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28th Oct '17 8:02:42 AM Jormungar
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** It's an unwritten convention because heads-of-state hesitate to set the precedent of executing others. Capturing them and subjecting them to the process of a global trial first lends legitimacy to the execution, plus spreads the responsibility for it around to other countries.

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** It's an unwritten convention because heads-of-state hesitate to set the precedent of executing others. others, for fear of becoming targets themselves. After all, why risk your own life when you can both agree to let your armies fight for you? Capturing them and subjecting them to the process of a global trial first also lends legitimacy to the an execution, plus spreads the responsibility for it around to other countries.
11th Oct '17 2:39:21 PM Caswin
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* In Creator/FrankMiller's ''ComicBook/BatmanTheDarkKnightReturns'', Batman won't kill the Joker even though his grinning adversary has recently murdered ''a studio full of people, on live TV''. Earlier on, however, he has no hesitation about using a gang member as a HumanShield, and then turning that gangster's machine-gun on his buddies. Sure, the gangsters were bad but WTF, Miller?
13th Sep '17 11:28:56 AM Pegase
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* Actively [[DefiedTrope defied]] at the end of ''Comicbook/{{Empowered}}'' volume 2, in which the heroine earns a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming by showing she ''does'' care about a mook's family.

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* Actively [[DefiedTrope defied]] at the end of ''Comicbook/{{Empowered}}'' volume 2, in which the heroine earns a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming by showing she ''does'' care about a mook's family.family when she [[spoiler: saves the mook's life.]] This doubles as a CrowningMomentOfAwesome because she does this [[spoiler: by looking into his head with the special powers of her suit, seeing that he is very close to having a deadly stroke, and convincing him to go to the hospital to get surgery all while he's standing guard over (under) her as she is ''tied up and hanging from the ceiling upside down.'']] Needless to say, he and his family are very grateful.


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** It probably helps that her boyfriend, Thug Boy, used to make his living as the leader of the "Witless Minions" (although in his case that involved pretending to be a mook in order to rip off bad guys for their stuff rather than being a typical mook.) Also, this trope is played with in a dark way when [[spoiler: a flashback shows that the rest of the Witless Minions were horribly [[NightmareFuel murdered by Willy Pete]] right in front of Thug Boy, who only narrowly survived. Admittedly they didn't all get names, so the effect of their deaths on Thug Boy is more plot-relevant than their actual deaths, but the reader certainly feels very, very sorry for them.]]
10th Sep '17 6:40:22 AM ZimFan89
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* ''[[Fanfic/GuardiansWizardsAndKungFuFighters Guardians, Wizards and Kung-Fu Fighters]]'': During the Sack of Torus Filney, Will kills a Phobos soldier in self-defense, and then discovers that one of his comrades is his brother. Already in shock from having had to kill, she can only numbly protest mentally that mooks aren't supposed to have names or families, they're just supposed to be mooks.
30th Jul '17 11:38:29 AM TheSinful
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* Played with in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11577216/1/A-Horse-For-the-Force A Horse for the Force]]'' when Ranma notes that Jedi seem rather quick to kill their enemies despite being protectors rather than soldiers. After his observation is shared with others, several Jedi make a point of not killing enemy combatants, either using the Force to take them out or severing limbs with a lightsaber.
26th Jul '17 6:39:37 AM Piterpicher
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* ''SonicTheHedgehog2SpecialEdition'' reveals that one of the {{powerup}}s from Oil Ocean Zone was sapient. His name was Failure Cresh, and he had a thorough backstory involving being born with a ten-ring monitor for a head, and a HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood resulting from this. When the player destroys the monitor, the video pauses for a moment of silence--but it's obvious that the player himself is completely oblivious to the fact that he just killed a person.

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* ''SonicTheHedgehog2SpecialEdition'' ''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2SpecialEdition'' reveals that one of the {{powerup}}s from Oil Ocean Zone was sapient. His name was Failure Cresh, and he had a thorough backstory involving being born with a ten-ring monitor for a head, and a HilariouslyAbusiveChildhood resulting from this. When the player destroys the monitor, the video pauses for a moment of silence--but it's obvious that the player himself is completely oblivious to the fact that he just killed a person.
20th Jul '17 5:57:18 AM case
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When the hero confronts the BigBad, no matter his crimes, he will [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim spare him]], despite all logic being against it; however, when he kills a {{Mook}} who happens to be in his way, it's no big deal.

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When the hero confronts the BigBad, no matter his crimes, he will [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim spare him]], despite all logic being against it; however, when he kills a {{Mook}} who happens to be in his way, it's no big deal.
deal. In fact, an entire MookHorrorShow is just fine.



Sometimes it's [[HandWave justified(?)]] by the assumption that mooks are AlwaysChaoticEvil, though, as many examples show, entirely innocent GullibleLemmings are often gunned down, as well. Also, many works will attempt to [[JustifiedTrope justify]] this with MechaMooks, though depending where they lie on the SlidingScaleOfRobotIntelligence, the UnfortunateImplications may persist regardless. Another common way to justify it is to coincidentally put heroes or their friends into life-or-death situations against a Mook with no other choice but to kill them, while always giving them the luxury to spare the significant villains.



Subtrope of ProtagonistCenteredMorality. Compare WhatMeasureIsANonSuper, WhatMeasureIsANonUnique, and WhatMeasureIsANonHuman AMillionIsAStatistic can be this when applied to mooks in large numbers. Contrast ImmortalLifeIsCheap. PayEvilUntoEvil normally goes hand-in-hand with all this mookocide, often with sneers about the way mooks ''will'' go around JustFollowingOrders. Sometimes [[HandWave justified(?)]] by the assumption that mooks are AlwaysChaoticEvil, though, as many examples show, entirely innocent GullibleLemmings are often gunned down, as well. Also, many works will attempt to [[JustifiedTrope justify]] this with MechaMooks, though depending where they lie on the SlidingScaleOfRobotIntelligence, the UnfortunateImplications may persist regardless. BreakoutMookCharacter may be a subversion. MookHorrorShow is a popular SubTrope. In many works, it is justified by coincidentally being in a life-or-death situation with a Mook with no other choice, but always having the luxury to spare the significant villains.

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Subtrope of ProtagonistCenteredMorality. Compare WhatMeasureIsANonSuper, WhatMeasureIsANonUnique, and WhatMeasureIsANonHuman AMillionIsAStatistic can be this when applied to mooks in large numbers. Contrast ImmortalLifeIsCheap. PayEvilUntoEvil normally goes hand-in-hand with all this mookocide, often with sneers about the way mooks ''will'' go around JustFollowingOrders. Sometimes [[HandWave justified(?)]] by the assumption that mooks are AlwaysChaoticEvil, though, as many examples show, entirely innocent GullibleLemmings are often gunned down, as well. Also, many works will attempt to [[JustifiedTrope justify]] this with MechaMooks, though depending where they lie on the SlidingScaleOfRobotIntelligence, the UnfortunateImplications may persist regardless. BreakoutMookCharacter may be a subversion. MookHorrorShow is a popular SubTrope. In many works, it is justified by coincidentally being in a life-or-death situation with a Mook with no other choice, but always having the luxury to spare the significant villains.
See also: SparingTheAces.
25th Apr '17 3:12:54 AM 1810072342
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A common way to play this for BlackComedy is for the minion/monster to say 'Living is fun!' before the hero runs in and stabs them.
23rd Apr '17 9:21:29 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* Zigzagged in an early chapter of ''Fanfic/ShadowchasersTorment''. Dugan breaks into [[{{Yakuza}} Taka's]] penthouse and muscles through the mobster's bodyguards; he later sees that one of them seems to be hurt badly, and asks if he's okay. The guy claims he just has an ulcer, and when Dugan asks if having this sort of job is wise for someone with that problem, the guy brushes it aside and says he just does it part time. [[spoiler:Dugan smells a rat, and it turns out, he's right to be suspicious; the guy is actually spying on Taka for [[BigBad the Doomdreamers]].]]
12th Mar '17 8:15:08 PM Vir
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Subtrope of ProtagonistCenteredMorality. Compare WhatMeasureIsANonSuper, WhatMeasureIsANonUnique, and WhatMeasureIsANonHuman. AMillionIsAStatistic can be this when applied to mooks in large numbers. Contrast ImmortalLifeIsCheap. PayEvilUntoEvil normally goes hand-in-hand with all this mookocide, often with sneers about the way mooks ''will'' go around JustFollowingOrders. Sometimes [[HandWave justified(?)]] by the assumption that mooks are AlwaysChaoticEvil, though, as many examples show, entirely innocent GullibleLemmings are often gunned down, as well. Also, many works will attempt to [[JustifiedTrope justify]] this with MechaMooks, though depending where they lie on the SlidingScaleOfRobotIntelligence, the UnfortunateImplications may persist regardless. BreakoutMookCharacter may be a subversion. MookHorrorShow is a popular SubTrope. In many works, it is justified by coincidentally being in a life-or-death situation with a Mook with no other choice, but always having the luxury to spare the significant villains.

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Subtrope of ProtagonistCenteredMorality. Compare WhatMeasureIsANonSuper, WhatMeasureIsANonUnique, and WhatMeasureIsANonHuman. WhatMeasureIsANonHuman AMillionIsAStatistic can be this when applied to mooks in large numbers. Contrast ImmortalLifeIsCheap. PayEvilUntoEvil normally goes hand-in-hand with all this mookocide, often with sneers about the way mooks ''will'' go around JustFollowingOrders. Sometimes [[HandWave justified(?)]] by the assumption that mooks are AlwaysChaoticEvil, though, as many examples show, entirely innocent GullibleLemmings are often gunned down, as well. Also, many works will attempt to [[JustifiedTrope justify]] this with MechaMooks, though depending where they lie on the SlidingScaleOfRobotIntelligence, the UnfortunateImplications may persist regardless. BreakoutMookCharacter may be a subversion. MookHorrorShow is a popular SubTrope. In many works, it is justified by coincidentally being in a life-or-death situation with a Mook with no other choice, but always having the luxury to spare the significant villains.
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