History Main / WeHAveReserves

23rd Sep '16 4:12:30 AM Morgenthaler
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** It's about a French general in WorldWarI ordering a desperate plan to at long last break through the German lines, knowing full well the attack is certain to kill most of the men used in it (he even has the statistically probable numbers worked out). And he's doing it mainly to earn a promotion.

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** It's about a French general in WorldWarI UsefulNotes/WorldWarI ordering a desperate plan to at long last break through the German lines, knowing full well the attack is certain to kill most of the men used in it (he even has the statistically probable numbers worked out). And he's doing it mainly to earn a promotion.
15th Sep '16 1:36:29 AM PaulA
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* Interesting subversion in ''EndersGame''. Ender, nearing a mental breakdown from stress, is given a wargame situation where the enemy outnumber his forces 1,000 to 1. [[spoiler:Trying to be removed from the strain, he orders a suicide mission that destroys the enemy homeworld... except the simulations he's trained with since graduating from Battle School haven't been simulations at all, and he's sent almost the entire attack force on a suicide mission that destroys the enemy home planet. When this is revealed to him, he lapses into a coma.]]

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* Interesting subversion in ''EndersGame''.''Literature/EndersGame''. Ender, nearing a mental breakdown from stress, is given a wargame situation where the enemy outnumber his forces 1,000 to 1. [[spoiler:Trying to be removed from the strain, he orders a suicide mission that destroys the enemy homeworld... except the simulations he's trained with since graduating from Battle School haven't been simulations at all, and he's sent almost the entire attack force on a suicide mission that destroys the enemy home planet. When this is revealed to him, he lapses into a coma.]]



** In ''Shadow of the Hegemon'', this is the strategy used by [[spoiler:the Indian army when invading Burma]], and everybody is quick to point out how stupid it is. Just because [[spoiler:you have the world's largest army]] doesn't mean your supply lines are up to the task, especially if the enemy keeps harassing them. This is all part of the BigBad's EvilPlan in order to [[spoiler:allow China to strike and take India in under a week]] before proceeding to take [[spoiler:Thailand]]. Strangely, the book takes the AdultsAreUseless approach, with no adult seeing how bad this strategy is.
* Jaime Lannister of ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' may be trying to go the route of TheAtoner, but when he finds himself caught between two oaths he means to keep (never raising arms against a certain family, and as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, ending that family's defiance of the King), he tries to TakeAThirdOption and convince the enemy lord to surrender without a battle by giving a ToThePain speech full of how he'll win due to We Have Reserves.

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** In ''Shadow of the Hegemon'', ''Literature/ShadowOfTheHegemon'', this is the strategy used by [[spoiler:the Indian army when invading Burma]], and everybody is quick to point out how stupid it is. Just because [[spoiler:you have the world's largest army]] doesn't mean your supply lines are up to the task, especially if the enemy keeps harassing them. This is all part of the BigBad's EvilPlan in order to [[spoiler:allow China to strike and take India in under a week]] before proceeding to take [[spoiler:Thailand]]. Strangely, the book takes the AdultsAreUseless approach, with no adult seeing how bad this strategy is.
* Jaime Lannister of ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' may be trying to go the route of TheAtoner, but when he finds himself caught between two oaths he means to keep (never raising arms against a certain family, and as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, ending that family's defiance of the King), he tries to TakeAThirdOption and convince the enemy lord to surrender without a battle by giving a ToThePain speech full of how he'll win due to We Have Reserves.
13th Sep '16 9:23:21 PM Dravencour
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There are a lot of ways to have a character KickTheDog or cross the MoralEventHorizon. In a war movie or battle sequence, if you want to show that a general, king, or [[ArmchairMilitary commander]] is evil (really evil, not a PunchClockVillain and way beyond a DesignatedVillain), all you have to do is show his casual (or utter!) disregard for the lives of his own troops by [[SuicideMission either knowingly ordering them into certain slaughter or giving an order that directly results in their deaths]]. Retreat is, of course, forbidden; he expects AttackAttackAttack without a second thought, and a LastStand before retreat. (And he usually does it from perfect safety.) GeneralFailure will often upgrade this from a last resort to his preferred tactic.

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There are a lot of ways to have a character KickTheDog or cross the MoralEventHorizon. In a war movie or battle sequence, if you want to show that a general, king, or [[ArmchairMilitary commander]] is evil (really evil, not a PunchClockVillain and way beyond a DesignatedVillain), all you have to do is show his casual (or utter!) disregard casual--if not ''complete''--disregard for the lives of his own troops by [[SuicideMission either knowingly ordering them into certain slaughter or giving an order that directly results in their deaths]]. Retreat is, of course, forbidden; he expects AttackAttackAttack without a second thought, and a LastStand before retreat. (And he usually does it from perfect safety.) GeneralFailure will often upgrade this from a last resort to his preferred tactic.
11th Sep '16 5:36:23 PM scaredinmate#94
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* In ''Literature/{{Gate}}'', Emperor Molt and Empire officials in general say they will sacrifice as many men as needed to achieve victory, and call the JSDF [[VirtueIsWeakness weak for not being willing to sacrifice anyone]].
19th Aug '16 3:46:21 AM Shadowgazer
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* ''Series/{{Blackadder}}'': this is outright stated to be the entire basis of British tactics in the First World War. Bonus Bastard Points for the instructions, "Climb out of the trench and walk very slowly towards the enemy," the phrase "Operation Certain Death", the apparent fact that it's taken Field Marshall Haig three years to realise that, "Everyone gets killed in the first ten seconds," and the portrayal of Haig formulating his battle plans in the last episode by setting up toy soldiers on a table and sweeping them off. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And lets avoid making comparisons between this fictional portrayal and the real life Haig]].

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* ''Series/{{Blackadder}}'': this is outright stated to be the entire basis of British tactics in the First World War. [[KickTheDog Bonus Bastard Points Points]] for the instructions, "Climb out of the trench and walk very slowly towards the enemy," the phrase "Operation Certain Death", the apparent fact that it's taken Field Marshall Haig three years to realise that, "Everyone gets killed in the first ten seconds," and the portrayal of Haig formulating his battle plans in the last episode by setting up toy soldiers on a table and sweeping them off. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And lets avoid making comparisons between this fictional portrayal and the real life Haig]].
18th Aug '16 8:14:17 PM PaulA
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* Emperor Ezar Vorbarra in the ''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'' has this mindset and takes this trope a step further -- he has the army mount a hopeless, bloody attack on another planet in order to get his insane son killed off without anyone suspecting assassination, as well as stamp out the more warmonger political factions in general. Too bad about all of the ''other'' soldiers who were killed ...

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* Emperor Ezar Vorbarra in the ''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'' ''Literature/ShardsOfHonor'' has this mindset and takes this trope a step further -- he has the army mount a hopeless, bloody attack on another planet in order to get his insane son killed off without anyone suspecting assassination, as well as stamp out the more warmonger political factions in general. Too bad about all of the ''other'' soldiers who were killed ...
15th Aug '16 1:48:35 PM DavidCowie
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* ''Armageddon: The Battle for Germany 1944-45'' by Max Hastings. The Soviet commanders Konev and Zhukov were racing each other to Berlin. According to Hastings, Zhukov won because he was more willing to spend his soldiers' lives for his own glory.
--> The capture of Berlin displayed outstanding generalship by Konev, not by Zhukov. In his yearning for glory and in his desperation to satisfy Stalin, 1st Belorussian Frontís commander battered the enemy into submission through human sacrifice, not manoeuvre.
14th Aug '16 4:03:39 PM nombretomado
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* This is Freeza's MO in DragonBallZAbridged. While he does show concern for his higher level men (even planning to send gifts to the Ginyu Force's family), his lower level men... not so much. In his first on-screen attack, he shows indifference when the Namekians are slaughtering his troops, but panics when they start targeting his equipment. Once he reaches Earth, he even kills his last henchman for no real reason. This infuriates his father not because of the loss of life or the senselessness of it, but because now they have no one to fly them home (flying is for the help).

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* This is Freeza's MO in DragonBallZAbridged.WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged. While he does show concern for his higher level men (even planning to send gifts to the Ginyu Force's family), his lower level men... not so much. In his first on-screen attack, he shows indifference when the Namekians are slaughtering his troops, but panics when they start targeting his equipment. Once he reaches Earth, he even kills his last henchman for no real reason. This infuriates his father not because of the loss of life or the senselessness of it, but because now they have no one to fly them home (flying is for the help).
11th Aug '16 4:31:22 AM Morgenthaler
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* [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution Revolutionary]] {{France}}, according to historian Eugen Weber, was the first Western power to recruit conscripts in large numbers. The traditional file of well-trained soldiers went out in favor of massive columns of ill-trained soldiers, and French generals did not hesitate to throw them at the enemy under heavy fire, beginning what Weber called "The Gun Fodder Era." When you have a whole country of potential conscripts as your reserves, you can afford to lose many more soldiers than those that have to pay a professional army.

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* [[UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution Revolutionary]] {{France}}, UsefulNotes/{{France}}, according to historian Eugen Weber, was the first Western power to recruit conscripts in large numbers. The traditional file of well-trained soldiers went out in favor of massive columns of ill-trained soldiers, and French generals did not hesitate to throw them at the enemy under heavy fire, beginning what Weber called "The Gun Fodder Era." When you have a whole country of potential conscripts as your reserves, you can afford to lose many more soldiers than those that have to pay a professional army.
8th Aug '16 9:38:39 AM TheWanderer
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': similar to Longshanks in ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'', Ramsay Bolton ([[BigBad the main human villain of seasons 5 and 6]]) repeatedly orders his own archers to fire volleys when his own men are directly engaging Jon Snow's army, knowing full well his own men will be hit by them along with Jon's. Unlike Longshanks however, he is defeated in the battle, and it's due at least in part to using this trope. Ordering his bowmen to fire into the melee results in Ramsay wiping out his own cavalry, which later leaves his infantry vulnerable when [[TheCavalry mounted reinforcements]] come to help the good guys.
** On the more heroic side, Robb Stark's first major battle is won after he lures Tywin Lannister away with a tenth of his force knowing that he has the numbers to overwhelm Jaime Lannister.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': similar ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
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to Longshanks in ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'', Ramsay Bolton ([[BigBad the main human villain of seasons 5 and 6]]) repeatedly orders his own archers to fire volleys when his own men are directly engaging Jon Snow's army, knowing full well his own men will be hit by them along with Jon's. Unlike Longshanks however, he is defeated in the battle, and it's due at least in part to using this trope. Ordering his bowmen to fire into the melee results in Ramsay wiping out his own cavalry, which later leaves his infantry vulnerable when [[TheCavalry mounted reinforcements]] come to help the good guys.
** On the more heroic side, Robb Stark's first major battle is won after he lures Tywin Lannister away with a tenth of his force knowing that this tenth is certain to be slaughtered. Robb does this because he has the numbers to knows that with Tywin's army distracted he can overwhelm Jaime Lannister.the smaller army led by Tywin's son Jaime.
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