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23rd Jul '16 4:37:14 PM N8han11
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*** Bloodwrath anyone?



*** Squirrels aren't always good guys. Just look at the murderous Gawtrybe...



*** He did specifically make one of his Big Bads cute on purpose; Ferahgo the Assassin and his son Klitch are both cute weasels with [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience pretty blue eyes]].



*** It's simple. The good guys are vegetarian/pescatarian, even in defiance of their species' natural requirements (badgers, moles, shrews, some birds of prey). The bad guys are scavengers and hunting carnivores (rats, ferrets, weasels).



*** Runnerbeasts seem to be a [[GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke modified]] and side-evolved Terran animal -- horses were among the first things deployed by colonists, along with cattle and oxen. As to dolphins, there were mentioned "tales" that sometimes they help fishermen in a trouble. After the Pernese forgot their origins it was taboo to catch a "shipfish" in a net or kill one any other way, for fear that the rest would stop guiding and rescuing sailors.



* Both used and averted in ''Literature/WatershipDown''. The heroes are rabbits. The major predators of rabbits are ''minor'' enemies - the BigBad is actually another rabbit (and a downright AxCrazy psycho too! [[KillerRabbit Never seen a rabbit attack a dog head on before!]])
** Who's a cute little bunny? Who's a cute little...'''''AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! RUN AWAY!!! RUN AWAY!!!'''''
*** But then you look at real life -- you can find video of rabbits attacking other animals, too, like goats. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ez5QPW-ku4 Rabbits are deceptively badass]].
*** The BigBad and his minions are not the only hostile rabbits. There are (arguably) even worse rabbits in the book than him. They make a few friends with cute animals, but it is justified. They befriended them due to a common predator enemy.

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* Both used and averted in ''Literature/WatershipDown''. The heroes are rabbits. The major predators of rabbits are ''minor'' enemies - the BigBad is actually another rabbit (and a downright AxCrazy psycho too! [[KillerRabbit Never seen a rabbit attack a dog head on before!]])
** Who's a cute little bunny? Who's a cute little...'''''AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! RUN AWAY!!! RUN AWAY!!!'''''
*** But then you look at real life -- you can find video of rabbits attacking other animals, too, like goats. [[http://www.
before!]])[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ez5QPW-ku4 Rabbits are deceptively badass]].
*** The BigBad and his minions are not the only hostile rabbits. There are (arguably) even worse rabbits in the book than him. They make a few friends with cute animals, but it is justified. They befriended them due to a common predator enemy.
badass]].



** [[FridgeLogic But what about cute little veal calves?]]
*** You don't have to look at them while they're alive.



*** Get a copy of ''Draconomicon'' and look at the blue dragon wyrmling. It's [[UglyCute kind of cute]] in a weird reptilian way. For a bizarre use of this trope, blue dragons are the ''least evil'' of Chromatics in 4th edition - sure, they're arrogant, self-serving jerks, but they prefer cows to humans and can get along quite well with people as long as they receive ample groveling and tribute. Contrast this with black dragons, who just look nasty and tend to hang out in swamps dissolving people.



*** ''{{Nodwick}}'' has some [[http://comic.nodwick.com/?comic=2005-07-13 fun]] with this.



* The World Wildlife Fund happily avoids this with their [[http://www.worldwildlife.org/ogc/species_category.cfm symbolic gift adoption program]] (perfect for any Tropers having a hard time getting a gift this holiday season for that one person impossible to shop for). For fifty dollars, your giftee gets an adorable stuffed animal, and the real animal gets some much-needed help. Available adoptees include the expected lions and elephants and monkeys...''and'' giant salamanders, vampire bats, Tasmanian devils, baboons, hyenas, sharks, stingrays, and so on. (About the only thing sorely missing is the aforementioned Coelacanth.)
** But also embraces the trope with their adorable {{panda|ingToTheAudience}} logo.
* It helped that there were [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters Loads and Loads of Beanie Babies]]. But where else have we ever seen plush Komodo Dragons, cockroaches, scorpions...?
** [[http://www.amazon.com/TY-BEANIE-BABY-STINGER-Scorpion/dp/B0018OLJCA Stinger the scorpion]], [[http://www.amazon.com/Beanie-Babies-Spinner-the-Spider/dp/B00001QECA Spinner the spider]] and [[http://www.amazon.co.uk/TY-Pinchers-Lobster-Beanie-Baby/dp/B00001QEAS Pinchers the lobster]] are all pleased to meet you.

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* The World Wildlife Fund happily avoids this with their [[http://www.worldwildlife.org/ogc/species_category.cfm symbolic gift adoption program]] (perfect for any Tropers having a hard time getting a gift this holiday season for that one person impossible to shop for).program]]. For fifty dollars, your giftee gets an adorable stuffed animal, and the real animal gets some much-needed help. Available adoptees include the expected lions and elephants and monkeys...''and'' giant salamanders, vampire bats, Tasmanian devils, baboons, hyenas, sharks, stingrays, and so on. (About the only thing sorely missing is the aforementioned Coelacanth.)
** But also embraces the trope with their adorable {{panda|ingToTheAudience}} logo.
* It helped that there were [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters Loads and Loads of Beanie Babies]]. But where else have we ever seen plush Komodo Dragons, cockroaches, scorpions...?
** [[http://www.amazon.com/TY-BEANIE-BABY-STINGER-Scorpion/dp/B0018OLJCA Stinger the scorpion]], [[http://www.amazon.com/Beanie-Babies-Spinner-the-Spider/dp/B00001QECA Spinner the spider]] and [[http://www.amazon.co.uk/TY-Pinchers-Lobster-Beanie-Baby/dp/B00001QEAS Pinchers the lobster]] are all pleased to meet you.
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*** The "original nine" contained, besides obvious choices as bears, if not downright ugly, certainly not traditionally cute animals such as a moose, pig, and the amazingly odd choice of [[EverythingsBetterWithPlatypi platypus.]]

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*** ** The "original nine" contained, besides obvious choices as bears, if not downright ugly, certainly not traditionally cute animals such as a moose, pig, and the amazingly odd choice of [[EverythingsBetterWithPlatypi platypus.]]



*** It helped that the toy line seemed to be on a mission to turn every species they could think of into an [[AnimalSuperhero anthropomorphic superhero]].



*** Would you believe there's some TruthInTelevision to this episode? Long story short, asking a very young child to help you pull up the weeds in your perennial garden is not going to end well. (Certainly, you want the dandelions and their pretty flowers to flourish while getting those boring echinacea leaves out of the way, right?) On a separately bad note, some children delight in ripping up dandelions. But only their HEADS, leaving the roots to continue their conquest of your front lawn.



*** Deadeye was voiced by Scott [=McNeil=]. The Aesop is "never trust any baddie not voiced by Scott [=McNeil=]".



* Averted by ''[[Series/CrocodileHunter Steve Irwin]]'' who was essentially a living, breathing incarnation of the FriendToAllLivingThings trope. The man once gave a heartbreaking eulogy to a dying lizard. Not even a very exciting or rare lizard. It was just a lizard. But he cared enough, anyway.

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* Averted by ''[[Series/CrocodileHunter Steve Irwin]]'' who was essentially a living, breathing incarnation of the FriendToAllLivingThings trope. The man once gave a heartbreaking eulogy to a dying lizard. Not even a very exciting or rare lizard. It was just a lizard. But he cared enough, anyway.



** Prevalent in the Anglosphere and Western world in general. It probably dates back to Christianization of Europe. Horses were eaten in Pagan rituals, and the church discourage this. In the 19th century there was an attempt to use old work horses as cheap food for the poor, but it never really caught on. Combine this with horses being very valuable for much of their history, and the fact that people work closely with them makes killing them, and eating them a bigger deal than cows.
*** The religious background for this in Christian and Jewish tradition is spelled out in The Book of Leviticus. Chapter 11 deals with what is and is not acceptable for eating, stating that only those "That has a cloven hoof, divided in two, and that is a ruminant" are acceptable. Since horse hooves are not divided (they walk on a single toe on each foot) and they don't ruminate (that is, chew cud), they are forbidden.

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** Prevalent in the Anglosphere and Western world in general. It probably dates back to Christianization of Europe. Horses were eaten in Pagan rituals, and the church discourage this. In the 19th century there was an attempt to use old work horses as cheap food for the poor, but it never really caught on. Combine this with horses being very valuable for much of their history, and the fact that people work closely with them makes killing them, and eating them a bigger deal than cows.
*** The religious background for this in Christian and Jewish tradition is spelled out in The Book of Leviticus. Chapter 11 deals with what is and is not acceptable for eating, stating that only those "That has a cloven hoof, divided in two, and that is a ruminant" are acceptable. Since horse hooves are not divided (they walk on a single toe on each foot) and they don't ruminate (that is, chew cud), they are forbidden.
cows.
23rd Jul '16 4:32:25 PM N8han11
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** The reason they have Rufus eating junk-food is because part of the diet of real Naked Mole Rats consists of their own feces.
23rd Jul '16 4:31:59 PM N8han11
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* On ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'', Bobby's environmentalist teacher Mr. [=McKay=] campaigns for the preservation of "Itchy Algae"; when Hank argues that its extinction would be a good thing, [=McKay=] decries letting a species' habitat be destroyed "just because it isn't cuddly or good for anything." Great message. Too bad Mr. [=McKay=] is [[StrawCharacter portrayed as a delusional]] HippieTeacher...whom Hank Hill surprisingly agrees with.
** He was only agreeing with him because he didn't want the city to drain the quarry that the algae lived in, because his friend's car had been hidden at the bottom of said quarry for decades.

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* On ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'', Bobby's environmentalist teacher Mr. [=McKay=] campaigns for the preservation of "Itchy Algae"; when Hank argues that its extinction would be a good thing, [=McKay=] decries letting a species' habitat be destroyed "just because it isn't cuddly or good for anything." Great message. Too bad Mr. [=McKay=] is [[StrawCharacter portrayed as a delusional]] HippieTeacher...whom Hank Hill surprisingly agrees with.
** He was only agreeing with him because he didn't want the city to drain the quarry that the algae lived in, because his friend's car had been hidden at the bottom of said quarry for decades.
HippieTeacher.
11th Jul '16 2:24:28 PM Caps-luna
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* A lot a nature conservation efforts tend to focus on deer, especially if there is an anti-hunting spin involved. While in someplace this is justified as there are threatened species of deer, in most instances trying to conserve deer populations is actually ''harmful'' to the environment. In many places the deer's natural predators have been eliminated, allowing them to breed until they have no food left and they starve.
11th Jul '16 1:55:53 PM Caps-luna
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** Jumping spiders are far more likely than any other arthropod to evoke someones sympathies, because they are fuzzy and have giant eyes.
11th Jul '16 3:48:52 AM sabrina_diamond
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Humans, being as prejudiced as we are, tend to only like certain animals. Oh, how our dog smiles and plays! Oh, how our cat rolls on the rug asking for a tummy rub! Oh, how the hamster stuffs his chubby little cheeks! Oh, how pretty the Mute Swan is as he glides across the pond! Oh, how the Coelacanth... is a boring old fish.

You may have noticed that only cute, cuddly, and cool animals are good guys while unpopular or unattractive animals are brought in to be the {{Designated Villain}}s. This usually plays into the "Carnivores are Mean" subtrope of CarnivoreConfusion. [[SavageWolves Wolves]] were cast as baddies for centuries. Owls and hawks and [[CreepyCrows corvids]] basically exist to [[GiantFlyer drop down on our cuter protagonists from the 'bove]]. Wasps and termites are mini villains and the evil twins of bees and ants. [[YouDirtyRat Rats]] and [[WickedWeasel weasels]] are the go-to pocket-sized villains. [[GiantSwimmer Friendly sharks]] pretty much exist ''only'' as a {{subver|tedTrope}}sion. Don't even ask about [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent snakes]]. The heroes, on the other hand, will be cute or cool animals like doggies and [[CuteKitten kitties]] and bunnies and duckies and {{turtle|Power}}s and froggies and ladybugs and bees and ants and [[EverythingsBetterWithMonkeys monkeys]] and {{friendly playful dolphin}}s and Reticulated Chipmunks and blah. Wolves and [[CunningLikeAFox Foxes]], and [[KingOfBeasts Lions]] and other big cats can be heroes as well because their babies are cute and thus remind people of puppies and kittens, and the adults look BadAss. All butterflies are marked "Cute", even those you won't like to see in your garden. [[GiantSpider Spiders]] and [[BatOutOfHell bats]] are marked "Mean" even though they usually don't bother humans at all and even devour lots of annoying and dangerous insects. And if you'll encounter an Antlion in the role of horrible predator, its ''adult'' form is ''not'' likely to appear in next scenes (it looks like a cute, pretty dragonfly). For any animals not in this short list, it's usually divided into:

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Humans, being as prejudiced as we are, tend to only like certain animals. Oh, how our dog smiles and plays! Oh, how our cat rolls on the rug asking for a tummy rub! Oh, how the hamster stuffs his chubby little cheeks! Oh, how pretty the Mute Swan is as he glides across the pond! Oh, how the Coelacanth... is a boring old fish.

fish?

You may have noticed that only cute, cuddly, and cool animals are good guys while unpopular or unattractive animals are brought in to be the {{Designated Villain}}s. This usually plays into the "Carnivores are Mean" subtrope of CarnivoreConfusion. [[SavageWolves Wolves]] were cast as baddies for centuries. Owls and hawks and [[CreepyCrows corvids]] basically exist to [[GiantFlyer drop down on our cuter protagonists from the 'bove]]. above]]. Wasps and termites are mini villains villains- and the basically evil twins of bees and ants. [[YouDirtyRat Rats]] and [[WickedWeasel weasels]] are the go-to pocket-sized villains. [[GiantSwimmer Friendly sharks]] pretty much exist ''only'' as a {{subver|tedTrope}}sion. Don't even ask about [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent snakes]]. The heroes, on the other hand, will be cute or cool animals like doggies and [[CuteKitten kitties]] and bunnies and duckies and {{turtle|Power}}s and froggies and ladybugs and bees and ants and [[EverythingsBetterWithMonkeys monkeys]] and {{friendly playful dolphin}}s and Reticulated Chipmunks and blah. Wolves and [[CunningLikeAFox Foxes]], and [[KingOfBeasts Lions]] and other big cats can be heroes as well because their babies are cute and thus remind people of puppies and kittens, and the adults look BadAss. All butterflies are marked "Cute", even those you won't like to see in your garden. [[GiantSpider Spiders]] and [[BatOutOfHell bats]] are marked "Mean" even though they usually don't bother humans at all and even devour lots of annoying and dangerous insects. And if you'll encounter an Antlion in the role of horrible predator, its ''adult'' form is ''not'' likely to appear in next scenes (it looks like a cute, pretty dragonfly). For any animals not in this short list, it's usually divided into:
7th Jul '16 6:50:39 PM HighCrate
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In extreme cases, this can start to look like the animal equivalent of FantasticRacism. And if you know anything about actual animal behavior, it's a lot easier to say TheyJustDidntCare most of the time. Where are the wise crows, easygoing iguanas, relentless, all-consuming caterpillars, mean, aggressive hippos, gentle gorillas, murderous doves, AxCrazy chimpanzees, [[KillerRabbit bullying swans]], suicidal deer, ad infinitum?

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In extreme cases, this can start to look like the animal equivalent of FantasticRacism. And if you know anything about actual animal behavior, it's a lot easier to say TheyJustDidntCare most of the time. Where are the wise crows, easygoing iguanas, relentless, all-consuming caterpillars, mean, aggressive hippos, gentle gorillas, murderous doves, AxCrazy chimpanzees, [[KillerRabbit bullying swans]], suicidal deer, ad infinitum?
2nd Jul '16 12:23:05 PM nombretomado
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* The Rahi [[{{Bionicle}} Makuta]] [[BigBad Teridax]] brainwashed are al menacing monsters. On the other hand the friendly Pewku and Spinax are UglyCute.

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* The Rahi [[{{Bionicle}} [[Toys/{{Bionicle}} Makuta]] [[BigBad Teridax]] brainwashed are al menacing monsters. On the other hand the friendly Pewku and Spinax are UglyCute.
30th Jun '16 4:14:41 PM Commonsensus
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* ''{{Podcast/Welcome To Night Vale}}'' actually deconstructs this pretty brutally. The station's (and Cecil's) pet cat Khoshekh is consistently praised by Cecil as being cute and sweetly tempered. Note, the first time we hear what Khoshekh sounds like (his "I'm hungry" meow), it's something like the basilisk from ''Harry Potter'' overlayed with a growling lion, and most headcannons depict the cat as purple, sometimes unnaturally thin or mangy, rarely with superfluous eyes, and almost always with poisonous ridges protruding from its spine and bigger fangs than a house cat should have. [[ArsonMurderandJaywalking Also he floats]], [[Mr.Seahorse and somehow gives birth to a litter of kittens]]. In episode 43, Cecil finds a little creature in the studio that looks like a Tribble, only with visible eyes and little nubs that approximate legs. Cecil has a [[CutenessOverload standard reaction to the creature]]. The wham happens when [[spoiler: the creature bites Cecil's leg, follows the injured radio host to the bathroom (where Khoshekh is stuck floating next to the sink) and then viciously mauls Khoshekh in front of Cecil. The Tribble-creature turns out to be a synthetic organism invented by [[BigBad Strex Corp.]] and given to Cecil "as a birthday present, because he loves animals so much", as explained to Cecil by one of their representatives minutes after he's just watched his "birthday present" almost murder his precious cat. [[NotTheirBirthday It's also not Cecil's birthday...]]]]

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* ''{{Podcast/Welcome To Night Vale}}'' actually deconstructs this pretty brutally. The station's (and Cecil's) pet cat Khoshekh is consistently praised by Cecil as being cute and sweetly tempered. Note, the first time we hear what Khoshekh sounds like (his "I'm hungry" meow), it's something like the basilisk from ''Harry Potter'' overlayed with a growling lion, and most headcannons depict the cat as purple, sometimes unnaturally thin or mangy, rarely with superfluous eyes, and almost always with poisonous ridges protruding from its spine and bigger fangs than a house cat should have. [[ArsonMurderandJaywalking Also he floats]], [[Mr.Seahorse [[MrSeahorse and somehow gives birth to a litter of kittens]]. In episode 43, Cecil finds a little creature in the studio that looks like a Tribble, only with visible eyes and little nubs that approximate legs. Cecil has a [[CutenessOverload standard reaction to the creature]]. The wham happens when [[spoiler: the creature bites Cecil's leg, follows the injured radio host to the bathroom (where Khoshekh is stuck floating next to the sink) and then viciously mauls Khoshekh in front of Cecil. The Tribble-creature turns out to be a synthetic organism invented by [[BigBad Strex Corp.]] and given to Cecil "as a birthday present, because he loves animals so much", as explained to Cecil by one of their representatives minutes after he's just watched his "birthday present" almost murder his precious cat. [[NotTheirBirthday It's also not Cecil's birthday...]]]]
23rd Jun '16 11:01:14 AM AlienPatch
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* This may be a part of why ''WesternAnimation/ABugsLife'' is the least remembered Creator/{{Pixar}} film. Everyone remembers the [[WesternAnimation/{{Ratatouille}} cute rats]] or the [[WesternAnimation/ToyStory adorable toys]] but there's not much fluffy and cuddly about a bunch of ants.
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