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21st Nov '17 7:28:46 AM OlmoJV
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** While King Louie is trying to sway Mowgli whom he believes can teach him the secret of making fire, he shouts at one point "Don't run away from who you are!" As a man-cub who's been told to act like the jungle animals, Mowgli has his identity as a major struggle. Later in the climax, Mowgli decides who he is: after he [[spoiler:extinguishes the torch he stole to fight Shere Khan]] and gets some coaching from Bagheera ([[CharacterDevelopment who has earlier insisted Mowgli to repress his human creativeness]]), he defeats Shere Khan by [[CombatPragmatist fighting not like a wolf but like a man]], embracing both his human nature and upbringing in the jungle.
21st Nov '17 4:00:46 AM PlasmaTalon
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** The revelation that Asgard conquered the other realms actually gives all of Thor's previous enemies valid points. The Frost Giants, Dark Elves and countless others may have wanted to destroy Asgard but, Asgard did conqueror all of them first.
20th Nov '17 4:24:00 PM PlasmaTalon
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** While Hela the BigBad of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' wants to take over Asgard and conqueror the other realms, she reveals that Asgard only became so powerful and influential because she and Odin did exactly that millennia earlier. With Odin only becoming the kind and benevolent king everyone knows him as now after they'd won and [[WrittenByTheWinners changed the story to paint Asgard in a better light]]. While she [[spoiler:his eldest child]] was locked away for being too ambitious, and the warriors who gave their lives in those conquests and were once honored, were sealed in a tomb to be forgotten. Its easy to see why she feels so spiteful and entitled.
*** Surtur the Fire Demon makes it clear that he wishes for nothing more than to destroy Asgard and everyone in it. But he ''is'' prophesied to do so during Ragnarok, making it pretty much his job. [[spoiler:This ends up being a good thing, since Hela draws power from Asgard itself, making it's destruction a tragic but ultimately lesser evil compared to stopping her.]]

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** While Hela the BigBad of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' wants to take over Asgard and conqueror the other realms, conquer everything in sight. While everyone scoffs at her she reveals that Asgard only became so powerful and influential because she and Odin already did exactly that millennia earlier. it once before. With Odin only having been a warmonger before becoming the kind and benevolent king everyone knows him as now now. Even after they'd won and his change of heart he [[WrittenByTheWinners changed had history rewritten, erasing all mentions and evidence of the story to paint Asgard in a better light]]. While she [[spoiler:his eldest child]] was locked away for being too ambitious, and war]]. Including all the dead Asgardian warriors who gave their lives in those conquests lives. Moving them from their honored halls and were once honored, were sealed in into a tomb dark crypt to be forgotten. Its easy While he was right to see why imprison Hela when her desire for conquest grew insatiable, it was he who set her down that path by choosing to wage war on the other realms in the first place and making her his executioner. While her megalomania ultimately ruins whatever arguments she feels so spiteful and entitled.
makes, they're all fairly justified.
*** Surtur the Fire Demon makes it clear that he wishes for nothing more than to destroy Asgard and everyone in it. But he ''is'' prophesied to do so during Ragnarok, making it pretty much his job. [[spoiler:This ends up being a good thing, since Hela draws power from thing in the end. As destroying Asgard itself, making it's destruction is the only way to stop Hela. Making it a tragic but ultimately lesser evil compared to stopping her.necessary sacrifice.]]
20th Nov '17 3:57:35 AM PlasmaTalon
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** While Hela the BigBad of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' wants to take over Asgard and conqueror the other realms, she reveals that Asgard only became as powerful and prestigious as it is because she and Odin did exactly that millennia earlier. With Odin only becoming the kind and benevolent king everyone knows him as now after they'd won and [[WrittenByTheWinners changed the story to paint Asgard in a better light]]. Then locked Hela away when her lust for power led her to rebel.
* In ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/AttackOfTheClones'' Count Dooku tries to get Obi-Wan to [[WeCanRuleTogether join him]] by claiming the Republic is beyond saving and needs to be replaced, that it's so corrupt a Sith Lord has been able to seize control of it entirely. While him being said Sith Lord's apprentice ruins his argument somewhat (Republic's corruption mostly come from said Sith Lord and the trade federation might not have went through their war without his back up), he does have a point; the Republic by this time is incapable of preserving law and order even on the more civilised planets, {{Mega Corp}}s have ''legal'' private armies, and most Senators are more interested in preserving their wealth and power than in actually helping their constituents. In the old EU he's ultimately proven right, as the New Republic established after the fall of Palpatine's Empire focuses more on restoring the spirit of the Old Republic instead of just its bureaucracy; in the new Disney universe the restored republic is just as bad as it's predecessor.

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** While Hela the BigBad of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' wants to take over Asgard and conqueror the other realms, she reveals that Asgard only became as so powerful and prestigious as it is influential because she and Odin did exactly that millennia earlier. With Odin only becoming the kind and benevolent king everyone knows him as now after they'd won and [[WrittenByTheWinners changed the story to paint Asgard in a better light]]. Then While she [[spoiler:his eldest child]] was locked away for being too ambitious, and the warriors who gave their lives in those conquests and were once honored, were sealed in a tomb to be forgotten. Its easy to see why she feels so spiteful and entitled.
*** Surtur the Fire Demon makes it clear that he wishes for nothing more than to destroy Asgard and everyone in it. But he ''is'' prophesied to do so during Ragnarok, making it pretty much his job. [[spoiler:This ends up being a good thing, since
Hela away when her lust for draws power led her from Asgard itself, making it's destruction a tragic but ultimately lesser evil compared to rebel.
stopping her.]]
* In ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/AttackOfTheClones'' Count Dooku tries to get Obi-Wan to [[WeCanRuleTogether join him]] by claiming the Republic is beyond saving and needs to be replaced, that it's so corrupt a Sith Lord has been able to seize control of it entirely. While him being said Sith Lord's apprentice ruins his argument somewhat (Republic's corruption mostly come from said Sith Lord and the trade federation might not have went through their war without his back up), he does have a point; the Republic by this time is incapable of preserving law and order even on the more civilised civilized planets, {{Mega Corp}}s have ''legal'' private armies, and most Senators are more interested in preserving their wealth and power than in actually helping their constituents. In the old EU he's ultimately proven right, as the New Republic established after the fall of Palpatine's Empire focuses more on restoring the spirit of the Old Republic instead of just its bureaucracy; in the new Disney universe the restored republic is just as bad as it's predecessor.
19th Nov '17 4:21:24 PM PlasmaTalon
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** While Hela the BigBad of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' wants to take over Asgard and conqueror the other realms, she reveals that Asgard only became as powerful and prestigious as it is because she and Odin did exactly that millennia earlier. With Odin only becoming the kind and benevolent king everyone knows him as now after they'd won and [[WrittenByTheWinners changed the story to paint Asgard in a better light]]. Then locked Hela away when her lust for power led her to rebel.
18th Nov '17 12:09:37 PM FruityOatyBars
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** Loki had a legitimate point in ''Film/{{Thor}}'', in that his brother ''wasn't'' ready for the throne. It is only because Loki let the frost giants into Asgard, leading to Thor being banished by Odin for recklessly seeking revenge against them, that Thor learns humility and grows into being a worthy future king and protector of the Nine Realms. A deleted scene also shows that, by that point, Loki is made the legitimate king of Asgard while Odin sleeps. In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', Thor has emotionally matured to the point that he openly states Loki was right, and even more, Thor doesn't have (nor wants to have) the ability to be as ruthless as the king of Asgard sometimes has to be.

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** Loki had a legitimate point in ''Film/{{Thor}}'', in that his brother ''wasn't'' ready for the throne. It is only because Loki let the frost giants into Asgard, leading to Thor being banished by Odin for recklessly seeking revenge against them, that Thor learns humility and grows into being a worthy future king and protector of the Nine Realms. A deleted scene also shows that, by that point, Loki is made the legitimate king of Asgard while Odin sleeps. In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', Thor has emotionally matured to the point that he openly states Loki was right, and even more, Thor doesn't have (nor wants to have) the ability to be as ruthless as the king of Asgard sometimes has to be. He also correctly points out one of the problems with Thor's relationship with Jane: its MayflyDecemberRomance aspect, since Jane is a normal mortal and Thor is an Asgardian who could live for thousands of years. [[spoiler: (As of ThorRagnarok Jane and Thor have broken up, though it's not explained why.)]]
15th Nov '17 11:06:54 AM thatmadork
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** Speaking of, in a rare moment of actual brilliance, there's Joffrey's assessment of the feudal system Westeros runs on. A king is completely dependent on his subordinates, and his subordinates rely on their bannermen, which makes handling a continent the size of Westeros very difficult. Also that many of these bannermen have some really big armies and can really tip the scales if they aren't appeased in every possible way. That's how delicate the balance of power really is.
13th Nov '17 9:48:14 PM Loekman3
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** During the Universe Survival Arc where Goku has briefly resurrected Frieza for a job, Universe 9 has sent assassins to kill both Goku and Frieza before the Tournament of Power Begins. Being the sadist he is, Frieza decides to murder them all and when Goku objects to this, the former points out that it's literally no different than having their universe erased by Zen-Oh for losing in the tournament which will inevitably happen. Goku has no arguments to rebuttal to this claim.

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** During the Universe Survival Arc where Goku has briefly resurrected Frieza for a job, Universe 9 has sent assassins to kill both Goku and Frieza before the Tournament of Power Begins. Being the sadist he is, Frieza decides to murder them all and when Goku objects to this, the former points out that it's literally no different than having their universe erased by Zen-Oh for losing in the tournament which will inevitably happen. Goku has no arguments to rebuttal to this claim.
13th Nov '17 9:47:58 PM Loekman3
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** During the Universe Survival Arc where Goku has briefly resurrected Frieza for a job, Universe 9 has sent assassins to kill both Goku and Frieza before the Tournament of Power Begins. Being the sadist he is, Frieza decides to murder them all and when Goku objects to this, the former points out that it's literally no different than having their universe erased by Zen-Oh. Goku has no arguments to rebuttal to this claim.

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** During the Universe Survival Arc where Goku has briefly resurrected Frieza for a job, Universe 9 has sent assassins to kill both Goku and Frieza before the Tournament of Power Begins. Being the sadist he is, Frieza decides to murder them all and when Goku objects to this, the former points out that it's literally no different than having their universe erased by Zen-Oh.Zen-Oh for losing in the tournament which will inevitably happen. Goku has no arguments to rebuttal to this claim.
13th Nov '17 9:46:52 PM Loekman3
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** During the Universe Survival Arc where Goku has briefly resurrected Frieza for a job, Universe 9 has sent assassins to kill both Goku and Frieza before the Tournament of Power Begins. Being the sadist he is, Frieza decides to murder them all and when Goku objects to this, the former points out that it's literally no different than having their universe erased by Zen-Oh. Goku has no rebuttal to this claim.

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** During the Universe Survival Arc where Goku has briefly resurrected Frieza for a job, Universe 9 has sent assassins to kill both Goku and Frieza before the Tournament of Power Begins. Being the sadist he is, Frieza decides to murder them all and when Goku objects to this, the former points out that it's literally no different than having their universe erased by Zen-Oh. Goku has no arguments to rebuttal to this claim.
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