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20th Feb '17 9:18:38 AM SeptimusHeap
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* ''Literature/WetDesertTrackingDownATerroristOnTheColoradoRiver'': Grant and the FBI can't help but find the bomber's aim to restore the Colorado River delta to be understandable.
14th Feb '17 11:54:17 AM falcon2484
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** The Shop is also unfortunately correct in wanting to keep the two in custody, reasoning that if Charlie's abilities were to become widely known, virtually every other power on earth would stop at nothing to gain control over her. As misguided as the Shop is for planning to use Charlie's abilities for its own ends, in its own twisted way it's keeping America safe.
10th Feb '17 2:15:45 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* In the recent run of ''ComimicBook/CaptainAmerica'' the Red Skull gave a speech on current events that was intended to show him as a monster, but seems to have hit home with some right leaning readers. [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgment That is all we will say about that]]
** For the speech [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FuN-nS5I0o see here]]



* In the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'', [[spoiler:[[BiggerBad Nightmare Eclipse/Paradox]]]] points out that Discord is responsible for so much misery ([[spoiler:something she knows first hoof, being a [[FutureMeScaresMe potential future version of Dark World!Twilight]]]]) that he deserves an AndIMustScream fate [[spoiler:which she gave him]]. While she's undoubtedly a monster, it's hard to argue with the point. [[spoiler:The problem is [[GroundhogDayLoop her method]] ended up being ''worse'' than Discord's own crimes and Discord has long since had a HeelRealization.]]

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* In the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'', [[spoiler:[[BiggerBad Nightmare Eclipse/Paradox]]]] [[spoiler:Nightmare Eclipse/Paradox]] points out that Discord is responsible for so much misery ([[spoiler:something she knows first hoof, being a [[FutureMeScaresMe potential future version of Dark World!Twilight]]]]) that he deserves an AndIMustScream fate [[spoiler:which she gave him]]. While she's undoubtedly a monster, it's hard to argue with the point. [[spoiler:The problem is [[GroundhogDayLoop her method]] ended up being ''worse'' than Discord's own crimes and Discord has long since had a HeelRealization.]]
10th Feb '17 2:12:27 AM TheJJBL
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** For the speech [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-2w5fBKZ8I see here]]

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** For the speech [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-2w5fBKZ8I com/watch?v=_FuN-nS5I0o see here]]
10th Feb '17 2:09:51 AM TheJJBL
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*In the recent run of ''ComimicBook/CaptainAmerica'' the Red Skull gave a speech on current events that was intended to show him as a monster, but seems to have hit home with some right leaning readers. [[RuleofCautiousEditingJudgment That is all we will say about that]]
**For the speech [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-2w5fBKZ8I see here]]
6th Feb '17 11:19:12 AM Stranrep
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* While Zamasu, KnightTemplar god-student of Supremee Kai Gowasu of Universe 10 has become the BigBad in ''Future Trunks Arc'' in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' and went on to destroy all mortals considering all of them evil and stupid, his overall view on them is not entirely unfounded. Mortals do misuse the knowledge of the gods and have committed several atrocities: Frieza and the Saiyans were cold-hearted planet brokers who regularly committed genocide for profit; Dr. Gero used his great mind to create mass-murdering androids, one of whom (Cell) literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate]]'' [[ImAHumanitarian people]], all to settle [[EvilIsPetty a petty grudge]] with Goku; and Bibidi and Babidi unleashed Majin Buu on Universe 7 and caused the deaths of nearly all of the Supreme Kais and killed billions of people. There's also Bulma, who after knowing that time travel can bring really great disasters, ''still went on to create time machine''. Zamasu's FatalFlaw, however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability]] to see that not all mortals are [[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil by nature]].

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* While Zamasu, KnightTemplar god-student of Supremee Supreme Kai Gowasu of Universe 10 has become the BigBad in ''Future Trunks Arc'' in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' and went on to destroy all mortals considering all of them evil and stupid, his overall view on them is not entirely unfounded. Mortals do misuse the knowledge of the gods and have committed several atrocities: Frieza and the Saiyans were cold-hearted planet brokers who regularly committed genocide for profit; Dr. Gero used his great mind to create mass-murdering androids, one of whom (Cell) literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate]]'' [[ImAHumanitarian people]], all to settle [[EvilIsPetty a petty grudge]] with Goku; and Bibidi and Babidi unleashed Majin Buu on Universe 7 and caused the deaths of nearly all of the Supreme Kais and killed billions of people. There's also Bulma, who after knowing that time travel can bring really great disasters, ''still went on to create time machine''. Zamasu's FatalFlaw, however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability]] to see that not all mortals are [[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil by nature]].
30th Jan '17 4:23:43 PM Owlorange1995
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Due to the nature of their villainy, if they become too excessive in their methods they can easily fall under WellIntentionedExtremist. InUniverse they can easily fall under DesignatedVillain. Compare AntiVillain and AmbiguouslyEvil. Compare JerkassHasAPoint and StrawmanHasAPoint for other characters designed to be detestable who nevertheless are right about something. Compare TheHorseshoeEffect, when two people purport to be ideological opponents and yet have beliefs in common.

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Due to the nature of their villainy, if they become too excessive in their methods they can easily fall under WellIntentionedExtremist. InUniverse they can easily fall under DesignatedVillain. Compare AntiVillain and AmbiguouslyEvil. Compare HypocriteHasAPoint, JerkassHasAPoint and StrawmanHasAPoint for other characters designed to be detestable who nevertheless are right about something. Compare TheHorseshoeEffect, when two people purport to be ideological opponents and yet have beliefs in common.
26th Jan '17 8:22:28 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* Dagoth Ur from ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' is a malicious, insane, conquer that wants to rule the world by spreading a blight disease that rots the mind and turn those inflicted into insane zombies but he does have a point for his hatred of outlanders. The Tribunal pretty much set themselves as undisputed rulers that freely encourage slavery and look down on the native ashlanders. And the Imperials are arguably not much better, especially if one plays this game after ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' which showed them at their worst (if you play as a Stormcloak).

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* Dagoth Ur from ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' is a malicious, insane, conquer malicious insane conqueror that wants to rule the world by spreading a blight disease that rots the mind and turn those inflicted into insane zombies but he does have a point for his hatred of outlanders. The Tribunal pretty much set themselves as undisputed rulers that freely encourage slavery and look down on the native ashlanders. And the Imperials are arguably not much better, especially if one plays this game after ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' which showed them at their worst (if you play as a Stormcloak).
26th Jan '17 8:07:37 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* While Zamasu, KnightTemplar god-student of Supremee Kai Gowasu of Universe 10 has become the BigBad in ''Future Trunks Arc'' in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' and went on to destroy all mortals considering all of them evil and stupid, his overall view on them is not entirely unfounded. Mortals do misuse the knowledge of the gods and have committed several atrocities: Frieza and the Saiyans were cold-hearted planet brokers who regularly committed genocide for profit; Dr. Gero used his great mind to create mass-murdering androids, one of whom (Cell) literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate]]'' [[ImAHumanitarian people]], all to settle [[EvilIsPetty a petty grudge]] with Goku; and Bibidi and Babidi unleashed Majin Buu on Universe 7 and caused the deaths of nearly all of the Supreme Kais and killed billions of people. There's also Bulma, who after knowing that time travel can bring really great disasters, ''still went on to create time mashine''. Zamasu's FatalFlaw, however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability]] to see that not all mortals are [[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil by nature]].

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* While Zamasu, KnightTemplar god-student of Supremee Kai Gowasu of Universe 10 has become the BigBad in ''Future Trunks Arc'' in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' and went on to destroy all mortals considering all of them evil and stupid, his overall view on them is not entirely unfounded. Mortals do misuse the knowledge of the gods and have committed several atrocities: Frieza and the Saiyans were cold-hearted planet brokers who regularly committed genocide for profit; Dr. Gero used his great mind to create mass-murdering androids, one of whom (Cell) literally ''[[ImAHumanitarian ate]]'' [[ImAHumanitarian people]], all to settle [[EvilIsPetty a petty grudge]] with Goku; and Bibidi and Babidi unleashed Majin Buu on Universe 7 and caused the deaths of nearly all of the Supreme Kais and killed billions of people. There's also Bulma, who after knowing that time travel can bring really great disasters, ''still went on to create time mashine''.machine''. Zamasu's FatalFlaw, however, is his [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity inability]] to see that not all mortals are [[AlwaysChaoticEvil evil by nature]].
23rd Jan '17 11:14:07 AM Allronix
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** Even his OmnicidalManiac status has justification; for a thousand years, Summoners and their Guardians have been repeating the same cycle - march to their deaths, push Sin back for a few years, only for Sin to return and keep destroying everything. He just figures that since Sin is just going to wipe every living thing out anyway, he might as well speed it along and give the world a MercyKill.
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