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24th Mar '16 4:51:56 PM ANTMuddle
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One the extreme end, may result in a KnightTemplar who chooses to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill remove free will]], believing it the best way to save the world. They could also be a [[FallenHero fallen]] WideEyedIdealist that [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope was driven over the edge]], and sometimes a WorthyOpponent or even ReluctantWarrior. VigilanteMan is a case where the Well-Intentioned Extremist [[MotiveDecay hasn't (yet) descended]] to the point of not caring who gets hurt. Often ends up in rivalries with the KnightInSourArmor. Maybe they're ObliviouslyEvil and don't realise they're the bad guy, in which case they're prone to MyGodWhatHaveIDone and becoming wracked with guilt and horror if they're ever enlightened. Some of those seeking to bring about a OneWorldOrder to end international strife may count as this.

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One On the extreme end, may result in a KnightTemplar who chooses to [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill remove free will]], believing it the best way to save the world. They could also be a [[FallenHero fallen]] WideEyedIdealist that [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope was driven over the edge]], and sometimes a WorthyOpponent or even ReluctantWarrior. VigilanteMan is a case where the Well-Intentioned Extremist [[MotiveDecay hasn't (yet) descended]] to the point of not caring who gets hurt. Often ends up in rivalries with the KnightInSourArmor. Maybe they're ObliviouslyEvil and don't realise they're the bad guy, in which case they're prone to MyGodWhatHaveIDone and becoming wracked with guilt and horror if they're ever enlightened. Some of those seeking to bring about a OneWorldOrder to end international strife may count as this.



Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If the positive intention is helping a friend- realizing things that said friend sees as immoral- the Well Intentioned Extremist will be an example of PoisonousFriend. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. This trope is what the SmallStepsHero desperately doesn't want to become.



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Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If the positive intention is helping a friend- realizing things that said friend sees as immoral- the Well Intentioned Extremist will be an example of PoisonousFriend. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. This trope is what the The SmallStepsHero desperately doesn't want wants to become.


avert this trope. The NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist has no such convictions.


10th Mar '16 5:37:46 AM MagBas
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Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If the positive intention is help a friend- realizing things that said friend sees as immoral- the Well Intentioned Extremist will be an example of PoisonousFriend. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. This trope is what the SmallStepsHero desperately doesn't want to become.



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Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If the positive intention is help helping a friend- realizing things that said friend sees as immoral- the Well Intentioned Extremist will be an example of PoisonousFriend. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. This trope is what the SmallStepsHero desperately doesn't want to become.


10th Mar '16 5:21:42 AM MagBas
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Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. This trope is what the SmallStepsHero desperately doesn't want to become.



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Compare with NecessarilyEvil, where the villain in question has a HeelRealization and recognizes that he deserves punishment (of course, he may always choose to just [[IgnoredEpiphany Ignore That Epiphany]]). See also ALighterShadeOfGrey. A staple trope of the MasterComputer [[AIIsACrapshoot gone mad]]. If the positive intention is overthrowing an evil government, the Well Intentioned Extremists will be an example of TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized. If the positive intention is help a friend- realizing things that said friend sees as immoral- the Well Intentioned Extremist will be an example of PoisonousFriend. If his extremism actually ''succeeds'' in making the world a better place, it's TheExtremistWasRight. This trope is what the SmallStepsHero desperately doesn't want to become.


5th Feb '16 7:47:24 AM MegaMarioMan
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[[VisionaryVillain A villain who has an overall goal]] which the heroes [[VillainHasAPoint can appreciate in principle]], but whose methods of pursuing said goal (such as mass murder) are [[DontShootTheMessage problematic]]; despite any sympathy they may have with his cause, the heroes have no choice but to stop him. Taken to extremes, he may fully believe that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. Such an idealistic extremist is likely to be either a TotalitarianUtilitarian or a PrinciplesZealot, depending on whether he's aiming ForHappiness or ForGreatJustice. The most well-written examples of this trope are the kind that the reader/viewer stops just short of agreeing with[[JustForFun/SyndicateQuestersUnitedAgainstDeviousness .]]

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[[VisionaryVillain A villain who has an overall goal]] which the heroes [[VillainHasAPoint can appreciate in principle]], but whose methods of pursuing said goal (such as mass murder) are [[DontShootTheMessage problematic]]; despite any sympathy they may have with his cause, the heroes have no choice but to stop him. Taken to extremes, he may fully believe that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. Such an idealistic extremist is likely to be either a TotalitarianUtilitarian or a PrinciplesZealot, depending on whether he's aiming ForHappiness or ForGreatJustice. The most well-written examples of this trope are the kind that the reader/viewer stops just short of agreeing with[[JustForFun/SyndicateQuestersUnitedAgainstDeviousness .]]
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5th Feb '16 1:06:55 AM Blue050645TL
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[[VisionaryVillain A villain who has an overall goal]] which the heroes [[VillainHasAPoint can appreciate in principle]], but whose methods of pursuing said goal (such as mass murder) are [[DontShootTheMessage problematic]]; despite any sympathy they may have with his cause, the heroes have no choice but to stop him. Taken to extremes, he may fully believe that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. Such an idealistic extremist is likely to be either a TotalitarianUtilitarian or a PrinciplesZealot, depending on whether he's aiming ForHappiness or ForGreatJustice. The most well-written examples of this trope are the kind that the reader/viewer stops just short of agreeing with.

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[[VisionaryVillain A villain who has an overall goal]] which the heroes [[VillainHasAPoint can appreciate in principle]], but whose methods of pursuing said goal (such as mass murder) are [[DontShootTheMessage problematic]]; despite any sympathy they may have with his cause, the heroes have no choice but to stop him. Taken to extremes, he may fully believe that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. Such an idealistic extremist is likely to be either a TotalitarianUtilitarian or a PrinciplesZealot, depending on whether he's aiming ForHappiness or ForGreatJustice. The most well-written examples of this trope are the kind that the reader/viewer stops just short of agreeing with.
with[[JustForFun/SyndicateQuestersUnitedAgainstDeviousness .]]
2nd Dec '15 9:33:34 PM Aspie
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Often, these characters are presented as more dangerous and terrifying than straight-up ForTheEvulz and TakeOverTheWorld types and with good reason: EvilEvilHasStandards does not usually apply to them. After all, if you think you're doing the right thing, then it's easy to consider [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans even the most horrific actions an acceptable compromise.]]

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Often, these characters are presented as more dangerous and terrifying than straight-up ForTheEvulz and TakeOverTheWorld types and with good reason: EvilEvilHasStandards EvenEvilHasStandards does not usually apply to them. After all, if you think you're doing the right thing, then it's easy to consider [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans even the most horrific actions an acceptable compromise.]]
2nd Dec '15 9:32:30 PM Aspie
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Often, these characters are presented as more dangerous and terrifying than straight-up ForTheEvulz and TakeOverTheWorld types and with good reason: EvilEvilHasStandards does not usually apply to them. After all, if you think you're doing the right thing, then it's easy to consider [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans even the most horrific actions an acceptable compromise.]]


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30th Nov '15 11:39:25 AM Bioshock
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This can be a difficult line to walk: push too hard in one direction and you make it seem as if the extreme methods are acceptable; push too hard in the other and you run the risk of denying the validity of their initial cause, of arguing ''for'' oppression (for instance) instead of against it. When the balancing is done they more often than not tend to be either [[AntiVillain Anti-Villains]] or even dark [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]], especially if put more emphasis on the "well-intentioned" part than the "extremist" one. However there are some that are just straight-up villains, particularly if they are the other way around in terms of what they put more emphasis on, or if they are obviously just using their philosophy as a shallow excuse to commit evil. Another version of a darker villain being this trope is that they have an actual philosophy but their philosophy is itself too obviously evil to garner any sympathy, such as is often the case with the MisanthropeSupreme and [[ANaziByAnyOtherName genocidal maniacs]].

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This can be a difficult line to walk: push too hard in one direction and you make it seem as if the extreme methods are acceptable; push too hard in the other and you run the risk of denying the validity of their initial cause, of arguing ''for'' oppression (for instance) instead of against it. When the balancing is done they more often than not tend to be either [[AntiVillain Anti-Villains]] or even dark [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]], especially if put more emphasis on the "well-intentioned" part than the "extremist" one. However there are some that are just straight-up villains, particularly if they are the other way around in terms of what they put more emphasis on, or if they are obviously just using their philosophy as a shallow excuse to commit evil. Another version of a darker villain being this trope is that they have an actual philosophy which they believe will "improve" the world but their the philosophy is itself is too obviously evil to garner any sympathy, such as is often the case with the MisanthropeSupreme and [[ANaziByAnyOtherName genocidal maniacs]].
30th Nov '15 11:36:33 AM Bioshock
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This can be a difficult line to walk: push too hard in one direction and you make it seem as if the extreme methods are acceptable; push too hard in the other and you run the risk of denying the validity of their initial cause, of arguing ''for'' oppression (for instance) instead of against it.

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This can be a difficult line to walk: push too hard in one direction and you make it seem as if the extreme methods are acceptable; push too hard in the other and you run the risk of denying the validity of their initial cause, of arguing ''for'' oppression (for instance) instead of against it. When the balancing is done they more often than not tend to be either [[AntiVillain Anti-Villains]] or even dark [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]], especially if put more emphasis on the "well-intentioned" part than the "extremist" one. However there are some that are just straight-up villains, particularly if they are the other way around in terms of what they put more emphasis on, or if they are obviously just using their philosophy as a shallow excuse to commit evil. Another version of a darker villain being this trope is that they have an actual philosophy but their philosophy is itself too obviously evil to garner any sympathy, such as is often the case with the MisanthropeSupreme and [[ANaziByAnyOtherName genocidal maniacs]].
5th Sep '15 10:12:58 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Coming out of left field, "The World Famous" Kana, then on a mission to defeat Wrestling/YoshihiroTajiri and all the other "old men" of his SMASH promotion, wrote a "manifesto" on the Joshi half of Puroreso, emphasizing, among other things, a need to isolate every wrestler and dump the worthless ones after evaluating them all.
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