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9th Jan '18 2:30:13 AM hatchworth
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* ''Theatre/StarlightExpress'': It is never mentioned where the railyard the musical takes place in is set, despite the fact that competitors from numerous different countries around the world take place in the championship races. It would make sense if it was set in the country of performance- England for the West End production, America for the Broadway production, Germany for the Bochum production, etc- but there are already national trains representing the wide majority of those countries (Prince of Wales, Greaseball and Ruhrgold being only three examples) implying that their country is not the host.
** To partially remedy this issue, many fans have settled on the idea that it is set in the (entirely fictional) Apollo-Victoria railyard, commonly referred to as 'the AV', which was named after the original West End theatre that Starlight Express took place in.

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* ''Theatre/StarlightExpress'': It is never mentioned where the railyard the musical takes place in is set, despite the fact that competitors from numerous different countries around the world take place in the championship races. It would make sense if it was set in the country of performance- England for the West End production, America for the Broadway production, Germany for the Bochum production, etc- but there are already national trains representing the wide majority of those countries (Prince of Wales, Greaseball and Ruhrgold being only countries, including the three examples) implying that their country is not the host.mentioned previously.
** To **To partially remedy this issue, many fans have settled on the idea that it is set in the (entirely fictional) Apollo-Victoria railyard, commonly referred to as 'the AV', which was named after the original West End theatre that Starlight Express took place in.
9th Jan '18 2:29:00 AM hatchworth
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* ''Theatre/StarlightExpress'': It is never mentioned where the railyard the musical takes place in is set, despite the fact that competitors from numerous different countries around the world take place in the championship races. To partially remedy this issue, many fans have settled on the idea that it is set in the (entirely fictional) Apollo-Victoria railyard, commonly referred to as 'the AV', which was named after the original West End theatre that Starlight Express took place in.

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* ''Theatre/StarlightExpress'': It is never mentioned where the railyard the musical takes place in is set, despite the fact that competitors from numerous different countries around the world take place in the championship races. To It would make sense if it was set in the country of performance- England for the West End production, America for the Broadway production, Germany for the Bochum production, etc- but there are already national trains representing the wide majority of those countries (Prince of Wales, Greaseball and Ruhrgold being only three examples) implying that their country is not the host.
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partially remedy this issue, many fans have settled on the idea that it is set in the (entirely fictional) Apollo-Victoria railyard, commonly referred to as 'the AV', which was named after the original West End theatre that Starlight Express took place in.
9th Jan '18 2:23:57 AM hatchworth
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* ''Theatre/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory'': The West End version does this. Despite specifying where Augustus, Veruca and Violet are from (Bavaria, England and California, respectively), Mike is said to come from "Suburbia".
** The Broadway adaptation fixes this problem, stating instead that Mike is from Idaho, though the onstage background during his introduction still suggests he lives in an EverytownAmerica.
*''Theatre/StarlightExpress'': It is never mentioned where the railyard the musical takes place in is set, despite the fact that competitors from numerous different countries around the world take place in the championship races. To partially remedy this issue, many fans have settled on the idea that it is set in the (entirely fictional) Apollo-Victoria railyard, commonly referred to as 'the AV', which was named after the original West End theatre that Starlight Express took place in.
26th Dec '17 10:34:16 AM Pichu-kun
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* In the ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' Christmas short ''Disney/OlafsFrozenAdventure'', one family has a family tradition of baking a cookie in the shape of Norway. Arendelle, however, was previously implied to be the FantasyCultureCounterpart to Norway. Anna also has lines implying that Arendelle is literally just that town surrounding the castle. The special makes it ambiguous whether Arendelle is a city-state or a country and if it is, just ''where'' does it take place (in Norway, nearby Norway, etc). To make it more confusing, the {{novelization}} has the family baking a cookie of Arendelle, implying that Norway doesn't exist.

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* In the ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' Christmas short ''Disney/OlafsFrozenAdventure'', one family has a family tradition of baking a cookie in the shape of Norway. Arendelle, however, was previously implied to be the FantasyCultureCounterpart FantasyCounterpartCulture to Norway. Anna also has lines implying that Arendelle is literally just that town surrounding the castle. The special makes it ambiguous whether Arendelle is a city-state or a country and if it is, just ''where'' does it take place (in Norway, nearby Norway, etc). To make it more confusing, the {{novelization}} has the family baking a cookie of Arendelle, implying that Norway doesn't exist.
26th Dec '17 10:22:56 AM Pichu-kun
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* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' is implied to take place sometime in the future and mentions the Far East, so the geography is assumed to be the same as ours. However, the Walls officially have a combined radius of about 480 km, or larger [[http://kaeru-ranawa.tumblr.com/post/61869765522/browningtons-fisherpon-the-walls-from-attack than most European countries or American states.]] Chapter 86 seems to suggest [[spoiler:that NeverWasThisUniverse was in play all along]].

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* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'':
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is implied to take place sometime in the future and mentions the Far East, so the geography is assumed to be the same as ours. However, the Walls officially have a combined radius of about 480 km, or larger [[http://kaeru-ranawa.tumblr.com/post/61869765522/browningtons-fisherpon-the-walls-from-attack than most European countries or American states.]] Chapter 86 seems to suggest [[spoiler:that NeverWasThisUniverse was in play all along]].



* Most of ''Anime/KikisDeliveryService'' takes place in a city that explicitly borrows architectural elements from such locations as Stockholm, Visby, Lisboa, Naples, and Paris. It is implied to be located in Northern Europe, and the inhabitants seem to be a mix of European and East Asian phenotypes with no hint of racial segregation or discrimination.
** WordOfGod holds that Kiriko is basicaly a "Stockholm-in-a-world-without-WWII" with some other influences thrown in. [[Creator/HayaoMiyazaki Miya]][[FanNickname -sensei]] says that most of it is based on his notes and sketches from the time he visited Creator/AstridLindgren to discuss possible adaptation of ''Literature/PippiLongstocking''. The talks fell through,[[note]]The first Lindgren work to be adapted by Creator/StudioGhibli is the ''Literature/RonjaTheRobbersDaughter'' filmed by his son Creator/GoroMiyazaki some thirty years later.[[/note]] but the materials he obtained on the trip went into the movie.

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* Most of ''Anime/KikisDeliveryService'' takes place in a city that explicitly borrows architectural elements from such locations as Stockholm, Visby, Lisboa, Naples, and Paris. It is implied to be located in Northern Europe, and the inhabitants seem to be a mix of European and East Asian phenotypes with no hint of racial segregation or discrimination.
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discrimination. WordOfGod holds that Kiriko is basicaly a "Stockholm-in-a-world-without-WWII" with some other influences thrown in. [[Creator/HayaoMiyazaki Miya]][[FanNickname -sensei]] says that most of it is based on his notes and sketches from the time he visited Creator/AstridLindgren to discuss possible adaptation of ''Literature/PippiLongstocking''. The talks fell through,[[note]]The first Lindgren work to be adapted by Creator/StudioGhibli is the ''Literature/RonjaTheRobbersDaughter'' filmed by his son Creator/GoroMiyazaki some thirty years later.[[/note]] but the materials he obtained on the trip went into the movie.


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* In the ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' Christmas short ''Disney/OlafsFrozenAdventure'', one family has a family tradition of baking a cookie in the shape of Norway. Arendelle, however, was previously implied to be the FantasyCultureCounterpart to Norway. Anna also has lines implying that Arendelle is literally just that town surrounding the castle. The special makes it ambiguous whether Arendelle is a city-state or a country and if it is, just ''where'' does it take place (in Norway, nearby Norway, etc). To make it more confusing, the {{novelization}} has the family baking a cookie of Arendelle, implying that Norway doesn't exist.
30th Nov '17 2:15:40 PM merotoker
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The trope is [[TropeNamer named after]] Springfield, the hometown of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', which even has its own JustForFun/SeparateSimpsonsGeographyThing. “Springfield” is one of the most common names for towns and cities in the United States, so the name serves as an indicator of an EverytownAmerica.

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The trope is [[TropeNamer [[TropeNamers named after]] Springfield, the hometown of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', which even has its own JustForFun/SeparateSimpsonsGeographyThing. “Springfield” is one of the most common names for towns and cities in the United States, so the name serves as an indicator of an EverytownAmerica.



** Maps shown in the series are of [[spoiler:an upside-down horizontally-flipped version of Madagascar, which is named Paradis.]] The enemy [[spoiler:Kingdom of Marley is somewhere in Europe, with depictions of ghettos similar to the ones Jewish people were forced into during WWII. They also just finished a war with a country that seems to be the universe's equivalent of Turkey]].

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** Maps shown in the series are of [[spoiler:an upside-down horizontally-flipped version of Madagascar, which is named Paradis.]] Paradis]]. The enemy [[spoiler:Kingdom of Marley is somewhere in Europe, with depictions of ghettos similar to the ones Jewish people were forced into during WWII. They also just finished a war with a country that seems to be the universe's equivalent of Turkey]].



* ComicStrip/DickTracy's adventures take place in an unnamed analogue of Chicago (based on the presence of Capone counterpart Big Boy). Interestingly, the 1990 Creator/WarrenBeatty film adaptation never revealed the city's name (the characters just called it “the city”), but many film critics automatically assumed it was Chicago.

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* ComicStrip/DickTracy's adventures take place in an unnamed analogue of Chicago (based on the presence of Capone counterpart Big Boy). Interestingly, the 1990 Creator/WarrenBeatty [[Film/DickTracy film adaptation adaptation]] never revealed the city's name (the characters just called it “the city”), but many film critics automatically assumed it was Chicago.



* Its very ambiguous where Amestris is in AlternateUniverseFic ''FanFic/ImGivingYouANightCall''. Countries like the U.S. and Japan exist separately, and Amestris is further implied to have been created post-WWII [[spoiler: based off [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist Edward the 1st's]] stories of the actual Amestris.]]

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* Its very ambiguous where Amestris is in AlternateUniverseFic ''FanFic/ImGivingYouANightCall''. Countries like the U.S. and Japan exist separately, and Amestris is further implied to have been created post-WWII [[spoiler: based off [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist Edward the 1st's]] stories of the actual Amestris.]]Amestris]].



* In the expanded ''{{Discworld}}'' of Creator/AAPessimal, Rimwards Howondaland is an {{Expy}} of UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica, but a version taken UpToEleven, based on scattered hints dropped in canon, and pushing what everybody ''thinks'' they know about [[TheApartheidEra South Africa]] and [[AmoralAfrikaner White South Africans]] all the way off the scale. [[note]]Well, Creator/TerryPratchett gave Australia this treatment...[[/note]]. The city of Piemberg was imported for this purpose from the black farces of Creator/TomSharpe and given a Discworld twist or two, largely as a rural backwater place for characters to come from. WordOfGod says that the author didn't properly do the research, so that in some tales Piemberg is in Natal, or a Natal-like place, and in some it's in the Transvaal, or a Transvaal-like place. The Drakensberg Mountains shift around a lot, too. Piemberg is best thought of as a shifting Brigadoon for all the South African clichés to find a home in. [[Film/{{Zulu}} Lawkes Drain]] is fairly nearby, for instance...

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* In the expanded ''{{Discworld}}'' of Creator/AAPessimal, Rimwards Howondaland is an {{Expy}} of UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica, but a version taken UpToEleven, based on scattered hints dropped in canon, and pushing what everybody ''thinks'' they know about [[TheApartheidEra [[UsefulNotes/TheApartheidEra South Africa]] and [[AmoralAfrikaner White South Africans]] all the way off the scale. [[note]]Well, Creator/TerryPratchett gave Australia this treatment...[[/note]]. The city of Piemberg was imported for this purpose from the black farces of Creator/TomSharpe and given a Discworld twist or two, largely as a rural backwater place for characters to come from. WordOfGod says that the author didn't properly do the research, so that in some tales Piemberg is in Natal, or a Natal-like place, and in some it's in the Transvaal, or a Transvaal-like place. The Drakensberg Mountains shift around a lot, too. Piemberg is best thought of as a shifting Brigadoon for all the South African clichés to find a home in. [[Film/{{Zulu}} Lawkes Drain]] is fairly nearby, for instance...



* ''WallaceAndGromit'' takes place in a generic [[OopNorth Northern English town]], though when Wallace gets post, the address can be briefly seen as “62 West Wallaby Street, Wigan.” Other hints also suggest a Lancashire setting; though ironically (given the counties' infamous rivalry) Peter Sallis' voice acting gives Wallace a Yorkshire accent.
* ''WesternAnimation/ChickenRun'' is set on a farm in [[OopNorth Northern England]], which could be pretty much anywhere. (Wiki/TheOtherWiki claims it's in Yorkshire.)
* Most Pixar movies are set in undetermined locations (the only big exceptions being ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', which are set in the Pacific, with the former going to Australia, and the latter to California; and ''Westernanimation/InsideOut'', which deals with a Minnesota girl moving to San Francisco):

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* ''WallaceAndGromit'' ''Franchise/WallaceAndGromit'' takes place in a generic [[OopNorth Northern English town]], though when Wallace gets post, the address can be briefly seen as “62 West Wallaby Street, Wigan.” Other hints also suggest a Lancashire setting; though ironically (given the counties' infamous rivalry) Peter Sallis' voice acting gives Wallace a Yorkshire accent.
* ''WesternAnimation/ChickenRun'' is set on a farm in [[OopNorth Northern England]], which could be pretty much anywhere. (Wiki/TheOtherWiki ([[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} The Other Wiki]] claims it's in Yorkshire.)
* Most Pixar Creator/{{Pixar}} movies are set in undetermined locations (the only big exceptions being ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'' and ''WesternAnimation/FindingDory'', which are set in the Pacific, with the former going to Australia, and the latter to California; and ''Westernanimation/InsideOut'', which deals with a Minnesota girl moving to San Francisco):



* The city of Springwood in ''Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet'' wanders all over the country as the series goes on. The first movie is set in an unnamed Los Angeles suburb, but as ContinuityCreep sets in with each sequel, the setting picks up the name Springwood and enough backstory to turn into a TownWithADarkSecret. The [[Film/FreddysDeadTheFinalNightmare sixth film's]] opening finally puts Springwood squarely on a U.S. map – in Ohio. ''Film/FreddyVsJason'' suggests that it’s near Camp Crystal Lake (which is in central New Jersey), but WordOfGod clarified that the movie just didn’t show how long it took Jason to get to Springwood.

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* The city of Springwood in ''Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet'' wanders all over the country as the series goes on. [[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet1984 The first movie movie]] is set in an unnamed Los Angeles suburb, but as ContinuityCreep sets in with each sequel, the setting picks up the name Springwood and enough backstory to turn into a TownWithADarkSecret. The [[Film/FreddysDeadTheFinalNightmare sixth film's]] opening finally puts Springwood squarely on a U.S. map – in Ohio. ''Film/FreddyVsJason'' suggests that it’s near Camp Crystal Lake (which is in central New Jersey), but WordOfGod clarified that the movie just didn’t show how long it took Jason to get to Springwood.



** ''Film/BatmanVsSuperman'' takes this a step further by placing Gotham quite literally across a bay from Metropolis (in the comics, they're a short drive away, but not ''that'' close). ''Film/SuicideSquad'' has papers saying Gotham is in [[{{Joisey}} New Jersey]], and WordOfGod says Metropolis is a federal district in Delaware.

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** ''Film/BatmanVsSuperman'' takes this a step further by placing Gotham quite literally across a bay from Metropolis (in the comics, they're a short drive away, but not ''that'' close). ''Film/SuicideSquad'' ''Film/{{Suicide Squad|2016}}'' has papers saying Gotham is in [[{{Joisey}} New Jersey]], and WordOfGod says Metropolis is a federal district in Delaware.



* ''Film/OfficeSpace'' had cars with generic “USA” license plates, but it's implied to be set near or around Dallas-Fort Worth: the boat Peter, Joanna and Lawrence fish in has a Texas registration number (with Texas state shape), the place where Lawrence mentions he's helping build a new [=McDonald=]'s is an actual Dallas suburb, Las Colinas (where many big companies have operations), the “channel 39” Joanna mentions at the restaurant is an actual Dallas station (for many years it aired lots of Westerns; now it's the Telemundo station); and the fact that both ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead'' and ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' are also made by Creator/MikeJudge and are both also set in Texas.
* The ''[[Film/TransformersFilmSeries Transformers]]'' film series is all over the place. Sam Witwicky lives in a place called Mission City, which in the first film was 22 miles from the Hoover Dam, putting it somewhere in Nevada or Arizona. Its final battle sequence, though, was very obviously [[CaliforniaDoubling filmed in downtown Los Angeles]] (with some bits in Detroit as well). Sam also goes to college somewhere far enough from Mission City that he has to fly there, although ExecutiveMeddling necessitated this one – since the second film also shows his mother’s [[WackyFratboyHijinks marijuana-fueled escapades around campus]], several colleges forbade Creator/MichaelBay from identifying the place.

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* ''Film/OfficeSpace'' had cars with generic “USA” license plates, but it's implied to be set near or around Dallas-Fort Worth: the boat Peter, Joanna and Lawrence fish in has a Texas registration number (with Texas state shape), the place where Lawrence mentions he's helping build a new [=McDonald=]'s is an actual Dallas suburb, Las Colinas (where many big companies have operations), the “channel 39” Joanna mentions at the restaurant is an actual Dallas station (for many years it aired lots of Westerns; now it's the Telemundo station); and the fact that both ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButthead'' ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButtHead'' and ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'' are also made by Creator/MikeJudge and are both also set in Texas.
* The ''[[Film/TransformersFilmSeries Transformers]]'' film series is all over the place. Sam Witwicky lives in a place called Mission City, which in the first film was 22 miles from the Hoover Dam, putting it somewhere in Nevada or Arizona. Its final battle sequence, though, was very obviously [[CaliforniaDoubling filmed in downtown Los Angeles]] (with some bits in Detroit as well). Sam also goes to college somewhere far enough from Mission City that he has to fly there, although ExecutiveMeddling necessitated this one – since the second film also shows his mother’s [[WackyFratboyHijinks [[WackyFratboyHijinx marijuana-fueled escapades around campus]], several colleges forbade Creator/MichaelBay from identifying the place.



* ''Film/CarryOnCowboy'' is set in a town called Stodge City somewhere in TheWildWest. They seem to get telegrams from UsefulNotes/WashingtonDC very quickly, but the LoveableRogue cowboy says that he's from UsefulNotes/{{Texas}} and he's been wandering the roads for ten days. Furthermore, although Stodge City is firmly in TheWildWest, Washington looks like it’s in TheSixties.

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* ''Film/CarryOnCowboy'' is set in a town called Stodge City somewhere in TheWildWest. They seem to get telegrams from UsefulNotes/WashingtonDC very quickly, but the LoveableRogue LovableRogue cowboy says that he's from UsefulNotes/{{Texas}} and he's been wandering the roads for ten days. Furthermore, although Stodge City is firmly in TheWildWest, Washington looks like it’s in TheSixties.



* ''Film/WonderWoman2017'' took Themiscyra, which in [[Comicbook/WonderWoman the comics]] is explicitly a Greek island, and put it in a vague Northern Sea location (as not only Steve crash lands there escaping from the [[Usefulnotes/WorldWarI Western Front]] and is followed by the German Navy, but he and Diana get to London from Themiscyra overnight).
* ''{{Casino}}'' is set in LasVegas, but the flashbacks of the main characters refer to their previous city as "back home" without specifying its name.

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* ''Film/WonderWoman2017'' took Themiscyra, which in [[Comicbook/WonderWoman [[Franchise/WonderWoman the comics]] is explicitly a Greek island, and put it in a vague Northern Sea location (as not only Steve crash lands there escaping from the [[Usefulnotes/WorldWarI Western Front]] and is followed by the German Navy, but he and Diana get to London from Themiscyra overnight).
* ''{{Casino}}'' ''Film/{{Casino}}'' is set in LasVegas, UsefulNotes/LasVegas, but the flashbacks of the main characters refer to their previous city as "back home" without specifying its name.



** Kermit's swamp is initially in an undisclosed location in ''Film/TheMuppetMovie'', is revealed to be in Florida during ''The Muppets at Walt Disney World'', and then ''Film/KermitsSwampYears'' puts it in Mississipi, not far from Creator/JimHenson's birthplace. That seems to have stuck, with Denise commenting that his state tree is magnolia in ''Series/TheMuppets'' episode "The Ex Factor".
** The locations of the Muppet Theatre in ''Series/TheMuppetShow'' and KMUP Studios in ''Series/MuppetsTonight'' are never revealed in the original series either, since what exists beyond the show isn't relevant. (The deliberately ConspicuousCGI of the [=MuppetVision=] studio in ''Series/TheJimHensonHour'' arguably isn't intended to ''have'' a realspace location.) ''Film/ItsAVeryMerryMuppetChristmasMovie'' establishes the Muppet Theatre is in a city with a park, a bank, and, for some reason, [[Film/TheGrinch Whos]], but doesn't name it (even the Official Historical Landmark certificate just says "the City"). ''Film/TheMuppets'' makes it part of Muppet Studios in Hollywood.

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** Kermit's swamp is swamp, initially in an undisclosed location in ''Film/TheMuppetMovie'', is revealed to be in Florida during ''The Muppets at Walt Disney World'', and then ''Film/KermitsSwampYears'' puts it in Mississipi, Mississippi, not far from Creator/JimHenson's birthplace. That seems to have stuck, with Denise commenting that his state tree is magnolia in ''Series/TheMuppets'' episode "The Ex Factor".
** The locations of the Muppet Theatre in ''Series/TheMuppetShow'' and KMUP Studios in ''Series/MuppetsTonight'' are never revealed in the original series either, since what exists beyond the show isn't relevant. (The deliberately ConspicuousCGI of the [=MuppetVision=] studio in ''Series/TheJimHensonHour'' arguably isn't intended to ''have'' a realspace location.) ''Film/ItsAVeryMerryMuppetChristmasMovie'' establishes the Muppet Theatre is in a city with a park, a bank, and, for some reason, [[Film/TheGrinch [[Film/HowTheGrinchStoleChristmas Whos]], but doesn't name it (even the Official Historical Landmark certificate just says "the City"). ''Film/TheMuppets'' makes it part of Muppet Studios in Hollywood.



* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'': WordOfGod as well as dialogue in [[PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Dual Destinies]] and [[PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice]] places the localized version in an alternative universe Los Angeles [[ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange where there's an abundance of Japanese culture in American.]] This earned it the FanNickname, “Japanifornia”, [[ApprovalOfGod which the head localizer has expressed she likes]]. The original is just set in an unnamed Japanese city.

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* ''Franchise/AceAttorney'': WordOfGod as well as dialogue in [[PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies ''[[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies Dual Destinies]] Destinies]]'' and [[PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice]] ''[[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneySpiritOfJustice Spirit of Justice]]'' places the localized version in an alternative universe Los Angeles [[ThinlyVeiledDubCountryChange where there's an abundance of Japanese culture in American.]] This earned it the FanNickname, “Japanifornia”, [[ApprovalOfGod which the head localizer has expressed she likes]]. The original is just set in an unnamed Japanese city.



* ''WebComic/ElGoonishShive''’s Moperville is in an undisclosed location somewhere in the US. At one point, in order to avoid revealing the location when Sarah is [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2003-08-22 trying to search obituary records]], the State abbreviation is replaced with asterisks. Fans have established that Moperville is most likely [[spoiler:based on Naperville, Illinois, at least according to [[http://elgoonishshive.wikia.com/wiki/Moperville the wiki]].]]

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* ''WebComic/ElGoonishShive''’s Moperville is in an undisclosed location somewhere in the US. At one point, in order to avoid revealing the location when Sarah is [[http://www.egscomics.com/?date=2003-08-22 trying to search obituary records]], the State abbreviation is replaced with asterisks. Fans have established that Moperville is most likely [[spoiler:based on Naperville, Illinois, at least according to [[http://elgoonishshive.wikia.com/wiki/Moperville the wiki]].]]wiki]]]].
7th Nov '17 1:16:02 AM Tyk5919
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* ''Literature/{{TOT}}'' mostly takes place in a subdivision called Green Water, and it's implied the characters live somewhere out in the country, given that the police force is small and consists of deputies. However, no ever says what county, city, or even what ''state'' the story is located in.

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* ''Literature/{{TOT}}'' mostly takes place in a subdivision called Green Water, and it's implied the characters live somewhere out in the country, given that the police force is small and consists of deputies. However, no one ever says what county, city, or even what ''state'' the story is located in.
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* ''Literature/{{TOT}}'' mostly takes place in a subdivision called Green Water, and it's implied the characters live somewhere out in the country, given that the police force is small and consists of deputies. However, no ever says what county, city, or even what ''state'' the story is located in.
1st Nov '17 3:45:35 AM AgProv
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* In the expanded ''{{Discworld}}'' of Creator/AAPessimal, Rimwards Howondaland is an {{Expy}} of UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica, but a version taken UpToEleven, based on scattered hints dropped in canon, and pushing what everybody ''thinks'' they know about [[TheApartheidEra South Africa]] and [[AmoralAfrikaner White South Africans]] all the way off the scale. [[note]]Well, Creator/TerryPratchett gave Australia this treatment...[[/note]]. The city of Piemberg was imported for this purpose from the black farces of Creator/TomSharpe and given a Discworld twist or two, largely as a rural backwater place for characters to come from. WordOfGod says that the author didn't properly do the research, so that in some tales Piemberg is in Natal, or a Natal-like place, and in some it's in the Transvaal, or a Transvaal-like place. The Drakensberg Mountains shift around a lot, too. Piemberg is best thought of as a shifting Brigadoon for all the South African clichés to find a home in. [[Film/{{Zulu}] Lawkes Drain]] is fairly nearby, for instance...

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* In the expanded ''{{Discworld}}'' of Creator/AAPessimal, Rimwards Howondaland is an {{Expy}} of UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica, but a version taken UpToEleven, based on scattered hints dropped in canon, and pushing what everybody ''thinks'' they know about [[TheApartheidEra South Africa]] and [[AmoralAfrikaner White South Africans]] all the way off the scale. [[note]]Well, Creator/TerryPratchett gave Australia this treatment...[[/note]]. The city of Piemberg was imported for this purpose from the black farces of Creator/TomSharpe and given a Discworld twist or two, largely as a rural backwater place for characters to come from. WordOfGod says that the author didn't properly do the research, so that in some tales Piemberg is in Natal, or a Natal-like place, and in some it's in the Transvaal, or a Transvaal-like place. The Drakensberg Mountains shift around a lot, too. Piemberg is best thought of as a shifting Brigadoon for all the South African clichés to find a home in. [[Film/{{Zulu}] [[Film/{{Zulu}} Lawkes Drain]] is fairly nearby, for instance...
1st Nov '17 3:45:12 AM AgProv
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* In the expanded ''{{Discworld}}'' of Creator/AAPessimal, Rimwards Howondaland is an {{Expy}} of UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica, but a version taken UpToEleven, based on scattered hints dropped in canon, and pushing what everybody ''thinks'' they know about [[TheApartheidEra South Africa]] and [[AmoralAfrikaner White South Africans]] all the way off the scale. [[note]]Well, Creator/TerryPratchett gave Australia this treatment...[[/note]]. The city of Piemberg was imported for this purpose from the black farces of Creator/TomSharpe and given a Discworld twist or two, largely as a rural backwater place for characters to come from. WordOfGod says that the author didn't properly do the research, so that in some tales Piemberg is in Natal, or a Natal-like place, and in some it's in the Transvaal, or a Transvaal-like place. The Drakensberg Mountains shift around a lot, too. Piemberg is best thought of as a shifting Brigadoon for all the South African clichés to find a home in.

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* In the expanded ''{{Discworld}}'' of Creator/AAPessimal, Rimwards Howondaland is an {{Expy}} of UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica, but a version taken UpToEleven, based on scattered hints dropped in canon, and pushing what everybody ''thinks'' they know about [[TheApartheidEra South Africa]] and [[AmoralAfrikaner White South Africans]] all the way off the scale. [[note]]Well, Creator/TerryPratchett gave Australia this treatment...[[/note]]. The city of Piemberg was imported for this purpose from the black farces of Creator/TomSharpe and given a Discworld twist or two, largely as a rural backwater place for characters to come from. WordOfGod says that the author didn't properly do the research, so that in some tales Piemberg is in Natal, or a Natal-like place, and in some it's in the Transvaal, or a Transvaal-like place. The Drakensberg Mountains shift around a lot, too. Piemberg is best thought of as a shifting Brigadoon for all the South African clichés to find a home in. [[Film/{{Zulu}] Lawkes Drain]] is fairly nearby, for instance...
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