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15th Oct '17 7:12:18 PM Togie
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* ''VideoGame/FireEmblemElibe''

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** ActionGirl and {{Proud Warrior Race G|uy}}irl Lyndis aka Lyn is used as the yardstick by which a lot of FE females are measured. I.e., lead female Eirika from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones'' is often compared unfavorably to Lyn (being called "a step backward" in feminism due to being girlier), and "weaker" females like Ninian, Florina or Nino are hotly bashed for "not being strong women" like Lyn is.

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** ActionGirl and {{Proud Warrior Race G|uy}}irl Lyndis aka Lyn is used as the yardstick by which a lot of FE females are measured. I.e., lead female Eirika from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones'' is often compared unfavorably to Lyn (being called "a step backward" in feminism due to being girlier), and Generally speaking, "weaker" females like Ninian, Florina or Nino are often hotly bashed for "not being strong women" like Lyn is.is. And Naga help you if you’re a female, non-Avatar lord...
12th Aug '17 2:15:46 PM Wyldchyld
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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'':
** Orihime is TheMedic, a BarrierWarrior and a true pacifist in a battle manga. In universe and out she is regarded as unsuited for battle. When her TraumaCongaLine was taken to its natural HeroicBSOD climax, she was castigated as irredeemable by a portion of the fanbase for not breaking out of character to fight back against villains even the combat characters were being thrashed by, despite her never once giving up trying to heal and shield those fighters. Conversely, combat characters who have suffered a HeroicBSOD and actually given up entirely (including the main character) receive sympathy, excuses and forgiveness from the fanbase who consider it to be character development. Eventually, WordOfGod himself stepped in to point out that Orihime's experience is quite a natural human reaction to the level of abuse and stress she had suffered. It didn't stop the double-standard.
** Rukia, like Hungary above and Lyndis, is frequently used as the yardstick to measure the "strength" of Bleach women, who often end up compared unfavourably to her, ''especially'' Orihime.

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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'':
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''Manga/{{Bleach}}'': Most characters in the story that have suffered from [[HeroicBSOD break-downs and moments of giving up entirely]] tend to receive sympathy, justifications and forgiveness by the majority of the fandom, who regard it as good character development in a story about constantly warring spiritual factions. Orihime is TheMedic, a BarrierWarrior and a true pacifist in a battle manga. In universe [[TheMedic pacifistic healer]] with [[BarrierWarrior shielding powers]], who is singled out both in-universe and out she is regarded as being unsuited for battle. When her TraumaCongaLine was taken battle, leading to its a kidnapping that split the fandom due to abuse of different kinds being [[TraumaCongaLine heaped upon her]] without respite until it reaches [[HeroicBSOD breaking point]]. Part of the fandom believed this to be the natural HeroicBSOD climax, she was castigated as outcome of her type of powers and personality, given that even talented fighters were struggling to succeed. Part of the fandom believed this made her irredeemable by a portion of the fanbase for not breaking out of transforming into a warrior character to fight back against villains even in a successful way. The debate became high profile enough to reach the combat characters were being thrashed by, despite her never once giving up trying to heal and shield those fighters. Conversely, combat characters who have suffered a HeroicBSOD and actually given up entirely (including the main character) receive sympathy, excuses and forgiveness from the fanbase who consider it to be character development. Eventually, WordOfGod himself [[Creator/TiteKubo creator's]] ears, whereupon he [[WordOfGod stepped in in]] to point out explain that Orihime's experience is quite a natural human reaction to the level of abuse and stress she had suffered. It didn't stop The fandom uses the double-standard.
** Rukia, like Hungary above and Lyndis, is frequently used as
author's statement on both sides of the yardstick to measure the "strength" of Bleach women, who often end up compared unfavourably to her, ''especially'' Orihime.debate.
28th Jul '17 12:10:41 PM Prometheus117
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** Also, Sakura in the VN. She is a DamselInDistress who receives [[FlatCharacter very little characterization outside of her route]] unlike the other main characters, and in her route she doesn't kick ass [[spoiler:at least not when she's being the ApocalypseMaiden trying to destroy the world]] like Saber or Rin, but that doesn't mean it's her fault that she's horrifyingly abused by the Matou family, [[spoiler: as well as raped constantly by her stepbrother Shinji]]. And yet fans continue to bash her, with some of them implying it's her own fault that she's an abuse [[spoiler: and rape]] victim!

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** Also, Sakura in the VN. She is a DamselInDistress who receives [[FlatCharacter very little characterization outside of her route]] unlike the other main characters, and in her route she doesn't kick ass [[spoiler:at least not when she's not being the ApocalypseMaiden trying to destroy the world]] world and causing the suffering of the main cast, including [[PlayerPunch corrupting Saber into a villain and forcing Shirou to kill her]],]] like Saber or Rin, but that doesn't mean it's her fault that she's horrifyingly abused by the Matou family, [[spoiler: as well as raped constantly by her stepbrother Shinji]]. And yet fans continue to bash her, with some of them implying it's her own fault that she's an abuse [[spoiler: and rape]] victim!
5th Jul '17 2:27:08 PM Scabbard
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** Fandom only started to lighten up in the Asami hate when she showed herself as an ActionGirl BadassNormal. And yet the moment she showed ''human'' reactions to the LoveTriangle business, some people were and still are quick to accuse her of being "nothing but Mako's ClingyJealousGirl" (Despite how she mostly ''{{defie|dTrope}}s'' the CJG trope.)

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** Fandom only started to lighten up in the Asami hate when she showed herself as an ActionGirl BadassNormal. And yet the moment she showed ''human'' reactions to the LoveTriangle business, some people were and still are quick to accuse her of being "nothing but Mako's ClingyJealousGirl" (Despite (despite how she mostly ''{{defie|dTrope}}s'' the CJG trope.)
5th Jul '17 2:27:08 PM Scabbard
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5th Jul '17 2:24:47 PM Scabbard
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* Yukiteru from ''Manga/FutureDiary'', in that, much like [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji]], he is a young boy who was forced into a world of violence. For much of the run he is mostly intent to stay out of the survival game, sometimes protecting as best he can those he cares about (including enemies) and only killing when out of options, with utter revulsion. Importantly, he needs the guidance of Yuno and others to take effective action. Then after 20-30 chapters/18 episodes he [[BreakTheCutie gets broken]] and [[TookALevelInBadass takes a Level in Badass]].

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* Yukiteru from ''Manga/FutureDiary'', in that, much like [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji]], he is a young boy who was forced into a world of violence. For much of the run he is mostly intent to stay focuses on staying out of the survival game, sometimes protecting as best he can those he cares about (including enemies) and only killing when out of options, with utter revulsion. Importantly, he needs the guidance of Yuno and others to take effective action. Then after 20-30 chapters/18 episodes he [[BreakTheCutie gets broken]] and [[TookALevelInBadass takes a Level in Badass]].
27th Jun '17 3:31:51 PM Gamermaster
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* A complaint regarding a number of DemotedToExtra characters from ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha''. Prime example is Yuuno Scrya, but many would also level the complaint regarding Chrono Harlaown, who has shown himself to be genuinely Badass on occasion. Some people would even say this about Nanoha herself, because she seems to be nonlethal no matter how much property damage she ends up inflicting, up to and including blowing through a large portion of a warship from inside. It's actually supposed to be a sign of Nanoha's power that she has enough self-control to only inflict nonlethal but very, very painful magical damage.

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* A complaint regarding a number of DemotedToExtra characters from ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha''.''Franchise/LyricalNanoha''. Prime example is Yuuno Scrya, but many would also level the complaint regarding Chrono Harlaown, who has shown himself to be genuinely Badass on occasion. Some people would even say this about Nanoha herself, because she seems to be nonlethal no matter how much property damage she ends up inflicting, up to and including blowing through a large portion of a warship from inside. It's actually supposed to be a sign of Nanoha's power that she has enough self-control to only inflict nonlethal but very, very painful magical damage.
1st Jun '17 9:32:03 AM trulymadmoves
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* Keyleth on ''WebVideo/CriticalRole'', to the point that Marisha Ray, who plays her, has to deal with incessant bullying from certain corners of the fanbase. Though Keyleth's magic makes her the most powerful member of the group, and thus a BadassOnPaper, Marisha plays her as insecure, doubtful, and socially awkward, so these fans consider her weak in comparison to the stone-cold badasses that allegedly make up the rest of the party--never mind that the other characters are just as insecure, doubtful, and socially awkward, they just deal with it in a brooding, angsty, badassful way.
29th May '17 8:37:10 PM PrincessGwen
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** Like the aforementioned Ninian, the (often-female) dancers in general were treated like this. No combat skills and only one utility, and often dies in battle, regardless of stats, if an enemy as so much ''looks'' at her. Though later games correct this by making them more useful in direct combat, most notably [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Olivia]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Azura]]. When Ninian appears in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes'', she got retooled into a Manakate unit and true to the trope's spirit, she's only receiving praise whenever she could breath an enemy to death.

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** Like the aforementioned Ninian, the (often-female) dancers in general were treated like this. No combat skills and only one utility, and often dies in battle, regardless of stats, if an enemy as so much ''looks'' at her. Though later games correct this by making them more useful in direct combat, most notably [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Olivia]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Azura]]. When Ninian appears in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes'', she got retooled into a Manakate unit and true to the trope's spirit, she's only receiving praise whenever she could breath breathe an enemy to death.
16th Apr '17 9:42:56 PM ChrisX
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** Like the aforementioned Ninian, the (often-female) dancers in general were treated like this. No combat skills and only one utility, and often dies in battle, regardless of stats, if an enemy as so much ''looks'' at her. Though later games correct this by making them more useful in direct combat, most notably [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Olivia]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Azura]].

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** Like the aforementioned Ninian, the (often-female) dancers in general were treated like this. No combat skills and only one utility, and often dies in battle, regardless of stats, if an enemy as so much ''looks'' at her. Though later games correct this by making them more useful in direct combat, most notably [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Olivia]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Azura]]. When Ninian appears in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes'', she got retooled into a Manakate unit and true to the trope's spirit, she's only receiving praise whenever she could breath an enemy to death.
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