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5th Apr '16 6:30:07 AM Shadowgazer
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19th Dec '15 10:20:51 AM TheRichmaster
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* ''https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9396873/ The Art of Failure'' shows a possibility of why Jack Spicer [[{{Main/Determinator}} keeps on trying]] despite the fact that he never seems to win

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* ''https://www.''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9396873/ The Art of Failure'' Failure]]'' shows a possibility of why [[{{BeadyEyedLoser}} Jack Spicer Spicer]] [[{{Main/Determinator}} keeps on trying]] despite the fact that he never seems to win
19th Dec '15 10:09:21 AM TheRichmaster
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* ''https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9396873/ The Art of Failure'' shows a possibility of why Jack Spicer [[{{Main/Determinator}} keeps on trying]] despite the fact that he never seems to win


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* Jack Spicer in''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown''. There have been times when Jack has tried to be good and even saved the heroes on multiple occasions but somehow it always goes wrong for him.
14th Oct '15 12:52:08 PM StFan
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* On the rare occasions that Team Rocket from ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' are acting good, the protagonists don't usually buy it, even if they were being sincere.
** Oddly, the weaker their disguise is when doing actual crime the more likely they are to fool Ash and friends. It seems they only really notice them out-of-uniform if they're doing anything other than evil.
** Team Rocket jumping to their death so Ash and Lugia live, and no one even mentioning it.
*** That was a ''weird'' example. At the end of the movie (they survived), they were complaining about how no one noticed their good deeds. Slowking then [[BreakingTheFourthWall broke the Fourth Wall]] when he told them that lots of people (the audience) knew what they did.

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* On the rare occasions that Team Rocket from ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' are acting good, the protagonists don't usually buy it, even if they were being sincere.
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sincere. Oddly, the weaker their disguise is when doing actual crime the more likely they are to fool Ash and friends. It seems they only really notice them out-of-uniform if they're doing anything other than evil.
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evil. Team Rocket jumping to their death so Ash and Lugia live, and no one no-one even mentioning it.
*** That was a ''weird'' example. At
it: at the end of the movie (they survived), they were are complaining about how no one no-one noticed their good deeds. Slowking then [[BreakingTheFourthWall broke the Fourth Wall]] when he told them that lots of people (the audience) knew what they did.



* The title character of the manga ''{{Ratman}}'' often fits this troop. Despite this "hero" working for a villainous organization. Especially towards a girl he likes.

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* The title character of the manga ''{{Ratman}}'' ''Manga/{{Ratman}}'' often fits this troop. Despite this "hero" working for a villainous organization. Especially towards a girl he likes.



* [[{{Magneto}} Magneto's]] origin story in some versions of the ComicBook/XMen comes from this. He survives the Holocaust and comes to view humanity as fundamentally intolerant to those different from themselves. Still tries to live a normal life. Then an [[TorchesAndPitchforks angry peasant mob]] kills his wife and one of his daughters. He therefore decides, upon realizing his mutant powers, to build a mutant empire.

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* [[{{Magneto}} Magneto's]] ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s origin story in some versions of the ComicBook/XMen comes from this. He survives the Holocaust and comes to view humanity as fundamentally intolerant to those different from themselves. Still tries to live a normal life. Then an [[TorchesAndPitchforks angry peasant mob]] kills his wife and one of his daughters. He therefore decides, upon realizing his mutant powers, to build a mutant empire.



* Marv in ''SinCity''. Dwight says in a different era he would've been worshipped as a hero and had his choice of women. Instead ''everyone'' treats him as dumb muscle.

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* Marv in ''SinCity''.''ComicBook/SinCity''. Dwight says in a different era he would've been worshipped as a hero and had his choice of women. Instead ''everyone'' treats him as dumb muscle.



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* FanFic/DungeonKeeperAmi involves [[Anime/SailorMoon Sailor Mercury]] being forced to become a [[VideoGame/DungeonKeeper Keeper]]. It becomes almost impossible for her to convince the heroes of the land that she ''isn't'', in fact, evil.

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* FanFic/DungeonKeeperAmi ''Fanfic/DungeonKeeperAmi'' involves [[Anime/SailorMoon Sailor Mercury]] being forced to become a [[VideoGame/DungeonKeeper Keeper]]. It becomes almost impossible for her to convince the heroes of the land that she ''isn't'', in fact, evil.
4th Oct '15 8:11:20 PM nombretomado
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* Vampire Aiden from Syfy's ''Series/BeingHumanRemake'' is doing everything in his power to be a better person. Except every single thing he does blows up in his face in a way that either makes everything he does look worse in retrospect or leaves him with no choice but to ShootTheDog.

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* Vampire Aiden from Syfy's ''Series/BeingHumanRemake'' ''Series/BeingHumanUS'' is doing everything in his power to be a better person. Except every single thing he does blows up in his face in a way that either makes everything he does look worse in retrospect or leaves him with no choice but to ShootTheDog.
28th Sep '15 9:29:23 PM Psi001
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** It has reached extremes in odd later episodes, however they are almost always when Brian is dishing out as much vitriol towards Quagmire as he takes or is even genuinely screwing him over, making Quagmire's hatred of him far more provoked.

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** It has reached extremes in odd later episodes, however they are almost always when Brian is dishing out as much vitriol towards Quagmire as he takes or is even genuinely screwing him over, making Quagmire's hatred of him far more provoked. Still he can still be rather outspoken and petty in his grudge against Brian.
9th Sep '15 6:52:37 PM Prfnoff
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* [[VideoGame/YggdraUnion Nessiah]] in the ''VideoGame/DeptHeaven'' series. Played for tragedy in the main games, where his condition is the result of extreme FantasticRacism in Asgard; after all he's been through, he just [[WellIntentionedExtremist stops really caring who gets hurt]] in his attempt to settle the score, and his few chances at being happy are [[YankTheDogsChain inevitably ruined by the writers]] ([[VideoGame/BlazeUnion and]] [[OmniscientMoralityLicense Baretreenu]]). Exaggerated to [[UpToEleven outrageous extremes]] in ''YggdraUnison'', where everyone just kind of assumes that he's pure evil because of his appearance and [[{{Troll}} general attitude]], and [[YouDidntAsk he doesn't bother explaining his actions to them]].

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* [[VideoGame/YggdraUnion Nessiah]] in the ''VideoGame/DeptHeaven'' series. Played for tragedy in the main games, where his condition is the result of extreme FantasticRacism in Asgard; after all he's been through, he just [[WellIntentionedExtremist stops really caring who gets hurt]] in his attempt to settle the score, and his few chances at being happy are [[YankTheDogsChain inevitably ruined by the writers]] ([[VideoGame/BlazeUnion and]] [[OmniscientMoralityLicense Baretreenu]]). Exaggerated to [[UpToEleven outrageous extremes]] in ''YggdraUnison'', ''VideoGame/YggdraUnison'', where everyone just kind of assumes that he's pure evil because of his appearance and [[{{Troll}} general attitude]], and [[YouDidntAsk he doesn't bother explaining his actions to them]].



* This is the premise of DarwinCarmichaelIsGoingToHell. Because one mistake as a teenager caused irreversible brain damage to the baby Dalai Lama, he's wracked up more bad karma than a whole lifetime of being good and nice could ever compensate. As a result, he's his universe's [[TheChewtoy karmic chewtoy]] and his daily life consists of NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished. Even when he talks a suicidal man back to choosing life and holding on he gets berated for "going against God's will."

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* This is the premise of DarwinCarmichaelIsGoingToHell.''Webcomic/DarwinCarmichaelIsGoingToHell''. Because one mistake as a teenager caused irreversible brain damage to the baby Dalai Lama, he's wracked up more bad karma than a whole lifetime of being good and nice could ever compensate. As a result, he's his universe's [[TheChewtoy karmic chewtoy]] and his daily life consists of NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished. Even when he talks a suicidal man back to choosing life and holding on he gets berated for "going against God's will."
27th Aug '15 6:07:59 PM Dravencour
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A specific type of [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain Sympathetic Villain]], or even a VillainProtagonist. A character who simply cannot become liked or even viewed by the other inhabitants of their world as basically ''good'', no matter what they do. If they kick a soccer ball to a child who lost it, it will instantly [[KickTheDog morph into a puppy]] before the poor kid's very eyes just to retroactively force evil on this villain. If they have a love interest, almost all other characters (and possibly even the viewer) will think of their affections as StalkerWithACrush material. This character is often the object not merely of bad luck or karma but of active stereotyping, with the world at large openly calling their lifestyle, deeds, or ''existence'' ([[BadPowersBadPeople in the case of those with powers]]) things like "criminal", "wrong", or "abomination against [[[HelloInsertNameHere insert god here]]]."

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A specific type of [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain Sympathetic Villain]], or even a VillainProtagonist. A character who simply cannot become liked or even viewed by the other inhabitants of their world as basically ''good'', no matter what they do. If they kick a soccer ball to a child who lost it, it will instantly [[KickTheDog morph into a puppy]] before the poor kid's very eyes just to retroactively force evil on this villain. If they have a love interest, almost all other characters (and possibly even the viewer) will think of their affections as StalkerWithACrush material. This character is often the object not merely of bad luck or karma but of active stereotyping, with the world at large openly calling their lifestyle, deeds, or even their very ''existence'' ([[BadPowersBadPeople in the case of those with powers]]) things like "criminal", "wrong", or "abomination against [[[HelloInsertNameHere insert god here]]]."
7th Aug '15 7:16:24 PM Discar
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-> "WHY AM I SO BAD AT BEING GOOD?!"

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-> "WHY ->''"WHY AM I SO BAD AT BEING GOOD?!"GOOD?"''



* ''LightNovel/IchibanUshiroNoDaimaou'': The core of the entire show. No matter what Akuto does, he just can't seem to convince the other students he's not evil.

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* ''LightNovel/IchibanUshiroNoDaimaou'': ''LightNovel/DemonKingDaimao'': The core of the entire show. No matter what Akuto does, he just can't seem to convince the other students he's not evil.
16th Jun '15 1:49:26 PM Morgenthaler
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* This trope is both [[InvokedTrope invoked]] and [[SubvertedTrope subverted]], and having an [[InvertedTrope inversion]] of ''[[ZigZaggingTrope that]]'' at the same time, early on in Creator/{{Plato}}'s ''Literature/{{Republic}}'', making it (kind of) OlderThanFeudalism. In a [[CommanderContrarian Devil's Advocate]] attempt to present injustice as more profitable than justice by contrasting the perfectly just man (who appears to be this trope, [[SubvertedTrope but isn't]] because he's actually TheHero) with the perfectly unjust man, who is [[InvertedTrope the exact opposite]]. ItMakesSenseInContext.

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* This trope is both [[InvokedTrope invoked]] and [[SubvertedTrope subverted]], and having an [[InvertedTrope inversion]] of ''[[ZigZaggingTrope that]]'' at the same time, early on in Creator/{{Plato}}'s ''Literature/{{Republic}}'', ''Literature/TheRepublic'', making it (kind of) OlderThanFeudalism. In a [[CommanderContrarian Devil's Advocate]] attempt to present injustice as more profitable than justice by contrasting the perfectly just man (who appears to be this trope, [[SubvertedTrope but isn't]] because he's actually TheHero) with the perfectly unjust man, who is [[InvertedTrope the exact opposite]]. ItMakesSenseInContext.
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