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23rd Apr '18 2:15:22 AM LondonKdS
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* In the ''1923'' flashback issue of ''ComicBook/TheWickedAndTheDivine'', it is revealed that the 1930s dictatorships and hence World War II were at least partly the result of a ritual by three particularly elitist and anti-democratic members of the Pantheon ([[spoiler:Baal, based on T S Eliot, Set, based on Virginia Woolf, and Woden, based on Josef Goebbels]]) intended to set Earth's history on a path that would be agreeable to them.
20th Apr '18 6:12:47 PM Kazrak
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* Another Creator/JamesPHogan book, ''The Proteus Operation'', has it that in himself Hitler did not amount to much - the Beerhall Putch fiasco in 1923 was the peak of his career and in the "original timeline" and he faded into obscurity after some years in prison. The world went on to prosper, the League of Nations was a great success and went on to unify the world, eliminate war and reduce the gap between rich and poor in a worldwide social democratic utopia. But the people who didn't like losing power and privilege went back in time, funded and advised Hitler into power, and in 1942 provided him nuclear bombs to conquer Russia - but when the privileged and powerful people of the future got ready to pack their bags and go to the nice spot which they prepared for themselves in the past, Hitler cut the line and kept the power to himself, engaging in further conquest and genocide in Africa. Then, in the 1970's President John Kennedy in the US, knowing that nuclear war with Germany and Japan was a just a matter of time, that the US was likely to lose and that in any case there will not be much left of the world, sent his own team into the past - whose interference created the world we live in.

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* Another Creator/JamesPHogan book, ''The Proteus Operation'', ''Literature/TheProteusOperation'', has it that in himself Hitler did not amount to much - the Beerhall Putch fiasco in 1923 was the peak of his career and in the "original timeline" and he faded into obscurity after some years in prison. The world went on to prosper, the League of Nations was a great success and went on to unify the world, eliminate war and reduce the gap between rich and poor in a worldwide social democratic utopia. But the people who didn't like losing power and privilege went back in time, funded and advised Hitler into power, and in 1942 provided him nuclear bombs to conquer Russia - but when the privileged and powerful people of the future got ready to pack their bags and go to the nice spot which they prepared for themselves in the past, Hitler cut the line and kept the power to himself, engaging in further conquest and genocide in Africa. Then, in the 1970's President John Kennedy in the US, knowing that nuclear war with Germany and Japan was a just a matter of time, that the US was likely to lose and that in any case there will not be much left of the world, sent his own team into the past - whose interference created the world we live in.
6th Apr '18 4:42:56 PM LondonKdS
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* The ''ComicBook/WormwoodGentlemanCorpse'' arc "Mr. Wormwood Goes to Washington" casually mentions that the Third Reich was due to mass possession of its leadership by a malevolent extra-dimensional parasite species known as the Ghorass Fungus.
26th Mar '18 7:10:36 AM IdumeanPatriot
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* In ''Literature/TheShadowspawn'', [[{{dhampir}} vampiric race admixture]] is the explanation for the ruthlessness, high intelligence, nocturnal habits and [[BornLucky uncanny luck]] of many historical dictators: they are just enough vampire to have some low-key magic and typical mental characteristics, though not enough to hunt for blood. Hitler is said to be one example, with such abilities helping him survive his dangerous duties in World War I and later aiding his rise to power. Mildly subverted, in this instance, in that Hitler wasn't either a conscious vampire scion or in any way in on the vampires' [[TheConspiracy massive global conspiracy]] that secretly rules the world; if anything, he actually fought ''against'' it, with the Western Allied nations and the Communist USSR being its firmest strongholds during World War II. He just had some unusual abilities and talents that helped him pursue his own objectives.
29th Jan '18 6:21:56 PM GrigorII
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The trope can obviously overlap with StupidJetpackHitler and/or {{Ghostapo}}. Expect this to happen in a WeirdHistoricalWar set in WWII.

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The trope can obviously overlap with StupidJetpackHitler and/or {{Ghostapo}}. Expect this to happen in a WeirdHistoricalWar set in WWII.
WWII. If the villain was TheDragon for Hitler, but Hitler himself remains more or less the same as the historical one, see PiggybackingOnHitler.
28th Dec '17 12:24:33 PM Kazrak
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* Another James P. Hogan book, ''The Proteus Operation'', has it that in himself Hitler did not amount to much - the Beerhall Putch fiasco in 1923 was the peak of his career and in the "original timeline" and he faded into obscurity after some years in prison. The world went on to prosper, the League of Nations was a great success and went on to unify the world, eliminate war and reduce the gap between rich and poor in a worldwide social democratic utopia. But the people who didn't like losing power and privilege went back in time, funded and advised Hitler into power, and in 1942 provided him nuclear bombs to conquer Russia - but when the privileged and powerful people of the future got ready to pack their bags and go to the nice spot which they prepared for themselves in the past, Hitler cut the line and kept the power to himself, engaging in further conquest and genocide in Africa. Then, in the 1970's President John Kennedy in the US, knowing that nuclear war with Germany and Japan was a just a matter of time, that the US was likely to lose and that in any case there will not be much left of the world, sent his own team into the past - whose interference created the world we live in.

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* Another James P. Hogan Creator/JamesPHogan book, ''The Proteus Operation'', has it that in himself Hitler did not amount to much - the Beerhall Putch fiasco in 1923 was the peak of his career and in the "original timeline" and he faded into obscurity after some years in prison. The world went on to prosper, the League of Nations was a great success and went on to unify the world, eliminate war and reduce the gap between rich and poor in a worldwide social democratic utopia. But the people who didn't like losing power and privilege went back in time, funded and advised Hitler into power, and in 1942 provided him nuclear bombs to conquer Russia - but when the privileged and powerful people of the future got ready to pack their bags and go to the nice spot which they prepared for themselves in the past, Hitler cut the line and kept the power to himself, engaging in further conquest and genocide in Africa. Then, in the 1970's President John Kennedy in the US, knowing that nuclear war with Germany and Japan was a just a matter of time, that the US was likely to lose and that in any case there will not be much left of the world, sent his own team into the past - whose interference created the world we live in.
9th Dec '17 9:07:20 AM TheNerevarine
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* ''ComicBook/FlashGordonZeitgeist'': Adolf Hitler is a puppet to Emperor Ming of Mongo, who is backing the Nazis to take over the Earth and rule it in his name. Granted, this series is set in a [[AlternateHistory alternate timeline]]

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* ''ComicBook/FlashGordonZeitgeist'': Adolf Hitler is a puppet to Emperor Ming of Mongo, who is backing the Nazis to take over the Earth and rule it in his name. Granted, this series is set in a [[AlternateHistory alternate timeline]]timeline]] and the planet Mongo serves as a portal to TheMultiverse, meaning Ming just influenced a different Earth than ours.
4th Dec '17 12:11:36 AM PaulA
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* ''Film/{{Downfall}}'' took some criticism in Germany for portraying Hitler as a flawed and broken human. The director actually invoked this trope in his defense: if we continue to act like Hitler was some alien monster teleported to Earth to do [[BuffySpeak very bad stuff]], we as a nation and a race are never going to learn from the past.

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* ''Film/{{Downfall}}'' took some criticism in Germany for portraying Hitler as a flawed and broken human. The director actually invoked this trope in his defense: if we continue to act like Hitler was some alien monster teleported to Earth to do [[BuffySpeak very bad stuff]], stuff, we as a nation and a race are never going to learn from the past.
3rd Dec '17 1:43:32 PM TheNerevarine
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* ''ComicBook/FlashGordonZeitgeist'': Adolf Hitler is a puppet to Emperor Ming of Mongo, who is backing the Nazis to take over the Earth and rule it in his name. Granted, this series is set in a [[AlternateHistory alternate timeline]]



* ''Film/{{Downfall}}'' took some criticism in Germany for portraying Hitler as a flawed and broken human. The director actually invoked this trope in his defense: if we continue to act like Hitler was some alien monster teleported to earth to do [[BuffySpeak very bad stuff]], we as a nation and a race are never going to learn from the past.

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* ''Film/{{Downfall}}'' took some criticism in Germany for portraying Hitler as a flawed and broken human. The director actually invoked this trope in his defense: if we continue to act like Hitler was some alien monster teleported to earth Earth to do [[BuffySpeak very bad stuff]], we as a nation and a race are never going to learn from the past.
22nd Nov '17 7:22:25 PM PaulA
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* Played with in the Literature/DoctorWhoNewAdventures novel ''Timewyrm: Exodus'', where Hitler separately receives covert assistance from two different groups of aliens attempting to further their own ends -- but neither is able to control him, and what he does with their assistance is all entirely his own idea.

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* Played with in the Literature/DoctorWhoNewAdventures novel ''Timewyrm: Exodus'', ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoNewAdventuresTimewyrmExodus Timewyrm: Exodus]]'', where Hitler separately receives covert assistance from two different groups of aliens attempting to further their own ends -- but neither is able to control him, and what he does with their assistance is all entirely his own idea.
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