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21st Aug '17 8:47:29 AM Lopiny
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** During the ''Gathering Storm'' events, Asdrubael Vect, effective leader of the Dark Eldar, got hit pretty hard with this in one fell swoop, both in-universe and outside. An incident he couldn't have foreseen ([[spoiler:Ynnead destructively picking an avatar]]) caused a giant cataclysm inside Commorragh that he had expected, yet the plans he had to stop it failed, he panicked in front of everyone (which severely undermined his reputation), and whatever improvisations he could come up with weren't enough to keep the situation under control, with other groups he didn't even have a hand in being the ones to save the day. As such, his plans were all shredded to nothing, there is active plotting to overthrow him (which used to be unthinkable), several of his loyal underlings ran off to join the new faction this spawned, and the moment he tried to say this was AllAccordingToPlan everyone smelled the bullshit from the start, ending his ConsummateLiar streak. As a result, within Commorragh his reputation has basically ''inverted'' and his survival is uncertain, and to the fanbase he now just looks like a goon that will probably get [[KlingonPromotion cut down]], his millennia of {{Magnificent Bastard}}ry now lost [[SpannerInTheWorks in a deluge of unexpected plan-wrecking spanners]].
8th Aug '17 10:22:13 AM CosmicFerret
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* Prince Charming, already a fairly ineffectual villain in the ''Film/{{Shrek}}'' movies, gets decayed further to a minor protagonist in the ''Pinball/{{Shrek}}'' pinball game.

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* Prince Charming, already a fairly ineffectual villain in the ''Film/{{Shrek}}'' ''Franchise/{{Shrek}}'' movies, gets decayed further to a minor protagonist in the ''Pinball/{{Shrek}}'' pinball game.
4th Aug '17 10:58:51 PM TwinBird
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* King George in ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'' steadily loses poise as the British influence on the plot diminishes, first, at the start of the war, barely moving, singing ''at'' the audience in full regalia, then after Yorktown considerably more animated, and in the second act ''much'' more animated and more casually dressed, culminating in him joining in with the populace and throwing papers in Hamilton's face in "The Reynolds Pamphlet."
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24th Jun '17 1:43:46 PM nombretomado
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2. They can become a ButtMonkey or source of cheap comedy. This has largely happened to DoctorWho's Daleks, who used to be TheDreaded, but now appear on game shows, at comic cons, and children's birthday parties.

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2. They can become a ButtMonkey or source of cheap comedy. This has largely happened to DoctorWho's ''Series/DoctorWho'''s Daleks, who used to be TheDreaded, but now appear on game shows, at comic cons, and children's birthday parties.
16th May '17 10:21:49 PM Ploney0
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1. They can begin the transition to AntiHero or VillainProtagonist, as did Blizzard's Orcs, and Star Trek's Borg ultimately did in isolated examples.

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1. They can begin the transition to AntiHero or VillainProtagonist, as did Blizzard's Warcraft's Orcs, and Star Trek's Borg ultimately did in isolated examples.
21st Jan '17 6:48:57 AM ACW
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4. As a result, a steadily larger amount of knowledge about the villains becomes accumulated, which violates the NothingIsScarier rule. Villains are much more intimidating if we hardly know anything about them, and they come across as just being [[CompleteMonster single minded forces of nature]] with no real motivation other than [[ForTheEvulz to destroy things for the sake of it]]. Once writers start psychoanalyzing them and giving them definite reasons for what they do, they lose their menace.

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4. As a result, a steadily larger amount of knowledge about the villains becomes accumulated, which violates the NothingIsScarier rule. Villains are much more intimidating if we hardly know anything about them, and they come across as just being [[CompleteMonster single minded single-minded forces of nature]] nature with no real motivation other than [[ForTheEvulz to destroy things for the sake of it]]. Once writers start psychoanalyzing them and giving them definite reasons for what they do, they lose their menace.
20th Jan '17 4:19:40 AM petrus4
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1. They can begin the transition to VillainProtagonist, as did Blizzard's Orcs, and Star Trek's Borg ultimately did in isolated examples.

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1. They can begin the transition to AntiHero or VillainProtagonist, as did Blizzard's Orcs, and Star Trek's Borg ultimately did in isolated examples.
20th Jan '17 4:17:07 AM petrus4
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Villains who have gone through this process usually have three possible outcomes.

1. They can begin the transition to VillainProtagonist, as did Blizzard's Orcs, and Star Trek's Borg ultimately did in isolated examples.

2. They can become a ButtMonkey or source of cheap comedy. This has largely happened to DoctorWho's Daleks, who used to be TheDreaded, but now appear on game shows, at comic cons, and children's birthday parties.

3. They can be [[PutOnABus retired from use completely]].
20th Jan '17 4:09:43 AM petrus4
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This tends to happen as a result of the following process:-

1. An old or well-known series (particularly science fiction) has a famous signature villain that the fanbase loves.

2. The hero beats said villain(s) in their traditional form several times.

3. The writers become worried that fans will get bored with the villains unless they give said villains new strategies, or new forms of attack to use against the hero.

4. As a result, a steadily larger amount of knowledge about the villains becomes accumulated, which violates the NothingIsScarier rule. Villains are much more intimidating if we hardly know anything about them, and they come across as just being [[CompleteMonster single minded forces of nature]] with no real motivation other than [[ForTheEvulz to destroy things for the sake of it]]. Once writers start psychoanalyzing them and giving them definite reasons for what they do, they lose their menace.
28th Dec '16 9:40:35 AM longWriter
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Of course, you can prevent this by ''not'' having [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption failure be the only option]] for the villain; let them win battles, but not the war, or let their EvilPlan [[YouCantThwartStageOne come closer and closer to completion while the heroes race to prevent its final success]]. Or, for the ''really'' cunning villain, [[UnwittingPawn dupe the heroes into doing what they wanted all along]] or [[XanatosGambit benefit from them foiling the plan.]] Subsequent writers may decide to make the villain NotSoHarmless with a particularly shocking move on their part. Or you can make them a DiscOneFinalBoss, and set up somebody who is far more evil and hasn't decayed yet.

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Of course, you can prevent this by ''not'' having [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption failure be the only option]] for the villain; let them win battles, but not the war, or let their EvilPlan [[YouCantThwartStageOne come closer and closer to completion while the heroes race to prevent its final success]]. Another alternative is for there to be more than one villain in an evil organization with [[ConservationOfCompetence different levels of competence]] or [[VileVillainLaughableLackey seriousness]], with a boss who the audience can take seriously even if his minions lose repeatedly. Or, for the ''really'' cunning villain, [[UnwittingPawn dupe the heroes into doing what they wanted all along]] or [[XanatosGambit benefit from them foiling the plan.]] Subsequent writers may decide to make the villain NotSoHarmless with a particularly shocking move on their part. Or you can make them a DiscOneFinalBoss, and set up somebody who is far more evil and hasn't decayed yet.



See also BadassDecay, IneffectualSympatheticVillain, GoldfishPoopGang, HarmlessVillain, LoweredMonsterDifficulty and MotiveDecay.

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See also BadassDecay, IneffectualSympatheticVillain, GoldfishPoopGang, HarmlessVillain, LoweredMonsterDifficulty LoweredMonsterDifficulty, MotiveDecay, and MotiveDecay.
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