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11th Jun '16 6:39:24 PM nombretomado
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* In TanyaHuff's ''[[Literature/KeepersChronicles Summon the Keeper]]'', Dean is a knock-down gorgeous guy, kind, handy around the house, and so well-grounded that world-weary Claire instinctively looks for roots sprouting from his sneakers. He's twenty and yep, a virgin. He blushes at the slightest hint of any "funny stuff", takes a while to understand anything, and Claire falls deep and hard for him. [[spoiler:In subsequent books, Claire and Dean do end up together, love-smitten enough to make you barf, and he loses his virginity quickly in the second book.]]

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* In TanyaHuff's Creator/TanyaHuff's ''[[Literature/KeepersChronicles Summon the Keeper]]'', Dean is a knock-down gorgeous guy, kind, handy around the house, and so well-grounded that world-weary Claire instinctively looks for roots sprouting from his sneakers. He's twenty and yep, a virgin. He blushes at the slightest hint of any "funny stuff", takes a while to understand anything, and Claire falls deep and hard for him. [[spoiler:In subsequent books, Claire and Dean do end up together, love-smitten enough to make you barf, and he loses his virginity quickly in the second book.]]
21st May '16 9:58:58 AM Eievie
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This trope is the reverse of the virgin as portrayed in classical literature. In ancient myths, virgins were often dedicated to some higher purpose. They were supposed to be above such things as lust and passion, upheld as an example that people should strive to follow... and if they fell from this pedestal, boy, did they fall hard. Just ask [[ClassicalMythology the goddess Artemis' attendants]]; if they gave in to the pleasures of the flesh, there was a world of hurt in store when the Boss Lady found out.

But sometime in the 20th century, there has been a sharp reversal. Virginity no longer guarantees VirginPower or some higher knowledge; in fact, it often indicates the opposite. Many contemporary characters who are still virgins over the age of consent will be TheDitz. The men will be shy to the point of social ineptitude -- or so desperate to [[AManIsNotAVirgin prove their manhood]] that they [[DoggedNiceGuy make idiots of themselves]]. By contrast, female virgins are usually portrayed as hopelessly dim, both in terms of intelligence and social skills. At best, such characters may be good at their jobs and/or book smart, but [[NaiveEverygirl naive to the point of ignorance]] (remember, this trope often overlaps with TheIngenue).

On the upside, these characters will seldom be downright nasty. While some virgins are inept-but-harmless, most are examples of DumbIsGood. They're usually [[NiceGuy sweet-natured and kind]] - you just wouldn't want them on your quiz team. In fact, their pleasant demeanor is one of the qualities that makes the opposite sex ([[EvenTheGuysWantHim and sometimes the same sex]]) ''[[NatureAdoresAVirgin want]]'' to sleep with them, whether it's because they appreciate these nice qualities... [[ForbiddenFruit or because they can't resist the challenge of deflowering an "innocent"]].

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This trope is the reverse of the virgin as portrayed in classical literature. In ancient myths, virgins were often dedicated to some higher purpose. They were supposed to be above such things as lust and passion, upheld as an example that people should strive to follow... follow… and if they fell from this pedestal, boy, did they fall hard. Just ask [[ClassicalMythology the goddess Artemis' attendants]]; if they gave in to the pleasures of the flesh, there was a world of hurt in store when the Boss Lady found out.

But sometime in the 20th century, there has been a sharp reversal. Virginity no longer guarantees VirginPower or some higher knowledge; in fact, it often indicates the opposite. Many contemporary characters who are still virgins over the age of consent will be TheDitz. The men will be shy to the point of social ineptitude -- or ineptitude--or so desperate to [[AManIsNotAVirgin prove their manhood]] that they [[DoggedNiceGuy make idiots of themselves]]. By contrast, female virgins are usually portrayed as hopelessly dim, both in terms of intelligence and social skills. At best, such characters may be good at their jobs and/or book smart, but [[NaiveEverygirl naive to the point of ignorance]] (remember, ignorance]]--remember, this trope often overlaps with TheIngenue).

TheIngenue.

On the upside, these characters will seldom be downright nasty. While some virgins are inept-but-harmless, most are examples of DumbIsGood. They're usually [[NiceGuy sweet-natured and kind]] - you kind]]--you just wouldn't want them on your quiz team. In fact, their pleasant demeanor is one of the qualities that makes the opposite sex ([[EvenTheGuysWantHim and sometimes the same sex]]) ''[[NatureAdoresAVirgin want]]'' to sleep with them, whether it's because they appreciate these nice qualities... qualities… [[ForbiddenFruit or because they can't resist the challenge of deflowering an "innocent"]].



The FamilyUnfriendlyAesop in this case seems to be that in order to understand how people work, you have to have slept with someone. Clearly, basic common sense, body language, and the word "no" is a poor defense against [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative bastards]] with a sex drive. To be fair, generally the (former) virgin's goodness will transform their [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys pursuer]] into a JerkWithAHeartOfGold... but probably not before they've slept together. In total, SexIsGood, no questions asked.

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The FamilyUnfriendlyAesop in this case seems to be that in order to understand how people work, you have to have slept with someone. Clearly, basic common sense, body language, and the word "no" is a poor defense against [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative bastards]] with a sex drive. To be fair, generally the (former) virgin's goodness will transform their [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys pursuer]] into a JerkWithAHeartOfGold... JerkWithAHeartOfGold… but probably not before they've slept together. In total, SexIsGood, no questions asked.



See also: MyGirlIsNotASlut and AManIsNotAVirgin. In the context of musical theatre, this character will ALWAYS be TheSoprano or a TenorBoy (frequently called a "dolt-boy"). Compare InnocentBigot and InnocentlyInsensitive; contrast VirginPower and CelibateEccentricGenius. Exceptions to the "nice-but-dim" virgin rule occur when there is a ChasteHero or AmazonBrigade running the show - even then, expect their virginity to be challenged (and more likely than not, relinquished) at some point in the plot. Also see {{Asexuality}} for portrayals of characters who genuinely don't want sex.

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See also: MyGirlIsNotASlut and AManIsNotAVirgin. In the context of musical theatre, this character will ALWAYS ''always'' be TheSoprano or a TenorBoy (frequently called a "dolt-boy"). Compare InnocentBigot and InnocentlyInsensitive; contrast VirginPower and CelibateEccentricGenius. Exceptions to the "nice-but-dim" virgin rule occur when there is a ChasteHero or AmazonBrigade running the show - even show--even then, expect their virginity to be challenged (and more likely than not, relinquished) at some point in the plot. Also see {{Asexuality}} for portrayals of characters who genuinely don't want ''don't want'' sex.
27th Apr '16 9:42:19 AM MsChibi
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But sometime in the 20th century, there has been a sharp reversal. Virginity no longer guarantees VirginPower or some higher knowledge; in fact, it often indicates the opposite. Many contemporary characters who are still virgins over the age of consent will be TheDitz. The men will be shy to the point of social ineptitude -- or so desperate to [[AManIsNotAVirgin prove their manhood]] that they make idiots of themselves. By contrast, female virgins are usually portrayed as hopelessly dim, both in terms of intelligence and social skills. At best, such characters may be good at their jobs and/or book smart, but naive to the point of ignorance (remember, this trope often overlaps with TheIngenue).

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But sometime in the 20th century, there has been a sharp reversal. Virginity no longer guarantees VirginPower or some higher knowledge; in fact, it often indicates the opposite. Many contemporary characters who are still virgins over the age of consent will be TheDitz. The men will be shy to the point of social ineptitude -- or so desperate to [[AManIsNotAVirgin prove their manhood]] that they [[DoggedNiceGuy make idiots of themselves.themselves]]. By contrast, female virgins are usually portrayed as hopelessly dim, both in terms of intelligence and social skills. At best, such characters may be good at their jobs and/or book smart, but [[NaiveEverygirl naive to the point of ignorance ignorance]] (remember, this trope often overlaps with TheIngenue).
27th Apr '16 9:40:56 AM MsChibi
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This trope is the reverse of the virgin as portrayed in classical literature. In ancient myths, virgins were often dedicated to some higher purpose. They were supposed to be above such things as lust and passion, upheld as an example that people should strive to follow... and if they fell from this pedestal, boy, did they fall hard. Just ask the goddess Artemis' attendants; if they gave in to the pleasures of the flesh, there was a world of hurt in store when the Boss Lady found out.

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This trope is the reverse of the virgin as portrayed in classical literature. In ancient myths, virgins were often dedicated to some higher purpose. They were supposed to be above such things as lust and passion, upheld as an example that people should strive to follow... and if they fell from this pedestal, boy, did they fall hard. Just ask [[ClassicalMythology the goddess Artemis' attendants; attendants]]; if they gave in to the pleasures of the flesh, there was a world of hurt in store when the Boss Lady found out.
8th Mar '16 2:46:01 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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See also: MyGirlIsNotASlut and AManIsNotAVirgin. In the context of musical theatre, this character will ALWAYS be TheSoprano or a TenorBoy (frequently called a "dolt-boy"). Compare InnocentBigot and InnocentlyInsensitive; contrast VirginPower. Exceptions to the "nice-but-dim" virgin rule occur when there is a ChasteHero or AmazonBrigade running the show - even then, expect their virginity to be challenged (and more likely than not, relinquished) at some point in the plot. Also see {{Asexuality}} for portrayals of characters who genuinely don't want sex.

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See also: MyGirlIsNotASlut and AManIsNotAVirgin. In the context of musical theatre, this character will ALWAYS be TheSoprano or a TenorBoy (frequently called a "dolt-boy"). Compare InnocentBigot and InnocentlyInsensitive; contrast VirginPower.VirginPower and CelibateEccentricGenius. Exceptions to the "nice-but-dim" virgin rule occur when there is a ChasteHero or AmazonBrigade running the show - even then, expect their virginity to be challenged (and more likely than not, relinquished) at some point in the plot. Also see {{Asexuality}} for portrayals of characters who genuinely don't want sex.
4th Mar '16 3:13:08 AM Morgenthaler
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* The plot of ''Film/{{Legend}}'' is kicked off when [[TheHero Jack]] takes virginal but headstrong and foolish Lili to see unicorns, which she just ''has'' to touch despite Jack's protest to the contrary. That contact sullied the unicorn enough to let the minions of Darkness take its horn. She does show enough smarts later to [[spoiler:trick the devil and save the unicorn from him,]] though it's arguable whether or not the fact that he tries (and nearly succeeds) in seducing her counts...

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* The plot of ''Film/{{Legend}}'' ''Film/{{Legend 1985}}'' is kicked off when [[TheHero Jack]] takes virginal but headstrong and foolish Lili to see unicorns, which she just ''has'' to touch despite Jack's protest to the contrary. That contact sullied the unicorn enough to let the minions of Darkness take its horn. She does show enough smarts later to [[spoiler:trick the devil and save the unicorn from him,]] though it's arguable whether or not the fact that he tries (and nearly succeeds) in seducing her counts...
10th Aug '15 9:29:11 PM BattleMaster
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** Subverted in one of Creator/AlanDeanFoster's Spellsinger books - it doesn't work, because the unicorn in question is both gay and apparently not too enchanted with humans.
*** Also, the human girl they attempted to use to summon the unicorn was a streetwise orphan who was definitely not stupid.

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** Subverted in one of Creator/AlanDeanFoster's Spellsinger books - it doesn't work, because the unicorn in question is both gay and apparently not too enchanted with humans.
*** Also, the human girl they attempted to use to summon the unicorn was a streetwise orphan who was definitely not stupid.
gay.
25th May '15 7:11:58 AM erforce
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* The virgin of the 'heroines' in ''Film/{{Hostel}} II'' is flaky, socially awkward due to anxieties, emotionally immature and lacking common sense. It doesn't even take a Casanova; a little alcohol and desperation for acceptance lubricates her path to [[spoiler:DeathBySex.]]

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* The virgin of the 'heroines' in ''Film/{{Hostel}} II'' ''Film/HostelPartII'' is flaky, socially awkward due to anxieties, emotionally immature and lacking common sense. It doesn't even take a Casanova; a little alcohol and desperation for acceptance lubricates her path to [[spoiler:DeathBySex.]]



* In the 1987 movie version of ''Franchise/{{Dragnet}}'', to some extent Joe Friday and Connie Swail, although it's more them being incredibly old-fashioned and uptight than idiotic.

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* In the 1987 movie version of ''Franchise/{{Dragnet}}'', ''Film/{{Dragnet}}'', to some extent Joe Friday and Connie Swail, although it's more them being incredibly old-fashioned and uptight than idiotic.
22nd May '15 12:24:47 PM zarpaulus
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* Matt of ''Webcomic/{{Concession}}'' almost seems to gain 20 IQ points after hooking up with Joel. Most likely related to how badly [[TransparentCloset closeted he was]] before then.

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* Matt of ''Webcomic/{{Concession}}'' almost seems to gain 20 IQ points after hooking up with Joel. Most likely related to how badly [[TransparentCloset closeted closeted]] he was]] was before then.



* Played straight and subverted at the same time with Norman Gates from ''PoisonedMinds'', [[http://www.poisonedminds.com/d/20020208.html as told in this strip.]] He's a dumb brute, but certianly not innocent. He just seems to genuinely lack those particular cravings, being busy spreading chaos and destruction instead.

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* Played straight and subverted at the same time with Norman Gates from ''PoisonedMinds'', ''Webcomic/{{SSDD}}'', [[http://www.poisonedminds.com/d/20020208.html as told in this strip.]] He's a dumb brute, but certianly not innocent. He just seems to genuinely lack those particular cravings, being busy spreading chaos and destruction instead.


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* In ''Webcomic/FauxPas'' Randy is portrayed as incredibly naive for the first [[LongRunner decade]] or so of the strip, especially in regards to sex, his entire knowledge of which comes from soap operas and specific to humans, he and his girlfriend Cindy being foxes. But, after his and Cindy's "honeymoon" he suddenly seems a lot more level headed and actually acts as a bit of a mentor to NaiveNewcomer Hubert.
5th Apr '15 7:17:38 PM nombretomado
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* In the second episode of ''DrawnTogether'', [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Princess Clara]] is revealed to be not only a virgin but also hopelessly naive and ignorant about sex, a fact which the [[ReallyGetsAround oversexed]] [[SassyBlackWoman Foxxy Love]] is completely unable to grasp.

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* In the second episode of ''DrawnTogether'', ''WesternAnimation/DrawnTogether'', [[EverythingsBetterWithPrincesses Princess Clara]] is revealed to be not only a virgin but also hopelessly naive and ignorant about sex, a fact which the [[ReallyGetsAround oversexed]] [[SassyBlackWoman Foxxy Love]] is completely unable to grasp.



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