History Main / ViolenceReallyIstheAnswer

1st Jan '18 7:39:25 PM Rippingtons60
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* In ''Manga/OnePiece'''s Alabasta Arc, Vivi believes that she can stop Crocodile's coup by convincing the rebels they are in fact [[UnwittingPawn unwitting pawns]] and stop the civil war Baroque Works is causing without anyone dying. Luffy, however, knows life isn't that simple, and convinces her that the best course of action is to stop pussyfooting around and just beat Crocodile.

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* In ''Manga/OnePiece'''s Alabasta Arc, Vivi believes that she can stop Crocodile's coup by convincing the rebels they are in fact [[UnwittingPawn unwitting pawns]] and stop the civil war Baroque Works is causing without anyone dying. Luffy, however, knows life isn't that simple, and convinces her that the best course of action is to stop pussyfooting around and just beat Crocodile.attack the problem at it's source; Crocodile himself.
10th Dec '17 4:42:43 PM nombretomado
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* ''Literature/IHadTroubleInGettingToSollaSollew'' by DrSeuss concludes with

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* ''Literature/IHadTroubleInGettingToSollaSollew'' by DrSeuss Creator/DrSeuss concludes with
30th Nov '17 6:28:07 PM dreamsepilogue
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* PlayedForLaughs in an episode of ''Red vs. Blue.'' A [[spoiler: newly-villainous Agent Washington]] needs to get information out of a group of aliens and is fully prepared to simply force it out of them, but [[ActualPacifist Doc]] convinces him to try negotiation first. [[spoiler: The aliens mock and insult him for it.]] [[spoiler: Washington's]] response to this says it all:
--->'''[[spoiler: Wash:]] '''[[TranquilFury It means]] [[PreAsskickingOneLiner peace talks have broken down.]]
5th Oct '17 11:42:15 PM marcoasalazarm
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': On at least two of the WesternAnimation/TreehouseOfHorror [[HalloweenEpisode Halloween Episodes]], Lisa made it so Springfield (and the world) became peaceful locations with no weapons... and were thus completely helpless when a threat (the zombies of various famous Western criminals ([[AndZoidberg and Kaiser Wilhelm]]) in one, Kang and Kodos invading ''armed with slingshots'' in another) came packing.
5th Oct '17 11:12:58 PM Eievie
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* ''I Had Trouble in Getting to Solla Sollew'' by DrSeuss concludes with
-> But I've bought a big bat
-> I'm all ready, you see.
-> Now my troubles are going
-> To have troubles with me!

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* ''I Had Trouble in Getting to Solla Sollew'' ''Literature/IHadTroubleInGettingToSollaSollew'' by DrSeuss concludes with
-> But -->But I've bought a big bat
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bat\\
I'm all ready, you see.
->
see.\\
Now my troubles are going
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going\\
To have troubles with me!
28th Sep '17 1:05:09 AM PaulA
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* Many L.E. Modesitt novels end up with the protagonist reluctantly using their magic or technology to become a PersonOfMassDestruction and completely destroying an enemy city, nation, or ''entire planet'', because they need to make sure there is no way that the enemy will be able to start another war, ever again, no matter what.
28th Aug '17 7:20:23 PM themisterfree
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** ''WesternAnimation/{{Animaniacs}}'' did this in the episode ''Bully for Skippy''. Slappy Squirrel's nephew is being horribly bullied at school, and his counselor keeps suggesting all the "solutions" RealLife counselors give: ignore the bully, try to befriend them, inform the bully that they've hurt your feelings, etc. Skippy just gets beat up worse and worse until he teams up with Aunt Slappy and breaks out the Cartoon Violence and dynamite... which oddly reforms the bully into a good citizen.

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** * ''WesternAnimation/{{Animaniacs}}'' did this in the episode ''Bully for Skippy''. Slappy Squirrel's nephew is being horribly bullied at school, and his counselor keeps suggesting all the "solutions" RealLife counselors give: ignore the bully, try to befriend them, inform the bully that they've hurt your feelings, etc. Skippy just gets beat up worse and worse until he teams up with Aunt Slappy and breaks out the Cartoon Violence and dynamite... which oddly reforms the bully into a good citizen.


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** That episode was also a TakeThat towards MoralGuardians and the FCC's then newly-instituted E/I laws (one of the killers of Saturday Mornings); throughout the episode, both the aforementioned counselor and [[NoCelebritiesWereHarmed FCC chairman Reef Blunt]] try to rein in Slappy's predilection for violence, and they send her a machine that eliminates violence, and she spends most of the episode setting it up. It turns out to be a machine that makes all cartoon violence happen offscreen- and of course, the counselor and Blunt are subjected to it.
28th Jul '17 2:10:41 PM xcountryguy
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** The movie ''Film/BatmanBegins'' presents an example where he has no choice, as his mentor turned enemy explicitly states that he feels no gratitude that Bruce previously saved his life and vows to kill Bruce if he doesn't join his cause. Ultimately, the movie flirts with TheDogShotFirst, since Batman doesn't kill the villain but rather [[SaveTheVillain declines to save him]], which is still at odds with Batman's code of ethics, at least the one established in the comics (especially as it was Batman's plan to stop the train that put the villain in a position which threatened his life). Of course, he was just starting out. It should also be noted that the villain was likely capable of saving himself, if he so wanted to. He seems to have solidified his moral code by the time of ''Film/TheDarkKnight''--when [[spoiler:the [[ChekhovsGun spring-loaded razors on his gauntlets]] cut the Joker and causes him to fall off the building, he still catches him]]. It could also be argued that [[spoiler:since he survived the fall, he might not have expected Dent to die when he prevented him from killing Gordon's son]]. [[spoiler: Batman can be excused for Dent's death, considering he was exhausted and shot, he only tackled Dent off the ledge to save a small child, and there really wasn't any way for him to know that there would be a fall that would kill Dent. Dent's death was an accident that Bruce can't really be held accountable for.]]

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** The movie ''Film/BatmanBegins'' presents an example where he has no choice, as his mentor turned enemy explicitly states that he feels no gratitude that Bruce previously saved his life and vows to kill Bruce if he doesn't join his cause. Ultimately, the movie flirts with TheDogShotFirst, since Batman doesn't kill the villain but rather [[SaveTheVillain declines to save him]], which is still at odds with Batman's code of ethics, at least the one established in the comics (especially as it was Batman's plan to stop the train that put the villain in a position which threatened his life). Of course, he was just starting out. It should also be noted that the villain was likely capable of saving himself, if he so wanted to. He seems to have solidified his moral code by the time of ''Film/TheDarkKnight''--when [[spoiler:the [[ChekhovsGun spring-loaded razors on his gauntlets]] cut the Joker and causes him to fall off the building, he still catches him]]. It could also be argued that [[spoiler:since he survived the fall, he might not have expected Dent to die when he prevented him from killing Gordon's son]]. [[spoiler: Batman [[spoiler:Batman can be excused for Dent's death, considering he was exhausted and shot, he only tackled Dent off the ledge to save a small child, and there really wasn't any way for him to know that there would be a fall that would kill Dent. Dent's death was an accident that Bruce can't really be held accountable for.]]



* In ''Series/ChinesePaladin'', Elder Shi is seen as a KnightTemplar because of his insistence that nothing will be gained by diplomacy with [[BigBad Bai Yue]]; various characters, including ''[[LadyOfWar the Nanzhao General]]'', take the time to privately advise [[AllLovingHero Ling'er]] differently. Elder Shi is later proved right, and there is a beautiful scene [[spoiler: at his funeral]] where each of the dissenting characters apologizes and pledges to give the battle their all.

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* In ''Series/ChinesePaladin'', Elder Shi is seen as a KnightTemplar because of his insistence that nothing will be gained by diplomacy with [[BigBad Bai Yue]]; various characters, including ''[[LadyOfWar the Nanzhao General]]'', take the time to privately advise [[AllLovingHero Ling'er]] differently. Elder Shi is later proved right, and there is a beautiful scene [[spoiler: at [[spoiler:at his funeral]] where each of the dissenting characters apologizes and pledges to give the battle their all.



* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' zig-zagged this in the last few episodes: [[MartialPacifist Aang]] speaks with his past lives and each one tells him, indirectly, that killing Ozai is justified--even a fellow monk pacifist tells him that as Avatar, the well-being of the people supersedes his own spiritual needs. Then Aang goes into the Avatar State, beats the ever living snot out of Ozai, and [[TechnicalPacifist refuses to complete the finishing move.]] THEN [[spoiler: Aang uses [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands energy bending]] to save the day without killing]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' zig-zagged this in the last few episodes: [[MartialPacifist Aang]] speaks with his past lives and each one tells him, indirectly, that killing Ozai is justified--even a fellow monk pacifist tells him that as Avatar, the well-being of the people supersedes his own spiritual needs. Then Aang goes into the Avatar State, beats the ever living snot out of Ozai, and [[TechnicalPacifist refuses to complete the finishing move.]] THEN [[spoiler: Aang [[spoiler:Aang uses [[NewPowersAsThePlotDemands energy bending]] to save the day without killing]].
25th Jul '17 3:51:39 PM Nerrin
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* Sorey spends ''VideoGame/TalesOfZestiria'' as a TechnicalPacifist, using his power to beat hellions down and purge the malevolence that had transformed them, but refusing to kill. He is forced to question whether his unwillingness to kill is really the best way, especially when he has party members who will finish enemies off, even right in front of him. It's not really whether he's right or wrong, though, but whether the strength of his convictions is firm enough to handle the day he ''has to'' kill someone - particularly the [[BigBad Lord of Calamity]] - without shaking him so much that it lets malevolence infect him. [[spoiler:Sorey ultimately kills the Lord of Calamity without falling to malevolence, doing it because he understands there truly is no other option and not because he discarded his principles for the sake of revenge.]]
24th Jul '17 12:28:43 AM ex_ottoyuhr
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** ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaIISimonsQuest'' and ''VideoGame/ZeldaIITheAdventureOfLink'' offer a different sort of subversion. The BigBad of the first game is dead, but his followers are [[TheRemnant very much still out there]], [[WoundThatWillNotHeal preventing reconstruction]] while scheming to get their leader back and conquer the world for real this time. Both games also have leveling-up side-scrolling gameplay mechanics, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMy4M3oKBPY gloomy]] yet [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc8gqn6Wo1Y awesome]] music, and understandably bad reputations.
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