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10th Dec '16 12:07:59 AM Nicoaln
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* Perhaps most surprisingly, a ''[[VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon Pokémon]]'' villain delivers one of these to the player. [[spoiler: Lillie proceeds to yell at Lusamine that people and Pokémon are not things to be collected. Lusamine promptly tells her that that's ''exactly'' what a trainer does, even going to say that a trainer will remove Pokémon from their party to replace with others.]] They're not incorrect in that regard - the player most likely did ''exactly'' that.
9th Dec '16 3:33:38 PM upupandaway42
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* In the ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' episode [[Recap/ArrowS5E7Vigilante "Vigilante"]], while the titular VigilanteMan is clearly a KnightTemplar, most of Team Arrow, a group mostly comprised of morally grey [[AntiHero anti-heroes]], support his actions at first, until his actions result in civilian casualties that Vigilante [[KickTheDog dismisses as "collateral damage"]]. [[Comicbook/GreenArrow Oliver]], while being against Vigilante from the start, has to concede Vigilante's point that [[WretchedHive Star City]] is worse than ever, and Green Arrow's [[ThouShaltNotKill gentler]] methods aren't necessarily getting the job done.
8th Dec '16 10:06:47 AM TheSteelFire
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Time and time again a story is told with the classic [[BlackAndWhiteMorality hero vs. villain]] setup with the villain committing acts deemed evil by good, neutral, and the normally apathetic. The villain usually commits said acts for their own personal reasons, be it [[ItsAllAboutMe pride]], [[AmbitionIsEvil ambition]], [[KnightTemplar self-righteousness]], [[AGodAmI megalomania]], or even [[LoveMakesYouEvil love]]. But wait, they have a justified reason for their actions? They may not be so much [[ObviouslyEvil evil]] as they are [[AntiVillain anti]]? They may end up sending the hero into a [[HeroicBSOD depression]] after their motives come to light? Here is a villain who has a justified reason for being what they are, or has justifiable motives, or makes accurate assessments of the world or the hero/es. In any case, this is a villain who unexpectedly has a point about something. Or even if they are none of all they are still to close to the truth for comfort.

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Time and time again a story is told with the classic [[BlackAndWhiteMorality hero vs. villain]] setup with the villain committing acts deemed evil by good, neutral, and the normally apathetic. The villain usually commits said acts for their own personal reasons, be it [[ItsAllAboutMe pride]], [[AmbitionIsEvil ambition]], [[KnightTemplar self-righteousness]], [[AGodAmI megalomania]], or even [[LoveMakesYouEvil love]]. But wait, they have a justified reason for their actions? They may not be so much [[ObviouslyEvil evil]] as they are [[AntiVillain anti]]? They may end up sending the hero into a [[HeroicBSOD depression]] after their motives come to light? Here is a villain who has a justified reason for being what they are, or has justifiable motives, or makes accurate assessments of the world or the hero/es. In any case, this is a villain who unexpectedly has a point about something. Or even if they are none of all they are still to too close to the truth for comfort.
5th Dec '16 12:28:09 PM MarsJenkar
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** The current version of the fangame ''VideoGame/MegaManRockForce'' brings this back into focus. Apparently, Dr. Light only managed to get a stay granted for some of the robots after the events of ''9''; the expiration law still exists, and the apparent BigBad, a WellIntentionedExtremist, wants it gone. [[spoiler:Justice Man is the apparent--and, in this case, ''actual''--BigBad in question, but his actions are caused by a fundamental defect in his programming that would, according to Dr. Light, have eventually resulted in him JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope had he not been stopped.]] After the dust has settled, [[LampshadeHanging Dr. Light points out that despite the villain's cause being the result of a flawed mind, it was still a valid point]], and he would actively work to make sure the expiration law was repealed once and for all.
30th Nov '16 11:39:31 AM Truffle
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* ''Film/DayOfTheDead1985'': Captain Rhodes makes a lot of logical points that are hard to argue with. He spent years surviving the ZombieApocalypse inside an unused mine, protecting the scientists who were supposed to be working on a cure. Then he finds out the chief scientist has wasted countless hours training a zombie to be docile, plans on doing it to other zombies, and was feeding said zombie the bodies of Rhode's deceased friends. He rightfully points out that he and the rest of the soldiers risked their lives everyday for a pointless cause, demanding that they scrap the plan and simply take a helicopter out of the mines in search of someplace safe.

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* ''Film/DayOfTheDead1985'': Captain Rhodes makes a lot of logical points that are hard to argue with. He spent years months surviving the ZombieApocalypse inside an unused mine, protecting the scientists who were supposed to be working on a cure. Then he finds out the chief scientist has wasted countless hours training a zombie to be docile, plans on doing it to other zombies, and was feeding said zombie the bodies of Rhode's deceased friends. He rightfully points out that he and the rest of the soldiers risked their lives everyday for a pointless cause, demanding that they scrap the plan and simply take a helicopter out of the mines in search of someplace safe.
30th Nov '16 11:34:52 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* In ''Film/DrStrange'', the main character seems to be almost persuaded by the villain Kaecilius and his promise of eternal life for everybody. In fact, actor Mads Mikkelsen playing Kaecilius perceived his character as a hero: "The key to any good villain, which I think was very clear from the beginning of this journey, is that they have a point. It’s not completely crazy what they’re saying. That is a point, even in Doctor Strange’s eyes he does believe I have a point (...)".

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* In ''Film/DrStrange'', ''Film/DoctorStrange'', the main character seems to be almost persuaded by the villain Kaecilius and his promise of eternal life for everybody. In fact, actor Mads Mikkelsen playing Kaecilius perceived his character as a hero: "The key to any good villain, which I think was very clear from the beginning of this journey, is that they have a point. It’s not completely crazy what they’re saying. That is a point, even in Doctor Strange’s eyes he does believe I have a point (...)".
30th Nov '16 11:33:49 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* In ''Film/Dr. Strange'', the main character seems to be almost persuaded by the villain Kaecilius and his promise of eternal life for everybody. In fact, actor Mads Mikkelsen playing Kaecilius perceived his character as a hero: "The key to any good villain, which I think was very clear from the beginning of this journey, is that they have a point. It’s not completely crazy what they’re saying. That is a point, even in Doctor Strange’s eyes he does believe I have a point (...)".

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* In ''Film/Dr. Strange'', ''Film/DrStrange'', the main character seems to be almost persuaded by the villain Kaecilius and his promise of eternal life for everybody. In fact, actor Mads Mikkelsen playing Kaecilius perceived his character as a hero: "The key to any good villain, which I think was very clear from the beginning of this journey, is that they have a point. It’s not completely crazy what they’re saying. That is a point, even in Doctor Strange’s eyes he does believe I have a point (...)".
30th Nov '16 11:30:52 AM Truffle
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* ''Film/DayOfTheDead'': Captain Rhodes makes a lot of logical points that are hard to argue with. He spent years surviving the ZombieApocalypse inside an unused mine, protecting the scientists who were supposed to be working on a cure. Then he finds out the chief scientist has wasted countless hours training a zombie to be docile, plans on doing it to other zombies, and was feeding said zombie the bodies of Rhode's deceased friends. He rightfully points out that he and the rest of the soldiers risked their lives everyday for a pointless cause, demanding that they scrap the plan and simply take a helicopter out of the mines in search of someplace safe.

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* ''Film/DayOfTheDead'': ''Film/DayOfTheDead1985'': Captain Rhodes makes a lot of logical points that are hard to argue with. He spent years surviving the ZombieApocalypse inside an unused mine, protecting the scientists who were supposed to be working on a cure. Then he finds out the chief scientist has wasted countless hours training a zombie to be docile, plans on doing it to other zombies, and was feeding said zombie the bodies of Rhode's deceased friends. He rightfully points out that he and the rest of the soldiers risked their lives everyday for a pointless cause, demanding that they scrap the plan and simply take a helicopter out of the mines in search of someplace safe.
30th Nov '16 11:28:40 AM Truffle
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* ''Film/DayOfTheDead'': Captain Rhodes makes a lot of logical points that are hard to argue with. He spent years surviving the ZombieApocalypse inside an unused mine, protecting the scientists who were supposed to be working on a cure. Then he finds out the chief scientist has wasted countless hours training a zombie to be docile, plans on doing it to other zombies, and was feeding said zombie the bodies of Rhode's deceased friends. He rightfully points out that he and the rest of the soldiers risked their lives everyday for a pointless cause, demanding that they scrap the plan and simply take a helicopter out of the mines in search of someplace safe.
23rd Nov '16 5:18:00 AM ParisAM
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*In ''Film/Dr. Strange'', the main character seems to be almost persuaded by the villain Kaecilius and his promise of eternal life for everybody. In fact, actor Mads Mikkelsen playing Kaecilius perceived his character as a hero: "The key to any good villain, which I think was very clear from the beginning of this journey, is that they have a point. It’s not completely crazy what they’re saying. That is a point, even in Doctor Strange’s eyes he does believe I have a point (...)".
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