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5th Jul '17 2:27:08 PM Scabbard
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** Fandom only started to lighten up in the Asami hate when she showed herself as an ActionGirl BadassNormal. And yet the moment she showed ''human'' reactions to the LoveTriangle business, some people were and still are quick to accuse her of being "nothing but Mako's ClingyJealousGirl" (Despite how she mostly ''{{defie|dTrope}}s'' the CJG trope.)

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** Fandom only started to lighten up in the Asami hate when she showed herself as an ActionGirl BadassNormal. And yet the moment she showed ''human'' reactions to the LoveTriangle business, some people were and still are quick to accuse her of being "nothing but Mako's ClingyJealousGirl" (Despite (despite how she mostly ''{{defie|dTrope}}s'' the CJG trope.)
5th Jul '17 2:27:08 PM Scabbard
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5th Jul '17 2:24:47 PM Scabbard
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* Yukiteru from ''Manga/FutureDiary'', in that, much like [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji]], he is a young boy who was forced into a world of violence. For much of the run he is mostly intent to stay out of the survival game, sometimes protecting as best he can those he cares about (including enemies) and only killing when out of options, with utter revulsion. Importantly, he needs the guidance of Yuno and others to take effective action. Then after 20-30 chapters/18 episodes he [[BreakTheCutie gets broken]] and [[TookALevelInBadass takes a Level in Badass]].

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* Yukiteru from ''Manga/FutureDiary'', in that, much like [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Shinji]], he is a young boy who was forced into a world of violence. For much of the run he is mostly intent to stay focuses on staying out of the survival game, sometimes protecting as best he can those he cares about (including enemies) and only killing when out of options, with utter revulsion. Importantly, he needs the guidance of Yuno and others to take effective action. Then after 20-30 chapters/18 episodes he [[BreakTheCutie gets broken]] and [[TookALevelInBadass takes a Level in Badass]].
27th Jun '17 3:31:51 PM Gamermaster
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* A complaint regarding a number of DemotedToExtra characters from ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha''. Prime example is Yuuno Scrya, but many would also level the complaint regarding Chrono Harlaown, who has shown himself to be genuinely Badass on occasion. Some people would even say this about Nanoha herself, because she seems to be nonlethal no matter how much property damage she ends up inflicting, up to and including blowing through a large portion of a warship from inside. It's actually supposed to be a sign of Nanoha's power that she has enough self-control to only inflict nonlethal but very, very painful magical damage.

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* A complaint regarding a number of DemotedToExtra characters from ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha''.''Franchise/LyricalNanoha''. Prime example is Yuuno Scrya, but many would also level the complaint regarding Chrono Harlaown, who has shown himself to be genuinely Badass on occasion. Some people would even say this about Nanoha herself, because she seems to be nonlethal no matter how much property damage she ends up inflicting, up to and including blowing through a large portion of a warship from inside. It's actually supposed to be a sign of Nanoha's power that she has enough self-control to only inflict nonlethal but very, very painful magical damage.
1st Jun '17 9:32:03 AM trulymadmoves
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* Keyleth on ''WebVideo/CriticalRole'', to the point that Marisha Ray, who plays her, has to deal with incessant bullying from certain corners of the fanbase. Though Keyleth's magic makes her the most powerful member of the group, and thus a BadassOnPaper, Marisha plays her as insecure, doubtful, and socially awkward, so these fans consider her weak in comparison to the stone-cold badasses that allegedly make up the rest of the party--never mind that the other characters are just as insecure, doubtful, and socially awkward, they just deal with it in a brooding, angsty, badassful way.
29th May '17 8:37:10 PM PrincessGwen
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** Like the aforementioned Ninian, the (often-female) dancers in general were treated like this. No combat skills and only one utility, and often dies in battle, regardless of stats, if an enemy as so much ''looks'' at her. Though later games correct this by making them more useful in direct combat, most notably [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Olivia]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Azura]]. When Ninian appears in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes'', she got retooled into a Manakate unit and true to the trope's spirit, she's only receiving praise whenever she could breath an enemy to death.

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** Like the aforementioned Ninian, the (often-female) dancers in general were treated like this. No combat skills and only one utility, and often dies in battle, regardless of stats, if an enemy as so much ''looks'' at her. Though later games correct this by making them more useful in direct combat, most notably [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Olivia]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Azura]]. When Ninian appears in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes'', she got retooled into a Manakate unit and true to the trope's spirit, she's only receiving praise whenever she could breath breathe an enemy to death.
16th Apr '17 9:42:56 PM ChrisX
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** Like the aforementioned Ninian, the (often-female) dancers in general were treated like this. No combat skills and only one utility, and often dies in battle, regardless of stats, if an enemy as so much ''looks'' at her. Though later games correct this by making them more useful in direct combat, most notably [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Olivia]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Azura]].

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** Like the aforementioned Ninian, the (often-female) dancers in general were treated like this. No combat skills and only one utility, and often dies in battle, regardless of stats, if an enemy as so much ''looks'' at her. Though later games correct this by making them more useful in direct combat, most notably [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Olivia]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Azura]]. When Ninian appears in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemHeroes'', she got retooled into a Manakate unit and true to the trope's spirit, she's only receiving praise whenever she could breath an enemy to death.
20th Mar '17 8:40:45 AM mcb01932
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* Averted in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'', which endorses compassion and pacifism; in fact, its tagline is "The Friendly RPG where nobody has to die." Also [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]] when [[spoiler: it is revealed that repeated acts of violence by the player character will eventually turn them into a sadistic, soulless abomination that thrives on seeing others in pain.]]
14th Mar '17 7:10:43 PM Coolnut
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** Eirika is often put under the microscope, nitpicked and/or downright bashed for being a sensitive NiceGirl aside of AllLovingHero and the ActionGirl, with some even openly ''denying that both she and Ephraim are the protagonists of the game''... saying Ephraim is the only lead ''[[InsaneTrollLogic and using non-canon things like FANART to prove it]]''. This has become worse ever since VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening has her in the Bride class: it doesn't matter that she's still a fighter and also gains access to staves, HOW DARE THE OFFENSIVE HOBAG WEAR A PRETTY DRESS... nevermind that the whole bride!Eirika is an ''optional'' download, that the Bride class is [[CombatMedic really]] [[LadyofWar pretty]] [[KickingAssInAllHerFinery useful]], and that you can get Eirika as her usual ActionGirl as well if you desire so.

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** Eirika is often put under the microscope, nitpicked and/or downright bashed for being a sensitive NiceGirl aside of AllLovingHero and the ActionGirl, with some even openly ''denying that both she and Ephraim are the protagonists of the game''... saying Ephraim is the only lead ''[[InsaneTrollLogic ''[[FanDumb and using non-canon things like FANART to prove it]]''. This has become worse ever since VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening has her in the Bride class: it doesn't matter that she's still a fighter and also gains access to staves, HOW DARE THE OFFENSIVE HOBAG WEAR A PRETTY DRESS... nevermind that the whole bride!Eirika is an ''optional'' download, that the Bride class is [[CombatMedic really]] [[LadyofWar pretty]] [[KickingAssInAllHerFinery useful]], and that you can get Eirika as her usual ActionGirl as well if you desire so.


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** Like the aforementioned Ninian, the (often-female) dancers in general were treated like this. No combat skills and only one utility, and often dies in battle, regardless of stats, if an enemy as so much ''looks'' at her. Though later games correct this by making them more useful in direct combat, most notably [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Olivia]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Azura]].
24th Feb '17 11:22:01 PM merotoker
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** Orihime is TheMedic, a BarrierWarrior and a true pacifist in a battle manga. In universe and out she is regarded as unsuited for battle. When her TraumaCongaLine was taken to its natural HeroicBSOD climax, she was castigated as irredeemable by a portion of the fanbase for not breaking out of character to fight back against villains even the combat characters were being thrashed by, despite her never once giving up trying to heal and shield those fighters. Conversely, combat characters who have suffered an HeroicBSOD and actually given up entirely (including the main character) receive sympathy, excuses and forgiveness from the fanbase who consider it to be character development. Eventually, WordOfGod himself stepped in to point out that Orihime's experience is quite a natural human reaction to the level of abuse and stress she had suffered. It didn't stop the double-standard.

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** Orihime is TheMedic, a BarrierWarrior and a true pacifist in a battle manga. In universe and out she is regarded as unsuited for battle. When her TraumaCongaLine was taken to its natural HeroicBSOD climax, she was castigated as irredeemable by a portion of the fanbase for not breaking out of character to fight back against villains even the combat characters were being thrashed by, despite her never once giving up trying to heal and shield those fighters. Conversely, combat characters who have suffered an a HeroicBSOD and actually given up entirely (including the main character) receive sympathy, excuses and forgiveness from the fanbase who consider it to be character development. Eventually, WordOfGod himself stepped in to point out that Orihime's experience is quite a natural human reaction to the level of abuse and stress she had suffered. It didn't stop the double-standard.



* Out-of-universe example: After Wrestling/{{Lita}} and Wrestling/TrishStratus kick-started the Wrestling/{{WWE}} Divas' division as we know it today, many of the other Divas were disdained for not quite measuring up to the in-ring standards of the first two, even if they trained at a level roughly equal to Lita and Trish - and even though when most of these Divas (''including'' Lita and Trish) started their careers in the late 1990s, [[FairForItsDay many fans considered it impressive when women wrestled]] ''[[FairForItsDay at all]]''. Even more so is when the women come from athletic backgrounds that are more feminine - dancing, cheerleader, gymnastics etc - and even on ThisVeryWiki are treated as such, never mind how athletic one needs to be to have dancing as a career.

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* Out-of-universe example: After Wrestling/{{Lita}} and Wrestling/TrishStratus kick-started the Wrestling/{{WWE}} Divas' division as we know it today, many of the other Divas were disdained for not quite measuring up to the in-ring standards of the first two, even if they trained at a level roughly equal to Lita and Trish - and even though when most of these Divas (''including'' Lita and Trish) started their careers in the late 1990s, [[FairForItsDay many fans considered it impressive when women wrestled]] ''[[FairForItsDay at all]]''. Even more so is when the women come from athletic backgrounds that are more feminine - dancing, cheerleader, gymnastics etc - and even on ThisVeryWiki [[Wiki/TVTropes This Very Wiki]] are treated as such, never mind how athletic one needs to be to have dancing as a career.
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