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15th Sep '16 1:35:24 AM PaulA
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* In the epilogue of ''Literature/EndersGame'' (and throughout the direct sequels), this trope is part of the a movement called the "Speaker for the Dead" (also the title of [[Literature/SpeakerForTheDead the first sequel][). A Speaker is something of a professional eulogizer, they speak at funerals and tell the story of the person who has died: the good, the bad, how they were seen by others, and how they saw themselves. The idea being to tell the story without applying judgement or justification, laying bare all the cold hard truths of the departed's life. In-universe, the concept became popular after it was done for the man who united humanity under a single government (the story including his sociopathic behavior as a young man, which included violent emotional and physical abuse and manipulation of his siblings).

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* In the epilogue of ''Literature/EndersGame'' (and throughout the direct sequels), this trope is part of the a movement called the "Speaker for the Dead" (also the title of [[Literature/SpeakerForTheDead the first sequel][).sequel]]). A Speaker is something of a professional eulogizer, they speak at funerals and tell the story of the person who has died: the good, the bad, how they were seen by others, and how they saw themselves. The idea being to tell the story without applying judgement or justification, laying bare all the cold hard truths of the departed's life. In-universe, the concept became popular after it was done for the man who united humanity under a single government (the story including his sociopathic behavior as a young man, which included violent emotional and physical abuse and manipulation of his siblings).
15th Sep '16 1:35:12 AM PaulA
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* In the epilogue of ''Literature/EndersGame'' (and throughout the direct sequels), this trope is part of the a movement called the "Speaker for the Dead" (also the title of the first sequel). A Speaker is something of a professional eulogizer, they speak at funerals and tell the story of the person who has died: the good, the bad, how they were seen by others, and how they saw themselves. The idea being to tell the story without applying judgement or justification, laying bare all the cold hard truths of the departed's life. In-universe, the concept became popular after it was done for the man who united humanity under a single government (the story including his sociopathic behavior as a young man, which included violent emotional and physical abuse and manipulation of his siblings).

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* In the epilogue of ''Literature/EndersGame'' (and throughout the direct sequels), this trope is part of the a movement called the "Speaker for the Dead" (also the title of [[Literature/SpeakerForTheDead the first sequel).sequel][). A Speaker is something of a professional eulogizer, they speak at funerals and tell the story of the person who has died: the good, the bad, how they were seen by others, and how they saw themselves. The idea being to tell the story without applying judgement or justification, laying bare all the cold hard truths of the departed's life. In-universe, the concept became popular after it was done for the man who united humanity under a single government (the story including his sociopathic behavior as a young man, which included violent emotional and physical abuse and manipulation of his siblings).
15th Sep '16 1:34:14 AM PaulA
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* In the epilogue of EndersGame (and throughout the direct sequels), this trope is part of the a movement called the "Speaker for the Dead" (also the title of the first sequel). A Speaker is something of a professional eulogizer, they speak at funerals and tell the story of the person who has died: the good, the bad, how they were seen by others, and how they saw themselves. The idea being to tell the story without applying judgement or justification, laying bare all the cold hard truths of the departed's life. In-universe, the concept became popular after it was done for the man who united humanity under a single government (the story including his sociopathic behavior as a young man, which included violent emotional and physical abuse and manipulation of his siblings)

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* In the epilogue of EndersGame ''Literature/EndersGame'' (and throughout the direct sequels), this trope is part of the a movement called the "Speaker for the Dead" (also the title of the first sequel). A Speaker is something of a professional eulogizer, they speak at funerals and tell the story of the person who has died: the good, the bad, how they were seen by others, and how they saw themselves. The idea being to tell the story without applying judgement or justification, laying bare all the cold hard truths of the departed's life. In-universe, the concept became popular after it was done for the man who united humanity under a single government (the story including his sociopathic behavior as a young man, which included violent emotional and physical abuse and manipulation of his siblings)siblings).
3rd Sep '16 6:37:04 PM Paranoia
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* In ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', Dahar Master Kor is a legendary warrior that everyone gushes over. But he is really old and becoming more and more senile as time goes on. His legendary status gets stripped away when he starts reliving a battle from his glory days which gets a lot of his people unnecessarily killed. Shown for the senile old man that he was, the crew rejects him. But he redeems himself when he undertakes a suicide mission and shows that he still has the skills that made him the legendary figure in the first place.

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* In ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', Dahar Master Kor is a legendary warrior that everyone gushes over. But he is really old and becoming more and more senile as time goes on. His legendary status gets stripped away when he starts reliving a battle from his glory days which gets a lot of his people unnecessarily killed. Shown for the senile old man that he was, the crew rejects him. But he redeems himself when he undertakes a suicide mission and shows that he still has the skills (and the [[HeroicSacrifice honor]]) that made him the legendary figure in the first place.
3rd Sep '16 6:35:20 PM Paranoia
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* Poignantly subverted in ''Series/{{Firefly}}''. After arriving at a village that has put Jayne up as a folk hero due to a misunderstanding, Jayne eventually tries to make the townspeople understand he's just a regular guy, even going so far as to push over his own statue. They don't believe him.

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* Poignantly subverted in ''Series/{{Firefly}}''. After arriving at a village that has put Jayne up as a folk hero due to a misunderstanding, Jayne eventually tries to make the townspeople understand he's just a regular guy, even going so far as to push over his own statue.statue (which breaks and, being made of the stuff, leaves behind a pair of literal FeetOfClay). They don't believe him.
3rd Sep '16 6:33:24 PM Paranoia
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* In the epilogue of EndersGame (and throughout the direct sequels), this trope is part of the a movement called the "Speaker for the Dead" (also the title of the first sequel). A Speaker is something of a professional eulogizer, they speak at funerals and tell the story of the person who has died: the good, the bad, how they were seen by others, and how they saw themselves. The idea being to tell the story without applying judgement or justification, laying bare all the cold hard truths of the departed's life.

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* In the epilogue of EndersGame (and throughout the direct sequels), this trope is part of the a movement called the "Speaker for the Dead" (also the title of the first sequel). A Speaker is something of a professional eulogizer, they speak at funerals and tell the story of the person who has died: the good, the bad, how they were seen by others, and how they saw themselves. The idea being to tell the story without applying judgement or justification, laying bare all the cold hard truths of the departed's life. In-universe, the concept became popular after it was done for the man who united humanity under a single government (the story including his sociopathic behavior as a young man, which included violent emotional and physical abuse and manipulation of his siblings)
3rd Sep '16 6:24:13 PM Paranoia
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* In the epilogue of EndersGame (and throughout the direct sequels), this trope is part of the a movement called the "Speaker for the Dead" (also the title of the first sequel). A Speaker is something of a professional eulogizer, they speak at funerals and tell the story of the person who has died: the good, the bad, how they were seen by others, and how they saw themselves. The idea being to tell the story without applying judgement or justification, laying bare all the cold hard truths of the departed's life.
** One such funeral service (for a wife-beating alcoholic) is shown in the titular sequel. No attempt is made to justify his violence and abuse, but those in attendance finally understand how much physical and emotional pain the man himself was in for his entire life and why he took it out on his family. No forgiveness or redemption is implied, only an increased understanding and empathy for a fellow human being.
24th Aug '16 4:29:51 PM DarkHunter
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-->'''Mal''': It's not about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.

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-->'''Mal''': I imagine every guy's got a statue made of him, was one kind of sumbitch or another. It's not about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.
30th Jul '16 3:50:35 PM nombretomado
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* On ''{{Daria}},'' an old sports hero comes to Lawndale High for a dedication, and everybody has to put up with what a JerkJock he is. The discrepancy between his honored status and caustic personality becomes even more difficult when [[spoiler:he dies in an accident, evoking sympathy and NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead]].

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* On ''{{Daria}},'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Daria}}'', an old sports hero comes to Lawndale High for a dedication, and everybody has to put up with what a JerkJock he is. The discrepancy between his honored status and caustic personality becomes even more difficult when [[spoiler:he dies in an accident, evoking sympathy and NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead]].
19th Jul '16 6:01:04 AM TheSinful
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* Deliberately invoked in ''[[http://anime.adult-fanfiction.org/story.php?no=600055428&chapter=3 The Vain Rose's Garden]]'' after Belldandy walks in on Skuld having sex. Urd explains to Belldandy that Skuld idolizes her and is likely feeling ashamed at being caught doing something she never does, and thus urges Belldandy to explain to Skuld that she too has urges and indulges them.
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