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2nd Dec '16 1:48:11 PM Morgenthaler
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You may have noticed that only cute, cuddly, and cool animals are good guys while unpopular or unattractive animals are brought in to be the {{Designated Villain}}s. This usually plays into the "Carnivores are Mean" subtrope of CarnivoreConfusion. [[SavageWolves Wolves]] were cast as baddies for centuries. Owls and hawks and [[CreepyCrows corvids]] basically exist to [[GiantFlyer drop down on our cuter protagonists from above]]. Wasps and termites are mini villains- and basically evil twins of bees and ants. [[YouDirtyRat Rats]] and [[WickedWeasel weasels]] are the go-to pocket-sized villains. Friendly sharks pretty much exist ''only'' as a {{subver|tedTrope}}sion. Don't even ask about [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent snakes]]. The heroes, on the other hand, will be cute or cool animals like doggies and [[CuteKitten kitties]] and bunnies and duckies and {{turtle|Power}}s and froggies and ladybugs and bees and ants and [[EverythingsBetterWithMonkeys monkeys]] and {{friendly playful dolphin}}s and Reticulated Chipmunks and blah. Wolves and [[CunningLikeAFox Foxes]], and [[KingOfBeasts Lions]] and other big cats can be heroes as well because their babies are cute and thus remind people of puppies and kittens, and the adults look BadAss. All butterflies are marked "Cute", even those you won't like to see in your garden. [[GiantSpider Spiders]] and [[BatOutOfHell bats]] are marked "Mean" even though they usually don't bother humans at all and even devour lots of annoying and dangerous insects. And if you'll encounter an Antlion in the role of horrible predator, its ''adult'' form is ''not'' likely to appear in next scenes (it looks like a cute, pretty dragonfly). For any animals not in this short list, it's usually divided into:

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You may have noticed that only cute, cuddly, and cool animals are good guys while unpopular or unattractive animals are brought in to be the {{Designated Villain}}s. This usually plays into the "Carnivores are Mean" subtrope of CarnivoreConfusion. [[SavageWolves Wolves]] were cast as baddies for centuries. Owls and hawks and [[CreepyCrows corvids]] basically exist to [[GiantFlyer drop down on our cuter protagonists from above]]. Wasps and termites are mini villains- and basically evil twins of bees and ants. [[YouDirtyRat Rats]] and [[WickedWeasel weasels]] are the go-to pocket-sized villains. Friendly sharks pretty much exist ''only'' as a {{subver|tedTrope}}sion. Don't even ask about [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent snakes]]. The heroes, on the other hand, will be cute or cool animals like doggies and [[CuteKitten kitties]] and bunnies and duckies and {{turtle|Power}}s and froggies and ladybugs and bees and ants and [[EverythingsBetterWithMonkeys monkeys]] and {{friendly playful dolphin}}s and Reticulated Chipmunks and blah. Wolves and [[CunningLikeAFox Foxes]], and [[KingOfBeasts Lions]] and other big cats can be heroes as well because their babies are cute and thus remind people of puppies and kittens, and the adults look BadAss.badass. All butterflies are marked "Cute", even those you won't like to see in your garden. [[GiantSpider Spiders]] and [[BatOutOfHell bats]] are marked "Mean" even though they usually don't bother humans at all and even devour lots of annoying and dangerous insects. And if you'll encounter an Antlion in the role of horrible predator, its ''adult'' form is ''not'' likely to appear in next scenes (it looks like a cute, pretty dragonfly). For any animals not in this short list, it's usually divided into:



* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'': The anime more or less follows through with the games' philosophy...until you go back to the first season or so and notice that Ash had cute little Pikachu, Butterfree, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, and Charmander - and that the Team Rocket trio had a floating naval mine gas cloud, and a giant purple rattlesnake. Later on though, Ash got a Muk ([[MuckMonster essentially a live pile of sludge]]) and Charmander gradually changed into the big, scary -- but BadAss -- Charizard. Additionally, Team Rocket started a sort of running gag where they acquire increasingly cute Pokémon in the newer seasons. It's also revealed that Ekans and Koffing aren't really evil (although it's stated that ''no'' Pokémon are evil). In "Island of the Giant Pokémon" they are revealed to be {{Punch Clock Villain}}s and bear no anger or malice towards Pikachu. The first Pokémon Ash captures is a Caterpie. It does evolve soon, but in the meantime Misty gets to scream about it because she's afraid of bugs and thinks it's gross. Also, Ash later gets an adorable Gligar which evolves into Gliscor -- which is a huge, demonic-looking, flying scorpion thing with fangs and batlike ears. It's affectionate and a little slow in the head. But then there's also the uncomfortable realization that Ash's team hardly ever get to evolve. Unless their adult form looks cool.

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* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'': The anime more or less follows through with the games' philosophy...until you go back to the first season or so and notice that Ash had cute little Pikachu, Butterfree, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, and Charmander - and that the Team Rocket trio had a floating naval mine gas cloud, and a giant purple rattlesnake. Later on though, Ash got a Muk ([[MuckMonster essentially a live pile of sludge]]) and Charmander gradually changed into the big, scary -- but BadAss badass -- Charizard. Additionally, Team Rocket started a sort of running gag where they acquire increasingly cute Pokémon in the newer seasons. It's also revealed that Ekans and Koffing aren't really evil (although it's stated that ''no'' Pokémon are evil). In "Island of the Giant Pokémon" they are revealed to be {{Punch Clock Villain}}s and bear no anger or malice towards Pikachu. The first Pokémon Ash captures is a Caterpie. It does evolve soon, but in the meantime Misty gets to scream about it because she's afraid of bugs and thinks it's gross. Also, Ash later gets an adorable Gligar which evolves into Gliscor -- which is a huge, demonic-looking, flying scorpion thing with fangs and batlike ears. It's affectionate and a little slow in the head. But then there's also the uncomfortable realization that Ash's team hardly ever get to evolve. Unless their adult form looks cool.
1st Dec '16 5:06:04 AM Morgenthaler
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** The Star Wolf team plays this straight with the exception of Andrew. A cruel Wolf, deranged chameleon, and a greedy traitorous pig. Pigma and Andrew broke off by the time Assault rolled around, both of which were replaced by Panther Caroso. And Star Wolf now is more of a {{Badass}} trio and has shown respect towards Star Fox and helps them when needed.

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** The Star Wolf team plays this straight with the exception of Andrew. A cruel Wolf, deranged chameleon, and a greedy traitorous pig. Pigma and Andrew broke off by the time Assault rolled around, both of which were replaced by Panther Caroso. And Star Wolf now is more of a {{Badass}} badass trio and has shown respect towards Star Fox and helps them when needed.
23rd Nov '16 7:48:41 PM ElSquibbonator
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Another factor may be the animal's size and/or place in human society. For example, both Mice and Rats can be cute, but they can get a bad rap because they're commonly household pests. Even then, the tiny Mice are likely [[NiceMice to be portrayed more positively]] [[YouDirtyRat than the larger Rats]]. Consequently; if a Cat is chasing Mice, the Cat is often portrayed as the villain, but a Cat chasing ''rats'' is usually the hero.

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Another factor may be the animal's size and/or place in human society. For example, both Mice and Rats can be cute, but they can get a bad rap because they're commonly household pests. Even then, the tiny Mice are likely [[NiceMice to be portrayed more positively]] [[YouDirtyRat than the larger Rats]]. Consequently; if a Cat cat is chasing Mice, a mouse, the Cat cat is often portrayed as the villain, but a Cat cat chasing ''rats'' a ''rat'' is usually the hero.
19th Nov '16 12:22:50 AM BURGINABC
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* Another obscure animated feature that gets {{Anvilicious}} about this is ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfTheAmericanRabbit''. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Predictably]], the hero and most of his buddies are cute rabbits. Other good guys include cuddly little bear cubs, pudgy little farm animals like sheep and piggies, big snuggly [[BoisterousBruiser Toblerone]]-ish moose and gorillas, and {{Squee}}-worthy ducklings and [[EverythingsBetterWithPenguins penguins]]. The bad guys are a [[AllBikersAreHellsAngels biker gang]] [[CarnivoreConfusion made up of jackals]] and they are led by a [[GiantFlyer big, scary condor]]. The uncomfortable part comes when the eponymous hero ''insists'' that "there are sure to be nice jackals out there", which seems to be an anti-stereotyping [[AnAesop aesop]]. Too bad it's {{Broken|Aesop}} -- we never ever '''meet''' any nice jackals. Every single jackal that we see movie is part of the biker gang.

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* Another obscure animated feature that gets {{Anvilicious}} about this is ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfTheAmericanRabbit''. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Predictably]], the hero and most of his buddies are cute rabbits. Other good guys include cuddly little bear cubs, pudgy little farm animals like sheep and piggies, big snuggly [[BoisterousBruiser Toblerone]]-ish moose and gorillas, and {{Squee}}-worthy ducklings and [[EverythingsBetterWithPenguins penguins]]. The bad guys are a [[AllBikersAreHellsAngels biker gang]] [[CarnivoreConfusion made up of jackals]] and they are led by a [[GiantFlyer big, scary condor]]. The uncomfortable part comes when the eponymous hero ''insists'' that "there are sure to be nice jackals out there", which seems to be an anti-stereotyping [[AnAesop aesop]]. Too bad it's {{Broken|Aesop}} -- we never ever '''meet''' any nice jackals. Every single jackal that we see in the movie is part of the biker gang.
18th Nov '16 11:16:13 AM erforce
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** The original 1954 film ''Film/{{Gojira}}'' also manages to subvert this. Godzilla appears terrifying and spends the film destroying Tokyo and killing thousands (if not millions) of people. However, he's also portrayed as a NonMaliciousMonster and TragicVillain who is shown to be just as much a victim of the atomic bomb as the Japanese were.

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** The original 1954 film ''Film/{{Gojira}}'' ''[[Film/Godzilla1954 Gojira]]'' also manages to subvert this. Godzilla appears terrifying and spends the film destroying Tokyo and killing thousands (if not millions) of people. However, he's also portrayed as a NonMaliciousMonster and TragicVillain who is shown to be just as much a victim of the atomic bomb as the Japanese were.
12th Nov '16 9:10:28 PM ElSquibbonator
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* Another obscure animated feature that gets {{Anvilicious}} about this is ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfTheAmericanRabbit''. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Predictably]], the hero and most of his buddies are cute rabbits. Other good guys include cuddly little bear cubs, pudgy little farm animals like sheep and piggies, big snuggly [[BoisterousBruiser Toblerone]]-ish moose and gorillas, and {{Squee}}-worthy ducklings and [[EverythingsBetterWithPenguins penguins]]. The bad guys are a [[AllBikersAreHellsAngels biker gang]] [[CarnivoreConfusion made up of jackals]] and they are led by a [[GiantFlyer big, scary condor]]. The uncomfortable part comes when the eponymous hero ''insists'' that "there are sure to be nice jackals out there", which seems to be an anti-stereotyping [[AnAesop aesop]]. Too bad it's {{Broken|Aesop}} -- we never ever '''meet''' any nice jackals. Every single jackal in the world of the movie is part of the biker gang.

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* Another obscure animated feature that gets {{Anvilicious}} about this is ''WesternAnimation/TheAdventuresOfTheAmericanRabbit''. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Predictably]], the hero and most of his buddies are cute rabbits. Other good guys include cuddly little bear cubs, pudgy little farm animals like sheep and piggies, big snuggly [[BoisterousBruiser Toblerone]]-ish moose and gorillas, and {{Squee}}-worthy ducklings and [[EverythingsBetterWithPenguins penguins]]. The bad guys are a [[AllBikersAreHellsAngels biker gang]] [[CarnivoreConfusion made up of jackals]] and they are led by a [[GiantFlyer big, scary condor]]. The uncomfortable part comes when the eponymous hero ''insists'' that "there are sure to be nice jackals out there", which seems to be an anti-stereotyping [[AnAesop aesop]]. Too bad it's {{Broken|Aesop}} -- we never ever '''meet''' any nice jackals. Every single jackal in the world of the that we see movie is part of the biker gang.
12th Nov '16 9:06:29 PM ElSquibbonator
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** Jumping spiders are far more likely than any other arthropod to evoke someones sympathies, because they are fuzzy and have giant eyes.

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** Jumping spiders are far more likely than any other arthropod An exception is starting to evoke someones sympathies, be made for jumping spiders, which do appear conventionally "cute" because they are fuzzy and have giant eyes.
25th Oct '16 4:22:03 AM Zaiaku666
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* Manga/DailyLifeWithMonsterGirl has a few chapters that deal with this, especially in the case of Rachnera, who was treated with false niceties due to her drider-esque appearance and very few locations cater to non-humanoid liminals though the latter is treated as government oversight.
6th Oct '16 1:24:06 AM BURGINABC
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The UncannyValley is somewhat related, as it was born from the scientific study of this trope. It often cross-pollinates with BeautyEqualsGoodness, AnimalStereotypes, CarnivoreConfusion, and WhatMeasureIsANonHuman. See also UglyCute, BatOutOfHell, BugWar, OminousOwl, ReptilesAreAbhorrent, YouDirtyRat, and AlwaysChaoticEvil. Contrast DarkIsNotEvil, LightIsNotGood, TastesLikeDiabetes, and GrotesqueCute. This trope also applies to humans and is often the deciding factor of who gets to be the FaceOfTheBand. This trope is pervasive enough that the KillerRabbit and some of the [[CatsAreMean Bad Kitties]] exist to subvert it. Time period and location seem to affect public opinion of mustelids, as shown by the contrasting tropes WeaselMascot and WickedWeasel.

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The UncannyValley is somewhat related, as it was born from the scientific study of this trope. It is a supertrope of NoCartoonFish. It often cross-pollinates with BeautyEqualsGoodness, AnimalStereotypes, CarnivoreConfusion, and WhatMeasureIsANonHuman. See also UglyCute, BatOutOfHell, BugWar, OminousOwl, ReptilesAreAbhorrent, YouDirtyRat, and AlwaysChaoticEvil. Contrast DarkIsNotEvil, LightIsNotGood, TastesLikeDiabetes, and GrotesqueCute. This trope also applies to humans and is often the deciding factor of who gets to be the FaceOfTheBand. This trope is pervasive enough that the KillerRabbit and some of the [[CatsAreMean Bad Kitties]] exist to subvert it. Time period and location seem to affect public opinion of mustelids, as shown by the contrasting tropes WeaselMascot and WickedWeasel.
3rd Oct '16 7:16:07 AM Troperinik
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Kaeloo}}'': Kaeloo's main BerserkButton is somebody stepping on a flower, even by accident, but the episode ''Let's Play Game Over'' shows that she has no problem stomping on a flower herself, '''on purpose,''' if it isn't cute.
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