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11th Mar '17 12:59:05 PM X2X
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' poses this question when [[spoiler:Tidus fades from existence]] after the heroes defeat the big bad. They decide that it was indeed worth it, but [[spoiler:Yuna's]] regret over the situation has a big effect on [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyX2 the sequel]].



* Shepard (as in you, the player) from ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' can throw this at Mordin, asking him accusingly if upgrading the genophage, a thousand-year-old bioweapon which reduced the fertility of the ProudWarriorRaceGuy, was really worth it. For the record, he says [[spoiler: yes. Though by the time of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', his answer has changed to an emphatic no.]]
** Shepard also gets confronted by a human reporter with a distinctly anti-alien bias, who demands to know if [[spoiler: spending human lives to save the Council in the previous game was worth it.]] Shepard's responses consist of either completely flooring the reporter [[TheDeadHaveNames by telling her she's disrespecting the dead and their sacrifice,]] [[TalkToTheFist or flooring her with a fist to the face.]]
* At the end of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', if you side with the Templars, [[spoiler: and your sister Bethany is in the Circle, you have the option to stand up for her alone after killing her teacher and most of her friends. If you defer to Meredith, her last words are "I hope this was all worth it, sister / brother." Then Meredith runs her through.]]

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* Shepard (as in you, the player) from ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' can throw this at Mordin, asking him accusingly if upgrading the genophage, a thousand-year-old bioweapon which reduced the fertility of the ProudWarriorRaceGuy, was really worth it. For the record, he says [[spoiler: yes.[[spoiler:yes. Though by the time of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', his answer has changed to an emphatic no.]]
** Shepard also gets confronted by a human reporter with a distinctly anti-alien bias, who demands to know if [[spoiler: spending [[spoiler:spending human lives to save the Council in the previous game was worth it.]] it]]. Shepard's responses consist of either completely flooring the reporter [[TheDeadHaveNames by telling her she's disrespecting the dead and their sacrifice,]] sacrifice]], [[TalkToTheFist or flooring her with a fist to the face.]]
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* At the end of ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', if you side with the Templars, [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and your sister Bethany is in the Circle, you have the option to stand up for her alone after killing her teacher and most of her friends. If you defer to Meredith, her last words are "I hope this was all worth it, sister / brother.sister/brother." Then Meredith runs her through.]]



* All but spelled out by ''VideoGame/NieR'''s [[MultipleEndings endings A and C]], as [[spoiler:Nier tries to enjoy his life with Yonah, having sacrificed so much for her]] in the former, and mourns [[spoiler:Kainé's death]] in the latter. ''Heavily'' implied [[PlayingThePlayer to the player]] in ending D.

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* All but spelled out by ''VideoGame/NieR'''s [[MultipleEndings endings A and C]], as [[spoiler:Nier tries to enjoy his life with Yonah, having sacrificed so much for her]] in the former, and mourns [[spoiler:Kainé's death]] in the latter. ''Heavily'' implied [[PlayingThePlayer to the player]] in ending Ending D.



* In ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'' the player is given an option at the end...[[spoiler: go after Killbane or rescue Shaundi, who is about to be killed in a terrorist attack STAG had set up to blame the Saints on.]] Choose the former and you get the bad (good?) ending, where [[spoiler: Shaundi dies, the Saints are blamed as terrorists, the Boss is asked if it was worth it (s\he can't answer) and STAG attempts to destroy Steelport during her funeral, then the Saints basically go terrorist when they fight the army off.]]
* In ''VideoGame/ArcTheLad 2'''s ending, [[spoiler: Arc and Kukuru are dead, along with much of humanity. Elc is left to question why the hell he even bothered.]]
--> '''Elc:''' [[spoiler: "It makes me wonder what we were fighting for. Arc died, and for what? So we could inherit this desolate and hopeless future? We didn't stop the world from ending, we survived it. And now we are left with nothing.]]
* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' poses this question when [[spoiler: Tidus fades from existence]] after the heroes defeat the big bad. They decide that it was indeed worth it, but [[spoiler: Yuna's]] regret over the situation has a big affect on the sequel.

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* In ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'' the player is given an option two options at the end...[[spoiler: go end: [[spoiler:go after Killbane Killbane]] or rescue [[spoiler:rescue Shaundi, who is about to be killed in a terrorist attack STAG had set up to blame the Saints on.]] on]]. Choose the former and you get the bad (good?) ending, where [[spoiler: Shaundi [[spoiler:Shaundi dies, the Saints are blamed as terrorists, the Boss is asked if it was worth it (s\he (s/he can't answer) and STAG attempts to destroy Steelport during her funeral, then the Saints basically go terrorist when they fight the army off.]]
* In ''VideoGame/ArcTheLad 2'''s ending, [[spoiler: Arc [[spoiler:Arc and Kukuru are dead, along with much of humanity. Elc is left to question why the hell he even bothered.]]
--> '''Elc:''' [[spoiler: "It [[spoiler:"It makes me wonder what we were fighting for. Arc died, and for what? So we could inherit this desolate and hopeless future? We didn't stop the world from ending, we survived it. And now we are left with nothing.]]
* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' poses this question when [[spoiler: Tidus fades from existence]] after the heroes defeat the big bad. They decide that it was indeed worth it, but [[spoiler: Yuna's]] regret over the situation has a big affect on the sequel.
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* In ''Webcomic/AMiracleOfScience'', [[MadScientist Mad Scientists]] are seemingly asked this a lot. In a [[EvilGloating less-than-coherent explanation to his girlfriend]], Dr. Haas quotes from the Bible passage above: "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? Well, he [[ComicallyMissingthePoint profits by]] [[WorthIt the entire world]], [[SanitySlippage for starters]]." But despite all that, it's interesting to note that Dr. Haas [[WouldNotShootACivilian never harms or deliberately endangers a civilian]], even when this costs him a great opportunity to take out the protagonists. Apparently some things are ''not'' WorthIt to him.

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* In ''Webcomic/AMiracleOfScience'', [[MadScientist Mad Scientists]] {{Mad Scientist}}s are seemingly asked this a lot. In a [[EvilGloating less-than-coherent explanation to his girlfriend]], Dr. Haas quotes from the Bible passage above: "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? Well, he [[ComicallyMissingthePoint profits by]] [[WorthIt the entire world]], [[SanitySlippage for starters]]." But despite all that, it's interesting to note that Dr. Haas [[WouldNotShootACivilian never harms or deliberately endangers a civilian]], even when this costs him a great opportunity to take out the protagonists. Apparently some things are ''not'' WorthIt to him.
4th Mar '17 3:17:28 PM DaScarecrow
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** There is only one incident where Scrooge finds a definite answer to this question, during Chapter 11 where for the first and only time Scrooge chooses to make a profit dishonestly. As a result of forcibly driving a tribe off their land so he can buy the rights Scrooge drives away his family, his own conscience won't let him ignore what he's done, and revenge from one of the tribe members literally haunts him for years which eventually costs him one of his most valuable discoveries ever. Scrooge got what he wanted but the price was so steep that he decides ''no'' it wasn't worth it.
3rd Mar '17 11:30:23 PM DaScarecrow
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* ''Franchise/GreenLantern:'' [[spoiler:the Black Lantern Arin Sur asks her husband Sinestro this when they fight through the streets of Korugar, asking if he's happy with what he did to Korugar, and himself, in the name of peace.]] It's one of the few times Sinestro isn't capable of speaking, he can only stutter out "I... I don't..."

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* ''Franchise/GreenLantern:'' [[spoiler:the Black Lantern Arin Sur asks her husband Sinestro this when they fight through the streets of Korugar, asking if he's happy with what he did to Korugar, and himself, in the name of peace.]] It's one of the few times Sinestro isn't capable of speaking, he can only stutter out "I... I don't..."". It's hard to say if this is due to genuine doubt on Sinestro's end or [[spoiler: due to his wife being the one asking.]]
* ''ComicBook/TheLifeAndTimesOfScroogeMcDuck'': A recurring theme throughout the series is the question of whether or not what Scrooge gains is worth what he gives up in exchange while pursuing his goals. His earlier escapades have him suffering for little if any substantial gain while his later endeavors showcase that the pursuit of wealth has directly cost him anyone to share his life with, be they family or friends. By the end of the series Scrooge has wound up as recluse who achieved his goal of becoming the richest in the world but has lived in complete isolation for years.
25th Feb '17 2:02:17 PM nombretomado
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* In the DaleBrown novel ''Wings of Fire'', Patrick [=McLanahan=] says this after the Night Stalkers receive very large paychecks for the mission where [[spoiler: Paul was killed and Wendy went missing.]]

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* In the DaleBrown Creator/DaleBrown novel ''Wings of Fire'', Patrick [=McLanahan=] says this after the Night Stalkers receive very large paychecks for the mission where [[spoiler: Paul was killed and Wendy went missing.]]
18th Feb '17 10:05:31 PM Arivne
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** The villain Discord does this to ''[[spoiler: himself]]'' in the episode ''Keep Calm and Flutter On''. [[spoiler: As he taunts Fluttershy for believing in him, he asks if she really thought he'd give up his WorldOfChaos for her friendship. As soon as he says it, he realizes the answer is: yes, he is willing to give it up for her.]]

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** The villain Discord does this to ''[[spoiler: himself]]'' in the episode ''Keep "Keep Calm and Flutter On''.On". [[spoiler: As he taunts Fluttershy for believing in him, he asks if she really thought he'd give up his WorldOfChaos for her friendship. As soon as he says it, he realizes the answer is: yes, he is willing to give it up for her.]]
18th Feb '17 10:03:39 PM Arivne
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* Macbeth in ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' uses Revenge as the 'it': "Revenge is a dish best eaten cold. And I have waited nine hundred years for this meal." However, Goliath points out to him and his nemesis Demona that every time either of them has attempted to get revenge, it only made their lives worse. "What profit vengeance?" [[WordOfGod has been described by producer]] Creator/GregWeisman as one of his favorite themes.

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* Macbeth in ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}''
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uses Revenge as the 'it': "Revenge is a dish best eaten cold. And I have waited nine hundred years for this meal." However, Goliath points out to him and his nemesis Demona that every time either of them has attempted to get revenge, it only made their lives worse. "What profit vengeance?" [[WordOfGod has been described by producer]] Creator/GregWeisman as one of his favorite themes.



* In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'', an upgraded Prowl beats (clone) Starscream. Unfortunately there's a lot of collateral damage - including a torn down tree and broken bird eggs, earlier that day he made it a point to protect a similar nest on Dinobot Island. Seeing these, Prowl realizes what a total asshole he's being.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated''
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In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/TransformersAnimated'', episode, an upgraded Prowl beats (clone) Starscream. Unfortunately there's a lot of collateral damage - including a torn down tree and broken bird eggs, earlier that day he made it a point to protect a similar nest on Dinobot Island. Seeing these, Prowl realizes what a total asshole he's being.
18th Feb '17 10:01:48 PM Arivne
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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', [[spoiler:Taylor]] becomes TheUnfettered in pursuing the defeat of [[SerialKiller Jack Slash]] and his Slaughterhouse Nine in order to prevent the prophecized end of the world, going so far as to [[spoiler: shoot a child held by Jack that could have caused the end.]] In the end, though, after [[spoiler:she ultimately fails]], she questions whether it was worth it and decides that it wasn't.

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* In ''Literature/{{Worm}}'', ''Literature/{{Worm}}''
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[[spoiler:Taylor]] becomes TheUnfettered in pursuing the defeat of [[SerialKiller Jack Slash]] and his Slaughterhouse Nine in order to prevent the prophecized end of the world, going so far as to [[spoiler: shoot a child held by Jack that could have caused the end.]] In the end, though, after [[spoiler:she ultimately fails]], she questions whether it was worth it and decides that it wasn't.
18th Feb '17 10:00:48 PM Arivne
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* In one ''[[Roleplay/GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse Global Guardians]]'' story, the local team of heroes manage to divert a nuclear missle that would have incinerated Vancouver into exploding far out over the Pacific Ocean... where the EMP from the detonation knocks four commercial airliners out of the air to crash into the sea with no survivors. Afterward, a reporter asks the team how they can live with themselves after effectively murdering nearly 1200 innocent people. They never do answer the question.

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* In one ''[[Roleplay/GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse Global Guardians]]'' story, the local team of heroes manage to divert a nuclear missle missile that would have incinerated Vancouver into exploding far out over the Pacific Ocean... where the EMP from the detonation knocks four commercial airliners out of the air to crash into the sea with no survivors. Afterward, a reporter asks the team how they can live with themselves after effectively murdering nearly 1200 innocent people. They never do answer the question.
18th Feb '17 9:59:49 PM Arivne
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* In ''Webcomic/AMiracleOfScience'', [[MadScientist Mad Scientists]] are seemingly asked this a lot. In a [[EvilGloating less-than-coherent explanation to his girlfriend]], Dr. Haas quotes from the Bible passage above: "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? Well, he [[ComicallyMissingthePoint profits by]] [[WorthIt the entire world]], [[SanitySlippage for starters]]."
** But despite all that, it's interesting to note that Dr. Haas [[WouldNotShootACivilian never harms or deliberately endangers a civilian]], even when this costs him a great opportunity to take out the protagonists. Apparently some things are ''not'' WorthIt to him.

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* In ''Webcomic/AMiracleOfScience'', [[MadScientist Mad Scientists]] are seemingly asked this a lot. In a [[EvilGloating less-than-coherent explanation to his girlfriend]], Dr. Haas quotes from the Bible passage above: "What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? Well, he [[ComicallyMissingthePoint profits by]] [[WorthIt the entire world]], [[SanitySlippage for starters]]."
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" But despite all that, it's interesting to note that Dr. Haas [[WouldNotShootACivilian never harms or deliberately endangers a civilian]], even when this costs him a great opportunity to take out the protagonists. Apparently some things are ''not'' WorthIt to him.



18th Feb '17 9:55:06 PM Arivne
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* [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire ''A Song of Ice and Fire'']]: As detailed in Literature/ArchmaesterGyldaynsHistories is "The Dance of the Dragons". Over a century before the events of the main story (ASOIAF starts in 298 and TDOTD took place in 129-131) Viserys I wanted his daughter Rhaenyra to succeed ahead of his son from a later marriage despite the inheritance laws of most of Westeros favoring sons before daughters. However after his death his son was crowned Aegon II, leading to "The Dance of the Dragons", a major civil war in which most of the dragons and Targaryens were killed, including both claimants. Rhaenyra's son Aegon III then became King and shortly after this the last of the line from Viserys' last marriage died out. Aegon suffered from depression, partially from seeing the death of his mother, and the dragons died out during his reign. To cap it all off the stigma against females inheriting the Iron Throne remained, as when Aegon's sons died without issue his brother Viserys II took the throne ahead of Aegon's daughters (Aegon and Viserys could claim male line inheritance due to their father being Viserys I's brother [[IncestIsRelative Daemon]]).

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* [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire ''A Song of Ice and Fire'']]: ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''. As detailed in Literature/ArchmaesterGyldaynsHistories is "The Dance of the Dragons". Over a century before the events of the main story (ASOIAF starts in 298 and TDOTD took place in 129-131) Viserys I wanted his daughter Rhaenyra to succeed ahead of his son from a later marriage despite the inheritance laws of most of Westeros favoring sons before daughters. However after his death his son was crowned Aegon II, leading to "The Dance of the Dragons", a major civil war in which most of the dragons and Targaryens were killed, including both claimants. Rhaenyra's son Aegon III then became King and shortly after this the last of the line from Viserys' last marriage died out. Aegon suffered from depression, partially from seeing the death of his mother, and the dragons died out during his reign. To cap it all off the stigma against females inheriting the Iron Throne remained, as when Aegon's sons died without issue his brother Viserys II took the throne ahead of Aegon's daughters (Aegon and Viserys could claim male line inheritance due to their father being Viserys I's brother [[IncestIsRelative Daemon]]).
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