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29th Jan '16 3:45:13 PM margdean56
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* Literature/VorkosiganSaga": In-universe near the end of ''Barrayar'', Cordelia is furious when she realizes that she's respected for ordering a man's head cut off, when other women who endured much more are dismissed.
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* Literature/VorkosiganSaga": Literature/VorkosiganSaga: In-universe near the end of ''Barrayar'', Cordelia is furious when she realizes that she's respected for ordering a man's head cut off, when other women who endured much more are dismissed.

* ''Literature/CircleOfMagic'': Sandry's the most feminine of all the main characters, with a very sweet personality and a love of fashion. Her magic over thread is an obvious case of HeartIsAnAwesomePower- she uses it to defeat whole troops of soldiers, hold a person's very life-force to their body, and ''joins the minds of the four main characters together'', just to start. Despite this, numerous fans express intense dislike of her compared to other characters, who are more masculine.
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* ''Literature/CircleOfMagic'': Sandry's the most feminine of all the main characters, with a very sweet personality and a love of fashion. Her magic over thread is an obvious case of HeartIsAnAwesomePower- she HeartIsAnAwesomePower--she uses it to defeat whole troops of soldiers, hold a person's very life-force to their body, and ''joins the minds of the four main characters together'', just to start. Despite this, numerous fans express intense dislike of her compared to other characters, who are more masculine.
29th Jan '16 3:43:12 PM margdean56
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* Nite Owl II of ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' definitely qualifies for this. Since he decided he wouldn't want to be involved in a futile battle of good against evil for the rest of his life and retired, he's clearly the "worst" of the main characters.
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* Nite Owl II of ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' definitely qualifies for this. Since he decided he wouldn't didn't want to be involved in a futile battle of good against evil for the rest of his life and retired, he's clearly the "worst" of the main characters.

*** Also, for the young teen male fan demographic Scott's powers don't look like ''fun''. Yes, they're potent, yes, they can be used to take down most targets...but the constant, unremitting ''self control'' they demand looks more like work than fun. Which it is, by any reasonable standard Scott's mutant ability is a curse, because he can't control it other than by use of his visor. Thus, even though Scott has, at times, displayed every single identifying mark of the Badass (he is, in fact, a major Badass), he's not the kind of badass a 13 year old boy wants to be.
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*** Also, for the young teen male fan demographic Scott's powers don't look like ''fun''. Yes, they're potent, yes, they can be used to take down most targets...but the constant, unremitting ''self control'' ''self-control'' they demand looks more like work than fun. Which it is, is; by any reasonable standard Scott's mutant ability is a curse, because he can't control it other than by use of his visor. Thus, even though Scott has, at times, displayed every single identifying mark of the Badass (he is, in fact, a major Badass), he's not the kind of badass a 13 year old boy wants to be.

* A BadassNormal hero will sometimes get heat for being 'normal' and not super powered. Yes, that includes Franchise/{{Batman}} (though obviously, this is so rare it's hardly worth mentioning). As there's many superheroes to which normal problems would be boringly easy, they need threats that would challenge them, but, this leaves the badass normals useless in these situations: If they're only human, than it would be ridiculous for them to deal with the same level of threats the other does regularly. In a shared universe, the normal guy will look pathetic in comparison: Superman can deal with planets colliding, while Batman can (just barely) deal with two trains colliding by himself. While they can be compensated in Team ups by the 'normal' guy doing something more flashy (such as performing some insanely cool looking martial arts moves to fight a group of enemies) while the super dos something more boring looking (like just a simple backhand to all three), usually, there will be a massive power slant, resulting in team ups being used to deal with middle ground threats at most while SupermanStaysOutOfGotham. Because of this, the BadassNormal will have a certain stigma to deal with: They'll have to really prove they're a tough badass, who can deal with the situation head on or else they'll be regarded as pathetic. For example:
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* A BadassNormal hero will sometimes get heat for being 'normal' and not super powered. Yes, that includes Franchise/{{Batman}} (though obviously, this is so rare it's hardly worth mentioning). As there's there are many superheroes to which whom normal problems would be boringly easy, they need threats that would will challenge them, but, but this leaves the badass normals useless in these situations: If they're only human, than it would be ridiculous for them to deal with the same level of threats the other does regularly. In a shared universe, the normal guy will look pathetic in comparison: Superman can deal with planets colliding, while Batman can (just barely) deal with two trains colliding by himself. While they can be compensated in Team ups team-ups by the 'normal' guy doing something more flashy (such as performing some insanely cool looking martial arts moves to fight a group of enemies) while the super dos does something more boring looking (like just a simple backhand to all three), usually, usually there will be a massive power slant, resulting in team ups team-ups being used to deal with middle ground threats at most while SupermanStaysOutOfGotham. Because of this, the BadassNormal will have a certain stigma to deal with: They'll have to really prove they're a tough badass, who can deal with the situation head on on, or else they'll be regarded as pathetic. For example:
26th Jan '16 9:54:46 PM Adept
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* Generally speaking, if you follow an anime series in which the heroine is bullied or abused (specially by her classmates or her family) and doesn't resort to beating them up as a result... please think twice before reading the comments and/or reading about it on blogs. Mikan from ''Manga/AliceAcademy'', Tohru from ''Manga/FruitsBasket'' and Nanako of ''OniisamaE'' are specially hated by viewers who blame ''them'' for the hardships they go through "because they're weak whores who don't fight back".
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* Generally speaking, if you follow an anime series in which the heroine is bullied or abused (specially by her classmates or her family) and doesn't resort to beating them up as a result... please think twice before reading the comments and/or reading about it on blogs. Mikan from ''Manga/AliceAcademy'', Tohru from ''Manga/FruitsBasket'' and Nanako of ''OniisamaE'' ''Manga/OniisamaE'' are specially hated by viewers who blame ''them'' for the hardships they go through "because they're weak whores who don't fight back".
26th Jan '16 7:55:58 AM Ramona122003
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* ''Anime/DragonballZ'': Almost every non-Saiyan fighter is hit with this to some extent, but Krillin and Yamcha (the latter especially) get some of the worst criticism. Both guys are ''very'' strong by human terms but are called "weak" by a good chunk of the fanbase because they're not as strong as the Saiyans. They also get criticized for dying a lot despite being far from the only characters that died more than once.
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* ''Anime/DragonballZ'': ''Anime/DragonballZ'': ** Almost every non-Saiyan fighter is hit with this to some extent, but Krillin and Yamcha (the latter especially) get some of the worst criticism. Both guys are ''very'' strong by human terms but are called "weak" by a good chunk of the fanbase because they're not as strong as the Saiyans. They also get criticized for dying a lot despite being far from the only characters that died more than once.once. ** The more zealous Gohan's fans have been given the character a hard time since he no longer trains and wants to live a normal life. Because of that he experience BadassDecay and isn't the strongest unfused character anymore, which is apparently all Gohan is worth to these fans since he's now a wasted and terrible character. This is ignoring that Gohan has said since the Cell Games that he didn't like fighting, and he now has a wife and child to take care of. He is also still one of the strongest characters in the series, but 'he's not the strongest anymore, so he's terrible'.
26th Dec '15 9:39:18 PM nombretomado
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* The Bat Family, Batman's partners, Robins, sidekicks, and mentees are all hit with this trope. While Batman has the same stigma, he's still seen as an incredible badass. So, his sidekicks, who unfortunately are limited in how many levels they can rise to or risk overshadowing him, tend to appear this (Dick Grayson was the poster child of DistressedDude during {{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}}). With exception of Cassandra Cain, they're occasionally hit with this by someone, the worst being Stephanie Brown. While each member has at least one skill they excel at (Dick's leadership and acrobatics, Tim's detective skills, Babs' intelligence, Jason's homicidal violence, etc) Steph is a realistic portrayal of a Badass Normal: She's got an average intellect and reasonable training and skills in fighting and athletics, she lacks PhotographicMemory and TrainingFromHell the others possess. So, while she is as badass, if not more so, than many real life people or action heroes, she's limited in what she could reasonably achieve. To this day there's many a HateDumb that will decry her as 'weak', 'pathetic', 'stupid', and call her 'incompetent' for not having {{Charles Atlas Superpower}}s and being ThePollyanna.
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* The Bat Family, Batman's partners, Robins, sidekicks, and mentees are all hit with this trope. While Batman has the same stigma, he's still seen as an incredible badass. So, his sidekicks, who unfortunately are limited in how many levels they can rise to or risk overshadowing him, tend to appear this (Dick Grayson was the poster child of DistressedDude during {{the UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}}). With exception of Cassandra Cain, they're occasionally hit with this by someone, the worst being Stephanie Brown. While each member has at least one skill they excel at (Dick's leadership and acrobatics, Tim's detective skills, Babs' intelligence, Jason's homicidal violence, etc) Steph is a realistic portrayal of a Badass Normal: She's got an average intellect and reasonable training and skills in fighting and athletics, she lacks PhotographicMemory and TrainingFromHell the others possess. So, while she is as badass, if not more so, than many real life people or action heroes, she's limited in what she could reasonably achieve. To this day there's many a HateDumb that will decry her as 'weak', 'pathetic', 'stupid', and call her 'incompetent' for not having {{Charles Atlas Superpower}}s and being ThePollyanna.

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1st Dec '15 4:21:42 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Generally speaking, if you follow an anime series in which the heroine is bullied or abused (specially by her classmates or her family) and doesn't resort to beating them up as a result... please think twice before reading the comments and/or reading about it on blogs. Mikan from ''Manga/GakuenAlice'', Tohru from ''Manga/FruitsBasket'' and Nanako of ''OniisamaE'' are specially hated by viewers who blame ''them'' for the hardships they go through "because they're weak whores who don't fight back".
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* Generally speaking, if you follow an anime series in which the heroine is bullied or abused (specially by her classmates or her family) and doesn't resort to beating them up as a result... please think twice before reading the comments and/or reading about it on blogs. Mikan from ''Manga/GakuenAlice'', ''Manga/AliceAcademy'', Tohru from ''Manga/FruitsBasket'' and Nanako of ''OniisamaE'' are specially hated by viewers who blame ''them'' for the hardships they go through "because they're weak whores who don't fight back".
7th Sep '15 10:28:47 AM eliaskelham
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* Generally speaking, if you follow an anime series in which the heroine is bullied or abused (specially by her classmates or her family) and doesn't resort to beating them up as a result... please think twice before reading the comments and/or reading about it on blogs. Mikan from ''Manga/GakuenAlice'', Tohru from ''Manga/FruitsBasket'' and Nanako of ''OniisamaE'' are specially hated by stupid watchers who blame ''them'' for the hardships they go through "because they're weak whores who don't fight back".
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* Generally speaking, if you follow an anime series in which the heroine is bullied or abused (specially by her classmates or her family) and doesn't resort to beating them up as a result... please think twice before reading the comments and/or reading about it on blogs. Mikan from ''Manga/GakuenAlice'', Tohru from ''Manga/FruitsBasket'' and Nanako of ''OniisamaE'' are specially hated by stupid watchers viewers who blame ''them'' for the hardships they go through "because they're weak whores who don't fight back".
6th Sep '15 2:26:47 AM Morgenthaler
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Memetic Sex God has been cut per TRS. All wicks will be deleted.
* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' has Rinnosuke, the only named humanoid male character in the entirely of Gensoukyou that isn't missing or dead who happens to completely lack any combat ability. If he isn't ignored entirely in favour of more badass characters, the fandom portrays him as a MemeticBadass (known as [=MANnosuke=]) who all of Gensoukyou fears and/or a MemeticSexGod who is the constant target of everyone's affections (It is never certain whether ''Touhou'' fandom is joking or not). Furthering the trope, this may be linked to how Rinnosuke is the oldest and closest friend of Marisa (regularly considered the manliest character in the series), and a badass character having a non-badass friend is ''clearly'' blasphemy.
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* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' has Rinnosuke, the only named humanoid male character in the entirely of Gensoukyou that isn't missing or dead who happens to completely lack any combat ability. If he isn't ignored entirely in favour of more badass characters, the fandom portrays him as a MemeticBadass (known as [=MANnosuke=]) who all of Gensoukyou fears and/or a MemeticSexGod who is the constant target of everyone's affections (It is never certain whether ''Touhou'' fandom is joking or not).fears. Furthering the trope, this may be linked to how Rinnosuke is the oldest and closest friend of Marisa (regularly considered the manliest character in the series), and a badass character having a non-badass friend is ''clearly'' blasphemy.
22nd Aug '15 3:41:20 PM Austin
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** Cyclops holds his own against Comicbook/{{Wolverine}} in hand-to-hand combat, takes out the entire team when they're brainwashed and he's injured, beats up six men at once with his eyes shut, pulls off impossible trick shots, ''earns'' the nickname Fearless Leader… and a lot of ''ComicBook/XMen'' fans still think of him as a pussy, because he dares to not get along with Wolverine (which, when you think about it, is pretty badass in its own little way).
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** Cyclops ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} holds his own against Comicbook/{{Wolverine}} in hand-to-hand combat, takes out the entire team when they're brainwashed and he's injured, beats up six men at once with his eyes shut, pulls off impossible trick shots, ''earns'' the nickname Fearless Leader… and a lot of ''ComicBook/XMen'' fans still think of him as a pussy, because he dares to not get along with Wolverine (which, when you think about it, is pretty badass in its own little way).
14th Aug '15 2:48:48 AM eliaskelham
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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'''s Raiden got a lot of flak from fanboys, mostly for being a ReplacementScrappy for Solid Snake, but attributed to him being a "weak, [[{{Bishonen}} overly-feminine]] character" (despite the fact that he fought well, ''taking down several Metal Gears, killing the BigBad'', and did far better than most people could have done in his [[GambitPileup profoundly shitty situation]], leaving with renewed purpose, the [[WellDoneSonGuy respect of his mentor]], a renewed relationship with the woman he loved, and with the child of a castmate still alive). ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' reinvented him to be a cyborg ninja, and these days, he's a lot more popular - even though his ninja self spent half of the game dying slowly of kidney failure and whining about his awful situation (something which in ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' he would have tried to deal with). To be fair, he's ''still'' a powerful fighter who has his fair share of BigDamnHeroes moments, but the primary difference between his ''MGS2'' and ''MGS4'' personas seems to be {{Angst}} more than anything else. It just goes to show how shallow this trope (and/or people's standards of Badassery) is; Raiden was judged pathetic because of his [[PrettyBoy appearance]] (his actions did not matter).
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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'''s Raiden got a lot of flak from fanboys, mostly for being a ReplacementScrappy for Solid Snake, but attributed to him being a "weak, [[{{Bishonen}} overly-feminine]] character" (despite the fact that he fought well, ''taking down several Metal Gears, killing the BigBad'', and did far better than most people could have done in his [[GambitPileup profoundly shitty situation]], leaving with renewed purpose, the [[WellDoneSonGuy respect of his mentor]], a renewed relationship with the woman he loved, and with the child of a castmate still alive). ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots'' reinvented him to be a cyborg ninja, and these days, he's a lot more popular - even though his ninja self spent half of the game dying slowly of kidney failure and whining about his awful situation (something which in ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' he would have tried to deal with). situation. To be fair, he's ''still'' a powerful fighter who has his fair share of BigDamnHeroes moments, but the primary difference between his ''MGS2'' ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2 MGS2]]'' and ''MGS4'' ''[[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4 MGS4]]'' personas seems to be {{Angst}} more than anything else. It just goes to show how shallow this trope (and/or people's standards of Badassery) is; Raiden was judged pathetic because of his [[PrettyBoy appearance]] (his actions did not matter).
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