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16th Feb '18 5:54:01 AM Shadowgazer
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* On the rare occasions that Team Rocket from ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' are acting good, the protagonists don't usually buy it, even if they were being sincere. Oddly, the weaker their disguise is when doing actual crime the more likely they are to fool Ash and friends. It seems they only really notice them out-of-uniform if they're doing anything other than evil. Team Rocket jumping to their death so Ash and Lugia live, and no-one even mentioning it: at the end of the movie (they survived), they are complaining about how no-one noticed their good deeds. Slowking then [[BreakingTheFourthWall broke the Fourth Wall]] when he told them that lots of people (the audience) knew what they did.



* ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s origin story in some versions of the ComicBook/XMen comes from this. He survives the Holocaust and comes to view humanity as fundamentally intolerant to those different from themselves. Still tries to live a normal life. Then an [[TorchesAndPitchforks angry peasant mob]] kills his daughter by setting the inn where they lived on fire. When he was prevented from saving her, Magnus's powers manifest uncontrollably and kill the mob. His wife, who has survived all of this, calls him a monster and runs from him.

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* ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s origin story in some versions of the ComicBook/XMen comes from this. He survives the Holocaust and comes to view humanity as fundamentally intolerant to those different from themselves. Still He still tries to live a normal life. Then an [[TorchesAndPitchforks angry peasant mob]] kills his daughter by setting the inn where they lived on fire. When he was prevented from saving her, Magnus's powers manifest uncontrollably and kill the mob. His wife, who has survived all of this, calls him a monster and runs from him.
16th Feb '18 5:45:22 AM Shadowgazer
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A specific type of [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain Sympathetic Villain]], or even a VillainProtagonist. A character who simply cannot become liked or even viewed by the other inhabitants of their world as basically ''good'', no matter what they do. If they kick a soccer ball to a child who lost it, it will instantly [[KickTheDog morph into a puppy]] before the poor kid's very eyes just to retroactively force evil on this villain. If they have a love interest, almost all other characters (and possibly even the viewer) will think of their affections as StalkerWithACrush material. This character is often the object not merely of bad luck or karma but of active stereotyping, with the world at large openly calling their lifestyle, deeds, or even their very ''existence'' ([[BadPowersBadPeople in the case of those with powers]]) things like "criminal", "wrong", or "abomination against [[[HelloInsertNameHere insert god here]]]."

Generally treated by the author as either a figure of comedy or of tragedy. A comedic mandatory-villain will generally keep on trying throughout the entire series or story to make themselves good, and will generally keep their spirits up despite the misfortune visited upon them. On the other hand, a tragic mandatory-villain will sometimes become so fed up with their lot in life that they decide to [[ThenLetMeBeEvil deliberately cross]] the MoralEventHorizon into genuine villainy, and doing so may be treated either as a sign of the character's deep inner pain, as a sign that YouCantFightFate, or as a sign that the character was too morally weak. When stereotyping is the thing that forces the villainy, there will sometimes be a stated or implied {{Aesop}} that all the suffering could have been avoided but for the type-casting committed by the less sympathetic characters.

Compare with WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds for the tragic version and with ReformedButRejected for those who actually started out as villains at some point. Also compare with TrappedInVillainy for a character whose inability to reform comes from outside sources. Contrast with IneffectualSympatheticVillain for the comedic -- with the difference being the intended morality at which the comedic character fails. Compare HeroWithAnFInGood. Often appears in a KafkaComedy.

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A specific type of [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain Sympathetic Villain]], or even a VillainProtagonist. A character who simply cannot become liked or even viewed by the other inhabitants of their world as basically ''good'', no matter what they do. If they kick a soccer ball to a child who lost it, it will instantly [[KickTheDog morph into a puppy]] before the poor kid's very eyes just to retroactively force evil on this villain. If they have a love interest, almost all other characters (and possibly even the viewer) will think of their affections as StalkerWithACrush material. This character is often the object not merely of bad luck or karma but of active stereotyping, with the world at large openly calling their lifestyle, deeds, or even their very ''existence'' ([[BadPowersBadPeople in the case of those with powers]]) things like "criminal", "wrong", or "abomination against [[[HelloInsertNameHere insert god here]]]."

Generally treated by the author as either a figure of comedy or of tragedy. A comedic mandatory-villain mandatory-character will generally keep on trying throughout the entire series or story to make themselves good, and will generally keep their spirits up despite the misfortune visited upon them. On the other hand, a tragic mandatory-villain mandatory-character will sometimes become so fed up with their lot in life that they decide to [[ThenLetMeBeEvil deliberately cross]] the MoralEventHorizon into genuine villainy, and doing so may be treated either as a sign of the character's deep inner pain, as a sign that YouCantFightFate, or as a sign that the character was too morally weak.weak depending on both the author's intent and in the seriousness of their suffering. When stereotyping is the thing that forces the villainy, there will sometimes be a stated or implied {{Aesop}} that all the suffering could have been avoided but for the type-casting committed by the less sympathetic characters.

Compare with WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds for the tragic version of someone who snaps and does evil after much suffering and with ReformedButRejected for those who actually started out as villains at some point. point and it is ouf of mistrust and lack of forgiveness for what they did that they become rejected. Also compare with TrappedInVillainy for a character whose inability to reform comes from outside sources.sources, mostly with genuine villains who threaten them into helping them. Contrast with IneffectualSympatheticVillain for the comedic -- with the difference being the intended morality at which the comedic character fails. Compare HeroWithAnFInGood. Often appears in a KafkaComedy.
21st Jan '18 8:11:44 PM Ninamarie124
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22nd Jul '17 2:35:54 AM Ymirsdaughter
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* ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s origin story in some versions of the ComicBook/XMen comes from this. He survives the Holocaust and comes to view humanity as fundamentally intolerant to those different from themselves. Still tries to live a normal life. Then an [[TorchesAndPitchforks angry peasant mob]] kills his wife and one of his daughters. He therefore decides, upon realizing his mutant powers, to build a mutant empire.
** It's even worse than that. The mob is more-or-less responsible for his daughter's death. When he was prevented from saving her, Magnus's powers manifest uncontrollably and kill the mob. His wife, who has survived all of this, calls him a monster and runs from him.

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* ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s origin story in some versions of the ComicBook/XMen comes from this. He survives the Holocaust and comes to view humanity as fundamentally intolerant to those different from themselves. Still tries to live a normal life. Then an [[TorchesAndPitchforks angry peasant mob]] kills his wife and one of his daughters. He therefore decides, upon realizing his mutant powers, to build a mutant empire.
** It's even worse than that. The mob is more-or-less responsible for his daughter's death.
daughter by setting the inn where they lived on fire. When he was prevented from saving her, Magnus's powers manifest uncontrollably and kill the mob. His wife, who has survived all of this, calls him a monster and runs from him.
9th Apr '17 2:43:15 PM Spokuha
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* Vampire Aiden from Syfy's ''Series/BeingHumanUS'' is doing everything in his power to be a better person. Except every single thing he does blows up in his face in a way that either makes everything he does look worse in retrospect or leaves him with no choice but to ShootTheDog.

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* Vampire Aiden Aidan from Syfy's ''Series/BeingHumanUS'' is doing everything in his power to be a better person. Except every single thing he does blows up in his face in a way that either makes everything he does look worse in retrospect or leaves him with no choice but to ShootTheDog.
4th Nov '16 10:25:17 AM DarthHowie
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Compare with WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds for the tragic version and with ReformedButRejected for those who actually started out as villains at some point. Also compare with TrappedInVillainy for a character whose inability to reform comes from outside sources. Contrast with IneffectualSympatheticVillain for the comedic -- with the difference being the intended morality at which the comedic character fails. Compare HeroWithAnFInGood.

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Compare with WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds for the tragic version and with ReformedButRejected for those who actually started out as villains at some point. Also compare with TrappedInVillainy for a character whose inability to reform comes from outside sources. Contrast with IneffectualSympatheticVillain for the comedic -- with the difference being the intended morality at which the comedic character fails. Compare HeroWithAnFInGood.
HeroWithAnFInGood. Often appears in a KafkaComedy.
29th Oct '16 1:04:46 AM Morgenthaler
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* Both Tyrion and Jaime Lannister from ''ASongOfIceAndFire''. Tyrion is a fundamentally decent guy who actively tries to help the people of King's Landing while serving as Hand of the King. However, the deck is stacked against him because he's a dwarf; most of his family hates him and the common people regard him as a monster. Being [[GoodScarsEvilScars mutilated]] doesn't make him much popular either. His brother Jaime, on the other hand, is regarded as an oath-breaker for killing King Aerys, even though he secretly saved the lives of a city's worth of people doing it. Even as he tries to redeem himself and become a better knight, his name becomes associated with treachery due to circumstances beyond his control. An especially striking example of this trope for him: he threatens to send a baby to its death in a trebuchet to prevent a bloody siege of Riverrun castle. He'd previously made an oath not to raise his sword against House Tully, and this helped solve the situation without bloodshed - but everyone in listening distance got the impression that he was evil.

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* Both Tyrion and Jaime Lannister from ''ASongOfIceAndFire''.''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''. Tyrion is a fundamentally decent guy who actively tries to help the people of King's Landing while serving as Hand of the King. However, the deck is stacked against him because he's a dwarf; most of his family hates him and the common people regard him as a monster. Being [[GoodScarsEvilScars mutilated]] doesn't make him much popular either. His brother Jaime, on the other hand, is regarded as an oath-breaker for killing King Aerys, even though he secretly saved the lives of a city's worth of people doing it. Even as he tries to redeem himself and become a better knight, his name becomes associated with treachery due to circumstances beyond his control. An especially striking example of this trope for him: he threatens to send a baby to its death in a trebuchet to prevent a bloody siege of Riverrun castle. He'd previously made an oath not to raise his sword against House Tully, and this helped solve the situation without bloodshed - but everyone in listening distance got the impression that he was evil.



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* The Urpneys hold the ball to ludicrous levels in ''TheDreamstone''. While most of them are cowardly {{Punchclock Villains}} who [[TrappedInVillainy only serve Zordrak out of fear for their life]], they are consistently viewed as irredeemable scum by the otherwise messianic Land of Dreams, for [[PokeThePoodle trying to give them nightmares]] no less. Their only willing attempt to truce with the Urpneys was by {{Heel Face Brainwashing}} them. Ironically between the two, the heroes actually performed the nearest to a genuine VillainBall (the Urpneys pull {{Idiot Ball}}s by the thousand, but rarely KickTheDog [[PragmaticVillain outside orders]]), [[ATasteOfDefeat getting humiliated by the Urpneys]] during a couple of instances after [[DisproportionateRetribution taking their retribution to too gratuitous a level]].

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* The Urpneys hold the ball to ludicrous levels in ''TheDreamstone''.''WesternAnimation/TheDreamstone''. While most of them are cowardly {{Punchclock Villains}} who [[TrappedInVillainy only serve Zordrak out of fear for their life]], they are consistently viewed as irredeemable scum by the otherwise messianic Land of Dreams, for [[PokeThePoodle trying to give them nightmares]] no less. Their only willing attempt to truce with the Urpneys was by {{Heel Face Brainwashing}} them. Ironically between the two, the heroes actually performed the nearest to a genuine VillainBall (the Urpneys pull {{Idiot Ball}}s by the thousand, but rarely KickTheDog [[PragmaticVillain outside orders]]), [[ATasteOfDefeat getting humiliated by the Urpneys]] during a couple of instances after [[DisproportionateRetribution taking their retribution to too gratuitous a level]].
8th Jun '16 5:20:52 AM Psi001
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** It has reached extremes in odd later episodes, however they are almost always when Brian is dishing out as much vitriol towards Quagmire as he takes or is even genuinely screwing him over, making Quagmire's hatred of him far more provoked. Still he can still be rather outspoken and petty in his grudge against Brian.

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** It has reached extremes in odd later episodes, however they are almost always when Brian is dishing out as much vitriol towards Quagmire as he takes or is even genuinely screwing him over, making Quagmire's hatred of him far more provoked. Still he can still be rather outspoken and petty in his grudge against Brian.Brian, with a lot of their beefs with each other lampshaded as HypocriticalHumor.
3rd Jun '16 10:09:47 AM Dravencour
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* This is the premise of ''Webcomic/DarwinCarmichaelIsGoingToHell''. Because one mistake as a teenager caused irreversible brain damage to the baby Dalai Lama, he's wracked up more bad karma than a whole lifetime of being good and nice could ever compensate. As a result, he's his universe's [[TheChewtoy karmic chewtoy]] and his daily life consists of NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished. Even when he talks a suicidal man back to choosing life and holding on he gets berated for "going against God's will."

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* This is the premise of ''Webcomic/DarwinCarmichaelIsGoingToHell''. Because one mistake as a teenager caused irreversible brain damage to the baby Dalai Lama, he's wracked up more bad karma than a whole lifetime of being good and nice could ever compensate.compensate for. As a result, he's his universe's [[TheChewtoy karmic chewtoy]] and his daily life consists of NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished. Even when he talks a suicidal man back to choosing life and holding on he gets berated for "going against God's will."



** A great example of this is in Captain Hammer's introduction scene. Dr. Horrible is using his cellphone to remotely control a van.



* Zuko from around season 2 to the middle of season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', experiences this. Whenever he tries honestly to help people in general, it is usually twisted in some way to become worse. He also gave the page quote when he accidentally burned Toph's soles after she was the only one of the Gaang to stick up for him.

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* Prince Zuko from around season 2 to the middle of season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', experiences this. Whenever he tries honestly to help people in general, it is usually twisted in some way to become worse. He also gave the page quote when he accidentally burned Toph's soles after she was the only one of the Gaang to stick up for him.



** His return to evil seemed to have a LOT to do with finding out that the one woman he thought was looking beyond his unfortunate appearance and sinister past was only hanging around him as a prank. That she had begun to develop some genuine affection for him by the time he finds out about the "joke" just makes it all the more tragic.

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** His return to evil seemed to have a LOT to do with finding out that the one woman he thought was looking beyond his unfortunate appearance and sinister past was [[FalseFriend only hanging around him as a prank.prank]]. That she had begun to develop some genuine affection for him by the time he finds out about the "joke" just makes it all the more tragic.
5th Apr '16 6:30:07 AM Shadowgazer
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