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30th Apr '16 10:17:10 PM Steven
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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' has Minfilia, the leader of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn whose goal is to unite the city states of Eorzea against TheEmpire and finding a way to get rid of the primal and ascian threat for good. She also handles a lot of the political affairs between her group and the city states, which gives her a ton of responsibility and duties. Many fans declare her to be useless because she is "kidnapped" a lot and doesn't fight back, even though Minfilia is only captured twice and in both cases, she refused to give her captors what they were looking for and knew that she could be killed for resisting; her captors were a ruthless general and a PhysicalGod, both which clearly overpowered her and she would stand no chance against them in an actual fight. Most people give Minfilia grief because in comparison to the other Scion members that are more active in the field, she is seen as passive. [[spoiler: In patch 3.2, it's revealed that after disappearing, Minfilia performed a HeroicSacrifice by giving up her life force to Hydaelyn so that the goddess would have enough strength to tell the player character an important message. Most players saw the scene only as relief that a "useless" character was finally killed off.]]

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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' has Minfilia, the leader of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn whose goal is to unite the city states of Eorzea against TheEmpire and finding a way to get rid of the primal and ascian threat for good. She also handles a lot of the political affairs between her group and the city states, which gives her a ton of responsibility and duties. Many fans declare her to be useless because she is "kidnapped" "kidnapped a lot lot" and doesn't fight back, even though Minfilia is only captured twice and in both cases, she refused to give her captors what they were looking for and knew that she could be killed for resisting; her captors were a ruthless general and a PhysicalGod, both which clearly overpowered her and she would stand no chance against them in an actual fight. Most people give Minfilia grief because in comparison to the other Scion members that are more active in the field, she is seen as passive. [[spoiler: In patch 3.2, it's revealed that after disappearing, Minfilia performed a HeroicSacrifice by giving up her life force to Hydaelyn so that the goddess would have enough strength to tell the player character an important message. Most players saw the scene only as relief that a "useless" character was finally killed off.]]
30th Apr '16 10:15:32 PM Steven
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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' has Minfilia, the leader of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn whose goal is to unite the city states of Eorzea against TheEmpire and finding a way to get rid of the primal and ascian threat for good. She also handles a lot of the political affairs between her group and the city states, which gives her a ton of responsibility and duties. Many fans declare her to be useless because she is "kidnapped" a lot and doesn't fight back, even though Minfilia is only captured twice and in both cases, she refused to give her captors what they were looking for and knew that she could be killed for resisting; her captors were a ruthless general and a PhysicalGod, both which clearly overpowered her and she would stand no chance against them in an actual fight. Most people give Minfilia grief because in comparison to the other Scion members that are more active in the field, she is seen as passive. [[spoiler: In patch 3.2, it's revealed that after disappearing, Minfilia performed a HeroicSacrifice by giving up her life force to Hydaelyn so that the goddess would have enough strength to tell the player character an important message. Most players saw the scene only as relief that a "useless" character was finally killed off.]]
14th Apr '16 1:40:58 PM TheAnalyzerNinja
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'': Cower before the sheer hatred poor [[SubmissiveBadass Sumia]] gets for this. Never mind the fact that the single-handedly saved Chrom's life ''in her first battle'', that she once [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan hits him to get him out of his funk]] ''and'' that [[LadyOfWar she never backs off the battlefield]] [[ActionMom even if she's married with kids]], the FanDumb still considers her "weak" and [[RealWomenDontWearDresses "anti-feminist"]] for ''daring'' to [[ThroughHisStomach bake Chrom pies and do his laundry during their supports.]] Most of this hate comes from fans of other Chrom pairings who use this trope in an attempt to "justify" their DieForOurShip towards here. (Much like Ninian in FE 7) It helps this preception that two of Chrom's other potential love interests, Sully and the Female Avatar, are TheLadette and a BadassBookworm respectively (and Sully is [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff much more popular in America than in Japan]]); this made both poor girls (very powerful ''and'' likeable characters in their own rights, and good friends with Sumia to boot) the ''perfect'' vessels for the sexist fangirls who think "feminine bad, tomboyish good", [[{{hypocrite}} often while reducing Sully and Female Avatar's worth as women to either of them getting Chrom's cock for herself]].

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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'': Cower before the sheer hatred poor [[SubmissiveBadass Sumia]] gets for this. Never mind the fact that the she single-handedly saved Chrom's life ''in her first battle'', that she once [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan hits him to get him out of his funk]] ''and'' that [[LadyOfWar she never backs off the battlefield]] [[ActionMom even if she's married with kids]], the FanDumb still considers her "weak" and [[RealWomenDontWearDresses "anti-feminist"]] for ''daring'' to [[ThroughHisStomach bake Chrom pies and do his laundry during their supports.]] Most of this hate comes from fans of other Chrom pairings who use this trope in an attempt to "justify" their DieForOurShip towards here. (Much like Ninian in FE 7) It helps this preception that two of Chrom's other potential love interests, Sully and the Female Avatar, are TheLadette and a BadassBookworm respectively (and Sully is [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff much more popular in America than in Japan]]); this made both poor girls (very powerful ''and'' likeable characters in their own rights, and good friends with Sumia to boot) the ''perfect'' vessels for the sexist fangirls who think "feminine bad, tomboyish good", [[{{hypocrite}} often while reducing Sully and Female Avatar's worth as women to either of them getting Chrom's cock for herself]].
14th Apr '16 1:28:42 PM TheAnalyzerNinja
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* Stalin felt his way about his son. When said son tried [[BungledSuicide and failed]] to shoot himself, Stalin remarked that "he couldn't even shoot straight."

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* Stalin felt his this way about his son. When said son tried [[BungledSuicide and failed]] to shoot himself, Stalin remarked that "he couldn't even shoot straight."
29th Mar '16 9:57:07 PM GeorgeT-SLC
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Compare RealWomenDontWearDresses, ARealManIsAKiller. It may invoke Double Standards.

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Compare RealWomenDontWearDresses, ARealManIsAKiller. It may invoke Double Standards.
{{DoubleStandard}}s.
29th Jan '16 3:45:13 PM margdean56
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* Literature/VorkosiganSaga": In-universe near the end of ''Barrayar'', Cordelia is furious when she realizes that she's respected for ordering a man's head cut off, when other women who endured much more are dismissed.

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* Literature/VorkosiganSaga": Literature/VorkosiganSaga: In-universe near the end of ''Barrayar'', Cordelia is furious when she realizes that she's respected for ordering a man's head cut off, when other women who endured much more are dismissed.



* ''Literature/CircleOfMagic'': Sandry's the most feminine of all the main characters, with a very sweet personality and a love of fashion. Her magic over thread is an obvious case of HeartIsAnAwesomePower- she uses it to defeat whole troops of soldiers, hold a person's very life-force to their body, and ''joins the minds of the four main characters together'', just to start. Despite this, numerous fans express intense dislike of her compared to other characters, who are more masculine.

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* ''Literature/CircleOfMagic'': Sandry's the most feminine of all the main characters, with a very sweet personality and a love of fashion. Her magic over thread is an obvious case of HeartIsAnAwesomePower- she HeartIsAnAwesomePower--she uses it to defeat whole troops of soldiers, hold a person's very life-force to their body, and ''joins the minds of the four main characters together'', just to start. Despite this, numerous fans express intense dislike of her compared to other characters, who are more masculine.
29th Jan '16 3:43:12 PM margdean56
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* Nite Owl II of ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' definitely qualifies for this. Since he decided he wouldn't want to be involved in a futile battle of good against evil for the rest of his life and retired, he's clearly the "worst" of the main characters.

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* Nite Owl II of ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' definitely qualifies for this. Since he decided he wouldn't didn't want to be involved in a futile battle of good against evil for the rest of his life and retired, he's clearly the "worst" of the main characters.



*** Also, for the young teen male fan demographic Scott's powers don't look like ''fun''. Yes, they're potent, yes, they can be used to take down most targets...but the constant, unremitting ''self control'' they demand looks more like work than fun. Which it is, by any reasonable standard Scott's mutant ability is a curse, because he can't control it other than by use of his visor. Thus, even though Scott has, at times, displayed every single identifying mark of the Badass (he is, in fact, a major Badass), he's not the kind of badass a 13 year old boy wants to be.

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*** Also, for the young teen male fan demographic Scott's powers don't look like ''fun''. Yes, they're potent, yes, they can be used to take down most targets...but the constant, unremitting ''self control'' ''self-control'' they demand looks more like work than fun. Which it is, is; by any reasonable standard Scott's mutant ability is a curse, because he can't control it other than by use of his visor. Thus, even though Scott has, at times, displayed every single identifying mark of the Badass (he is, in fact, a major Badass), he's not the kind of badass a 13 year old boy wants to be.



* A BadassNormal hero will sometimes get heat for being 'normal' and not super powered. Yes, that includes Franchise/{{Batman}} (though obviously, this is so rare it's hardly worth mentioning). As there's many superheroes to which normal problems would be boringly easy, they need threats that would challenge them, but, this leaves the badass normals useless in these situations: If they're only human, than it would be ridiculous for them to deal with the same level of threats the other does regularly. In a shared universe, the normal guy will look pathetic in comparison: Superman can deal with planets colliding, while Batman can (just barely) deal with two trains colliding by himself. While they can be compensated in Team ups by the 'normal' guy doing something more flashy (such as performing some insanely cool looking martial arts moves to fight a group of enemies) while the super dos something more boring looking (like just a simple backhand to all three), usually, there will be a massive power slant, resulting in team ups being used to deal with middle ground threats at most while SupermanStaysOutOfGotham. Because of this, the BadassNormal will have a certain stigma to deal with: They'll have to really prove they're a tough badass, who can deal with the situation head on or else they'll be regarded as pathetic. For example:

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* A BadassNormal hero will sometimes get heat for being 'normal' and not super powered. Yes, that includes Franchise/{{Batman}} (though obviously, this is so rare it's hardly worth mentioning). As there's there are many superheroes to which whom normal problems would be boringly easy, they need threats that would will challenge them, but, but this leaves the badass normals useless in these situations: If they're only human, than it would be ridiculous for them to deal with the same level of threats the other does regularly. In a shared universe, the normal guy will look pathetic in comparison: Superman can deal with planets colliding, while Batman can (just barely) deal with two trains colliding by himself. While they can be compensated in Team ups team-ups by the 'normal' guy doing something more flashy (such as performing some insanely cool looking martial arts moves to fight a group of enemies) while the super dos does something more boring looking (like just a simple backhand to all three), usually, usually there will be a massive power slant, resulting in team ups team-ups being used to deal with middle ground threats at most while SupermanStaysOutOfGotham. Because of this, the BadassNormal will have a certain stigma to deal with: They'll have to really prove they're a tough badass, who can deal with the situation head on on, or else they'll be regarded as pathetic. For example:
26th Jan '16 9:54:46 PM Adept
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* Generally speaking, if you follow an anime series in which the heroine is bullied or abused (specially by her classmates or her family) and doesn't resort to beating them up as a result... please think twice before reading the comments and/or reading about it on blogs. Mikan from ''Manga/AliceAcademy'', Tohru from ''Manga/FruitsBasket'' and Nanako of ''OniisamaE'' are specially hated by viewers who blame ''them'' for the hardships they go through "because they're weak whores who don't fight back".

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* Generally speaking, if you follow an anime series in which the heroine is bullied or abused (specially by her classmates or her family) and doesn't resort to beating them up as a result... please think twice before reading the comments and/or reading about it on blogs. Mikan from ''Manga/AliceAcademy'', Tohru from ''Manga/FruitsBasket'' and Nanako of ''OniisamaE'' ''Manga/OniisamaE'' are specially hated by viewers who blame ''them'' for the hardships they go through "because they're weak whores who don't fight back".
26th Jan '16 7:55:58 AM Ramona122003
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* ''Anime/DragonballZ'': Almost every non-Saiyan fighter is hit with this to some extent, but Krillin and Yamcha (the latter especially) get some of the worst criticism. Both guys are ''very'' strong by human terms but are called "weak" by a good chunk of the fanbase because they're not as strong as the Saiyans. They also get criticized for dying a lot despite being far from the only characters that died more than once.

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* ''Anime/DragonballZ'': ''Anime/DragonballZ'':
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Almost every non-Saiyan fighter is hit with this to some extent, but Krillin and Yamcha (the latter especially) get some of the worst criticism. Both guys are ''very'' strong by human terms but are called "weak" by a good chunk of the fanbase because they're not as strong as the Saiyans. They also get criticized for dying a lot despite being far from the only characters that died more than once.once.
** The more zealous Gohan's fans have been given the character a hard time since he no longer trains and wants to live a normal life. Because of that he experience BadassDecay and isn't the strongest unfused character anymore, which is apparently all Gohan is worth to these fans since he's now a wasted and terrible character. This is ignoring that Gohan has said since the Cell Games that he didn't like fighting, and he now has a wife and child to take care of. He is also still one of the strongest characters in the series, but 'he's not the strongest anymore, so he's terrible'.
26th Dec '15 9:39:18 PM nombretomado
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* The Bat Family, Batman's partners, Robins, sidekicks, and mentees are all hit with this trope. While Batman has the same stigma, he's still seen as an incredible badass. So, his sidekicks, who unfortunately are limited in how many levels they can rise to or risk overshadowing him, tend to appear this (Dick Grayson was the poster child of DistressedDude during {{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}}). With exception of Cassandra Cain, they're occasionally hit with this by someone, the worst being Stephanie Brown. While each member has at least one skill they excel at (Dick's leadership and acrobatics, Tim's detective skills, Babs' intelligence, Jason's homicidal violence, etc) Steph is a realistic portrayal of a Badass Normal: She's got an average intellect and reasonable training and skills in fighting and athletics, she lacks PhotographicMemory and TrainingFromHell the others possess. So, while she is as badass, if not more so, than many real life people or action heroes, she's limited in what she could reasonably achieve. To this day there's many a HateDumb that will decry her as 'weak', 'pathetic', 'stupid', and call her 'incompetent' for not having {{Charles Atlas Superpower}}s and being ThePollyanna.

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* The Bat Family, Batman's partners, Robins, sidekicks, and mentees are all hit with this trope. While Batman has the same stigma, he's still seen as an incredible badass. So, his sidekicks, who unfortunately are limited in how many levels they can rise to or risk overshadowing him, tend to appear this (Dick Grayson was the poster child of DistressedDude during {{the UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}}). With exception of Cassandra Cain, they're occasionally hit with this by someone, the worst being Stephanie Brown. While each member has at least one skill they excel at (Dick's leadership and acrobatics, Tim's detective skills, Babs' intelligence, Jason's homicidal violence, etc) Steph is a realistic portrayal of a Badass Normal: She's got an average intellect and reasonable training and skills in fighting and athletics, she lacks PhotographicMemory and TrainingFromHell the others possess. So, while she is as badass, if not more so, than many real life people or action heroes, she's limited in what she could reasonably achieve. To this day there's many a HateDumb that will decry her as 'weak', 'pathetic', 'stupid', and call her 'incompetent' for not having {{Charles Atlas Superpower}}s and being ThePollyanna.



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