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25th Feb '17 11:43:18 AM sgamer82
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* The Solarian League Navy in the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series has spent literally centuries as the biggest, baddest navy out there. Able to push around any "neobarbs" who got uppity with no problem. In their arrogance over that fact, they never developed much in the way of new technology themselves (so as not to change their own balance of power) and disregarded anything Manticore and Haven came up with as inherently inferior, despite the two star nations' recent LensmanArmsRace. They're learning the hard way just ''how'' far behind the curve they are now as every battle they've fought with Manticore has been a CurbStompBattle in Manticore's favor despite being vastly outnumbered every time.

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* The Solarian League Navy in the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series has spent literally centuries as the biggest, baddest navy out there. Able to push around any "neobarbs" who got uppity with no problem. In their arrogance over that fact, they never developed much in the way of new technology themselves (so as not to change their own balance of power) and disregarded anything Manticore and Haven came up with as inherently inferior, despite the two star nations' recent LensmanArmsRace. They're In later books, they're learning the hard way just ''how'' far behind the curve they are now as every battle they've fought with Manticore has been a CurbStompBattle in Manticore's favor despite being vastly outnumbered every time.
20th Feb '17 12:25:58 PM SnowyNix
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See Also: SortingAlgorithmOfVillainThreat. Compare StrongAsTheyNeedToBe for an aversion, when the heroes are artificially weakened below the villain. Contrast VillainDecay, where a villain becomes less threatening for potentially less well-defined reasons, and LoweredMonsterDifficulty. Might overlap with DegradedBoss, whether on purpose or not.

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See Also: SortingAlgorithmOfVillainThreat. Compare StrongAsTheyNeedToBe for an aversion, when the heroes are artificially weakened below the villain. Also compare TheWorfEffect. Contrast VillainDecay, where a villain becomes less threatening for potentially less well-defined reasons, and LoweredMonsterDifficulty. Might overlap with DegradedBoss, whether on purpose or not.
13th Dec '16 2:37:49 PM MyFinalEdits
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* Played with in the ComicBook/{{WITCH}} comic: At first Cedric is a massive threat due the same reasons as in the cartoon ''and'' being extremely cunning, then the Guardians, being more powerful to begin with, achieve the experience to take on him, but by the times of the final battle of the first arc [[BigBad Phobos]] turned him into a creature capable of taking on all of them and ''winning'', and they barely defeat him due the Crown of Light having been enchanted to absorb the energy of whoever wears it (including Cedric's, when Will puts it on his head). He's later imprisoned in the Tower of Mists, where he ''can't'' get better... But when he's broken out in the fourth arc he's an ''even bigger'' threat than before, as [[GenreSavvy he knows he's now outmatched in a direct battle]] and relies exclusively on his wits, and he happens to be one of the smartest characters in the series. To the point that in the fifth arc, when he's released on probation, [[ActionGirl Orube]] is ''terrified'' when she stumbles into him (and he's now powerless), something that proves {{Justified}} when, improvising [[spoiler:he casually tricks Matt into being imprisoned in the Book of Elements in spite of Matt having been warned exactly of who he was, with the Guardians unable to make him pay because he's necessary to get Matt out]].



** Played with in [[ComicBook/{{WITCH}} the original comic]]: at first he's a massive threat due the same reasons as in the cartoon ''and'' being extremely cunning, then the Guardians, being more powerful to begin with, achieve the experience to take on him, but by the times of the final battle of the first arc [[BigBad Phobos]] turned him into a creature capable of taking on all of them and ''winning'', and they barely defeat him due the Crown of Light having been enchanted to absorb the energy of whoever wears it (including Cedric's, when Will puts it on his head). He's later imprisoned in the Tower of Mists, where he ''can't'' get better... But when he's broken out in the fourth arc he's an ''even bigger'' threat than before, as [[GenreSavvy he knows he's now outmatched in a direct battle]] and relies exclusively on his wits, and he happens to be one of the smartest characters in the series. To the point that in the fifth arc, when he's released on probation, [[ActionGirl Orube]] is ''terrified'' when she stumbles into him (and he's now powerless), something that proves {{Justified}} when, improvising [[spoiler:he casually tricks Matt into being imprisoned in the Book of Elements in spite of Matt having been warned exactly of who he was, with the Guardians unable to make him pay because he's necessary to get Matt out]].
13th Dec '16 12:27:18 PM EDP
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** Played with in [[ComicBook/{{WITCH}} the original comic]]: at first he's a massive threat due the same reasons as in the cartoon ''and'' being extremely cunning, then the Guardians, being more powerful to begin with, achieve the experience to take on him, but by the times of the final battle of the first arc [[BigBad Phobos]] turned him into a creature capable of taking on all of them and ''winning'', and they barely defeat him due the Crown of Light having been enchanted to absorb the energy of whoever wears it (including Cedric's, when Will puts it on his head). He's later imprisoned in the Tower of Mists, where he ''can't'' get better... But when he's broken out in the fourth arc he's an ''even bigger'' threat than before, as [[GenreSavvy he knows he's now outmatched in a direct battle]] and relies exclusively on his wits, and he happens to be one of the smartest characters in the series. To the point that in the fifth arc, when he's released on probation, [[ActionGirl Orube]] is ''terrified'' when she stumbles into him (and he's now powerless), something that proves {{Justified}} when, improvising [[spoiler:he casually tricks Matt into being imprisoned in the Book of Elements in spite of Matt having been warned exactly of who he was, with the Guardians unable to make him pay because he's necessary to get Matt out]].
9th Dec '16 2:06:27 AM TheJovian
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* The [[BigBad Dread]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromFast Lords]] of ''[[VideoGame/GalacticCivilizations Galactic Civilizations II]]'' have incredibly powerful warships from the beginning that will eat anything an early-to-mid game player can throw at them for breakfast. As the game progresses however not only do their warship designs fail to improve to counter your own, but they also rarely group them into fleets to give them a strength in numbers. Eventually, if you can survive their attacks long enough to research superior weaponry and logistics to field not only powerful warships but also group them in bigger fleets than they do, you can gang up on their mostly solitary vessels and destroy themwith only light casualties, causing them to degrade from an InvincibleVillain to a MiniBoss.

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* The [[BigBad Dread]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromFast [[NamesToRunAwayFrom Lords]] of ''[[VideoGame/GalacticCivilizations Galactic Civilizations II]]'' have incredibly powerful warships from the very beginning of the game that will eat anything an early-to-mid game player can throw at them for breakfast. As the game progresses however not only do their warship designs fail to improve to counter your own, but they also rarely group them into fleets to give them a strength in numbers. Eventually, if you can survive their attacks long enough to research superior weaponry and logistics to field not only powerful warships but also group them in bigger fleets than they do, you can gang up on their mostly solitary vessels and destroy themwith them with only light casualties, causing them to degrade from an InvincibleVillain to a MiniBoss.
9th Dec '16 2:04:19 AM TheJovian
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* The [[BigBad Dread]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromFast Lords]] of ''[[VideoGame/GalacticCivilizations Galactic Civilizations II]]'' have incredibly powerful warships from the beginning that will eat anything an early-to-mid game player can throw at them for breakfast. As the game progresses however not only do their warship designs fail to improve to counter your own, but they also rarely group them into fleets to give them a strength in numbers. Eventually, if you can survive their attacks long enough to research superior weaponry and logistics to field not only powerful warships but also group them in bigger fleets than they do, you can gang up on their mostly solitary vessels and destroy themwith only light casualties, causing them to degrade from an InvincibleVillain to a MiniBoss.
1st Dec '16 12:02:51 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'': Grant Ward's brother Christian was built up as a sociopath who tortured Grant and their little brother for years, culminating in Grant's StartOfDarkness when he tried to kill Christian by burning their home down. By the time they meet as adults in season 2, Grant has become a {{Badass}} secret agent trained in infiltration and assassination with expert knowledge of multiple weapons and martial arts. Christian is a rich senator and is implied to hold a lot of political power, but has no more fighting prowess than a normal man would. The result is that Grant manhandles him with ease, forces him to confess to his crimes, and then [[KilledOffscreen kills him offscreen]] without any fanfare.

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* ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'': Grant Ward's brother Christian was built up as a sociopath who tortured Grant and their little brother for years, culminating in Grant's StartOfDarkness when he tried to kill Christian by burning their home down. By the time they meet as adults in season 2, Grant has become a {{Badass}} badass secret agent trained in infiltration and assassination with expert knowledge of multiple weapons and martial arts. Christian is a rich senator and is implied to hold a lot of political power, but has no more fighting prowess than a normal man would. The result is that Grant manhandles him with ease, forces him to confess to his crimes, and then [[KilledOffscreen kills him offscreen]] without any fanfare.
26th Nov '16 6:35:30 PM Zaptech
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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': In Season 1, Roman Torchwick was able to fight off Blake and Sun at the same time and nearly kill them. In Season 2, Blake adds some of Weiss' Dust cartridges to her arsenal and wipes the floor with Roman.

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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': In Season 1, Roman Torchwick was able to fight off Blake and Sun at the same time and nearly kill them. In Season 2, Blake adds some of Weiss' Dust cartridges to her arsenal and wipes the floor with Roman. By Volume 3, though, Torchwick is back into his groove, and is able to actually beat Ruby, with a little help from his sidekick Neo.
28th Oct '16 2:27:52 PM nombretomado
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** Subverted with Alex. He starts out as the series' most powerful character, then grinds hugely at the end of ''The Lost Age'', and appears to have ground even more with the coming of ''GoldenSunDarkDawn'', effortlessly [=OHKOing=] a main character.

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** Subverted with Alex. He starts out as the series' most powerful character, then grinds hugely at the end of ''The Lost Age'', and appears to have ground even more with the coming of ''GoldenSunDarkDawn'', ''VideoGame/GoldenSunDarkDawn'', effortlessly [=OHKOing=] a main character.
25th Oct '16 4:40:56 PM KingBowser9001
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Oh, wait. He's literally ''[[ExactWords just as strong as before]]. Not stronger. In the slightest. This won't be so bad.


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Oh, wait. He's literally ''[[ExactWords just as as]]'' strong as before]].before. Not stronger. In the slightest. This won't be so bad.

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