History Main / WartsAndAll

24th Aug '16 4:29:51 PM DarkHunter
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-->'''Mal''': It's not about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.

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-->'''Mal''': I imagine every guy's got a statue made of him, was one kind of sumbitch or another. It's not about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.
30th Jul '16 3:50:35 PM nombretomado
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* On ''{{Daria}},'' an old sports hero comes to Lawndale High for a dedication, and everybody has to put up with what a JerkJock he is. The discrepancy between his honored status and caustic personality becomes even more difficult when [[spoiler:he dies in an accident, evoking sympathy and NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead]].

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* On ''{{Daria}},'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Daria}}'', an old sports hero comes to Lawndale High for a dedication, and everybody has to put up with what a JerkJock he is. The discrepancy between his honored status and caustic personality becomes even more difficult when [[spoiler:he dies in an accident, evoking sympathy and NeverSpeakIllOfTheDead]].
19th Jul '16 6:01:04 AM TheSinful
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* Deliberately invoked in ''[[http://anime.adult-fanfiction.org/story.php?no=600055428&chapter=3 The Vain Rose's Garden]]'' after Belldandy walks in on Skuld having sex. Urd explains to Belldandy that Skuld idolizes her and is likely feeling ashamed at being caught doing something she never does, and thus urges Belldandy to explain to Skuld that she too has urges and indulges them.
30th Jun '16 9:58:28 AM jahman
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** Naruto himself counts, as by the end of the series, he truly is a shinobi worthy of the history books and a legend in his own right, but he's still [[IdiotHero Naru]][[NoSocialSkills to]].

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** Naruto himself counts, as by the end of the series, he truly is a shinobi worthy of the history books and a legend in his own right, but he's still [[IdiotHero Naru]][[NoSocialSkills to]]. [[spoiler:As ''The Last'' shows, Hinata still loves him as he is, rather than the hero he's supposed to be. Which makes sense; back when Naruto was still trying to get the acknowledgement of the village, he never noticed Hinata, who has acknowledged him since the very beginning. She loved him long before he ever became the hero in the public's eye and she'll love him long after his story fades into legend]].
-->'''Hinata:''' ''You make mistakes... but... because of those mistakes... you get the strength to stand up to them... that's why I think you are truly strong.''
--> [[spoiler:'''Naruto''']]: [[spoiler: ''This whole time, you always loved me for the way I am.'']]
30th Jun '16 9:05:13 AM DandereNaruto
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** Naruto himself counts, as by the end of the series, he truly is a shinobi worthy of the history books and a legend in his own right, but he's still [[IdiotHero Naru]][[NoSocialSkills to]]. [[spoiler:As ''The Last'' shows, Hinata still loves him as he is, rather than the hero he's supposed to be. Which makes sense; back when Naruto was still trying to get the acknowledgement of the village, he never noticed Hinata, who has acknowledged him since the very beginning. She loved him long before he ever became the hero in the public's eye and she'll love him long after his story fades into legend]].
-->'''Hinata:''' ''You make mistakes... but... because of those mistakes... you get the strength to stand up to them... that's why I think you are truly strong.''
--> [[spoiler:'''Naruto''']]: [[spoiler: ''This whole time, you always loved me for the way I am.'']]

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** Naruto himself counts, as by the end of the series, he truly is a shinobi worthy of the history books and a legend in his own right, but he's still [[IdiotHero Naru]][[NoSocialSkills to]]. [[spoiler:As ''The Last'' shows, Hinata still loves him as he is, rather than the hero he's supposed to be. Which makes sense; back when Naruto was still trying to get the acknowledgement of the village, he never noticed Hinata, who has acknowledged him since the very beginning. She loved him long before he ever became the hero in the public's eye and she'll love him long after his story fades into legend]].
-->'''Hinata:''' ''You make mistakes... but... because of those mistakes... you get the strength to stand up to them... that's why I think you are truly strong.''
--> [[spoiler:'''Naruto''']]: [[spoiler: ''This whole time, you always loved me for the way I am.'']]
19th Jun '16 9:54:14 AM TotemicHero
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* The so-called "Legends" in Minecraft story mode are revealed to be a bunch of cheap glory hounds who use a command block (i. e. Minecraft's version of cheating) to kill the Ender Dragon when they realised the fight was too tough for them. Their refusal to own up and their cowardice basically fuels the first arc. Needless to say, the lead Jessie who really believed that they were TheCape and his DarkhorseEnsemble is less than impressed.

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* The so-called "Legends" "legends" that make up the Order of the Stone in Minecraft story mode ''VideoGame/MinecraftStoryMode'' are revealed to be a bunch of cheap glory hounds who use used a command block (i. e. Minecraft's version of cheating) to kill the Ender Dragon when they realised the fight was too tough for them. Their refusal to own up and to their cowardice basically fuels the first arc. Needless to say, the lead Jessie Jessie, who really believed that they were TheCape and his DarkhorseEnsemble heroes, is less than impressed.
11th Jun '16 5:15:48 AM narm00
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* ComicBook/BoosterGold is a LargeHam who seems, at times, to be more interested in product endorsements, fame, and getting rich than he is fighting crime. Nevertheless, he really is a true blue hero who has regularly put his life on the line when the situation called for it. After the death of Ted Kord though, he became the hero he always wanted to be seen as. He has to constantly pretend to still be a greedy, shallow idiot so that he can effectively defend time. Sacrifice is a predominant theme in his new series.
* ''ComicBook/TheWarlord'': This was the main theme of the 1992 miniseries, which largely consisted of the Warlord's friends and family telling the viewpoint character "Well, yes, he's a hero, ''but''..." There's a fair amount of it in the current series, as well.

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* ComicBook/BoosterGold is a LargeHam who seems, at times, to be more interested in product endorsements, fame, and getting rich than he is fighting crime. Nevertheless, he really is a true blue hero who has regularly put his life on the line when the situation called for it. After the death of [[ComicBook/BlueBeetle Ted Kord Kord]] though, he became the hero he always wanted to be seen as. He has to constantly pretend to still be a greedy, shallow idiot so that he can effectively defend time. Sacrifice is a predominant theme in his new 2007 series.
* ''ComicBook/TheWarlord'': This was the main theme of the 1992 miniseries, which largely consisted of the Warlord's friends and family telling the viewpoint character "Well, yes, he's a hero, ''but''..." There's a fair amount of it in the current 2009 series, as well.well (which is unsurprising, as they're both by Mike Grell).
3rd Jun '16 9:46:49 PM Chrispang
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* The so-called "Legends" in Minecraft story mode are revealed to be a bunch of cheap glory hounds who use a command block (i. e. Minecraft's version of cheating) to kill the Ender Dragon when they realised the fight was too tough for them. Their refusal to own up and their cowardice basically fuels the first arc. Needless to say, the lead Jessie who really believed that they were TheCape and his DarkhorseEnsemble is less than impressed.
12th May '16 9:32:16 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'': A major element of the franchise is taking historical situations and people and showing them in a more naked and honest light than is typically found in the history books. For example, UsefulNotes/RichardTheLionHeart is shown as something of a BloodKnight, Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli is shown as more of a statesman than a ruthless schemer, and the Patriots involved in UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution are shown manipulating public opinion to make their war seem more just than it is. At the same time, the games also take some liberties by having major historical figures be allied with the [[UsefulNotes/TheHashshashin Assassin]] and the [[TheKnightsTemplar Templar]] factions that are engaged in a SecretWar for control of humanity's hearts and minds.

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* ''Franchise/AssassinsCreed'': A major element of the franchise is taking historical situations and people and showing them in a more naked and honest light than is typically found in the history books. For example, UsefulNotes/RichardTheLionHeart is shown as something of a BloodKnight, Creator/NiccoloMachiavelli is shown as more of a statesman than a ruthless schemer, and the Patriots involved in UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution are shown manipulating public opinion to make their war seem more just than it is. At the same time, the games also take some liberties by having major historical figures be allied with the [[UsefulNotes/TheHashshashin Assassin]] and the [[TheKnightsTemplar [[UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar Templar]] factions that are engaged in a SecretWar for control of humanity's hearts and minds.
11th May '16 4:41:07 AM TheWildWestPyro
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** The first, Solid Snake. He's been idealized as the legendary soldier/superspy who went deep into enemy territory as part of FOXHOUND in two separate incidents to destroy nuclear weapons at great risk to himself, so he could save the world. He's supposedly thought of in-universe as the modern Film/JamesBond, or such is the implication. Naturally, Meryl Silverburgh is surprised when Snake turns out to be rather coarse, rude and disdaining of her combat ability, as well as rather unhappy that he's involved in the mission to begin with.

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** The first, Solid Snake. He's been idealized as the legendary soldier/superspy who went deep into heavily defended enemy territory as part of the FOXHOUND black ops unit in two separate incidents [[VideoGame/MetalGear1 separate]] [[VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake incidents]] to destroy nuclear weapons at great risk to himself, so he could himself to save the world. He's also supposedly thought of in-universe as the modern Film/JamesBond, or such is the implication. Naturally, Meryl Silverburgh is surprised when Snake turns out to be rather coarse, rude and disdaining of her combat ability, as well as rather unhappy that he's involved in the mission to begin with.



** The second, Big Boss. Though he ended up being a traitor, that little fact was apparently concealed by the government, as by the time of the fourth game he's a household name as a ComicBook/CaptainAmerica-style badass, considered to be the greatest soldier in history and his awesome-ness is apparently common knowledge. Numerous [[HollywoodStyle and highly inaccurate]] [[TakeThat video games]] and [[DanBrowned poorly researched books]] have been made out of his career. What nobody realizes is that he was a mentally damaged man who had to [[ShootTheDog shoot his own mentor on the orders of his government]] who was convinced that [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans utopia for soldiers is worth nuking people with giant bipedal tanks.]] As well as that, some of his most mind-blowing feats were actually done by his [[spoiler: body double, [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain Venom Snake.]]]]

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** The second, Big Boss. Though he ended up being a traitor, that little fact was apparently concealed by the government, as by the time of the fourth game he's a household name as a ComicBook/CaptainAmerica-style badass, considered to be the greatest soldier in history and his awesome-ness is apparently common knowledge. Numerous [[HollywoodStyle and highly inaccurate]] [[TakeThat video games]] and [[DanBrowned poorly researched books]] have been made out of his career. What nobody realizes is that he was a mentally damaged man who had to [[ShootTheDog shoot his own mentor on the orders of his government]] who was and later became convinced that [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans utopia for soldiers is worth nuking people with giant bipedal tanks.]] As well as that, some of his most mind-blowing feats were actually done by his [[spoiler: body double, [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain Venom Snake.]]]]
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