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Probably the rarest type of Sue, as villains are already generally given great powers and abilities to be a more credible threat to the protagonists and make their inevitable downfall more sweet. A true Villain Sue has to go the extra mile in being more powerful than the heroes, usually by [[KarmaHoudini never having that inevitable downfall]], however, and they may even [[TheBadGuyWins win over the heroes]], [[ShootTheShaggyDog completely and utterly destroying them and undoing all their efforts]]--and even if they do lose, it may be via OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow rather than any non-AssPull method. In some cases, Villain Sue can be justified, for example if the villain is an EldritchAbomination and the plot revolves around a CosmicHorrorStory.

Probably the rarest type of Sue, as Villains are generally given great powers and abilities to be a more credible threat to the protagonists and make their inevitable downfall more sweet. A true Villain Sue will probably [[KarmaHoudini never have one]], however, and may even [[TheBadGuyWins win over the heroes]], [[ShootTheShaggyDog completely and utterly destroying them and undoing all their efforts]]- and even if they do lose, it may be via OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow rather than any non-AssPull method. In some cases, Villain Sue can be justified, given that the villain was an EldritchAbomination and the plot revolved around a CosmicHorrorStory.

->''"in every first novel the hero is the author as [[UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} Christ]] or as Myth/{{Faust}}."''

->''"Every first novel is the author either as [[UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} Christ]] or as Myth/{{Faust}}."''

MarySue is hardly limited to always being a goody two-shoes. This brand of Mary Sue decided to take the evil path, [[KickTheDog dropkicking a few dogs]] and probably [[EvilLaugh laughing like a maniac about it]] in the process. Whether it be stealing the {{Cosmic Keystone}}s out of the grasp of heroes, effortlessly bringing about the ironic utopia of the other villain, or just generally acting like a psycho, they absolutely love to be evil.

MarySue is hardly limited to always being a goody two-shoes. This brand of Mary Sue decided to take the dark and evil path, [[KickTheDog kicking a few dogs]] and probably [[EvilLaugh cackling about it]] in the process. Whether it be stealing the {{Cosmic Keystone}}s out of the grasp of the heroes, effortlessly bringing about the ironic utopia of the other villain, or just generally acting like a cad, they absolutely love to be evil.

This character generally shows up as an author's wish fulfillment to be ''evil''. Alternatively, in {{fanfiction}}, it might show up because the author [[RootingForTheEmpire favors the villain]] and wants a vicarious relationship with them. Or the fan-created insert-villain is just so much better and more powerful than the canon villain, who quickly becomes the Villain Sue's groveling minion (if not instantly and easily disposed of). It might be a consequence of EvilIsCool, [[GoneHorriblyRight taken to the logical extreme]]. Or, perhaps, the author just has a distaste for some (or all) of the protagonists and created the character to facilitate a HateFic, FixFic, or RevengeFic. Either way, the same author favoritism and plot bias are now working for the forces of evil. It may also come about as an attempt to create a MagnificentBastard or similar style of villain, only to go too far and become one of these.

As far as overlaps go, there are two major ones. SympatheticSue is an easy one where the intent is to show that the character [[FreudianExcuse just had a crappy enough life to be forced into villainy]]. With this overlap, they are more of a VillainProtagonist than an antagonist in most cases. Tends to show up most often in fanfiction. Expect the backstory to either be so extreme as to be a DeusAngstMachina or so laughably weak in comparison to their evil acts that it makes them UnintentionallyUnsympathetic. The other common overlap is the GodModeSue, with a [[SuperpowerLottery ridiculous power level]], forcing the heroes to hold the IdiotBall, and/or requiring DeusExMachina in order for the protagonists to stand a chance of defeating them. This is the type that generally shows up in {{canon}}. It can overlap with other types, such as JerkSue, as well, but it ''never'' overlaps with PuritySue (although they might become one after the HeelFaceTurn, once the plot [[EasilyForgiven forgets everything evil about them]]).

->''"Every first novel is the author either as [[Literature/TheBible Christ]] or as Myth/{{Faust}}."''

Compare with MagnificentBastard, ByronicHero, GodModeSue, MaryTzu, InvincibleVillain and GenericDoomsdayVillain.

This character generally shows up as an author's wish fulfillment to be ''evil''. Alternatively, in {{fanfiction}}, it might show up because the author [[RootingForTheEmpire favors the villain]] and wants a vicarious relationship with them. Or the fan-created insert-villain is just so much better and more powerful than the canon villain that they quickly become the Villain Sue's groveling minion (if not instantly and easily disposed of). It might be a consequence of EvilIsCool, [[GoneHorriblyRight taken to the logical extreme]]. Or, perhaps, the author just has a distaste for some (or all) of the protagonists and created the character to facilitate a HateFic, FixFic, or RevengeFic. Either way, the same author favoritism and plot bias are now working for the forces of evil. It may also come about as an attempt to create a MagnificentBastard or similar style of villain, only to go too far and become one of these.

This character generally shows up as an author's wish fulfillment to be ''evil''. Alternatively, in {{fanfiction}}, it might show up because the author [[RootingForTheEmpire favors the villain]] and wants a vicarious relationship with them. Or the fan-created insert-villain is just so much better and more powerful than the canon villain, who quickly becomes the Villain Sue's groveling minion (if not instantly and easily disposed of). It might be a consequence of EvilIsCool, [[GoneHorriblyRight taken to the logical extreme]]. Or, perhaps, the author just has a distaste for some (or all) of the protagonists and created the character to facilitate a HateFic, FixFic, or RevengeFic. Either way, the same author favoritism and plot bias are now working for the forces of evil. It may also come about as an attempt to create a MagnificentBastard or similar style of villain, only to go too far and become one of these.

This character generally shows up as an author's wish fulfillment to be ''evil''. Alternatively, in {{fanfiction}}, it might show up because the author [[RootingForTheEmpire favors the villain]] and wants a vicarious relationship with them. Or the fan-created insert-villain is just so much better and more powerful than the canon villain, who quickly becomes the Villain Sue's groveling minion. It might be a consequence of EvilIsCool, [[GoneHorriblyRight taken to the logical extreme]]. Or, perhaps, the author just has a distaste for some (or all) of the protagonists and created the character to facilitate a HateFic, FixFic, or RevengeFic. Either way, the same author favoritism and plot bias are now working for the forces of evil. It may also come about as an attempt to create a MagnificentBastard or similar style of villain, only to go too far and become one of these.

This character generally shows up as an author's wish fulfillment to be ''evil''. Alternatively, in {{fanfiction}}, it might show up because the author [[RootingForTheEmpire favors the villain]] and wants a vicarious relationship with them. It might be a consequence of EvilIsCool, [[GoneHorriblyRight taken to the logical extreme]]. Or, perhaps, the author just has a distaste for some (or all) of the protagonists and created the character to facilitate a HateFic, FixFic, or RevengeFic. Either way, the same author favoritism and plot bias are now working for the forces of evil. It may also come about as an attempt to create a MagnificentBastard or similar style of villain, only to go too far and become one of these.

Not to be confused with the ''Series/{{Glee}}'' BigBad of the same name.

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Obviously, as an element of WishFulfillment, there are no RealLife examples to speak of.

'''No examples, please. This only defines the term.'''

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As far as overlaps go, there are two major ones. SympatheticSue is an easy one where the intent is to show that the character [[FreudianExcuse just had a crappy enough life to be forced into villainy]]. With this overlap, they are more of a VillainProtagonist than an antagonist in most cases. Tends to show up most often in fanfiction. The other common overlap is the GodModeSue, with a [[SuperpowerLottery ridiculous power level]], forcing the heroes to hold the IdiotBall, and/or requiring DeusExMachina in order for the protagonists to stand a chance of defeating them. This is the type that generally shows up in {{canon}}. It can overlap with other types, such as JerkSue, as well, but it ''never'' overlaps with PuritySue (although they might become one after the HeelFaceTurn, once the plot [[KarmaHoudini forgets everything evil about them]]).

Probably the rarest type of Sue, as Villains are generally given great powers and abilities to be a more credible threat to the protagonists and make their inevitable downfall more sweet. A true Villain Sue will probably [[KarmaHoudini never have one]], however, and even if he does it may be via OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow rather than any non-AssPull method. In some cases, Villain Sue can be justified, given that the villain was an EldritchAbomination and the plot revolved around a CosmicHorrorStory.

Probably the rarest type of Sue, as Villains are generally given great powers and abilities to be a more credible threat to the protagonists and make their inevitable downfall more sweet. A true VillainSue will probably [[KarmaHoudini never have one]], however, and even if he does it may be via OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow rather than any non-AssPull method. In some cases, Villain Sue can be justified, given that the villain was an EldritchAbomination and the plot revolved around a CosmicHorrorStory.

->''"Every first novel is the author either as [[Literature/TheBible Christ]] or as {{Faust}}."''

'''No examples, please. Especially no Real Life ones. This only defines the term.'''

'''No examples, please. This only defines the term.'''

This character generally shows up as an author's wish fulfillment to be ''evil''. Alternatively, in {{fanfiction}}, it might show up because the author [[RootingForTheEmpire favors the villain]] and wants a vicarious relationship with them. It might be a consequence of EvilIsCool, taken to the logical extreme. Or, perhaps, the author just has a distaste for some (or all) of the protagonists and created the character to facilitate a HateFic, FixFic, or RevengeFic. Either way, the same author favoritism and plot bias are now working for the forces of evil. It may also come about as an attempt to create a MagnificentBastard or similar style of villain, only to go too far and become one of these.

-->-- '''Unknown''', possibly '''OscarWilde'''.

[[CaptainObvious Obviously]], as an element of WishFulfillment, there are no RealLife examples to speak of.

'''Also, no real life examples, please!'''

[[noreallife]]

Probably the rarest type of Sue, as Villains are generally given great powers and abilities to make their inevitable downfall more sweet. A true VillainSue will probably [[KarmaHoudini never have one]], however, and even if he does it may be via OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow rather than any non-AssPull method. In some cases, Villain Sue can be justified, given that the villain was an EldritchAbomination and the plot revolved around a CosmicHorrorStory.

Probably the rarest type of Sue, as Villains are generally given great powers and abilities to make their inevitable downfall more sweet. A true VillainSue will probably [[KarmaHoudini never have one]], however, and even if he does it may be via OnlyTheAuthorCanSaveThemNow rather than any non-AssPull method. [[CaptainObvious Obviously]], as an element of WishFulfillment, there are no RealLife examples to speak of.

Not to be confused with the ''{{Glee}}'' BigBad of the same name.

This character generally shows up as an author's wish fulfillment to be ''evil''. Alternatively, in {{fanfiction}}, it might show up because the author [[DracoInLeatherPants favors the villain]] and wants a vicarious relationship with them. It might be a consequence of EvilIsCool, taken to the logical extreme. Or, perhaps, the author just has a distaste for some (or all) of the protagonists and created the character to facilitate a HateFic, FixFic, or RevengeFic. Either way, the same author favoritism and plot bias are now working for the forces of evil. It may also come about as an attempt to create a MagnificentBastard or similar style of villain, only to go too far and become one of these.