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25th Apr '16 4:33:37 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* In ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' and [[Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus its sequel series]], the main villains want to overthrow the Olympians and take over the world in their place. Should they succeed, it would lead to the total collapse of civilization and the enslavement, if not outright destruction, of humanity. That being said, many times they bring up the valid point that the Olympians themselves can be unbelievably petty and cruel, even to those that don't deserve it, and that they can often be inattentive or uncaring to the mortals that need and look up to them. One of the major reasons the bad guys in the first series had an army of demigods on their side in the first place was due to their feelings of abandonment, believing themselves to be forsaken not just by the gods, but by their own ''parents''. Even the main characters admit at several times, that while the Olympians may be overall better than the villains they are fighting against, they sure as hell aren't what they would call good.

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* In ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' and [[Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus its sequel series]], the main villains want to overthrow the Olympians and take over the world in their place. Should they succeed, it would lead to the total collapse of civilization and the enslavement, if not outright destruction, of humanity. That being said, many times they bring up the valid point that the Olympians themselves can be unbelievably petty and cruel, even to those that don't deserve it, and that they can often be inattentive or uncaring to the mortals that need and look up to them. One of the major reasons the bad guys in the first series had an army of demigods on their side in the first place was due to their feelings of abandonment, believing themselves to be forsaken not just by the gods, but by their own ''parents''. Even the main characters admit at several times, [[BlackAndGrayMorality that while the Olympians may be overall better than the villains they are fighting against, they sure as hell aren't what they would call good.good]].
25th Apr '16 4:23:02 PM TheUnknownUploader
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19th Apr '16 11:58:43 AM AlisterFaust
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* In ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' and [[Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus its sequel series]], the main villains want to overthrow the Olympians and take over the world in their place. Should they succeed, it would lead to the total collapse of civilization and the enslavement, if not outright destruction, of humanity. That being said, many times they bring up the valid point that the Olympians themselves can be unbelievably petty and cruel, even to those that don't deserve it, and that they can often be inattentive or uncaring to the mortals that need and look up to them. One of the major reasons the bad guys in the first series had an army of demigods on their side in the first place was due to their feelings of abandonment, believing themselves to be forsaken not just by the gods, but by their own ''parents''. Even the main characters admit at several times, that while the Olympians may be overall better than the villains they are fighting against, they sure as hell aren't what they would call good.
16th Apr '16 11:39:01 AM Dechstreme
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** And Klaus Wulfenbach, who maintains order (and genuine peace and prosperity) across Europa via merciless naked force, and who ruthlessly hunts down/tries to kill the protagonist Agatha because of the quite-genuine threat her mere existence brings to everything he's accomplished.

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** And Klaus Wulfenbach, who maintains order (and genuine peace and prosperity) across Europa via merciless naked force, and who ruthlessly hunts down/tries to kill the protagonist Agatha because of the quite-genuine threat her mere existence brings to everything he's accomplished. Unfortunately, part of the problems he's having was due to PoorCommunicationKills and a bit of WrongGenreSavvy regarding how to deal with Agatha, which is one of the reasons why Agatha ran away from him and ended up setting off the DisasterDominoes that ended up with the Pax Wulfenbach ending. [[spoiler:And then there are hints of there being a StableTimeLoop in place...]]
8th Apr '16 7:44:14 PM garfield2710
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* In ''Film/BigHeroSix'', [[spoiler: Prof. Callaghan coldly tells Hiro that Tadashi's death was his own fault. That may not have been the right thing to say, especially at that point in time, but what he said is correct. Tadashi ran into building fully engulfed in flames, in a futile attempt to try to find Callaghan, when he had no idea where he was. Noble as it may have been, that was [[TooDumbToLive a monumentally stupid thing to do]] that Callaghan had no control over.]]

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* In ''Film/BigHeroSix'', ''Disney/BigHero6'', [[spoiler: Prof. Callaghan coldly tells Hiro that Tadashi's death was his own fault. That may not have been the right thing to say, especially at that point in time, but what he said is correct. Tadashi ran into building fully engulfed in flames, in a futile attempt to try to find Callaghan, when he had no idea where he was. Noble as it may have been, that was [[TooDumbToLive a monumentally stupid thing to do]] that Callaghan had no control over.]]
8th Apr '16 7:43:03 PM garfield2710
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* In ''Film/BigHeroSix'', [[spoiler: Prof. Callaghan coldly tells Hiro that Tadashi's death was his own fault. That may not have been the right thing to say, especially at that point in time, but what he said is correct. Tadashi ran into building fully engulfed in flames, in a futile attempt to try to find Callaghan, when he had no idea where he was. Noble as it may have been, that was [[TooDumbToLive a monumentally stupid thing to do]] that Callaghan had no control over.]]
7th Apr '16 11:36:52 AM Wildstar93
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* ''Film/TheJungleBook2016'' has Shere Khan demanding Mowgli dead because of what humans have done to him. He does go off the deep end later, but considering how [[FridgeHorror humans have made tigers an endangered species and what they do to the environment]], he does have a lot of evidence that [[HumansAreBastards humans can be cruel]] to animals.
1st Apr '16 9:26:54 AM trixus
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* In ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/AttackOfTheClones'' Count Dooku tries to get Obi-Wan to [[WeCanRuleTogether join him]] by claiming the Republic is beyond saving and needs to be replaced, that it's so corrupt a Sith Lord has been able to seize control of it entirely. While him being said Sith Lord's apprentice ruins his argument somewhat (Republic corruption mostly come from said Sith Lord), he does have a point; the Republic by this time is incapable of preserving law and order even on the more civilised planets, {{Mega Corp}}s have ''legal'' private armies, and most Senators are more interested in preserving their wealth and power than in actually helping their constituents. He's ultimately proven right, as the New Republic established after the fall of Palpatine's Empire focuses more on restoring the spirit of the Old Republic instead of just its bureaucracy.

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* In ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/AttackOfTheClones'' Count Dooku tries to get Obi-Wan to [[WeCanRuleTogether join him]] by claiming the Republic is beyond saving and needs to be replaced, that it's so corrupt a Sith Lord has been able to seize control of it entirely. While him being said Sith Lord's apprentice ruins his argument somewhat (Republic (Republic's corruption mostly come from said Sith Lord), Lord and the trade federation might not have went through their war without his back up), he does have a point; the Republic by this time is incapable of preserving law and order even on the more civilised planets, {{Mega Corp}}s have ''legal'' private armies, and most Senators are more interested in preserving their wealth and power than in actually helping their constituents. He's ultimately proven right, as the New Republic established after the fall of Palpatine's Empire focuses more on restoring the spirit of the Old Republic instead of just its bureaucracy.
1st Apr '16 9:24:56 AM trixus
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* In ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/AttackOfTheClones'' Count Dooku tries to get Obi-Wan to [[WeCanRuleTogether join him]] by claiming the Republic is beyond saving and needs to be replaced, that it's so corrupt a Sith Lord has been able to seize control of it entirely. While him being said Sith Lord's apprentice ruins his argument somewhat, he does have a point; the Republic by this time is incapable of preserving law and order even on the more civilised planets, {{Mega Corp}}s have ''legal'' private armies, and most Senators are more interested in preserving their wealth and power than in actually helping their constituents. He's ultimately proven right, as the New Republic established after the fall of Palpatine's Empire focuses more on restoring the spirit of the Old Republic instead of just its bureaucracy.

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* In ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/AttackOfTheClones'' Count Dooku tries to get Obi-Wan to [[WeCanRuleTogether join him]] by claiming the Republic is beyond saving and needs to be replaced, that it's so corrupt a Sith Lord has been able to seize control of it entirely. While him being said Sith Lord's apprentice ruins his argument somewhat, somewhat (Republic corruption mostly come from said Sith Lord), he does have a point; the Republic by this time is incapable of preserving law and order even on the more civilised planets, {{Mega Corp}}s have ''legal'' private armies, and most Senators are more interested in preserving their wealth and power than in actually helping their constituents. He's ultimately proven right, as the New Republic established after the fall of Palpatine's Empire focuses more on restoring the spirit of the Old Republic instead of just its bureaucracy.
18th Mar '16 4:16:29 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* In ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', the New Regime trailer. While Injustice!Superman and his fellows became evil, they are right: before coming to power, [[JokerImmunity criminals were unstoppable]], as it was essentially nothing to fear for them: government did nothing to properly imprison or punish, and heroes didn't kill in any circumstance. [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity "Look at the Joker. Would he even exist if not for you?"]]

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* In ''VideoGame/InjusticeGodsAmongUs'', the New Regime trailer. While Injustice!Superman and his fellows became evil, established a dictatorship and went to the deep end, they are right: have a point: before their coming to power, [[JokerImmunity criminals were unstoppable]], as it was essentially nothing to fear for them: government did nothing to properly imprison or punish, and heroes didn't kill in any circumstance. [[VideoGame/BatmanArkhamCity "Look at the Joker. Would he even exist if not for you?"]]
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