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9th Aug '17 2:00:40 PM SuperSonicHeroes
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* In season 15 of [[Machinima/RedVsBlue Red vs Blue]], [[spoiler:Temple, the leader of the Blues and Reds]] is attacking the [=UNSC=] and killing Freelancers. While a lot of civilians are being caught in the crossfire and most of the Freelancers were good people, he has his motives for this. [[spoiler:Every simulation trooper in Project Freelancer, including him and his team, was either drafted by the [=UNSC=] or willingly enrolled to serve their planet, but the [=UNSC=] still saw fit to sell their lives to Project Freelancer where they would fight a never-ending meaningless "war" for the real agents. They were treated as test subjects at best and [[RedSHirtArmy living training dummies at worst]]. Temple lost his childhood best friend during a training match between Carolina and Tex, and neither even bothered trying to save his life.]] After learning what they were used as, his anger becomes understandable over this.

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* In season 15 of [[Machinima/RedVsBlue Red vs Blue]], [[spoiler:Temple, the leader of the Blues and Reds]] is attacking the [=UNSC=] and killing Freelancers. While a lot of civilians are being caught in the crossfire and most of the Freelancers were good people, he has his motives for this. [[spoiler:Every simulation trooper in Project Freelancer, including him and his team, was either drafted by the [=UNSC=] or willingly enrolled to serve their planet, but the [=UNSC=] still saw fit to sell their lives to Project Freelancer where they would fight a never-ending meaningless "war" for the real agents. They were treated as test subjects at best and [[RedSHirtArmy living training dummies at worst]]. Temple lost his childhood best friend during a training match between Carolina and Tex, and neither even bothered trying to save his life.]] After learning what they were used as, his anger becomes understandable over this. Later, he [[WhatTheHellHero chews out Tucker and Simmons]] for treating their teammate Caboose like a baby instead of adult. Although he does this while mocking Caboose over [[spoiler:Church's death and revealing he's never coming back]] he does [[BrutalHonesty make a few good points]] that because Caboose is treated like a baby just because of his lower intelligence he can't understand basic concepts like [[spoiler:death]].
26th Jul '17 6:37:27 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/WonderWoman'': While [[spoiler:Ares]] does give mankind new ideas for developing weapons, he claims that humans carry out acts of violence entirely on their own volition and that [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters war is in their nature]]. Given that UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and several other conflicts occur after his death and without his direct influence, [[spoiler:Ares]] is not entirely wrong.

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* ''Film/WonderWoman'': While [[spoiler:Ares]] does give mankind new ideas for developing weapons, he claims that humans carry out acts of violence entirely on their own volition and that [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters war is in their nature]]. Given that UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and several other conflicts occur after his death and without his direct influence, [[spoiler:Ares]] is not entirely wrong. This is acknowledged by Wonder Woman herself in the final scene when she notes that after decades of being on Earth, she has resigned herself to trying to save one human life at a time instead of trying to change all of humanity.
26th Jul '17 3:34:48 AM FoxBluereaver
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* Chapter 26 of PokemonResetBloodlines has a scathing Villain vs. Villain example, with this TheReasonYouSuck speech Sabrina gives Dario:
-->'''Sabrina''': The world is being filled with the inadequate, the dull, and the lazy. Even as the remarkable do prove themselves, your kind crowds them out. No one can see the good artists from the average, the excellent cooks from the boring, the remarkable artist from the one who simply copies…I have felt their frustrations as sure as I have felt them myself. You are a prime example of what your kind does to the truly talented Dario. You had no remarkable skill at anything, you're driven on to produce inferior results, where better talented people could have easily been obtained if you weren't given [[{{Nepotism}} your cushion of family blood]]. You couldn't even bother trying to fix yourself; you instead looked at actual talent around you, like Lara Laramie, and [[TallPoppySyndrome tried to bring her down to your level with trickery and sabotage.]] In trying to make yourself, a waste of space with no talent, look good, you made so many with actual skill and brains look bad. You cost them business, reputation, self-esteem, and caused actual injuries to themselves and the Pokémon they put more time into than you ever did yours. Yet, you can't even manage that, you failed and made yourself so exposed that no one will be surprised when [[spoiler: they find your dead body in the water tomorrow]]. You were so pathetic you reacted the same [[spoiler: in two timelines.]]
23rd Jul '17 2:29:45 PM gb00393
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** During a heated exchange when Catelyn Stark tries to insult Jamie Lannister by calling him 'Kingslayer' and dishonourable, Jaime rightly points out that the king in question was an insane monster (he could have equally pointed out that Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon also betrayed the king by rebelling against him in the first place). Then Jaime points out that Ned Stark (Catelyn's husband), while honourable, was not without his flaws either and Catelyn herself hardly fulfills the ideals of "family, duty, honor" either, since she had always resented her husband's illegitimate son [[HeroicBastard Jon Snow]], an innocent child, for something that was not Jon's fault. Jamie is an asshole, and his own behavior has not been any better, but he is not wrong when he points out this self-righteous hypocrisy.

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** During a heated exchange when Catelyn Stark tries to insult Jamie Jaime Lannister by calling him 'Kingslayer' and dishonourable, Jaime rightly points out that the king in question was an insane monster (he could have equally pointed out that Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon also betrayed the king by rebelling against him in the first place). Then Jaime points out that Ned Stark (Catelyn's husband), while honourable, was not without his flaws either and Catelyn herself hardly fulfills the ideals of "family, duty, honor" either, since she had always resented her husband's illegitimate son [[HeroicBastard Jon Snow]], an innocent child, for something that was not Jon's fault. Jamie Jaime is an asshole, and his own behavior has not been any better, but he is not wrong when he points out this self-righteous hypocrisy.


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** Tywin is absolutely correct about Joffrey neither being a wise or a good king.
20th Jul '17 7:51:40 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'' features the Divine Powers as the newest and biggest threat not just to Tokyo, but ''the entire universe'', as their plan is to [[YourSoulIsMine reap human souls en masse]] and create a new universe. The Divine Powers are notably the one supernatural faction in the game that cannot be sided with (unlike Merkabah, Lucifer, Danu, and Dagda), yet their leader, Krishna, makes a very good point as to why they're trying to replace the universe: [[spoiler:[[OrderVersusChaos order and chaos]] are not inherently bad things, but they've been twisted by [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] and His minions, who have forced Law to equal "side with the angels and usher in a WorldOfSilence" and Chaos to equal "side with the demons and bring about a world of AsskickingEqualsAuthority."]]

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* ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'' features the Divine Powers as the newest and biggest threat not just to Tokyo, but ''the entire universe'', as their plan is to [[YourSoulIsMine reap human souls en masse]] and create a new universe. The Divine Powers are notably the one supernatural faction in the game that cannot be sided with (unlike Merkabah, Lucifer, Danu, and Dagda), Dagda) and all other factions [[TeethClenchedTeamwork work together grudgingly]] to stop them, yet their leader, Krishna, makes a very good point as to why they're trying to replace the universe: [[spoiler:[[OrderVersusChaos order and chaos]] are not inherently bad things, but they've been twisted by [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] and His minions, who have forced Law to equal "side with the angels and usher in a WorldOfSilence" and Chaos to equal "side with the demons and bring about a world of AsskickingEqualsAuthority."]]
20th Jul '17 7:50:38 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'' features the Divine Powers as the newest and biggest threat not just to Tokyo, but ''the entire universe'', as their plan is to [[SoulSteal reap human souls en masse]] and create a new universe. The Divine Powers are notably the one supernatural faction in the game that cannot be sided with (unlike Merkabah, Lucifer, Danu, and Dagda), yet their leader, Krishna, makes a very good point as to why they're trying to replace the universe: [[spoiler:[[OrderVersusChaos order and chaos]] are not inherently bad things, but they've been twisted by [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] and His minions, who have forced Law to equal "side with the angels and usher in a WorldOfSilence" and Chaos to equal "side with the demons and bring about a world of AsskickingEqualsAuthority."]]

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* ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'' features the Divine Powers as the newest and biggest threat not just to Tokyo, but ''the entire universe'', as their plan is to [[SoulSteal [[YourSoulIsMine reap human souls en masse]] and create a new universe. The Divine Powers are notably the one supernatural faction in the game that cannot be sided with (unlike Merkabah, Lucifer, Danu, and Dagda), yet their leader, Krishna, makes a very good point as to why they're trying to replace the universe: [[spoiler:[[OrderVersusChaos order and chaos]] are not inherently bad things, but they've been twisted by [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] and His minions, who have forced Law to equal "side with the angels and usher in a WorldOfSilence" and Chaos to equal "side with the demons and bring about a world of AsskickingEqualsAuthority."]]
20th Jul '17 7:50:27 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIVApocalypse'' features the Divine Powers as the newest and biggest threat not just to Tokyo, but ''the entire universe'', as their plan is to [[SoulSteal reap human souls en masse]] and create a new universe. The Divine Powers are notably the one supernatural faction in the game that cannot be sided with (unlike Merkabah, Lucifer, Danu, and Dagda), yet their leader, Krishna, makes a very good point as to why they're trying to replace the universe: [[spoiler:[[OrderVersusChaos order and chaos]] are not inherently bad things, but they've been twisted by [[GodIsEvil YHVH]] and His minions, who have forced Law to equal "side with the angels and usher in a WorldOfSilence" and Chaos to equal "side with the demons and bring about a world of AsskickingEqualsAuthority."]]
20th Jul '17 1:47:44 PM ectostar
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Time and time again a story is told with the classic [[BlackAndWhiteMorality hero vs. villain]] setup with the villain committing acts deemed evil by good, neutral, and the normally apathetic. The villain usually commits said acts for their own personal reasons, be it [[ItsAllAboutMe pride]], [[AmbitionIsEvil ambition]], [[KnightTemplar self-righteousness]], [[AGodAmI megalomania]], or even [[LoveMakesYouEvil love]]. But wait, they have a justified reason for their actions? They may not be so much [[ObviouslyEvil evil]] as they are [[AntiVillain anti]]? They may end up sending the hero into a [[HeroicBSOD depression]] after their motives come to light? Here is a villain who has a justified reason for being what they are, or has justifiable motives, or makes accurate assessments of the world or the hero/es. In any case, this is a villain who unexpectedly has a point about something. Or even if they are none of all they are still too close to the truth for comfort.

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Time and time again a story is told with the classic [[BlackAndWhiteMorality hero vs. villain]] setup with the villain committing acts deemed evil by good, neutral, and the normally apathetic. The villain usually commits said acts for their own personal reasons, be it [[ItsAllAboutMe pride]], [[AmbitionIsEvil ambition]], {{ambition|IsEvil}}, [[KnightTemplar self-righteousness]], [[AGodAmI megalomania]], or even [[LoveMakesYouEvil love]]. {{love|MakesYouEvil}}. But wait, they have a justified reason for their actions? They may not be so much [[ObviouslyEvil evil]] as they are [[AntiVillain anti]]? {{anti|Villain}}? They may end up sending the hero into a [[HeroicBSOD depression]] after their motives come to light? Here is a villain who has a justified reason for being what they are, or has justifiable motives, or makes accurate assessments of the world or the hero/es.hero(es). In any case, this is a villain who unexpectedly has a point about something. Or even if they are none of all they are still too close to the truth for comfort.
16th Jul '17 5:49:06 AM SuperSonicHeroes
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* In season 15 of [[Machinima/RedVsBlue Red vs Blue]], [[spoiler:Temple, the leader of the Blues and Reds]] is attacking the [=UNSC=] and killing Freelancers. While a lot of civilians are being caught in the crossfire and most of the Freelancers were good people, he has his motives for this. [[spoiler:Every simulation trooper in Project Freelancer, including him and his team, was either drafted by the [=UNSC=] or willingly enrolled to serve their planet, but the [=UNSC=] still saw fit to sell their lives to Project Freelancer where they would fight a never-ending meaningless "war" for the real agents. They were treated as test subjects at best and [[RedSHirtArmy living training dummies at worst]]. Temple lost his childhood best friend during a training match between Carolina and Tex, and neither even bothered trying to save his life.]] After learning what they were used as, his anger becomes understandable over this.
13th Jul '17 1:36:03 PM Jake
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* ''VideoGame/HomeworldDesertsOfKharak'''s antagonists are Kiith Gaalsien, a religious extremist faction that opposes the development of space travel for fear of divine retribution. At the very end of the campaign, the BigBad goes on a long rant about how the good guys will bring fiery death and destruction down on all Kharak if they continue down this path... And anyone who has played the original ''VideoGame/{{Homeworld}}'' will be acutely aware that [[DoomedByCanon that's exactly what happens]], albeit for reasons that have a lot less to do with divine wrath than the Gaalsien believed.
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