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8th Jul '16 11:16:11 AM SomeoneElse17
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* Coming out of left field, "The World Famous" Wrestling/{{Kana}}, then on a mission to defeat Wrestling/YoshihiroTajiri and all the other "old men" of his SMASH promotion, wrote a "manifesto" on the Joshi half of Puroreso, emphasizing, among other things, a need to isolate every wrestler and dump the worthless ones after evaluating them all.

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* Coming out of left field, "The World Famous" Wrestling/{{Kana}}, Wrestling/{{Kana|koUrai}}, then on a mission to defeat Wrestling/YoshihiroTajiri and all the other "old men" of his SMASH promotion, wrote a "manifesto" on the Joshi half of Puroreso, emphasizing, among other things, a need to isolate every wrestler and dump the worthless ones after evaluating them all.
14th Jun '16 6:53:20 AM Shadowgazer
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Maybe [[FallenHero they started out with actions as good as their intentions]], but were [[DrivenToVillainy forced to take more extreme measures]]. Either way, it's a common end result of JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope. Their favorite phrase is IDidWhatIHadToDo -- unless they are also the TautologicalTemplar and believe that what they do is good because a good person like them does only good things. They are not afraid to [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning sacrifice themselves for the cause]].

On the extreme end, may result in a KnightTemplar who chooses to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill remove free will]], believing it the best way to save the world. They could also be a [[FallenHero fallen]] WideEyedIdealist that [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope was driven over the edge]], and sometimes a WorthyOpponent or even ReluctantWarrior. VigilanteMan is a case where the Well-Intentioned Extremist [[MotiveDecay hasn't (yet) descended]] to the point of not caring who gets hurt. Often ends up in rivalries with the KnightInSourArmor. Maybe they're ObliviouslyEvil and don't realise they're the bad guy, in which case they're prone to MyGodWhatHaveIDone and becoming wracked with guilt and horror if they're ever enlightened. Some of those seeking to bring about a OneWorldOrder to end international strife may count as this.

This can be a difficult line to walk: push too hard in one direction and you make it seem as if the extreme methods are acceptable; push too hard in the other and you run the risk of denying the validity of their initial cause, of arguing ''for'' oppression (for instance) instead of against it. When the balancing is done they more often than not tend to be either [[AntiVillain Anti-Villains]] or even dark [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]], especially if put more emphasis on the "well-intentioned" part than the "extremist" one. However there are some that are just straight-up villains, particularly if they are the other way around in terms of what they put more emphasis on, or if they are obviously just using their philosophy as a shallow excuse to commit evil. Another version of a darker villain being this trope is that they have an actual philosophy which they believe will "improve" the world but the philosophy itself is too obviously evil to garner any sympathy, such as is often the case with the MisanthropeSupreme and [[ANaziByAnyOtherName genocidal maniacs]].

Often, these characters are presented as more dangerous and terrifying than straight-up ForTheEvulz and TakeOverTheWorld types and with good reason: EvenEvilHasStandards does not usually apply to them. After all, if you think you're doing the right thing, then it's easy to consider [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans even the most horrific actions an acceptable compromise.]]

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Maybe [[FallenHero they started out with actions as good as their intentions]], but were [[DrivenToVillainy forced to take more extreme measures]]. Either way, it's a common end result of JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope. Their favorite phrase is IDidWhatIHadToDo -- unless they are also the TautologicalTemplar and believe that what they do is good because a good person like them does only good things. They are not afraid to [[MyDeathIsJustTheBeginning sacrifice themselves for the cause]].

IDidWhatIHadToDo.

On the extreme end, may result in a the even darker KnightTemplar who chooses to either [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill remove free will]], believing it the best way to save the world.world or destroy whoever he doesn't consider worthy enough to live. But in that case he has become something far worse and there isn't much logic about what he does. Unlike this, The Well-Intentioned Extremist isn't a punisher of all flaws and a dictator who argues with others and himself that he is good and therefore the others are bad, he actually realises that some of his victims don't deserve to die or suffer, but he remains firm that it is for the greater good and actually isn't ''entirely'' wrong. They could also be a [[FallenHero fallen]] WideEyedIdealist that [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope was driven over the edge]], and sometimes a WorthyOpponent or even ReluctantWarrior. VigilanteMan is a case where the Well-Intentioned Extremist [[MotiveDecay hasn't (yet) descended]] to the point of not caring who gets hurt. Often ends up in rivalries with the KnightInSourArmor. Maybe they're ObliviouslyEvil and don't realise they're the bad guy, in which case they're prone to MyGodWhatHaveIDone and becoming wracked with guilt and horror if they're ever enlightened. Some of those seeking to bring about a OneWorldOrder to end international strife may count as this.

This can be a difficult line to walk: push too hard in one direction and you make it seem as if the extreme methods are acceptable; push too hard in the other and you run the risk of denying the validity of their initial cause, of arguing ''for'' oppression (for instance) instead of against it. When the balancing is done they more often than not tend to be either [[AntiVillain Anti-Villains]] or even dark [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]], especially if put more emphasis on the "well-intentioned" part than the "extremist" one. However there are some that who seem like ones but in reality are [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist just straight-up villains, particularly if they are the other way around in terms of what they put more emphasis on, or on and if they are obviously just using their philosophy as a shallow excuse to commit evil.evil]]. Another version of a darker villain being this trope is that they have an actual philosophy which they believe will "improve" the world but the philosophy itself is too obviously evil to garner any sympathy, such as is often the case with the MisanthropeSupreme and [[ANaziByAnyOtherName genocidal maniacs]].

Often, these characters are presented as more dangerous and terrifying than some who are straight-up ForTheEvulz and TakeOverTheWorld types and with good reason: EvenEvilHasStandards does not usually apply to them.them, as it might be for some others. After all, if you think you're doing the right thing, then it's easy to consider [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans even the most horrific actions an acceptable compromise.]]
23rd May '16 1:52:17 PM PacificGreen
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As this trope often goes hand-in-hand with the FaceHeelTurn or may involve the reveal of a villain's true intentions, expect spoilers.

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As this trope often goes hand-in-hand with the FaceHeelTurn or may involve the reveal of a villain's true intentions, plans (or intentions), expect spoilers.
23rd May '16 1:49:59 PM PacificGreen
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As this trope often goes hand-in-hand with the FaceHeelTurn, expect spoilers.

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As this trope often goes hand-in-hand with the FaceHeelTurn, FaceHeelTurn or may involve the reveal of a villain's true intentions, expect spoilers.
30th Apr '16 9:57:09 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Coming out of left field, "The World Famous" Kana, then on a mission to defeat Wrestling/YoshihiroTajiri and all the other "old men" of his SMASH promotion, wrote a "manifesto" on the Joshi half of Puroreso, emphasizing, among other things, a need to isolate every wrestler and dump the worthless ones after evaluating them all.

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* Coming out of left field, "The World Famous" Kana, Wrestling/{{Kana}}, then on a mission to defeat Wrestling/YoshihiroTajiri and all the other "old men" of his SMASH promotion, wrote a "manifesto" on the Joshi half of Puroreso, emphasizing, among other things, a need to isolate every wrestler and dump the worthless ones after evaluating them all.
24th Mar '16 4:51:56 PM ANTMuddle
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One the extreme end, may result in a KnightTemplar who chooses to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill remove free will]], believing it the best way to save the world. They could also be a [[FallenHero fallen]] WideEyedIdealist that [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope was driven over the edge]], and sometimes a WorthyOpponent or even ReluctantWarrior. VigilanteMan is a case where the Well-Intentioned Extremist [[MotiveDecay hasn't (yet) descended]] to the point of not caring who gets hurt. Often ends up in rivalries with the KnightInSourArmor. Maybe they're ObliviouslyEvil and don't realise they're the bad guy, in which case they're prone to MyGodWhatHaveIDone and becoming wracked with guilt and horror if they're ever enlightened. Some of those seeking to bring about a OneWorldOrder to end international strife may count as this.

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One On the extreme end, may result in a KnightTemplar who chooses to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill remove free will]], believing it the best way to save the world. They could also be a [[FallenHero fallen]] WideEyedIdealist that [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope was driven over the edge]], and sometimes a WorthyOpponent or even ReluctantWarrior. VigilanteMan is a case where the Well-Intentioned Extremist [[MotiveDecay hasn't (yet) descended]] to the point of not caring who gets hurt. Often ends up in rivalries with the KnightInSourArmor. Maybe they're ObliviouslyEvil and don't realise they're the bad guy, in which case they're prone to MyGodWhatHaveIDone and becoming wracked with guilt and horror if they're ever enlightened. Some of those seeking to bring about a OneWorldOrder to end international strife may count as this.



Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If the positive intention is helping a friend- realizing things that said friend sees as immoral- the Well Intentioned Extremist will be an example of PoisonousFriend. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. This trope is what the SmallStepsHero desperately doesn't want to become.



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Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If the positive intention is helping a friend- realizing things that said friend sees as immoral- the Well Intentioned Extremist will be an example of PoisonousFriend. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. This trope is what the The SmallStepsHero desperately doesn't want wants to become.


avert this trope. The NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist has no such convictions.


10th Mar '16 5:37:46 AM MagBas
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Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If the positive intention is help a friend- realizing things that said friend sees as immoral- the Well Intentioned Extremist will be an example of PoisonousFriend. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. This trope is what the SmallStepsHero desperately doesn't want to become.



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Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If the positive intention is help helping a friend- realizing things that said friend sees as immoral- the Well Intentioned Extremist will be an example of PoisonousFriend. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. This trope is what the SmallStepsHero desperately doesn't want to become.


10th Mar '16 5:21:42 AM MagBas
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Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. This trope is what the SmallStepsHero desperately doesn't want to become.



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Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If the positive intention is help a friend- realizing things that said friend sees as immoral- the Well Intentioned Extremist will be an example of PoisonousFriend. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. This trope is what the SmallStepsHero desperately doesn't want to become.


5th Feb '16 7:47:24 AM MegaMarioMan
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[[VisionaryVillain A villain who has an overall goal]] which the heroes [[VillainHasAPoint can appreciate in principle]], but whose methods of pursuing said goal (such as mass murder) are [[DontShootTheMessage problematic]]; despite any sympathy they may have with his cause, the heroes have no choice but to stop him. Taken to extremes, he may fully believe that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. Such an idealistic extremist is likely to be either a TotalitarianUtilitarian or a PrinciplesZealot, depending on whether he's aiming ForHappiness or ForGreatJustice. The most well-written examples of this trope are the kind that the reader/viewer stops just short of agreeing with[[JustForFun/SyndicateQuestersUnitedAgainstDeviousness .]]

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[[VisionaryVillain A villain who has an overall goal]] which the heroes [[VillainHasAPoint can appreciate in principle]], but whose methods of pursuing said goal (such as mass murder) are [[DontShootTheMessage problematic]]; despite any sympathy they may have with his cause, the heroes have no choice but to stop him. Taken to extremes, he may fully believe that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. Such an idealistic extremist is likely to be either a TotalitarianUtilitarian or a PrinciplesZealot, depending on whether he's aiming ForHappiness or ForGreatJustice. The most well-written examples of this trope are the kind that the reader/viewer stops just short of agreeing with[[JustForFun/SyndicateQuestersUnitedAgainstDeviousness .]]
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5th Feb '16 1:06:55 AM Blue050645TL
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[[VisionaryVillain A villain who has an overall goal]] which the heroes [[VillainHasAPoint can appreciate in principle]], but whose methods of pursuing said goal (such as mass murder) are [[DontShootTheMessage problematic]]; despite any sympathy they may have with his cause, the heroes have no choice but to stop him. Taken to extremes, he may fully believe that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. Such an idealistic extremist is likely to be either a TotalitarianUtilitarian or a PrinciplesZealot, depending on whether he's aiming ForHappiness or ForGreatJustice. The most well-written examples of this trope are the kind that the reader/viewer stops just short of agreeing with.

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[[VisionaryVillain A villain who has an overall goal]] which the heroes [[VillainHasAPoint can appreciate in principle]], but whose methods of pursuing said goal (such as mass murder) are [[DontShootTheMessage problematic]]; despite any sympathy they may have with his cause, the heroes have no choice but to stop him. Taken to extremes, he may fully believe that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. Such an idealistic extremist is likely to be either a TotalitarianUtilitarian or a PrinciplesZealot, depending on whether he's aiming ForHappiness or ForGreatJustice. The most well-written examples of this trope are the kind that the reader/viewer stops just short of agreeing with.
with[[JustForFun/SyndicateQuestersUnitedAgainstDeviousness .]]
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