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25th Aug '16 5:22:32 PM SuperSauce
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* ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'': Mike and Sulley accidentally break [[DeanBitterman Dean Hardscrabble's]] last memento of her scaring career, so she gives them a dressing down, by giving them hypothetical scenarios that they both fail, and get kicked out of the program for. She fails Mike immediately because as smart as he is, he's just not intimidating, and she fails Sulley because, while he's intimidating, he doesn't use his head to analyze and adapt to scaring situations. The film shows she's right about both, and they need to work together to be efficient.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MonstersUniversity'': Mike and Sulley accidentally break [[DeanBitterman Dean Hardscrabble's]] last memento of her scaring career, so she gives them a dressing down, by giving them hypothetical scenarios that they both fail, and for which they get kicked out of the program for.program. She fails Mike immediately because as smart as he is, he's just not intimidating, and she fails Sulley because, while he's intimidating, he doesn't use his head to analyze and adapt to scaring situations. The film shows she's right about both, and they need to work together to be efficient.
22nd Aug '16 4:05:13 PM nombretomado
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* Dagoth Ur from ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' is a malicious, insane, conquer that wants to rule the world by spreading a blight disease that rots the mind and turn those inflicted into insane zombies but he does have a point for his hatred of outlanders. The Tribunal pretty much set themselves as undisputed rulers that freely encourage slavery and look down on the native ashlanders. And the Imperials are arguably not much better, especially if one plays this game after ''TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' which showed them at their worst (if you play as a Stormcloak).

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* Dagoth Ur from ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' is a malicious, insane, conquer that wants to rule the world by spreading a blight disease that rots the mind and turn those inflicted into insane zombies but he does have a point for his hatred of outlanders. The Tribunal pretty much set themselves as undisputed rulers that freely encourage slavery and look down on the native ashlanders. And the Imperials are arguably not much better, especially if one plays this game after ''TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' which showed them at their worst (if you play as a Stormcloak).
19th Aug '16 5:37:03 AM MagBas
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** By that logic, Ross can't complain about Jack killing him. Ross deliberately chose to kidnap John's family and hold them hostage in order to force John to work with him. If John really is a dangerous outlaw, Ross is taking a risk by even associating with him, let alone forcing him to co-operate by criminally abusing his federal authority and harming innocents. If Ross dies because of these risks, he is at least partly to blame for choosing to take them.
19th Aug '16 3:57:53 AM Ajardoor
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** By that logic, Ross can't complain about Jack killing him. Ross deliberately chose to kidnap John's family and hold them hostage in order to force John to work with him. If John really is a dangerous outlaw, Ross is taking a risk by even associating with him, let alone forcing him to co-operate by criminally abusing his federal authority and harming innocents. If Ross dies because of these risks, he is at least partly to blame for choosing to take them.
9th Aug '16 1:53:29 PM tromag
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** The short story ''In A Good Cause...'' centres around two old friends, both initially part of a movement towards human [[TheFederation federation]] in the face of the united alien empire of the Diaboli, with one remaining the idealist and getting arrested for it several times, and the other turning against him and gradually rising up in Earth's government. The first scene encourages the reader to sympathize with the idealist by establishing that there now is a united human federation, and it regards the idealist with respect and a bit of shame for repeatedly arresting him. Every time the two friends interact (the story uses large time-jumps to pass the time the idealist actually spends in prison), the one who turned against the movement chides the idealist for not being pragmatic enough. In the final scene where the two interact... the pragmatist's manipulations has led to the aliens being defeated and the human worlds moving towards federation, just as they both wanted all along.

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** The short story ''In A Good Cause...'' centres around follows two old friends, both initially part friends over decades as their paths diverge, one of a movement towards them an idealist desperately trying to unite the human [[TheFederation federation]] race in the face of the united an alien empire of the Diaboli, with one remaining the idealist and getting arrested for it several times, and threat, the other turning a soldier and later a political leader who fights in multiple wars against him and gradually rising up in Earth's government. The first scene encourages the reader to sympathize with the idealist by establishing that there now is a united other human federation, and it regards the idealist with respect and a bit of shame for repeatedly arresting him. Every time the two friends interact (the story uses large time-jumps to pass the time the idealist actually spends in prison), the one who turned against the movement chides the idealist for not being pragmatic enough. In the final scene where the two interact... the pragmatist's manipulations has led to factions. When the aliens being defeated and finally do attack, the human worlds moving towards federation, just as they both wanted all along.factions unite and make short work of them. The soldier points out to his friend that decades of internal competition had forced humanity to advance militarily, which protected them from outside invaders. Though events have proved him right, he acknowledges that his friend's idealism will make him a hero in the future, while his own militarism will make him history's DesignatedVillain.
3rd Aug '16 7:16:09 AM DevilEyes
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* In ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'' episode 3 of season 1, "The Asset", genius billionaire Ian Quinn, who is revealed as morally corrupt in the same episode and later becomes even more villainous, warns Skye against SHIELD, as he is trying to recruit her to work for him. He tells her that she fits the "profile" of people SHIELD usually recruits: "You're a criminal. You have a warrant somewhere. Specialized skill set. No family. I'm sorry, I didn't meant to hit the nerve, but that's what these people do. SHIELD. They pray on loneliness and fear and desperation, and then they offer home to those who have no one else to turn to." One can't deny the truth in his words, especially after after we get to see Ward's backstory later in the season. Coulson also seems to partially fits the profile as he lost his father early and has no living family.
23rd Jul '16 12:55:59 PM KeithM
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** In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', Thor has emotionally matured to the point that he openly states Loki was right, and even more, Thor doesn't have (nor wants to have) the ability to be as ruthless as the king of Asgard sometimes has to be.
23rd Jul '16 12:33:12 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* And, in the context of ''Star Wars'' as a whole, Palpatine was right all along. Yes, he's the Sith Lord Darth Sidious. Yes, the Sith are the most evil thing in the galaxy. Yes, he's guilty of treason. But the fact remains that the Jedi are both a [[CorruptChurch theocratic cabal]] and a cadre of armed vigilantes who hypocritically claim to serve the Republic while operating against it. Their plot to have Anakin spy on Palpatine - which Anakin himself is repulsed by - is surely illegal in spirit if not in letter, and the Jedi deserve to be punished for insubordination, even if only for the sake of form. And as a side note, Mace Windu's unhinged anger when he goes to arrest Palpatine and his apparent willingness to kill in a fit of vigilante outrage gives the lie to the Jedis' claim that they are pacifistic and non-aggressive - and in principle makes them worse than the Sith, because [[AtLeastIAdmitIt the Sith openly admit that they act out of anger and hatred]].
23rd Jul '16 12:28:26 PM Valiona
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* The YouTube channel "outsidexbox" does something similar to the Cracked example for video games with "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQS1ttWNN-I 7 Bad Guys Who Had a Point, Now I Think About It]]"
9th Jul '16 12:47:55 PM 10-13-2
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* And, in the context of ''Star Wars'' as a whole, Palpatine was right all along. Yes, he's the Sith Lord Darth Sidious. Yes, the Sith are the most evil thing in the galaxy. Yes, he's guilty of treason. But the fact remains that the Jedi are both a [[CorruptChurch theocratic cabal]] and a cadre of armed vigilantes who hypocritically claim to serve the Republic while operating against it. Their plot to have Anakin spy on Palpatine - which Anakin himself is repulsed by - is surely illegal in spirit if not in letter, and the Jedi deserve to be punished for insubordination, even if only for the sake of form. And as a side note, Mace Windu's unhinged anger when he goes to arrest Palpatine and his apparent willingness to kill in a fit of vigilante outrage gives the lie to the Jedis' claim that they are pacifistic and non-aggressive - and in principle makes them worse than the Sith, because [[AtLeastIAdmitIt the Sith openly admit that they act out of anger and hatred]].
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