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8th Feb '16 7:07:34 AM Anddrix
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* The Fourtune/EV 2.0 feud in Wrestling/{{TNA}} seemed to be based around the fact that Fourtune was pissed they had to make room in the spotlight for all the old ECW guys, most of whom they feel can't wrestle. Wrestling/RicFlair stated that until [the ECW guys] survive a plane crash like he did, they can't tell him shit about being "hardcore". Likewise, Wrestling/AJStyles feels he's helped make TNA what it is through his duty to the company, calling TNA "The House That AJ Styles Built" and declaring ECW has no right to [[SpotlightStealingSquad push him and the other originals out of the spotlight]]. They both have a point. What sends this into a combination of ViewersAreMorons[=/=]MindScrew territory is that the [=ECW/EV2.0=] guys were famously loyal to Paul Heyman because they always came first to him (other guys would come in but he never put them over at the expense of his originals). The audience was supposed to boo Fourtune (the original TNA guys, for the most part) because they're complaining [=EV2.0=] (the invaders) are taking over their show, when the invaders' original company (ECW) achieved its success because the original ECW manager was loyal to his originals and never pushed them aside. Furthermore, the ECW guys are supposed to be faces, but they're doing something that the original ECW despised (pushing aside original talent in favor of other, more famous people).
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* The Fourtune/EV 2.0 feud in Wrestling/{{TNA}} seemed to be based around the fact that Fourtune was pissed they had to make room in the spotlight for all the old ECW guys, most of whom they feel can't wrestle. Wrestling/RicFlair stated that until [the ECW guys] survive a plane crash like he did, they can't tell him shit about being "hardcore". Likewise, Wrestling/AJStyles feels he's helped make TNA what it is through his duty to the company, calling TNA "The House That AJ Styles Built" and declaring ECW has no right to [[SpotlightStealingSquad push him and the other originals out of the spotlight]]. They both have a point. What sends this into a combination of ViewersAreMorons[=/=]MindScrew MindScrew territory is that the [=ECW/EV2.0=] guys were famously loyal to Paul Heyman because they always came first to him (other guys would come in but he never put them over at the expense of his originals). The audience was supposed to boo Fourtune (the original TNA guys, for the most part) because they're complaining [=EV2.0=] (the invaders) are taking over their show, when the invaders' original company (ECW) achieved its success because the original ECW manager was loyal to his originals and never pushed them aside. Furthermore, the ECW guys are supposed to be faces, but they're doing something that the original ECW despised (pushing aside original talent in favor of other, more famous people).
5th Feb '16 6:27:26 PM HK87
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* Every antagonist in ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' is right, and the fears they give for their actions are completely real. The Giha village chief is right that living underground keeps them safe, the Adai village chief is right that they don't have enough food to feed more people so his methods keep the the village as a whole alive, Lordgenome is right that suppressing humanity keeps them safe from [[spoiler:the Anti-Spirals]], and they're completely justified in their goals because otherwise [[spoiler:the universe is at risk]]. The only reason that the heroes are more right is because this is a universe fuelled by [[HotBlooded manly spirit]], which allows them to kick reason to the curb and come up with a better solution than the rational one.
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* Every antagonist in ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' is right, and the fears they give for their actions are completely real. The Giha village chief is right that living underground keeps them safe, the Adai village chief is right that they don't have enough food to feed more people so his methods keep the the village as a whole alive, Lordgenome is right that suppressing humanity keeps them safe from [[spoiler:the Anti-Spirals]], and they're completely justified in their goals because otherwise [[spoiler:the universe is at risk]]. The only reason that the heroes are more right is because this is a universe fuelled by [[HotBlooded manly spirit]], which allows them to kick reason to the curb and come up with a better solution than the rational cynical one.
28th Dec '15 4:43:18 PM Anddrix
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* ComicBook/DoctorDoom is a megalomaniac who wants to TakeOverTheWorld. However, the reason he wants to is because he honestly believes that it will be for the benefit of mankind. And he is ''right.'' He was able to look into the future and see all the possible futures that could come to pass and the only one free of human suffering and strife was the one where he was in control of humanity. Though the validity of the point is undermined by his methods, which usually amount to depriving humanity of most of its free will.
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* ComicBook/DoctorDoom Doctor Doom is a megalomaniac who wants to TakeOverTheWorld. However, the reason he wants to is because he honestly believes that it will be for the benefit of mankind. And he is ''right.'' He was able to look into the future and see all the possible futures that could come to pass and the only one free of human suffering and strife was the one where he was in control of humanity. Though the validity of the point is undermined by his methods, which usually amount to depriving humanity of most of its free will.
18th Dec '15 10:54:17 PM Odacon_Spy
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** At one point, a group of bandits tries to steal tax money the Earth Queen demanded Korra deliver to her in exchange for helping find the [[spoiler: new airbenders]] in Ba Sing Se. After she and Asami fight them and drive them off, one of them exclaims that she's on the wrong side, and the gold belongs to the people. Korra admits that she has a feeling that he's right, but still delivers the gold in the hopes the Earth Queen would uphold her end of the bargain, and calls the Earth Queen out when she doesn't uphold her end of the bargain.
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** At one point, a group of bandits tries to steal tax money the Earth Queen demanded Korra deliver to her in exchange for helping find the [[spoiler: new airbenders]] in Ba Sing Se. After she and Asami fight them and drive them off, one of them exclaims that she's on the wrong side, and the gold belongs to the people. Korra admits that she has a feeling that he's right, but still delivers the gold in the hopes the Earth Queen would uphold her end of the bargain, and calls the Earth Queen out when she doesn't uphold her end of the bargain.doesn't.
13th Dec '15 10:08:19 PM gophergiggles
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* Agent Edgar Ross in the PlayableEpilogue of ''VideoGame/RedDeadRedemption'' blames John for John's death by pointing out the man chose to be an outlaw in the first place. True John had honestly [[HeelFaceTurn turned over a new leaf]] and Ross had pulled one hell of a KickTheDog by deciding to just kill John anyways, but it's definitely true the man would never have been hunted down by the law had he never become a criminal.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', Queen Chrysalis indulges in some villainous gloating and points that her plan could have easily been foiled right then and there had the others actually listened to Twilight Sparkle's suspicions and warnings of Princess Cadance being evil. While it's true that Twilight was being one ''hell'' of a dick with the way she was going about it, you'd think the Princess's protege claiming to have witnessed [[MindControl mind-altering magic]] in a world where mind-altering magic is not only very real but has been faced by her and her friends before would have been taken with at least a bit of seriousness.
10th Dec '15 10:56:44 AM gophergiggles
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* Flowey the Flower from ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' makes a lot of valid points [[spoiler:in a {{Meta}} sense once you learn of his MediumAwareness and ability to [[BreakingTheFourthWall see you right through the fourth wall]].]]
2nd Dec '15 10:40:21 AM bitemytail
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* In ''Videogame/ShadowHearts'' we have [[spoiler: Albert Simon, A.K.A.]] Roger Bacon. Through most of the game we see he is pretty dead-set on bringing about the Apocalypse and has numerous plans to do it. In the end it turns out he wants to wipe the world's slate clean and make it a garden of Eden. He has seen the worst of man-kind and can tell that it's going to get even worse still (World War I is on the way) and wants to save it before it get's to that point. The twist is he has no intention of ruling it, so it's not even as if he is robbing man-kind of anything but it's worst. Though even if he is going to bring them back, a lot of people are still going to die during his renovation.
28th Nov '15 1:45:34 PM gophergiggles
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** Dr. M from ''VideoGame/Sly3HonorAmongThieves'' may be [[BadBoss a terrible person to work with]], [[MadScientist a lab nut]], and an overall IneffectualSympatheticVillain but he DID buy the island legally so everything is technically his and he could've claimed his right to kill Sly seeing that Sly invaded his land.
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** Dr. M from ''VideoGame/Sly3HonorAmongThieves'' may be [[BadBoss a terrible person to work with]], [[MadScientist a lab nut]], and an overall IneffectualSympatheticVillain but he DID buy the island legally so everything is technically his and his. When he's held at gunpoint by Inspector Carmelita he could've claimed his right to kill Sly seeing even points this out: that Sly invaded he's only defending his land.legal property from a group of notorious and wanted thieves.
26th Nov '15 6:43:13 PM jormis29
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* ''VideoGame/SplinterCell: Conviction'': During his MotiveRant, [[spoiler:Tom Reed]] says he was motivated to assassinate President Caldwell because she was threatening to shut down Third Echelon which would have left the country open to attack. Though this undermined by his true motivation being to simply stay in power, they're ultimately proven right in ''Blacklist'', when 3E's absence allows for a devastating terrorist attack on Anderson AFB and Caldwell being forced to create Fourth Echelon to combat the Engineers.
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* ''VideoGame/SplinterCell: Conviction'': ''VideoGame/SplinterCellConviction'': During his MotiveRant, [[spoiler:Tom Reed]] says he was motivated to assassinate President Caldwell because she was threatening to shut down Third Echelon which would have left the country open to attack. Though this undermined by his true motivation being to simply stay in power, they're ultimately proven right in ''Blacklist'', ''[[VideoGame/SplinterCellBlacklist Blacklist]]'', when 3E's absence allows for a devastating terrorist attack on Anderson AFB and Caldwell being forced to create Fourth Echelon to combat the Engineers.
23rd Nov '15 8:25:42 PM ASTOL01
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* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' episode "Sock Opera" Bill Cipher points out that while Dipper's sacrificed his own needs and wants for Mabel, his twin has never really repaid the favor. Later on, when the triangle fights Mabel for the journal, he tells her that she had no problem abandoning her brother to obsess over her latest crush, not to mention taking one of his possessions without permission to use a prop in her puppet show.
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* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' episode "Sock Opera" Bill Cipher points out that while Dipper's sacrificed his own needs and wants for Mabel, his twin has never really repaid the favor. Later on, when the triangle fights Mabel for the journal, he tells her that she had no problem abandoning her brother to obsess over her latest crush, not to mention taking one of his possessions without permission to use a prop in her puppet show. Unfortunately, [[NiceJobFixingItVillain Mabel realizes he's right]], and resolves to stop him for her brother's sake, even if it means ruining her play. -->'''Bill:''' I mean, who would sacrifice everything they've worked for just for their dumb sibling? -->'''Mabel:''' ''[[HeroicWillpower ...Dipper would.]]''
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