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16th May '17 10:21:49 PM Ploney0
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1. They can begin the transition to AntiHero or VillainProtagonist, as did Blizzard's Orcs, and Star Trek's Borg ultimately did in isolated examples.

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1. They can begin the transition to AntiHero or VillainProtagonist, as did Blizzard's Warcraft's Orcs, and Star Trek's Borg ultimately did in isolated examples.
21st Jan '17 6:48:57 AM ACW
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4. As a result, a steadily larger amount of knowledge about the villains becomes accumulated, which violates the NothingIsScarier rule. Villains are much more intimidating if we hardly know anything about them, and they come across as just being [[CompleteMonster single minded forces of nature]] with no real motivation other than [[ForTheEvulz to destroy things for the sake of it]]. Once writers start psychoanalyzing them and giving them definite reasons for what they do, they lose their menace.

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4. As a result, a steadily larger amount of knowledge about the villains becomes accumulated, which violates the NothingIsScarier rule. Villains are much more intimidating if we hardly know anything about them, and they come across as just being [[CompleteMonster single minded single-minded forces of nature]] nature with no real motivation other than [[ForTheEvulz to destroy things for the sake of it]]. Once writers start psychoanalyzing them and giving them definite reasons for what they do, they lose their menace.
20th Jan '17 4:19:40 AM petrus4
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1. They can begin the transition to VillainProtagonist, as did Blizzard's Orcs, and Star Trek's Borg ultimately did in isolated examples.

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1. They can begin the transition to AntiHero or VillainProtagonist, as did Blizzard's Orcs, and Star Trek's Borg ultimately did in isolated examples.
20th Jan '17 4:17:07 AM petrus4
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Villains who have gone through this process usually have three possible outcomes.

1. They can begin the transition to VillainProtagonist, as did Blizzard's Orcs, and Star Trek's Borg ultimately did in isolated examples.

2. They can become a ButtMonkey or source of cheap comedy. This has largely happened to DoctorWho's Daleks, who used to be TheDreaded, but now appear on game shows, at comic cons, and children's birthday parties.

3. They can be [[PutOnABus retired from use completely]].
20th Jan '17 4:09:43 AM petrus4
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This tends to happen as a result of the following process:-

1. An old or well-known series (particularly science fiction) has a famous signature villain that the fanbase loves.

2. The hero beats said villain(s) in their traditional form several times.

3. The writers become worried that fans will get bored with the villains unless they give said villains new strategies, or new forms of attack to use against the hero.

4. As a result, a steadily larger amount of knowledge about the villains becomes accumulated, which violates the NothingIsScarier rule. Villains are much more intimidating if we hardly know anything about them, and they come across as just being [[CompleteMonster single minded forces of nature]] with no real motivation other than [[ForTheEvulz to destroy things for the sake of it]]. Once writers start psychoanalyzing them and giving them definite reasons for what they do, they lose their menace.
28th Dec '16 9:40:35 AM longWriter
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Of course, you can prevent this by ''not'' having [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption failure be the only option]] for the villain; let them win battles, but not the war, or let their EvilPlan [[YouCantThwartStageOne come closer and closer to completion while the heroes race to prevent its final success]]. Or, for the ''really'' cunning villain, [[UnwittingPawn dupe the heroes into doing what they wanted all along]] or [[XanatosGambit benefit from them foiling the plan.]] Subsequent writers may decide to make the villain NotSoHarmless with a particularly shocking move on their part. Or you can make them a DiscOneFinalBoss, and set up somebody who is far more evil and hasn't decayed yet.

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Of course, you can prevent this by ''not'' having [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption failure be the only option]] for the villain; let them win battles, but not the war, or let their EvilPlan [[YouCantThwartStageOne come closer and closer to completion while the heroes race to prevent its final success]]. Another alternative is for there to be more than one villain in an evil organization with [[ConservationOfCompetence different levels of competence]] or [[VileVillainLaughableLackey seriousness]], with a boss who the audience can take seriously even if his minions lose repeatedly. Or, for the ''really'' cunning villain, [[UnwittingPawn dupe the heroes into doing what they wanted all along]] or [[XanatosGambit benefit from them foiling the plan.]] Subsequent writers may decide to make the villain NotSoHarmless with a particularly shocking move on their part. Or you can make them a DiscOneFinalBoss, and set up somebody who is far more evil and hasn't decayed yet.



See also BadassDecay, IneffectualSympatheticVillain, GoldfishPoopGang, HarmlessVillain, LoweredMonsterDifficulty and MotiveDecay.

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See also BadassDecay, IneffectualSympatheticVillain, GoldfishPoopGang, HarmlessVillain, LoweredMonsterDifficulty LoweredMonsterDifficulty, MotiveDecay, and MotiveDecay.
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1st Dec '16 12:02:16 PM Morgenthaler
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* For the first two thirds of the 2009 storyline of Toys/{{Bionicle}}, [[BigBad Tuma]] is built up as a [[TheChessmaster Machiavellian]] {{Badass}}, and his Skrall warriors as [[BossInMookClothing each able to curb-stomp even the best Glatorian]] and using advanced militaristic tactics. The Legend Reborn presents Tuma as the DumbMuscle, who throws away any menace he had by holding onto the VillainBall with both hands, and serves merely as TheDragon to [[spoiler: [[TheMole Metus]]]]. The rest of the Skrall fare even worse, being tossed around effortlessly by the Glatorian they were supposedly more than a match for, while their tactics amount to {{Zerg Rush}}ing their opponents.

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* For the first two thirds of the 2009 storyline of Toys/{{Bionicle}}, [[BigBad Tuma]] is built up as a [[TheChessmaster Machiavellian]] {{Badass}}, Machiavellian badass]], and his Skrall warriors as [[BossInMookClothing each able to curb-stomp even the best Glatorian]] and using advanced militaristic tactics. The Legend Reborn presents Tuma as the DumbMuscle, who throws away any menace he had by holding onto the VillainBall with both hands, and serves merely as TheDragon to [[spoiler: [[TheMole Metus]]]]. The rest of the Skrall fare even worse, being tossed around effortlessly by the Glatorian they were supposedly more than a match for, while their tactics amount to {{Zerg Rush}}ing their opponents.
22nd Oct '16 2:23:17 PM Prometheus117
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** Necrons. When first formally introduced, they were supremely enigmatic horrors serving even more horrific beings, known for mysterious harvests of life, unknown plans, and ridiculously advanced technology. Fan perception of them quickly made them {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s to the public eye, and they began to be perceived as a race-wide CreatorsPet. The 5th Edition Codex has resulted in a serious hit to the Necrons' previously unknown and unstoppable nature in favor of shifting the focus towards the Tyranids and Chaos as the greatest threats facing humanity, [[TropesAreNotBad revealing much of their past and giving plenty of]] CharacterDevelopment to the race which as a natural consequence destroyed much of the mystery surrounding them, going from NothingIsScarier {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s to [[Tabletop/WahammerFantasy the Tomb Kings]] [[RecycledInSpace IN SPACE]]. The [[BrokenBase debate on whether this ruined the faction forever or breathed new life into them still rages to this day]].

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** Necrons. When first formally introduced, they were supremely enigmatic horrors serving even more horrific beings, known for mysterious harvests of life, unknown plans, and ridiculously advanced technology. Fan perception of them quickly made them {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s to the public eye, and they began to be perceived as a race-wide CreatorsPet. The 5th Edition Codex has resulted in a serious hit to the Necrons' previously unknown and unstoppable nature in favor of shifting the focus towards the Tyranids and Chaos as the greatest threats facing humanity, [[TropesAreNotBad revealing much of their past and giving plenty of]] CharacterDevelopment to the race which as a natural consequence destroyed much of the mystery surrounding them, going from NothingIsScarier {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s to [[Tabletop/WahammerFantasy [[Tabletop/WarhammerFantasy the Tomb Kings]] [[RecycledInSpace IN SPACE]]. The [[BrokenBase debate on whether this ruined the faction forever or breathed new life into them still rages to this day]].
22nd Oct '16 2:22:18 PM Prometheus117
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** Necrons. When first formally introduced, they were supremely enigmatic horrors serving even more horrific beings, known for mysterious harvests of life, unknown plans, and ridiculously advanced technology. Fan perception of them quickly made them {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s to the public eye, and they began to be perceived as a race-wide CreatorsPet. The 5th Edition Codex has resulted in a serious hit to the Necrons' previously unknown and unstoppable nature in favor of shifting the focus towards the Tyranids and Chaos as the greatest threats facing humanity.

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** Necrons. When first formally introduced, they were supremely enigmatic horrors serving even more horrific beings, known for mysterious harvests of life, unknown plans, and ridiculously advanced technology. Fan perception of them quickly made them {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s to the public eye, and they began to be perceived as a race-wide CreatorsPet. The 5th Edition Codex has resulted in a serious hit to the Necrons' previously unknown and unstoppable nature in favor of shifting the focus towards the Tyranids and Chaos as the greatest threats facing humanity.humanity, [[TropesAreNotBad revealing much of their past and giving plenty of]] CharacterDevelopment to the race which as a natural consequence destroyed much of the mystery surrounding them, going from NothingIsScarier {{Omnicidal Maniac}}s to [[Tabletop/WahammerFantasy the Tomb Kings]] [[RecycledInSpace IN SPACE]]. The [[BrokenBase debate on whether this ruined the faction forever or breathed new life into them still rages to this day]].
4th Oct '16 9:02:16 PM troodos
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* For the first two thirds of the 2009 storyline of Toys/{{Bionicle}}, [[BigBad Tuma]] is built up as a [[TheChessmaster Machiavellian]] {{Badass}}, and his Skrall warriors as [[BossInMookClothing each able to curb-stomp even the best Glatorian]] and using advanced militaristic tactics. The Legend Reborn presents Tuma as the DumbMuscle, who throws away any menace he had by holding onto the VillainBall with both hands, and serves merely as TheDragon to [[spoiler: [[TheMole Metus]]]]. The rest of the Skrall fare even worse, being tossed around effortlessly by the Glatorian they were supposedly more than a match for, while their tactics amount to {{Zerg Rush}}ing their opponents.
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