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30th Dec '15 2:49:33 PM MarkLungo
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In German-speaking fandom of Disney's Duck comics, the two ways of analyzing the stories are called ''Donaldismus literaricus'' (which treats the work of Carl Barks and others as works of art and literature) and ''Donaldismus archaeologicus'' (which treats them as factual reports from the Earth-like planet called ''Stella Anatium'' - the Star of the Ducks). In the D.O.N.A.L.D. (''Deutsche Organisation Nichtkommerzieller Anhänger des lauteren Donaldismus'' = German Organization of Non-Commercial Adherents of True Donaldism) the latter tends to dominate. Franchise/DonaldDuck comics are SeriousBusiness, definitely.

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In the German-speaking fandom of Disney's Duck comics, the ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse, the two ways of analyzing the stories are called ''Donaldismus literaricus'' (which treats the work of Carl Barks Creator/CarlBarks and others as works of art and literature) and ''Donaldismus archaeologicus'' (which treats them as factual reports from the Earth-like planet called ''Stella Anatium'' - the Star of the Ducks). In the D.O.N.A.L.D. (''Deutsche Organisation Nichtkommerzieller Anhänger des lauteren Donaldismus'' = German Organization of Non-Commercial Adherents of True Donaldism) the latter tends to dominate. Franchise/DonaldDuck comics are SeriousBusiness, definitely.
30th Dec '15 2:47:45 PM MarkLungo
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The terms reference SherlockHolmes: Watsonian commentary relates to the [[LiteraryAgentHypothesis in-universe author]] Dr. Watson, while Doylist commentary relates to the RealLife author Arthur Conan Doyle. However, they seem to have originated (or at least been popularized) on the [[LoisMcMasterBujold Bujold]] fan mailing list.

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The terms reference SherlockHolmes: ''Literature/SherlockHolmes'': Watsonian commentary relates to the [[LiteraryAgentHypothesis in-universe author]] Dr. Watson, while Doylist commentary relates to the RealLife author Arthur Conan Doyle. Creator/ArthurConanDoyle. However, they seem to have originated (or at least been popularized) on the [[LoisMcMasterBujold Bujold]] Creator/LoisMcMasterBujold fan mailing list.
30th Dec '15 2:46:07 PM MarkLungo
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->''There are ''no'' inconsistencies in the Literature/{{Discworld}} books; occasionally, however, there are alternate pasts.''

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->''There ->''"There are ''no'' inconsistencies in the Literature/{{Discworld}} ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' books; occasionally, however, there are alternate pasts.''"''



->''Maybe the Patrician in ''Discworld/TheColourOfMagic'' was Vetinari, but written by a more stupid writer?''

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->''Maybe ->''"Maybe the Patrician in ''Discworld/TheColourOfMagic'' was Vetinari, but written by a more stupid writer?''writer?"''



In German-speaking fandom of Disney's Duck comics, the two ways of analyzing the stories are called ''Donaldismus literaricus'' (which treats the work of Carl Barks and others as works of art and literature) and ''Donaldismus archaeologicus'' (which treats them as factual reports from the Earth-like planet called ''Stella Anatium'' - the Star of the Ducks). In the D.O.N.A.L.D. (''Deutsche Organisation Nichtkommerzieller Anhänger des lauteren Donaldismus'' = German Organization of Non-Commercial Adherents of True Donaldism) the latter tends to dominate. DonaldDuck comics are SeriousBusiness, definitely.

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In German-speaking fandom of Disney's Duck comics, the two ways of analyzing the stories are called ''Donaldismus literaricus'' (which treats the work of Carl Barks and others as works of art and literature) and ''Donaldismus archaeologicus'' (which treats them as factual reports from the Earth-like planet called ''Stella Anatium'' - the Star of the Ducks). In the D.O.N.A.L.D. (''Deutsche Organisation Nichtkommerzieller Anhänger des lauteren Donaldismus'' = German Organization of Non-Commercial Adherents of True Donaldism) the latter tends to dominate. DonaldDuck Franchise/DonaldDuck comics are SeriousBusiness, definitely.
25th Aug '15 8:50:57 PM Gideoncrawle
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->''There are ''no'' inconsistencies in the Literature/{{Discworld}} books; occasionally, however, [[NoExceptYes there are alternate pasts]].''

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->''There are ''no'' inconsistencies in the Literature/{{Discworld}} books; occasionally, however, [[NoExceptYes there are alternate pasts]].pasts.''



->''Maybe [[[CharacterizationMarchesOn the Patrician]] in ''Discworld/TheColourOfMagic''] was Vetinari, but written by [[SelfDeprecation a more stupid writer?]]''

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->''Maybe [[[CharacterizationMarchesOn the Patrician]] Patrician in ''Discworld/TheColourOfMagic''] ''Discworld/TheColourOfMagic'' was Vetinari, but written by [[SelfDeprecation a more stupid writer?]]''writer?''
18th May '14 1:10:19 PM LondonKdS
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A modern example might be the proliferation of RubberForeheadAliens in ''Franchise/StarTrek''. It is revealed in a ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode that an ancient humanoid race "seeded" the galaxy with their genes, thereby causing humanoid intelligent life to evolve independently throughout the Milky Way. This is the Watsonian explanation. The Doylist explanation is that RubberForeheadAliens are cheap to produce, require relatively little imagination, allow for the audiences to sympathize with alien characters, etc. (And budget was always a concern for ''Franchise/StarTrek''; when Klingons first exhibited the RubberForeheadAliens trope it was an ''improvement'' on their previous make-up!)

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A modern example might be the proliferation of RubberForeheadAliens in ''Franchise/StarTrek''. It is revealed in a ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode that an ancient humanoid race "seeded" the galaxy with their genes, thereby causing humanoid intelligent life to evolve independently throughout the Milky Way. This is the Watsonian explanation. The Doylist explanation is that RubberForeheadAliens are cheap to produce, require relatively little imagination, allow for the audiences audience to sympathize with easily read the emotions of alien characters, etc. (And budget was always a concern for ''Franchise/StarTrek''; when Klingons first exhibited the RubberForeheadAliens trope it was an ''improvement'' on their previous make-up!)
1st Sep '13 10:42:34 AM Specialist290
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2nd May '13 11:17:59 PM Rabukurafuto
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A modern example might be the proliferation of RubberForeheadAliens in ''Franchise/StarTrek''. It is revealed in a Next Generation episode that an ancient humanoid race "seeded" the galaxy with their genes, thereby causing humanoid intelligent life to evolve independently throughout the Milky Way. This is the Watsonian explanation. The Doylist explanation is that RubberForeheadAliens are cheap to produce, require relatively little imagination, allow for the audiences to sympathize with alien characters, etc. (And budget was always a concern for ''Franchise/StarTrek''; when Klingons first exhibited the RubberForeheadAliens trope it was an ''improvement'' on their previous make-up!)

When PlayingWithATrope, note that sometimes a Doylist explanation is interjected purposely into a narrative; for example, in Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail the Knights of the Round Table (or what is left of them) are chased by the Legendary Black Beast of "AAAAAAAARGH" in the common surreal Creator/TerryGilliam style transitional animation, and are eventually cornered with no chance to escape. What saves them? The animator suffers from a fatal heart attack. On a less absurdist note, the LiteraryAgentHypothesis is a way of smuggling Doylist explanations into a Watsonian paradigm by introducing a fictional author. And finally, most creators don't stick to strictly one interpretation, as the pagequotes from [=PTerry=] suggest.

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A modern example might be the proliferation of RubberForeheadAliens in ''Franchise/StarTrek''. It is revealed in a Next Generation ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode that an ancient humanoid race "seeded" the galaxy with their genes, thereby causing humanoid intelligent life to evolve independently throughout the Milky Way. This is the Watsonian explanation. The Doylist explanation is that RubberForeheadAliens are cheap to produce, require relatively little imagination, allow for the audiences to sympathize with alien characters, etc. (And budget was always a concern for ''Franchise/StarTrek''; when Klingons first exhibited the RubberForeheadAliens trope it was an ''improvement'' on their previous make-up!)

When PlayingWithATrope, note that sometimes a Doylist explanation is interjected purposely into a narrative; for example, in Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail ''Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail'' the Knights of the Round Table (or what is left of them) are chased by the Legendary Black Beast of "AAAAAAAARGH" in the common surreal Creator/TerryGilliam style transitional animation, and are eventually cornered with no chance to escape. What saves them? The animator suffers from a fatal heart attack. On a less absurdist note, the LiteraryAgentHypothesis is a way of smuggling Doylist explanations into a Watsonian paradigm by introducing a fictional author. And finally, most creators don't stick to strictly one interpretation, as the pagequotes from [=PTerry=] suggest.
17th Mar '13 1:02:41 PM EditorPallMall
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A modern example might be the proliferation of RubberForeheadAliens in ''Franchise/StarTrek''. It is revealed in a Next Generation episode that an ancient humanoid race "seeded" the galaxy with their genes, thereby causing humanoid intelligent life to evolve independently throughout the Milky Way. This is the Watsonian explanation. The Doylist explanation is that RubberForeheadAliens are cheap to produce, require relatively little imagination, allow for the audiences to sympathize with alien characters, etc. (And budget was always a concern for ''Franchise/StarTrek''; when Klingons first exhibited the RubberForeheadAliens trope it was an ''improvement'' on [[UnfortunateImplications their previous make-up]]!)

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A modern example might be the proliferation of RubberForeheadAliens in ''Franchise/StarTrek''. It is revealed in a Next Generation episode that an ancient humanoid race "seeded" the galaxy with their genes, thereby causing humanoid intelligent life to evolve independently throughout the Milky Way. This is the Watsonian explanation. The Doylist explanation is that RubberForeheadAliens are cheap to produce, require relatively little imagination, allow for the audiences to sympathize with alien characters, etc. (And budget was always a concern for ''Franchise/StarTrek''; when Klingons first exhibited the RubberForeheadAliens trope it was an ''improvement'' on [[UnfortunateImplications their previous make-up]]!)
make-up!)
9th Feb '13 9:15:58 AM RookEncounte
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A modern example might be the proliferation of RubberForeheadAliens in ''Franchise/StarTrek''. It is revealed in a Next Generation episode that an ancient humanoid race "seeded" the galaxy with their genes, thereby causing humanoid intelligent life to evolve independently throughout the Milky Way. This is the Watsonian explanation. The Doylist explanation is that RubberForeheadAliens are cheap to produce, require relatively little imagination, allow for the audiences to sympathize with alien characters, etc. (And budget was always a concern for ''Franchise/StarTrek''; when Klingons first exhibited the RubberForeheadAliens trope it was an ''improvement'' on their previous make-up!)

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A modern example might be the proliferation of RubberForeheadAliens in ''Franchise/StarTrek''. It is revealed in a Next Generation episode that an ancient humanoid race "seeded" the galaxy with their genes, thereby causing humanoid intelligent life to evolve independently throughout the Milky Way. This is the Watsonian explanation. The Doylist explanation is that RubberForeheadAliens are cheap to produce, require relatively little imagination, allow for the audiences to sympathize with alien characters, etc. (And budget was always a concern for ''Franchise/StarTrek''; when Klingons first exhibited the RubberForeheadAliens trope it was an ''improvement'' on [[UnfortunateImplications their previous make-up!)
make-up]]!)
27th Dec '12 9:04:02 PM nombretomado
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A modern example might be the proliferation of RubberForeheadAliens in ''Franchise/StarTrek''. It is revealed in a Next Generation episode that an ancient humanoid race "seeded" the galaxy with their genes, thereby causing humanoid intelligent life to evolve independently throughout the Milky Way. This is the Watsonian explanation. The Doylist explanation is that RubberForeheadAliens are cheap to produce, require relatively little imagination, allow for the audiences to sympathize with alien characters, etc. (And budget was always a concern for ''StarTrek''; when Klingons first exhibited the RubberForeheadAliens trope it was an ''improvement'' on their previous make-up!)

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A modern example might be the proliferation of RubberForeheadAliens in ''Franchise/StarTrek''. It is revealed in a Next Generation episode that an ancient humanoid race "seeded" the galaxy with their genes, thereby causing humanoid intelligent life to evolve independently throughout the Milky Way. This is the Watsonian explanation. The Doylist explanation is that RubberForeheadAliens are cheap to produce, require relatively little imagination, allow for the audiences to sympathize with alien characters, etc. (And budget was always a concern for ''StarTrek''; ''Franchise/StarTrek''; when Klingons first exhibited the RubberForeheadAliens trope it was an ''improvement'' on their previous make-up!)
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