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7th Aug '17 12:57:49 PM 32_Footsteps
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* This hits [[BonusBoss Benny and Clyde]] in the original ''VideoGame/RiverCityRansom'' and its remake in their second appearance. In their first appearance close to the first shopping center, as a duo they're fairly strong, about on par with Moose, the first required boss (who lies in wait a few screens further ahead). Beat them at their original hangout, though, and they'll reappear later in the game next to the sauna, one screen away from [[TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon River City High]], with the exact same stats as their first appearance. A player that has grinded out one of their attack stats to the max as well as picking up the associated RapidFireFisticuffs move (both rather easy to do by this point) will take them out in one or two hits each, effectively turning the duo into a PinataEnemy.
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30th Jul '17 9:30:30 AM starofjusticev21
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* ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' has something similar with Dan Kuroto/Kamen Rider Genm, who is the one who actually invented the power items that show's riders use. At the beginning he has better stuff than the others and is able to dominate them in power. But the thing is the more heroic riders actually ''play'' video games or have other combat-applicable skills while his only real advantage is inventing the gear and keeping the best stuff for himself. When the others gain PowerLevels comparable to his own he quickly starts falling behind, takes the lead with a GameBreaker item but then falls behind again when the heroes also power up again, and eventually [[spoiler: goes over to the heroes' side because by then the other villains have gotten so powerful it's really his only chance to survive]].
30th Jul '17 9:29:02 AM starofjusticev21
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* ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' has something similar with Dan Kuroto/Kamen Rider Genm, who is the one who actually invented the power items that show's riders use. At the beginning he has better stuff than the others and is able to dominate them in power. But the thing is the more heroic riders actually ''play'' video games or have other combat-applicable skills while his only real advantage is inventing the gear and keeping the best stuff for himself. When the others gain PowerLevels comparable to his own he quickly starts falling behind, and eventually [[spoiler: goes over to the heroes' side because by then the other villains have gotten so powerful it's really his only chance to survive]].

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* ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' has something similar with Dan Kuroto/Kamen Rider Genm, who is the one who actually invented the power items that show's riders use. At the beginning he has better stuff than the others and is able to dominate them in power. But the thing is the more heroic riders actually ''play'' video games or have other combat-applicable skills while his only real advantage is inventing the gear and keeping the best stuff for himself. When the others gain PowerLevels comparable to his own he quickly starts falling behind, takes the lead with a GameBreaker item but then falls behind again when the heroes also power up again, and eventually [[spoiler: goes over to the heroes' side because by then the other villains have gotten so powerful it's really his only chance to survive]].
24th Jul '17 6:10:30 AM starofjusticev21
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* ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' has something similar with Dan Kuroto/Kamen Rider Genm, who is the one who actually invented the power items that show's riders use. At the beginning he has better stuff than the others and is able to dominate them in power. But the thing is the more heroic riders actually ''play'' video games or have other combat-applicable skills while his only real advantage is inventing the gear and keeping the best stuff for himself. When the others gain PowerLevels comparable to his own he quickly starts falling behind, and eventually [[spoiler: goes over to the heroes' side because by then the other villains have gotten so powerful it's really his only chance to survive]].
21st Jul '17 7:29:57 AM Theokal3
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** An particularly infamous example in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' with the [[KnightTemplar Rooters]], whose plan is to [[spoiler:eliminate Ben before [[BewareTheSuperman he becomes a threat to mankind]]]]. To this end, they came up with a complex plan involving kidnapping and experimenting on kids to grant them superpowers, then throwing them at [[spoiler:Ben]]. This plan failed the first time it was applied, yet when they try to rely on it again ''five years later'' with very little change to it, even though by this point [[spoiler:Ben had time to grow up as a more experienced hero and unlocked around five times the number of forms he had before]]. Predictably, [[spoiler:Ben easily handles the alien kids, and the only reason they come even close to victory is because his bestfriend Kevin is tricked into a temporary FaceHeelTurn.]]

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** An particularly infamous example in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' with the [[KnightTemplar Rooters]], whose plan is to [[spoiler:eliminate Ben before [[BewareTheSuperman he becomes a threat to mankind]]]]. To this end, they came up with a complex plan involving kidnapping and experimenting on kids to grant them superpowers, then throwing them at [[spoiler:Ben]]. This plan failed the first time it was applied, yet when they try to rely on it again ''five years later'' with very little change to it, even though by this point [[spoiler:Ben had time to grow up as a more experienced hero and unlocked around five times the number of forms he had before]]. Predictably, [[spoiler:Ben easily handles the alien kids, and the only reason they come even close to victory is because his bestfriend Kevin is tricked into a temporary FaceHeelTurn.]]
15th Jul '17 4:07:16 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Literature/{{Worldwar}}'', a race of lizard-like aliens scouts out Earth during [[TheMiddleAges the 12th century]] and spends the next eight centuries preparing for an invasion. Problem is, their technology progresses ''very'' slowly, so they arrive on Earth in [[WorldWarII 1942]] expecting to face knights and archers... and run right into tanks, machine guns, airplanes, and [[AtomicHate The Bomb]].

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* In ''Literature/{{Worldwar}}'', a race of lizard-like aliens scouts out Earth during [[TheMiddleAges the 12th century]] and spends the next eight centuries preparing for an invasion. Problem is, their technology progresses ''very'' slowly, so they arrive on Earth in [[WorldWarII [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII 1942]] expecting to face knights and archers... and run right into tanks, machine guns, airplanes, and [[AtomicHate The Bomb]].



* ''Literature/TheSalvationWar'' has a case of this with the demons. Their tactics haven't changed in centuries, believing that humans could never outdo them. The humans proceed to kill entire armies easily. Later, a character points out that the demons' tactics would have been devastating to humans centuries ago, and they never could have won, but now it's demons with tridents versus humans with guns. The creator pointed out that they could probably still have pulled a victory against WW2 era armies. The victory had more to do with modern coordination technology, precision artillery, electronic warfare defenses that make their electric attacks a NoSell, and advanced enough technical knowledge to reverse-engineer portal creation than just having guns and bombs.

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* ''Literature/TheSalvationWar'' has a case of this with the demons. Their tactics haven't changed in centuries, believing that humans could never outdo them. The humans proceed to kill entire armies easily. Later, a character points out that the demons' tactics would have been devastating to humans centuries ago, and they never could have won, but now it's demons with tridents versus humans with guns. The creator pointed out that they could probably still have pulled a victory against WW2 UsefulNotes/WW2 era armies. The victory had more to do with modern coordination technology, precision artillery, electronic warfare defenses that make their electric attacks a NoSell, and advanced enough technical knowledge to reverse-engineer portal creation than just having guns and bombs.
12th Jul '17 6:35:51 PM Manny20444
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** An particularly infamous example in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' with the [[KnightTemplar Rooters]], whose plan is to [[spoiler:eliminate Ben before [[BewareTheSuperman he becomes a threat to mankind]]]]. To this end, they came up with a complex plan involving kidnapping and experimenting on kids to grant them superpowers, then throwing them at [[spoiler:Ben]]. This plan failed the first time it was applied, yet when they try to rely on it again ''six years later'' with very little change to it, even though by this point [[spoiler:Ben had time to grow up as a more experienced hero and unlocked around five times the number of forms he had before]]. Predictably, [[spoiler:Ben easily handles the alien kids, and the only reason they come even close to victory is because his bestfriend Kevin is tricked into a temporary FaceHeelTurn.]]

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** An particularly infamous example in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' with the [[KnightTemplar Rooters]], whose plan is to [[spoiler:eliminate Ben before [[BewareTheSuperman he becomes a threat to mankind]]]]. To this end, they came up with a complex plan involving kidnapping and experimenting on kids to grant them superpowers, then throwing them at [[spoiler:Ben]]. This plan failed the first time it was applied, yet when they try to rely on it again ''six ''five years later'' with very little change to it, even though by this point [[spoiler:Ben had time to grow up as a more experienced hero and unlocked around five times the number of forms he had before]]. Predictably, [[spoiler:Ben easily handles the alien kids, and the only reason they come even close to victory is because his bestfriend Kevin is tricked into a temporary FaceHeelTurn.]]
25th Jun '17 12:18:55 PM SpinAttaxx
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*** This is [[AvertedTrope averted]] in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' (and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'''s adaptation), where upon revival, Freeza (who in fact ''never'' level grinded because he was so strong) trains for four months, and gets a GoldenSuperMode on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku. Unfortunately, [[spoiler:it turns out that HistoryRepeats: while he did train hard to beat Goku, once he attained his new form, he made a bee-line for Earth to put it to use without first working to throttle its insane energy output. While he's able to go toe-to-toe with Goku for a while, it's not long before use of this new super form leaves him exhausted, just like when he tried to use his full power back on Namek]]. Come ''Super'''s Universe Survival arc, though, and [[spoiler:Freeza meditated while in Hell and managed to solve ''that'' issue by the time he's revived for the Tournament of Power]].

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*** This is [[AvertedTrope averted]] in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' (and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'''s ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''[='=]s adaptation), where upon revival, Freeza (who in fact ''never'' level grinded because he was so strong) trains for four months, and gets a GoldenSuperMode on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku. Unfortunately, [[spoiler:it turns out that HistoryRepeats: while he did train hard to beat Goku, once he attained his new form, he made a bee-line for Earth to put it to use without first working to throttle its insane energy output. While he's able to go toe-to-toe with Goku for a while, it's not long before use of this new super form leaves him exhausted, just like when he tried to use his full power back on Namek]]. Come ''Super'''s Universe Survival arc, though, and [[spoiler:Freeza meditated while in Hell and managed to solve ''that'' issue by the time he's revived for the Tournament of Power]].
25th Jun '17 12:18:11 PM SpinAttaxx
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** This is [[AvertedTrope averted]] in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', where he CameBackStrong when he was revived this time, and is able to go toe to toe with post Super Saiyan God Goku once again, in addition to having his ''own'' SuperMode this time around. As it was put at Jump Festa 2015, Freeza "[[MemeticMutation decided to train for the first time in his life]]". Unfortunately, [[spoiler:it turns out that HistoryRepeats: while Freeza did, indeed, train hard to beat Goku, once he attained his new GoldenSuperMode, he made a bee-line for earth to put it to use without first working to throttle its insane energy output. While he's able to go toe-to-toe with Goku for a while, it's not long before use of this new super form leaves him exhausted, just like when he tried to use his 100% Full Power back on Namek.]]

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** *** This is [[AvertedTrope averted]] in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'', ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' (and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'''s adaptation), where he CameBackStrong when upon revival, Freeza (who in fact ''never'' level grinded because he was revived this time, so strong) trains for four months, and is able to go toe to toe gets a GoldenSuperMode on par with post Super Saiyan God Goku once again, in addition to having his ''own'' SuperMode this time around. As it was put at Jump Festa 2015, Freeza "[[MemeticMutation decided to train for the first time in his life]]". Blue Goku. Unfortunately, [[spoiler:it turns out that HistoryRepeats: while Freeza did, indeed, he did train hard to beat Goku, once he attained his new GoldenSuperMode, form, he made a bee-line for earth Earth to put it to use without first working to throttle its insane energy output. While he's able to go toe-to-toe with Goku for a while, it's not long before use of this new super form leaves him exhausted, just like when he tried to use his 100% Full Power full power back on Namek.]]Namek]]. Come ''Super'''s Universe Survival arc, though, and [[spoiler:Freeza meditated while in Hell and managed to solve ''that'' issue by the time he's revived for the Tournament of Power]].
20th Jun '17 11:19:45 AM gophergiggles
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* In ''VideoGame/BatenKaitos Origins'', you fight [[RecurringBoss Giacomo]] three times. In the third match, he's no stronger than the second match (only gaining buffing abilities), while you've probably gotten at least two or three levels and new magnus. Extremely satisfying, especially since the first fight is an infuriating EarlyBirdBoss.

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* In ''VideoGame/BatenKaitos Origins'', you fight [[RecurringBoss Giacomo]] three times. The first time he's an infuriating EarlyBirdBoss who can ''easily'' [[OneHitKO one-shot]] a party member with [[ThatOneAttack Thrashinggale]] and his second match he becomes a FlunkyBoss with a new attack but is otherwise apropriately difficult. In the his third match, however he's no stronger than the second match (only gaining buffing abilities), abilities) while you've probably gotten at least two or three levels and new magnus. Extremely satisfying, especially since magnus, turning the first fight into an extremely satisfying ass-kicking with him on the ass-end. [[spoiler:It was [[TropesAreTools done intentionally]], as his inability to keep up with Sagi's growing power is an infuriating EarlyBirdBoss.what drives him to become [[TheDragon what]] [[FromNobodyToNightmare he]] [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity is]] in the sequel.]]
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