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29th May '16 6:54:14 AM rjd1922
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Compare RealWomenDontWearDresses, ARealManIsAKiller. It may invoke {{DoubleStandard}}s.

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11th May '16 4:12:50 PM trixus
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* Germany after World War I was especially bitter that their leader surrendered was done when none of their ground was lost and had to give up because of an economic asphyxiation which is kind of a Fabian strategy. The Nazis even used the November Criminals approach to have the veteran sides with them against the cowards who stabbed them in the back by not contributing to the war effort nevermind that it was clear the war was lost.

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* Germany after World War I was especially bitter that their leader surrendered their surrender was done when none of their ground was lost and had to give up because of an economic asphyxiation which is kind of a Fabian strategy. The Nazis even used the November Criminals approach to have the veteran sides with them against the cowards who stabbed them in the back by not contributing to the war effort nevermind despite that it was clear the war was lost.
10th May '16 11:19:28 PM trixus
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* Germany after World War I was especially bitter that their leader surrendered was done when none of their ground was lost and had to give up because of an economic asphyxiation which is kind of a Fabian strategy. The Nazis even used the November Criminals approach to have the veteran sides with them against the cowards who stabbed them in the back by not contributing to the war effort nevermind that it was clear the war was lost.
30th Apr '16 10:17:10 PM Steven
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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' has Minfilia, the leader of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn whose goal is to unite the city states of Eorzea against TheEmpire and finding a way to get rid of the primal and ascian threat for good. She also handles a lot of the political affairs between her group and the city states, which gives her a ton of responsibility and duties. Many fans declare her to be useless because she is "kidnapped" a lot and doesn't fight back, even though Minfilia is only captured twice and in both cases, she refused to give her captors what they were looking for and knew that she could be killed for resisting; her captors were a ruthless general and a PhysicalGod, both which clearly overpowered her and she would stand no chance against them in an actual fight. Most people give Minfilia grief because in comparison to the other Scion members that are more active in the field, she is seen as passive. [[spoiler: In patch 3.2, it's revealed that after disappearing, Minfilia performed a HeroicSacrifice by giving up her life force to Hydaelyn so that the goddess would have enough strength to tell the player character an important message. Most players saw the scene only as relief that a "useless" character was finally killed off.]]

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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' has Minfilia, the leader of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn whose goal is to unite the city states of Eorzea against TheEmpire and finding a way to get rid of the primal and ascian threat for good. She also handles a lot of the political affairs between her group and the city states, which gives her a ton of responsibility and duties. Many fans declare her to be useless because she is "kidnapped" "kidnapped a lot lot" and doesn't fight back, even though Minfilia is only captured twice and in both cases, she refused to give her captors what they were looking for and knew that she could be killed for resisting; her captors were a ruthless general and a PhysicalGod, both which clearly overpowered her and she would stand no chance against them in an actual fight. Most people give Minfilia grief because in comparison to the other Scion members that are more active in the field, she is seen as passive. [[spoiler: In patch 3.2, it's revealed that after disappearing, Minfilia performed a HeroicSacrifice by giving up her life force to Hydaelyn so that the goddess would have enough strength to tell the player character an important message. Most players saw the scene only as relief that a "useless" character was finally killed off.]]
30th Apr '16 10:15:32 PM Steven
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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' has Minfilia, the leader of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn whose goal is to unite the city states of Eorzea against TheEmpire and finding a way to get rid of the primal and ascian threat for good. She also handles a lot of the political affairs between her group and the city states, which gives her a ton of responsibility and duties. Many fans declare her to be useless because she is "kidnapped" a lot and doesn't fight back, even though Minfilia is only captured twice and in both cases, she refused to give her captors what they were looking for and knew that she could be killed for resisting; her captors were a ruthless general and a PhysicalGod, both which clearly overpowered her and she would stand no chance against them in an actual fight. Most people give Minfilia grief because in comparison to the other Scion members that are more active in the field, she is seen as passive. [[spoiler: In patch 3.2, it's revealed that after disappearing, Minfilia performed a HeroicSacrifice by giving up her life force to Hydaelyn so that the goddess would have enough strength to tell the player character an important message. Most players saw the scene only as relief that a "useless" character was finally killed off.]]
14th Apr '16 1:40:58 PM TheAnalyzerNinja
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'': Cower before the sheer hatred poor [[SubmissiveBadass Sumia]] gets for this. Never mind the fact that the single-handedly saved Chrom's life ''in her first battle'', that she once [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan hits him to get him out of his funk]] ''and'' that [[LadyOfWar she never backs off the battlefield]] [[ActionMom even if she's married with kids]], the FanDumb still considers her "weak" and [[RealWomenDontWearDresses "anti-feminist"]] for ''daring'' to [[ThroughHisStomach bake Chrom pies and do his laundry during their supports.]] Most of this hate comes from fans of other Chrom pairings who use this trope in an attempt to "justify" their DieForOurShip towards here. (Much like Ninian in FE 7) It helps this preception that two of Chrom's other potential love interests, Sully and the Female Avatar, are TheLadette and a BadassBookworm respectively (and Sully is [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff much more popular in America than in Japan]]); this made both poor girls (very powerful ''and'' likeable characters in their own rights, and good friends with Sumia to boot) the ''perfect'' vessels for the sexist fangirls who think "feminine bad, tomboyish good", [[{{hypocrite}} often while reducing Sully and Female Avatar's worth as women to either of them getting Chrom's cock for herself]].

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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'': Cower before the sheer hatred poor [[SubmissiveBadass Sumia]] gets for this. Never mind the fact that the she single-handedly saved Chrom's life ''in her first battle'', that she once [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan hits him to get him out of his funk]] ''and'' that [[LadyOfWar she never backs off the battlefield]] [[ActionMom even if she's married with kids]], the FanDumb still considers her "weak" and [[RealWomenDontWearDresses "anti-feminist"]] for ''daring'' to [[ThroughHisStomach bake Chrom pies and do his laundry during their supports.]] Most of this hate comes from fans of other Chrom pairings who use this trope in an attempt to "justify" their DieForOurShip towards here. (Much like Ninian in FE 7) It helps this preception that two of Chrom's other potential love interests, Sully and the Female Avatar, are TheLadette and a BadassBookworm respectively (and Sully is [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff much more popular in America than in Japan]]); this made both poor girls (very powerful ''and'' likeable characters in their own rights, and good friends with Sumia to boot) the ''perfect'' vessels for the sexist fangirls who think "feminine bad, tomboyish good", [[{{hypocrite}} often while reducing Sully and Female Avatar's worth as women to either of them getting Chrom's cock for herself]].
14th Apr '16 1:28:42 PM TheAnalyzerNinja
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* Stalin felt his way about his son. When said son tried [[BungledSuicide and failed]] to shoot himself, Stalin remarked that "he couldn't even shoot straight."

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* Stalin felt his this way about his son. When said son tried [[BungledSuicide and failed]] to shoot himself, Stalin remarked that "he couldn't even shoot straight."
29th Mar '16 9:57:07 PM GeorgeT-SLC
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Compare RealWomenDontWearDresses, ARealManIsAKiller. It may invoke Double Standards.

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29th Jan '16 3:45:13 PM margdean56
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* Literature/VorkosiganSaga": In-universe near the end of ''Barrayar'', Cordelia is furious when she realizes that she's respected for ordering a man's head cut off, when other women who endured much more are dismissed.

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* Literature/VorkosiganSaga": Literature/VorkosiganSaga: In-universe near the end of ''Barrayar'', Cordelia is furious when she realizes that she's respected for ordering a man's head cut off, when other women who endured much more are dismissed.



* ''Literature/CircleOfMagic'': Sandry's the most feminine of all the main characters, with a very sweet personality and a love of fashion. Her magic over thread is an obvious case of HeartIsAnAwesomePower- she uses it to defeat whole troops of soldiers, hold a person's very life-force to their body, and ''joins the minds of the four main characters together'', just to start. Despite this, numerous fans express intense dislike of her compared to other characters, who are more masculine.

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* ''Literature/CircleOfMagic'': Sandry's the most feminine of all the main characters, with a very sweet personality and a love of fashion. Her magic over thread is an obvious case of HeartIsAnAwesomePower- she HeartIsAnAwesomePower--she uses it to defeat whole troops of soldiers, hold a person's very life-force to their body, and ''joins the minds of the four main characters together'', just to start. Despite this, numerous fans express intense dislike of her compared to other characters, who are more masculine.
29th Jan '16 3:43:12 PM margdean56
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* Nite Owl II of ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' definitely qualifies for this. Since he decided he wouldn't want to be involved in a futile battle of good against evil for the rest of his life and retired, he's clearly the "worst" of the main characters.

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* Nite Owl II of ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' definitely qualifies for this. Since he decided he wouldn't didn't want to be involved in a futile battle of good against evil for the rest of his life and retired, he's clearly the "worst" of the main characters.



*** Also, for the young teen male fan demographic Scott's powers don't look like ''fun''. Yes, they're potent, yes, they can be used to take down most targets...but the constant, unremitting ''self control'' they demand looks more like work than fun. Which it is, by any reasonable standard Scott's mutant ability is a curse, because he can't control it other than by use of his visor. Thus, even though Scott has, at times, displayed every single identifying mark of the Badass (he is, in fact, a major Badass), he's not the kind of badass a 13 year old boy wants to be.

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*** Also, for the young teen male fan demographic Scott's powers don't look like ''fun''. Yes, they're potent, yes, they can be used to take down most targets...but the constant, unremitting ''self control'' ''self-control'' they demand looks more like work than fun. Which it is, is; by any reasonable standard Scott's mutant ability is a curse, because he can't control it other than by use of his visor. Thus, even though Scott has, at times, displayed every single identifying mark of the Badass (he is, in fact, a major Badass), he's not the kind of badass a 13 year old boy wants to be.



* A BadassNormal hero will sometimes get heat for being 'normal' and not super powered. Yes, that includes Franchise/{{Batman}} (though obviously, this is so rare it's hardly worth mentioning). As there's many superheroes to which normal problems would be boringly easy, they need threats that would challenge them, but, this leaves the badass normals useless in these situations: If they're only human, than it would be ridiculous for them to deal with the same level of threats the other does regularly. In a shared universe, the normal guy will look pathetic in comparison: Superman can deal with planets colliding, while Batman can (just barely) deal with two trains colliding by himself. While they can be compensated in Team ups by the 'normal' guy doing something more flashy (such as performing some insanely cool looking martial arts moves to fight a group of enemies) while the super dos something more boring looking (like just a simple backhand to all three), usually, there will be a massive power slant, resulting in team ups being used to deal with middle ground threats at most while SupermanStaysOutOfGotham. Because of this, the BadassNormal will have a certain stigma to deal with: They'll have to really prove they're a tough badass, who can deal with the situation head on or else they'll be regarded as pathetic. For example:

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* A BadassNormal hero will sometimes get heat for being 'normal' and not super powered. Yes, that includes Franchise/{{Batman}} (though obviously, this is so rare it's hardly worth mentioning). As there's there are many superheroes to which whom normal problems would be boringly easy, they need threats that would will challenge them, but, but this leaves the badass normals useless in these situations: If they're only human, than it would be ridiculous for them to deal with the same level of threats the other does regularly. In a shared universe, the normal guy will look pathetic in comparison: Superman can deal with planets colliding, while Batman can (just barely) deal with two trains colliding by himself. While they can be compensated in Team ups team-ups by the 'normal' guy doing something more flashy (such as performing some insanely cool looking martial arts moves to fight a group of enemies) while the super dos does something more boring looking (like just a simple backhand to all three), usually, usually there will be a massive power slant, resulting in team ups team-ups being used to deal with middle ground threats at most while SupermanStaysOutOfGotham. Because of this, the BadassNormal will have a certain stigma to deal with: They'll have to really prove they're a tough badass, who can deal with the situation head on on, or else they'll be regarded as pathetic. For example:
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