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21st May '17 9:10:47 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* In the GrandFinale of ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'', [[spoiler: Aku himself, or rather the past version of him, is a victim of this, but it's heavily justified. While the time passed is only a few seconds to him, Jack has had fifty years to hone his skills due to being stranded in the future. Aku is crushed quickly.]]
21st May '17 4:49:38 AM Rebu
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* [[StarWarsRebels Darth Maul]] never really improved his combat skills over the years, while Obi-wan Kenobi not only went through the grinder of the Clone Wars where he was constantly in combat and improving his skills in addition to his normal training, but gained maturity and wisdom in the 30 years since their first encounter while Maul has descended into insanity. [[spoiler: As a result, their climactic duel consists of three moves: Obi-wan blocking him twice and then killing him with a single stroke]]. Although it probably didn't help that Maul had exhausted himself by wandering the desert for days before hand.

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* [[StarWarsRebels ''StarWarsRebels'': Darth Maul]] Maul never really improved his combat skills over the years, while years. Obi-wan Kenobi not only went through the grinder of the Clone Wars where he was constantly in combat and improving his skills in addition to his normal training, but gained maturity and wisdom in the 30 years since their first encounter while Maul has descended into insanity. [[spoiler: As a result, their Then Maul he spends days wandering in the desert, exhausting himself. Their climactic duel consists of is three moves: Obi-wan blocking blocks him twice and then killing kills him with a single stroke]]. Although it probably didn't help that Maul had exhausted himself by wandering the desert for days before hand.
7th May '17 7:08:35 AM voidgod
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* [[StarWarsRebels Darth Maul]] never really improved his combat skills over the years, while Obi-wan Kenobi not only went through the grinder of the Clone Wars where he was constantly in combat and improving his skills in addition to his normal training, but gained maturity and wisdom in the 30 years since their first encounter while Maul has descended into insanity. [[spoiler: As a result, their climactic duel consists of three moves: Obi-wan blocking him twice and then killing him with a single stroke]].

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* [[StarWarsRebels Darth Maul]] never really improved his combat skills over the years, while Obi-wan Kenobi not only went through the grinder of the Clone Wars where he was constantly in combat and improving his skills in addition to his normal training, but gained maturity and wisdom in the 30 years since their first encounter while Maul has descended into insanity. [[spoiler: As a result, their climactic duel consists of three moves: Obi-wan blocking him twice and then killing him with a single stroke]]. Although it probably didn't help that Maul had exhausted himself by wandering the desert for days before hand.
29th Apr '17 10:24:01 AM Theokal3
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* [[MadScientist Doctor Animo]]. When he was introduced in [[WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}} the Original Series]], Animo was considered something of Ben's third biggest nemesis. By the time of the sequels, Ben has [[TookALevelInBadass become much more powerful and experienced]], and [[OvershadowedByAwesome plenty of much more dangerous bad guys have shown up]], reducing the MadScientist to a LaughablyEvil recurring rogue.
* An particularly infamous example in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' with the [[KnightTemplar Rooters]], whose plan is to [[spoiler:eliminate Ben before [[BewareTheSuperman he becomes a threat to mankind]]]]. To this end, they came up with a complex plan involving kidnapping and experimenting on kids to grant them superpowers, then throwing them at [[spoiler:Ben]]. This plan failed the first time it was applied, yet when they try to rely on it again ''six years later'' with very little change to it, even though by this point [[spoiler:Ben had time to grow up as a more experienced hero and unlocked around five times the number of forms he had before]].

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* ** [[MadScientist Doctor Animo]]. When he was introduced in [[WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}} the Original Series]], Animo was considered something of Ben's third biggest nemesis. By the time of the sequels, Ben has [[TookALevelInBadass become much more powerful and experienced]], and [[OvershadowedByAwesome plenty of much more dangerous bad guys have shown up]], reducing the MadScientist to a LaughablyEvil recurring rogue.
* ** An particularly infamous example in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' with the [[KnightTemplar Rooters]], whose plan is to [[spoiler:eliminate Ben before [[BewareTheSuperman he becomes a threat to mankind]]]]. To this end, they came up with a complex plan involving kidnapping and experimenting on kids to grant them superpowers, then throwing them at [[spoiler:Ben]]. This plan failed the first time it was applied, yet when they try to rely on it again ''six years later'' with very little change to it, even though by this point [[spoiler:Ben had time to grow up as a more experienced hero and unlocked around five times the number of forms he had before]]. Predictably, [[spoiler:Ben easily handles the alien kids, and the only reason they come even close to victory is because his bestfriend Kevin is tricked into a temporary FaceHeelTurn.]]
29th Apr '17 10:22:40 AM Theokal3
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* [[MadScientist Doctor Animo]] from Franchise/{{Ben 10}}. When he was introduced in [[WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}} the Original Series]], Animo was considered something of Ben's third biggest nemesis. By the time of the sequels, Ben has [[TookALevelInBadass become much more powerful and experienced]], and [[OvershadowedByAwesome plenty of much more dangerous bad guys have shown up]], reducing the MadScientist to a LaughablyEvil recurring rogue.

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* [[MadScientist Doctor Animo]] from Franchise/{{Ben 10}}.Animo]]. When he was introduced in [[WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}} the Original Series]], Animo was considered something of Ben's third biggest nemesis. By the time of the sequels, Ben has [[TookALevelInBadass become much more powerful and experienced]], and [[OvershadowedByAwesome plenty of much more dangerous bad guys have shown up]], reducing the MadScientist to a LaughablyEvil recurring rogue.rogue.
* An particularly infamous example in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' with the [[KnightTemplar Rooters]], whose plan is to [[spoiler:eliminate Ben before [[BewareTheSuperman he becomes a threat to mankind]]]]. To this end, they came up with a complex plan involving kidnapping and experimenting on kids to grant them superpowers, then throwing them at [[spoiler:Ben]]. This plan failed the first time it was applied, yet when they try to rely on it again ''six years later'' with very little change to it, even though by this point [[spoiler:Ben had time to grow up as a more experienced hero and unlocked around five times the number of forms he had before]].
5th Apr '17 10:54:02 AM Dark_Lord_
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* Letho from ''VideoGame/TheWitcher2''. When Geralt first faces him in combat, Letho is a very difficult boss fight that requires you, the player, to throw everything you have at him. Even after defeating him, Letho uses CutscenePowerToTheMax to turn the tide, with Geralt only surviving because Letho spares his life. During the second confrontation with Letho at the end of the game, Geralt collected all kinds of fancy new weapons and powers, while Letho largely stayed the same, turning this battle into a cakewalk.
30th Mar '17 5:34:45 PM ConnorMcLay
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* In ''Webcomic/FreakAngels'' [[spoiler: Mark]] doesn't exactly forget to level up, but does ignore the possibility that the Freak Angels might have done so too. [[spoiler: He's just surprised when Kait disintegrates his sword, but totally unable to cope with Arkady's ability to teleport.

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* In ''Webcomic/FreakAngels'' [[spoiler: Mark]] doesn't exactly forget to level up, but does ignore the possibility that the Freak Angels might have done so too. [[spoiler: He's just surprised when Kait disintegrates his sword, but totally unable to cope with Arkady's ability to teleport.]]
19th Mar '17 5:00:58 PM MyFinalEdits
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* ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry 3'' has a more plot-oriented example. Vergil goes from handing Dante his ass during their first encounter, to fighting him to a stand-still in their second, and finally losing to him in their third. However, it's not so much that Vergil forgot to level grind, since he actually gets progressively stronger just like Dante, gaining new weapons (Beowulf, Force Edge) and attacks, but Dante's just gaining much faster than he is.
** History repeats itself (chronologically speaking) in the original game. Nelo Angelo proves himself Dante's superior in their first battle, but Dante wins their second before slaying him in their third. Thematically appropriate, as Nelo is Vergil's reanimated corpse.

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* ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry 3'' has a more plot-oriented example. Vergil goes from handing Dante his ass during their first encounter, to fighting him to a stand-still in their second, and finally losing to him in their third. However, it's not so much that Vergil forgot to level grind, since he actually gets progressively stronger just like Dante, gaining new weapons (Beowulf, Force Edge) and attacks, but Dante's just gaining much faster than he is.
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is. History repeats itself (chronologically speaking) itself, chronologically speaking, in the original game. game: Nelo Angelo proves himself Dante's superior in their first battle, but Dante wins their second before slaying him in their third. Thematically appropriate, as Nelo is Vergil's reanimated corpse.



** In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaI'', a completely unaltered version of the level one boss returns guarding level seven. With the best sword in the game -- which is obtainable by that point -- it can be killed [[OneHitKill in one hit]].

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** In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaI'', a completely unaltered version of the level one Level 1 boss (Aquamentus) returns guarding level seven.Level 7. With the best sword in the game -- which is obtainable by that point -- it can be killed [[OneHitKill in one hit]].



* The Solarian League Navy in the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series has spent literally centuries as the biggest, baddest navy out there. Able to push around any "neobarbs" who got uppity with no problem. In their arrogance over that fact, they never developed much in the way of new technology themselves (so as not to change their own balance of power) and disregarded anything Manticore and Haven came up with as inherently inferior, despite the two star nations' recent LensmanArmsRace. In later books, they're learning the hard way just ''how'' far behind the curve they are now as every battle they've fought with Manticore has been a CurbStompBattle in Manticore's favor despite being vastly outnumbered every time.
** It goes beyond simply just the technology, which the heroes admit the Solarians could catch up on fairly quickly because the League is a very large technologically advanced civilization. What they ''can't'' catch up as quickly on is that that members of the Manticore-Haven alliance have spent decades at war and as a result Darwinian selection has largely separated the wheat from the chaff among their senior officers and military, leaving a collection of highly competent, experienced commanders leading efficient, veteran military forces. The SLN, meanwhile, has most of their senior commanders appointed strictly due to their seniority and/or political connections or personal ability at sucking up instead of actual talent while their crews are largely inexperienced in war. The end result is not only a navy that's horrifically outgunned, but one led by people too stupid or ignorant to realize how outgunned they are.

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* The Solarian League Navy in the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series has spent literally centuries as the biggest, baddest navy out there. Able to push around any "neobarbs" who got uppity with no problem. In their arrogance over that fact, they never developed much in the way of new technology themselves (so as not to change their own balance of power) and disregarded anything Manticore and Haven came up with as inherently inferior, despite the two star nations' recent LensmanArmsRace. In later books, they're learning the hard way just ''how'' far behind the curve they are now as every battle they've fought with Manticore has been a CurbStompBattle in Manticore's favor despite being vastly outnumbered every time.
** It goes beyond simply just the technology, which the heroes admit the Solarians could catch up on fairly quickly because the League is a very large technologically advanced civilization.
time. What they ''can't'' catch up as quickly on is that that members of the Manticore-Haven alliance have spent decades at war and as a result Darwinian selection has largely separated the wheat from the chaff among their senior officers and military, leaving a collection of highly competent, experienced commanders leading efficient, veteran military forces. The SLN, meanwhile, has most of their senior commanders appointed strictly due to their seniority and/or political connections or personal ability at sucking up instead of actual talent while their crews are largely inexperienced in war. The end result is not only a navy that's horrifically outgunned, but one led by people too stupid or ignorant to realize how outgunned they are.



* Possible in the case of exams that can be taken more than once. If you didn't study the first time, you may not get even half the percentage needed for a passing score. Study enough after that, and the knowledge you learned may come as second nature and may definitely lead to a curb stomp, given the questions remain the same.
** When you're studying, some subjects can look really hard, especially math, when you move to the next grades, those subjects will seem a piece of cake for you, even if you forgot them and are looking back to remember.

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* Possible in the case of exams that can be taken more than once. If you didn't study the first time, you may not get even half the percentage needed for a passing score. Study enough after that, and the knowledge you learned may come as second nature and may definitely lead to a curb stomp, given the questions remain the same.
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same. When you're studying, some subjects can look really hard, especially math, when you move to the next grades, those subjects will seem a piece of cake for you, even if you forgot them and are looking back to remember.
19th Mar '17 12:31:51 PM KeithM
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** It goes beyond simply just the technology, which the heroes admit the Solarians could catch up on fairly quickly because the League is a very large technologically advanced civilization. What they ''can't'' catch up as quickly on is that that members of the Manticore-Haven alliance have spent decades at war and as a result Darwinian selection has largely separated the wheat from the chaff among their senior officers and military, leaving a collection of highly competent, experienced commanders leading efficient, veteran military forces. The SLN, meanwhile, has most of their senior commanders appointed strictly due to their seniority and/or political connections or personal ability at sucking up instead of actual talent while their crews are largely inexperienced in war. The end result is not only a navy that's horrifically outgunned, but one led by people too stupid or ignorant to realize how outgunned they are.
19th Mar '17 11:54:42 AM KeithM
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* [[StarWarsRebels Darth Maul]] never really improved his combat skills over the years, while Obi-wan Kenobi not only went through the grinder of the Clone Wars where he was constantly in combat and improving his skills in addition to his normal training, but gained maturity and wisdom in the 30 years since their first encounter while Maul has descended into insanity. As a result, their climactic duel consists of three moves: Obi-wan blocking him twice and then killing him with a single stroke.

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* [[StarWarsRebels Darth Maul]] never really improved his combat skills over the years, while Obi-wan Kenobi not only went through the grinder of the Clone Wars where he was constantly in combat and improving his skills in addition to his normal training, but gained maturity and wisdom in the 30 years since their first encounter while Maul has descended into insanity. [[spoiler: As a result, their climactic duel consists of three moves: Obi-wan blocking him twice and then killing him with a single stroke.stroke]].
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