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9th Nov '17 1:59:54 AM Makir
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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' Diavolo is arguably the only main villain in the series to progress as far as he has without the need for the sudden last-minute PowerUp, signature of Araki himself. [[TimeMaster King Crimson]] was just as powerful and had all the same abilities at the climax of the final battle as when it was first introduced. Not that it matters, since his [[LightningBruiser Rank A Strength and incredible speed]], along with his ability [[TheOmniscient to view the future]] and erase it, make him one of the most powerful villains in the series.
** Considering his motivation is actually getting that PowerUp MacGuffin for King Crimson it's easy to say that if he got it he would have become so powerful absolutely nobody would have been able to defeat him.
24th Oct '17 5:05:47 PM Linda58
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** In ''Digimon Frontier'', the Royal Knights got hit by this hard. When they first fight [=EmperorGreymon=] and [=MagnaGarurumon=], they beat them in a CurbStompBattle. Subsequent battles can best be described as the kids losing less badly. In "To Make the World Go Away", they are evenly matched against the Royal Knights and [[BigBad Lucemon]] needs to intervene to defeat them. In the very next episode, they curb-stomp the Royal Knights. Each fight made [=EmperorGreymon=] and [=MagnaGarurumon=] more skilled, but the Royal Knights didn't learn anything new.

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** In ''Digimon Frontier'', the Royal Knights got hit by this hard. When they first fight [=EmperorGreymon=] and [=MagnaGarurumon=], they beat them in a CurbStompBattle. Subsequent battles can best be described as the kids losing less and less badly. In "To Make the World Go Away", they are evenly matched against the Royal Knights and [[BigBad Lucemon]] needs to intervene to defeat them. In the very next episode, they curb-stomp the Royal Knights. Each fight made [=EmperorGreymon=] and [=MagnaGarurumon=] more skilled, but the Royal Knights didn't learn anything new.


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* Done across movies, for a single move. In ''[[Film/TheHobbitTheDesolationOfSmaug The Desolation of Smaug]]'', Bolg caught Legolas's sword by pinning it between his arm and body, and then pulled Legolas in close and pummeled him. He repeated the move against Legolas, this wielding his knives, in ''[[Film/TheHobbitTheBattleOfTheFiveArmies The Battle of the Five Armies]]'', only for Legolas to grab unto Bolg's arm, leap up onto his shoulders, [[spoiler:and stab him through the head.]]
17th Oct '17 4:30:32 AM Couran
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* Really, this is a fact of life for anyone who has a serious desire to improve themselves. Working a 50 hour week while raising children may sound like an impossible task when you're 18, only for you to gain enough time management skills to make it a breeze by the time you're 30.
16th Oct '17 9:47:59 AM zealots
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* In ''Tabletopgame/MagicTheGathering'''s [[Literature/RathAndStorm Weatherlight Saga]] there's the [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=430444 Predator]], EvilCounterpart to the [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=29293 Weatherlight]] [[CoolAirship airship]] used by the heroes. It's [[EvilIsBigger bigger]] than the Weatherlight, better-armed than the Weatherlight, and has a more experienced crew than the Weatherlight. Fast-forward to the Literature/InvasionCycle and several [[UpgradeArtifact Upgrade Artifacts]] later, and the Predator is no longer even a speed bump.



** Kwi, Dodoria and Zarbon, all being part of Freeza's army and mostly taking it easy as they conquered planets. All three were known to either have the same battle power as Vegeta or a far higher reading. That is, until Vegeta's battle on Earth. One by one, Vegeta manages to pick off Freeza's men, especially noting that his powers have gotten stronger as he was in more extreme fights than Freeza's men have been, relaxing around him. The better example being Zarbon, as he defeats Vegeta with ease once he transforms during their first fight and nearly kills him. After their second fight, Vegeta reminds Zarbon that a Saiyan's battle power increases every time they recover from a near-death situation, ultimately resulting in him killing him off with relative ease.
** Taking into account all of ''Z, GT'', and the movies, Freeza returns and gets curbstomped pretty much immediately no less than ''five times;'' once with King Cold and four times after his death. After being killed by Trunks (he ''did'' get a power boost from his cyborg implants, just not nearly enough), he terrorizes Hell and gets wrecked by Pikkon in a couple hits. He gets back to the living world in the movies ''Fusion Reborn'' and ''Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans'', but gets beaten up by the end of each movie. Perhaps his most embarrassing reappearance was in ''GT'', where he gets beaten by an ''ice machine.''
*** This is [[AvertedTrope averted]] in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' (and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''[='=]s adaptation), where upon revival, Freeza (who in fact ''never'' level grinded because he was so strong) trains for four months, and gets a GoldenSuperMode on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku. Unfortunately, [[spoiler:it turns out that HistoryRepeats: while he did train hard to beat Goku, once he attained his new form, he made a bee-line for Earth to put it to use without first working to throttle its insane energy output. While he's able to go toe-to-toe with Goku for a while, it's not long before use of this new super form leaves him exhausted, just like when he tried to use his full power back on Namek]]. Come ''Super'''s Universe Survival arc, though, and [[spoiler:Freeza meditated while in Hell and managed to solve ''that'' issue by the time he's revived for the Tournament of Power]].

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** Kwi, Cui, Dodoria and Zarbon, all being part of Freeza's Frieza's army and mostly taking it easy as they conquered planets. All three were known to either have the same battle power as Vegeta or a far higher reading. That is, until Vegeta's battle on Earth. One by one, Vegeta manages to pick off Freeza's Frieza's men, especially noting that his powers have gotten stronger as he was in more extreme fights than Freeza's Frieza's men have been, relaxing around him. The better prime example being Zarbon, as he defeats Vegeta with ease once he transforms during their first fight and nearly kills him. After their second fight, Vegeta reminds Zarbon that a Saiyan's battle power increases every time they recover from a near-death situation, ultimately resulting in him killing him off with relative ease.
** Taking into account all of ''Z, GT'', and the movies, Freeza Frieza returns and gets curbstomped pretty much immediately no less than ''five times;'' once with King Cold and four times after his death. After being killed by Trunks (he ''did'' get a power boost from his cyborg implants, just not nearly enough), he terrorizes Hell and gets wrecked by Pikkon in a couple hits. He gets back to the living world in the movies ''Fusion Reborn'' and ''Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans'', but gets beaten up by the end of each movie. Perhaps his most embarrassing reappearance was in ''GT'', where he gets beaten by an ''ice machine.''
*** This is [[AvertedTrope averted]] in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' (and ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''[='=]s adaptation), where upon revival, Freeza Frieza (who in fact ''never'' level grinded ground because he was so strong) trains for four months, and gets a GoldenSuperMode on par with Super Saiyan Blue Goku. Unfortunately, [[spoiler:it turns out that HistoryRepeats: while he did train hard to beat Goku, once he attained his new form, he made a bee-line for Earth to put it to use without first working to throttle its insane energy output. While he's able to go toe-to-toe with Goku for a while, it's not long before use of this new super form leaves him exhausted, just like when he tried to use his full power back on Namek]]. Come ''Super'''s Universe Survival arc, though, and [[spoiler:Freeza [[spoiler:Frieza meditated while in Hell and managed to solve ''that'' issue by the time he's revived for the Tournament of Power]].
1st Oct '17 4:14:53 AM irrevenant
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* ''Series/TheFlash2014'' provides an interesting variant, where it's not that a villain forgot to level grind as much as that he just hasn't leveled grind ''yet''. In season 2, [[EvilCounterpart the Reverse Flash]] was stronger, faster and a better fighter than Barry, repeatedly defeated him, and required help from multiple allies to be taken down. Season 1 episode ''[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin The Reverse Flash Returns]]'' has him come back... except he turns out to be a time-travelling earlier version of him who [[HaveWeMetYet is meeting the Flash in person for the first time]], going against a more experienced Barry. As a result, when they do fight, [[CurbStompBattle Barry takes him down relatively easily]].

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* ''Series/TheFlash2014'' provides an interesting variant, where it's not that a villain forgot to level grind as much as that he just hasn't leveled grind ''yet''. In season 2, 1, [[EvilCounterpart the Reverse Flash]] was stronger, faster and a better fighter than Barry, repeatedly defeated him, and required help from multiple allies to be taken down. Season 1 2 episode ''[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin The Reverse Flash Returns]]'' has him come back... except he turns out to be a time-travelling earlier version of him who [[HaveWeMetYet is meeting the Flash in person for the first time]], going against a more experienced Barry. As a result, when they do fight, [[CurbStompBattle Barry takes him down relatively easily]].
1st Oct '17 4:13:55 AM irrevenant
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* ''Series/TheFlash2014'' provides an interesting variant, where it's not that a villain forgot to level grind as much as that he just hasn't leveled grind ''yet''. In season 1, [[EvilCounterpart the Reverse Flash]] was stronger, faster and a better fighter than Barry, repeatedly defeated him, and required help from multiple allies to be taken down. Season 1 episode ''[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin The Reverse Flash Returns]]'' has him come back... except he turns out to be a time-travelling earlier version of him who [[HaveWeMetYet is meeting the Flash in person for the first time]], going against a more experienced Barry. As a result, when they do fight, [[CurbStompBattle Barry takes him down relatively easily]].

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* ''Series/TheFlash2014'' provides an interesting variant, where it's not that a villain forgot to level grind as much as that he just hasn't leveled grind ''yet''. In season 1, 2, [[EvilCounterpart the Reverse Flash]] was stronger, faster and a better fighter than Barry, repeatedly defeated him, and required help from multiple allies to be taken down. Season 1 episode ''[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin The Reverse Flash Returns]]'' has him come back... except he turns out to be a time-travelling earlier version of him who [[HaveWeMetYet is meeting the Flash in person for the first time]], going against a more experienced Barry. As a result, when they do fight, [[CurbStompBattle Barry takes him down relatively easily]].
1st Oct '17 4:09:31 AM irrevenant
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** Weirdly, Joss misses an easy explanation for the power disparity: The first Turokhan had been free for some time and had had plenty of time to feed. This was not true of the others.

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** *** Weirdly, Joss misses an easy explanation for the power disparity: The first Turokhan had been free for some time and had had plenty of time to feed. This was not true of the others.
1st Oct '17 4:08:51 AM irrevenant
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** Weirdly, Joss misses an easy explanation for the power disparity: The first Turokhan had been free for some time and had had plenty of time to feed. This was not true of the others.
7th Aug '17 12:57:49 PM 32_Footsteps
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* This hits [[BonusBoss Benny and Clyde]] in the original ''VideoGame/RiverCityRansom'' and its remake in their second appearance. In their first appearance close to the first shopping center, as a duo they're fairly strong, about on par with Moose, the first required boss (who lies in wait a few screens further ahead). Beat them at their original hangout, though, and they'll reappear later in the game next to the sauna, one screen away from [[TheVeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon River City High]], with the exact same stats as their first appearance. A player that has grinded out one of their attack stats to the max as well as picking up the associated RapidFireFisticuffs move (both rather easy to do by this point) will take them out in one or two hits each, effectively turning the duo into a PinataEnemy.
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30th Jul '17 9:30:30 AM starofjusticev21
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* ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' has something similar with Dan Kuroto/Kamen Rider Genm, who is the one who actually invented the power items that show's riders use. At the beginning he has better stuff than the others and is able to dominate them in power. But the thing is the more heroic riders actually ''play'' video games or have other combat-applicable skills while his only real advantage is inventing the gear and keeping the best stuff for himself. When the others gain PowerLevels comparable to his own he quickly starts falling behind, takes the lead with a GameBreaker item but then falls behind again when the heroes also power up again, and eventually [[spoiler: goes over to the heroes' side because by then the other villains have gotten so powerful it's really his only chance to survive]].
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