History Main / VisualKei

17th Jul '16 8:38:56 AM nombretomado
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* [[spoiler: Sergei]] from ''AsurasWrath'' is [[spoiler:reincarnated as a Visual Kei artist in TheStinger of DLC ep 22 part Iv: Nirvana.]]

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* [[spoiler: Sergei]] from ''AsurasWrath'' ''VideoGame/AsurasWrath'' is [[spoiler:reincarnated as a Visual Kei artist in TheStinger of DLC ep 22 part Iv: Nirvana.]]
1st Jul '16 4:33:34 PM Anddrix
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* BarBrawl: Arguably somewhat less common now (though still engaged in by indies and unpopular bands and between fans, for [[BaseBreaker various]] [[BerserkButton reasons]]), this was common for a while among Visual Shock bands in the 80s and early 90s.
* BaseBreaker / BerserkButton: Almost anything that can be associated with Visual Kei can and would enrage someone somewhere in the fandom. From the usual, such as which bands, artists, or subgenres are better to more specific topics such as reasons for bands breaking up, members leaving/retiring from music/transferring to another band, or the deaths of famous artists.

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* BarBrawl: Arguably somewhat less common now (though still engaged in by indies and unpopular bands and between fans, for [[BaseBreaker various]] various [[BerserkButton reasons]]), this was common for a while among Visual Shock bands in the 80s and early 90s.
* BaseBreaker / BerserkButton: Almost anything that can be associated with Visual Kei can and would enrage someone somewhere in the fandom. From the usual, such as which bands, artists, or subgenres are better to more specific topics such as reasons for bands breaking up, members leaving/retiring from music/transferring to another band, or the deaths of famous artists.



** Post-Visual Kei, in general, is the subject of much controversy. It is a major BaseBreaker and BerserkButton for many fan circles. mainly because artists associated with the label are known for leaving the scene/denying they were part of it, actively loathing Visual Kei and VK artists, or appearing "different" from the usual, leading to many accusations of artists "selling out" or "damaging the image of Visual Kei". L'Arc~en~Ciel has been the target of many VK purists for leaving the scene, then showing off visuals despite constantly denying that they are VK. A similar controversy exists within the fandom of Music/DirEnGrey.

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** Post-Visual Kei, in general, is the subject of much controversy. It is a major BaseBreaker and BerserkButton for many fan circles. mainly because artists associated with the label are known for leaving the scene/denying they were part of it, actively loathing Visual Kei and VK artists, or appearing "different" from the usual, leading to many accusations of artists "selling out" or "damaging the image of Visual Kei". L'Arc~en~Ciel has been the target of many VK purists for leaving the scene, then showing off visuals despite constantly denying that they are VK. A similar controversy exists within the fandom of Music/DirEnGrey.
2nd May '16 10:23:10 AM BrownEmolga
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* UnfortunateImplications: VisualKei and the scene around it have created a few sticky areas here:
** The preference by some fans for male artists over female can sometimes reek of sexism, even if it's a personal preference with a justified reason in some cases (for example, someone wanting to see someone attractive to their own orientation, or someone who prefers deeper voices to the higher shrieking/squealing that characterized a ''lot'' of female singers until Music/ExistTrace proved there was a market for deeper female vocals). Where this crosses into the UnfortunateImplications is when female musicians (especially those who aren't singers) are automatically seen as inferior or less capable of playing "real" visual kei / "real" rock and metal, and unfortunately that attitude is still present in a lot of Visual Kei fandom.
** The preference by fans for Japanese artists as "real" Visual Kei can sometimes become racialized to the degree of being racist. Again, sometimes this has justified reasons for being a personal preference (a fair amount of non-Japanese "visual kei" bands that have popped up ''have'' been crappy owing to their tendency to try to mimic Oshare or to try to fuse Oshare and Angura or Lolita and to at the same time be pandering to OccidentalOtaku). Where it crosses into the racist UnfortunateImplications is when people either automatically assume ''any'' Japanese artist to be better than ''any'' Western one (e.g. assuming Music/MariaCross to a better vocalist than [[Music/{{Queen}} Freddie Mercury]] [[InsaneTrollLogic just because Maria Cross is Japanese]]) or when they take non-Asian racial/ethnic attributes as "strikes" against someone's ability to do visual kei fashion (e.g. one's skin color/eye color/hair type/height/features)
** The trivialization of rape in some corners of the scene (generally older Visual Shock and modern Eroguro) and use of rape imagery and the conflation of rape with BDSM or erotic imagery can create some nastily triggering images for survivors, and can convince some people in the scene that rape is anything from a term of endearment to [[DudeNotFunny a funny joke]] to, when it actually happens, something that must be written off and covered up with the victim blamed.
** The use of HoYay as {{fanservice}} can sometimes be seen as a homophobic insult to real GLBTQI people and their issues if it's handled flippantly or poorly. ''Especially'' if the people doing it are obviously straight men offstage who have no support for gay rights except to make money onstage (though [[LaserGuidedKarma once this is found out, said bands/artists rarely maintain popularity]]), or alternately, if the people doing it are YaoiFangirls who are only wanting to use "the hot guys" as fantasy rather than acknowledge the reality of their lives in Japan (and that Japan is still not, outside of visual kei, the most gay or bi friendly place in the world, ''especially'' for gay or bi men but also for lesbians).
** The scene (especially in its Japanese iteration, and in some parts of the American scene) is known for excessive drinking and unsafe sexual behavior (despite the efforts of some bands to plead for safer sex openly).
*** And a backlash/preemptive denunciation of this in American and other Western Visual Kei led to the exact opposite problem - people who exemplify SmugStraightEdge and will ''not'' hesitate to engage in SlutShaming, everything from CondescendingCompassion to outright slurs against people they see as physically or mentally "unfit" to "represent the scene," and a combination of hypocrisy and judgmental attitude that would make MoralGuardians proud.
23rd Apr '16 1:19:46 AM RevolutionStone
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* Music/{{Dementia}} Proto-VisualKei HeavyMetal, notable because [[Music/TaijiSawada Taiji]] was a guitarist and bassist for it and [[Music/HidetoMatsumoto hide]] was a guitarist for it before both joined Music/XJapan, and it is arguably where hide and Taiji met.

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* Music/{{Dementia}} Proto-VisualKei HeavyMetal, notable because [[Music/TaijiSawada Taiji]] was a guitarist and bassist for it and [[Music/HidetoMatsumoto hide]] was a guitarist for it before both joined Music/XJapan, and it is arguably where hide and Taiji met.it.
19th Apr '16 1:17:20 AM aye_amber
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** Creator/PeaceAndSmileCompany - Often shortened to ''PS Company'', it is a sub-label of Creator/FreeWillRecords which heavily leans toward Oshare bands (with Music/TheGazette being a notable and pretty much [[EnsembleDarkhorse the only exception]] until they broke with the label) and has stricter rules.

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** Creator/PeaceAndSmileCompany - ''Peace and Smile Company:'' Often shortened to ''PS Company'', it is a sub-label of Creator/FreeWillRecords which heavily leans toward Oshare bands (with Music/TheGazette being a notable and pretty much [[EnsembleDarkhorse the only exception]] until they broke with the label) and has stricter rules.
19th Apr '16 1:10:53 AM aye_amber
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* Music/{{YOHIO}}[[note]] Also see Music/{{SEREMEDY}}, he was the ex-lead guitarist [[/note]]

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* Music/{{YOHIO}}[[note]] Music/{{YOHIO}} [[note]] Also see Music/{{SEREMEDY}}, ''Seremedy,'' he was the ex-lead guitarist [[/note]]
19th Apr '16 1:10:15 AM aye_amber
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In recent years, Visual Kei has begun to be used by non-Japanese bands, especially bands in the underground metal scene. One such band is the Swedish AlternativeMetal / MelodicDeathMetal band''Seremedy,'' which gained some mainstream success before disbanding in 2013 - and Music/{{Kerbera}}, which is led by its former vocalist SEIKE. Music/{{YOHIO}}, the former guitarist, has began a career as a solo guitarist and vocalist as well.

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In recent years, Visual Kei has begun to be used by non-Japanese bands, especially bands in the underground metal scene. One such band is the Swedish AlternativeMetal / MelodicDeathMetal band''Seremedy,'' band ''Seremedy,'' which gained some mainstream success before disbanding in 2013 - and Music/{{Kerbera}}, which is led by its former vocalist SEIKE. Music/{{YOHIO}}, the former guitarist, has began a career as a solo guitarist and vocalist as well.



* Music/{{Seremedy}}[[note]]Also see Music/{{Kerbera}} and Music/{{YOHIO}}[[/note]] - One of the few known Visual Kei bands outside Japan. Disbanded in 2013.

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* Music/{{Seremedy}}[[note]]Also ''Seremedy'' [[note]] Also see Music/{{Kerbera}} and Music/{{YOHIO}}[[/note]] - Music/{{YOHIO}} [[/note]]: One of the few known Visual Kei bands outside Japan. Disbanded in 2013.
19th Apr '16 1:08:37 AM aye_amber
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* Music/{{Kerbera}} [[note]] Also see Music/{{Seremedy}} - vocalist SEIKE began Kerbera when that band broke up.[[/note]]

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* Music/{{Kerbera}} [[note]] Also see Music/{{Seremedy}} ''Seremedy'' - vocalist SEIKE began Kerbera when that band broke up.[[/note]]
19th Apr '16 1:08:13 AM aye_amber
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In recent years, Visual Kei has begun to be used by non-Japanese bands, especially bands in the underground metal scene. One such band is the Swedish AlternativeMetal / MelodicDeathMetal band Music/{{Seremedy}}, which gained some mainstream success before disbanding in 2013 - and Music/{{Kerbera}}, which is led by its former vocalist SEIKE. Music/{{YOHIO}}, the former guitarist, has began a career as a solo guitarist and vocalist as well.

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In recent years, Visual Kei has begun to be used by non-Japanese bands, especially bands in the underground metal scene. One such band is the Swedish AlternativeMetal / MelodicDeathMetal band Music/{{Seremedy}}, band''Seremedy,'' which gained some mainstream success before disbanding in 2013 - and Music/{{Kerbera}}, which is led by its former vocalist SEIKE. Music/{{YOHIO}}, the former guitarist, has began a career as a solo guitarist and vocalist as well.
18th Apr '16 10:02:23 PM aye_amber
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** Post-Visual Kei, in general, is the subject of much controversy. It is a major BaseBreaker and BerserkButton for many fan circles. mainly because artists associated with the label are known for leaving the scene/denying they were part of it, actively loathing Visual Kei and VK artists, or appearing "different" from the usual, leading to many accusations of artists "selling out" or "damaging the image of Visual Kei". L'Arc~en~Ciel has been the target of many VK purists for leaving the scene, then showing off visuals despite constantly denying that they are VK. A similar controversy exists within the fandom of DirEnGrey.

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** Post-Visual Kei, in general, is the subject of much controversy. It is a major BaseBreaker and BerserkButton for many fan circles. mainly because artists associated with the label are known for leaving the scene/denying they were part of it, actively loathing Visual Kei and VK artists, or appearing "different" from the usual, leading to many accusations of artists "selling out" or "damaging the image of Visual Kei". L'Arc~en~Ciel has been the target of many VK purists for leaving the scene, then showing off visuals despite constantly denying that they are VK. A similar controversy exists within the fandom of DirEnGrey.Music/DirEnGrey.
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