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22nd Jul '17 2:35:54 AM Ymirsdaughter
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* ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s origin story in some versions of the ComicBook/XMen comes from this. He survives the Holocaust and comes to view humanity as fundamentally intolerant to those different from themselves. Still tries to live a normal life. Then an [[TorchesAndPitchforks angry peasant mob]] kills his wife and one of his daughters. He therefore decides, upon realizing his mutant powers, to build a mutant empire.
** It's even worse than that. The mob is more-or-less responsible for his daughter's death. When he was prevented from saving her, Magnus's powers manifest uncontrollably and kill the mob. His wife, who has survived all of this, calls him a monster and runs from him.

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* ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s origin story in some versions of the ComicBook/XMen comes from this. He survives the Holocaust and comes to view humanity as fundamentally intolerant to those different from themselves. Still tries to live a normal life. Then an [[TorchesAndPitchforks angry peasant mob]] kills his wife and one of his daughters. He therefore decides, upon realizing his mutant powers, to build a mutant empire.
** It's even worse than that. The mob is more-or-less responsible for his daughter's death.
daughter by setting the inn where they lived on fire. When he was prevented from saving her, Magnus's powers manifest uncontrollably and kill the mob. His wife, who has survived all of this, calls him a monster and runs from him.
9th Apr '17 2:43:15 PM Spokuha
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* Vampire Aiden from Syfy's ''Series/BeingHumanUS'' is doing everything in his power to be a better person. Except every single thing he does blows up in his face in a way that either makes everything he does look worse in retrospect or leaves him with no choice but to ShootTheDog.

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* Vampire Aiden Aidan from Syfy's ''Series/BeingHumanUS'' is doing everything in his power to be a better person. Except every single thing he does blows up in his face in a way that either makes everything he does look worse in retrospect or leaves him with no choice but to ShootTheDog.
4th Nov '16 10:25:17 AM DarthHowie
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Compare with WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds for the tragic version and with ReformedButRejected for those who actually started out as villains at some point. Also compare with TrappedInVillainy for a character whose inability to reform comes from outside sources. Contrast with IneffectualSympatheticVillain for the comedic -- with the difference being the intended morality at which the comedic character fails. Compare HeroWithAnFInGood.

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Compare with WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds for the tragic version and with ReformedButRejected for those who actually started out as villains at some point. Also compare with TrappedInVillainy for a character whose inability to reform comes from outside sources. Contrast with IneffectualSympatheticVillain for the comedic -- with the difference being the intended morality at which the comedic character fails. Compare HeroWithAnFInGood.
HeroWithAnFInGood. Often appears in a KafkaComedy.
29th Oct '16 1:04:46 AM Morgenthaler
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* Both Tyrion and Jaime Lannister from ''ASongOfIceAndFire''. Tyrion is a fundamentally decent guy who actively tries to help the people of King's Landing while serving as Hand of the King. However, the deck is stacked against him because he's a dwarf; most of his family hates him and the common people regard him as a monster. Being [[GoodScarsEvilScars mutilated]] doesn't make him much popular either. His brother Jaime, on the other hand, is regarded as an oath-breaker for killing King Aerys, even though he secretly saved the lives of a city's worth of people doing it. Even as he tries to redeem himself and become a better knight, his name becomes associated with treachery due to circumstances beyond his control. An especially striking example of this trope for him: he threatens to send a baby to its death in a trebuchet to prevent a bloody siege of Riverrun castle. He'd previously made an oath not to raise his sword against House Tully, and this helped solve the situation without bloodshed - but everyone in listening distance got the impression that he was evil.

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* Both Tyrion and Jaime Lannister from ''ASongOfIceAndFire''.''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''. Tyrion is a fundamentally decent guy who actively tries to help the people of King's Landing while serving as Hand of the King. However, the deck is stacked against him because he's a dwarf; most of his family hates him and the common people regard him as a monster. Being [[GoodScarsEvilScars mutilated]] doesn't make him much popular either. His brother Jaime, on the other hand, is regarded as an oath-breaker for killing King Aerys, even though he secretly saved the lives of a city's worth of people doing it. Even as he tries to redeem himself and become a better knight, his name becomes associated with treachery due to circumstances beyond his control. An especially striking example of this trope for him: he threatens to send a baby to its death in a trebuchet to prevent a bloody siege of Riverrun castle. He'd previously made an oath not to raise his sword against House Tully, and this helped solve the situation without bloodshed - but everyone in listening distance got the impression that he was evil.



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* The Urpneys hold the ball to ludicrous levels in ''TheDreamstone''. While most of them are cowardly {{Punchclock Villains}} who [[TrappedInVillainy only serve Zordrak out of fear for their life]], they are consistently viewed as irredeemable scum by the otherwise messianic Land of Dreams, for [[PokeThePoodle trying to give them nightmares]] no less. Their only willing attempt to truce with the Urpneys was by {{Heel Face Brainwashing}} them. Ironically between the two, the heroes actually performed the nearest to a genuine VillainBall (the Urpneys pull {{Idiot Ball}}s by the thousand, but rarely KickTheDog [[PragmaticVillain outside orders]]), [[ATasteOfDefeat getting humiliated by the Urpneys]] during a couple of instances after [[DisproportionateRetribution taking their retribution to too gratuitous a level]].

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* The Urpneys hold the ball to ludicrous levels in ''TheDreamstone''.''WesternAnimation/TheDreamstone''. While most of them are cowardly {{Punchclock Villains}} who [[TrappedInVillainy only serve Zordrak out of fear for their life]], they are consistently viewed as irredeemable scum by the otherwise messianic Land of Dreams, for [[PokeThePoodle trying to give them nightmares]] no less. Their only willing attempt to truce with the Urpneys was by {{Heel Face Brainwashing}} them. Ironically between the two, the heroes actually performed the nearest to a genuine VillainBall (the Urpneys pull {{Idiot Ball}}s by the thousand, but rarely KickTheDog [[PragmaticVillain outside orders]]), [[ATasteOfDefeat getting humiliated by the Urpneys]] during a couple of instances after [[DisproportionateRetribution taking their retribution to too gratuitous a level]].
8th Jun '16 5:20:52 AM Psi001
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** It has reached extremes in odd later episodes, however they are almost always when Brian is dishing out as much vitriol towards Quagmire as he takes or is even genuinely screwing him over, making Quagmire's hatred of him far more provoked. Still he can still be rather outspoken and petty in his grudge against Brian.

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** It has reached extremes in odd later episodes, however they are almost always when Brian is dishing out as much vitriol towards Quagmire as he takes or is even genuinely screwing him over, making Quagmire's hatred of him far more provoked. Still he can still be rather outspoken and petty in his grudge against Brian.Brian, with a lot of their beefs with each other lampshaded as HypocriticalHumor.
3rd Jun '16 10:09:47 AM Dravencour
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* This is the premise of ''Webcomic/DarwinCarmichaelIsGoingToHell''. Because one mistake as a teenager caused irreversible brain damage to the baby Dalai Lama, he's wracked up more bad karma than a whole lifetime of being good and nice could ever compensate. As a result, he's his universe's [[TheChewtoy karmic chewtoy]] and his daily life consists of NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished. Even when he talks a suicidal man back to choosing life and holding on he gets berated for "going against God's will."

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* This is the premise of ''Webcomic/DarwinCarmichaelIsGoingToHell''. Because one mistake as a teenager caused irreversible brain damage to the baby Dalai Lama, he's wracked up more bad karma than a whole lifetime of being good and nice could ever compensate.compensate for. As a result, he's his universe's [[TheChewtoy karmic chewtoy]] and his daily life consists of NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished. Even when he talks a suicidal man back to choosing life and holding on he gets berated for "going against God's will."



** A great example of this is in Captain Hammer's introduction scene. Dr. Horrible is using his cellphone to remotely control a van.



* Zuko from around season 2 to the middle of season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', experiences this. Whenever he tries honestly to help people in general, it is usually twisted in some way to become worse. He also gave the page quote when he accidentally burned Toph's soles after she was the only one of the Gaang to stick up for him.

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* Prince Zuko from around season 2 to the middle of season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', experiences this. Whenever he tries honestly to help people in general, it is usually twisted in some way to become worse. He also gave the page quote when he accidentally burned Toph's soles after she was the only one of the Gaang to stick up for him.



** His return to evil seemed to have a LOT to do with finding out that the one woman he thought was looking beyond his unfortunate appearance and sinister past was only hanging around him as a prank. That she had begun to develop some genuine affection for him by the time he finds out about the "joke" just makes it all the more tragic.

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** His return to evil seemed to have a LOT to do with finding out that the one woman he thought was looking beyond his unfortunate appearance and sinister past was [[FalseFriend only hanging around him as a prank.prank]]. That she had begun to develop some genuine affection for him by the time he finds out about the "joke" just makes it all the more tragic.
5th Apr '16 6:30:07 AM Shadowgazer
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19th Dec '15 10:20:51 AM TheRichmaster
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* ''https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9396873/ The Art of Failure'' shows a possibility of why Jack Spicer [[{{Main/Determinator}} keeps on trying]] despite the fact that he never seems to win

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* ''https://www.''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9396873/ The Art of Failure'' Failure]]'' shows a possibility of why [[{{BeadyEyedLoser}} Jack Spicer Spicer]] [[{{Main/Determinator}} keeps on trying]] despite the fact that he never seems to win
19th Dec '15 10:09:21 AM TheRichmaster
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* ''https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9396873/ The Art of Failure'' shows a possibility of why Jack Spicer [[{{Main/Determinator}} keeps on trying]] despite the fact that he never seems to win


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* Jack Spicer in''WesternAnimation/XiaolinShowdown''. There have been times when Jack has tried to be good and even saved the heroes on multiple occasions but somehow it always goes wrong for him.
14th Oct '15 12:52:08 PM StFan
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* On the rare occasions that Team Rocket from ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' are acting good, the protagonists don't usually buy it, even if they were being sincere.
** Oddly, the weaker their disguise is when doing actual crime the more likely they are to fool Ash and friends. It seems they only really notice them out-of-uniform if they're doing anything other than evil.
** Team Rocket jumping to their death so Ash and Lugia live, and no one even mentioning it.
*** That was a ''weird'' example. At the end of the movie (they survived), they were complaining about how no one noticed their good deeds. Slowking then [[BreakingTheFourthWall broke the Fourth Wall]] when he told them that lots of people (the audience) knew what they did.

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* On the rare occasions that Team Rocket from ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' are acting good, the protagonists don't usually buy it, even if they were being sincere.
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sincere. Oddly, the weaker their disguise is when doing actual crime the more likely they are to fool Ash and friends. It seems they only really notice them out-of-uniform if they're doing anything other than evil.
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evil. Team Rocket jumping to their death so Ash and Lugia live, and no one no-one even mentioning it.
*** That was a ''weird'' example. At
it: at the end of the movie (they survived), they were are complaining about how no one no-one noticed their good deeds. Slowking then [[BreakingTheFourthWall broke the Fourth Wall]] when he told them that lots of people (the audience) knew what they did.



* The title character of the manga ''{{Ratman}}'' often fits this troop. Despite this "hero" working for a villainous organization. Especially towards a girl he likes.

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* The title character of the manga ''{{Ratman}}'' ''Manga/{{Ratman}}'' often fits this troop. Despite this "hero" working for a villainous organization. Especially towards a girl he likes.



* [[{{Magneto}} Magneto's]] origin story in some versions of the ComicBook/XMen comes from this. He survives the Holocaust and comes to view humanity as fundamentally intolerant to those different from themselves. Still tries to live a normal life. Then an [[TorchesAndPitchforks angry peasant mob]] kills his wife and one of his daughters. He therefore decides, upon realizing his mutant powers, to build a mutant empire.

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* [[{{Magneto}} Magneto's]] ComicBook/{{Magneto}}'s origin story in some versions of the ComicBook/XMen comes from this. He survives the Holocaust and comes to view humanity as fundamentally intolerant to those different from themselves. Still tries to live a normal life. Then an [[TorchesAndPitchforks angry peasant mob]] kills his wife and one of his daughters. He therefore decides, upon realizing his mutant powers, to build a mutant empire.



* Marv in ''SinCity''. Dwight says in a different era he would've been worshipped as a hero and had his choice of women. Instead ''everyone'' treats him as dumb muscle.

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* Marv in ''SinCity''.''ComicBook/SinCity''. Dwight says in a different era he would've been worshipped as a hero and had his choice of women. Instead ''everyone'' treats him as dumb muscle.



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* FanFic/DungeonKeeperAmi involves [[Anime/SailorMoon Sailor Mercury]] being forced to become a [[VideoGame/DungeonKeeper Keeper]]. It becomes almost impossible for her to convince the heroes of the land that she ''isn't'', in fact, evil.

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* FanFic/DungeonKeeperAmi ''Fanfic/DungeonKeeperAmi'' involves [[Anime/SailorMoon Sailor Mercury]] being forced to become a [[VideoGame/DungeonKeeper Keeper]]. It becomes almost impossible for her to convince the heroes of the land that she ''isn't'', in fact, evil.
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