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2nd Jun '18 3:55:31 AM Ultimatum
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While you may not need an understanding of any of the references to appreciate the concrete plot, how many people caught the City Lights bookstore (real one located in San Francisco) and its importance to the beat poetry movement, or that Re-L's name was listed as "124C41+" in a computer database, referencing early sci-fi novel Ralph 124C 41+ published 1925. Even RedShirt characters have names from obscure ancient religions.

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While you may not need an understanding of any of the references to appreciate the concrete plot, how many people caught the City Lights bookstore (real (a real one located in San Francisco) and its importance to the beat poetry movement, or that Re-L's name was listed as "124C41+" in a computer database, referencing early sci-fi novel Ralph ''Ralph 124C 41+ 41+'', published in 1925. Even RedShirt characters have names from obscure ancient religions.



** The ''ComicStrip/TheFarSide'' actually [[PeripheryDemographic became quite popular among academics]] for its [[ShownTheirWork realistic portrayal]] of the natural world, including a foreword in the 2nd Far Side Gallery by a PHD (specializing in slugs).

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** The ''ComicStrip/TheFarSide'' actually [[PeripheryDemographic became quite popular among academics]] for its [[ShownTheirWork realistic portrayal]] of the natural world, including a foreword in the 2nd Far Side Gallery by a PHD (specializing in slugs).



* The "A dance of Shadow and Light" series by [[https://www.fanfiction.net/u/3779251/Ocadioan Ocadioan]] is so ripe with historic, cultural, language and mathematical references and hints that, [[WordOfGod in the author's own words at the end of the series,]] "''if you had even noticed half of them, then you would not have been surprised by any of the events that happened in the story or the series as a whole.''". Examples of his ''easy'' Easter eggs include [[spoiler: noticing the reference to the Damocles of Syracuse , and specifically the Sword of Damocles, noticing the name behind Project Faust (yes, [[DealWithTheDevil THAT Faust]], and a small FaustianRebellion has already been done by then)]], or figuring out that [[spoiler: Mercury's ''[[AndIMustScream death]]'' coincides with him being [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything 666 years old]] and having [[SealedEvilInACan having his soul trapped at the Earth's core]]]].

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* The "A dance of Shadow and Light" series by [[https://www.fanfiction.net/u/3779251/Ocadioan Ocadioan]] is so ripe with historic, cultural, language and mathematical references and hints that, [[WordOfGod in the author's own words at the end of the series,]] "''if you had even noticed half of them, then you would not have been surprised by any of the events that happened in the story or the series as a whole.''". Examples of his ''easy'' Easter eggs include [[spoiler: noticing [[spoiler:noticing the reference to the Damocles of Syracuse , Syracuse, and specifically the Sword of Damocles, noticing the name behind Project Faust (yes, [[DealWithTheDevil THAT Faust]], and a small FaustianRebellion has already been done by then)]], or figuring out that [[spoiler: Mercury's ''[[AndIMustScream death]]'' coincides with him being [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything 666 years old]] and having [[SealedEvilInACan having his soul trapped at the Earth's core]]]].



* If you're not American, or even just a political apathetic American, you might have some difficulty understanding the basic plot in ''Film/TheIdesOfMarch'' as the way in US Presidential candidates are nominated is quite unique and unlike any other country's in the world. The basics of the process are largely glossed over and it's assumed the audience is already familiar.

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* If you're not American, or even just a political apathetic American, you might have some difficulty understanding the basic plot in ''Film/TheIdesOfMarch'' as the way in US Presidential candidates are nominated is quite unique and unlike any other country's in the world. The basics of the process are largely glossed over and it's assumed the audience is already familiar.familiar with them.



** Although it must be pointed out that objections to Joyce's ''Ulysses'' in its day had to do with its straightforward look at sex and not the density of allusions per se. Even then a lot of his references were common reading material. Like ''The Odyssey'' may not have been widely read by the general public but its hardly an obscure poem, nor is ''Hamlet'' for that matter. The Irish political references are very local but ItMakesSenseInContext.

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** Although it must be pointed out that objections to Joyce's ''Ulysses'' in its day had to do with its straightforward look at sex and not the density of allusions per se. Even then a lot of his references were common reading material. Like ''The Odyssey'' may not have been widely read by the general public but its it's hardly an obscure poem, nor is ''Hamlet'' for that matter. The Irish political references are very local but ItMakesSenseInContext.



* Even worse: Creator/ThomasPynchon's ''Literature/GravitysRainbow''. Even having the necessary knowledge in history, statistics, physics and linguistics to understand the background might not be enough to get through the MindScrew it is. Though the MindScrew might be the point since its about the unsolvable post-war industrial complex UsefulNotes/ColdWar that is too big for a single plot to encompass it.

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* Even worse: Creator/ThomasPynchon's ''Literature/GravitysRainbow''. Even having the necessary knowledge in history, statistics, physics and linguistics to understand the background might not be enough to get through the MindScrew it is. Though the MindScrew might be the point since its it's about the unsolvable post-war industrial complex UsefulNotes/ColdWar that is too big for a single plot to encompass it.



* Creator/PamelaDean's ''Literature/TheSecretCountry'' books hold your attention even if you don't know Shakespeare, Chaucer et al., but if you do, you'll discover greater dimension to the storyline and the characters.

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* Creator/PamelaDean's ''Literature/TheSecretCountry'' books hold your attention even if you don't know Shakespeare, Chaucer et al., but if you do, you'll discover greater dimension dimensions to the storyline and the characters.



* ''Literature/WitchellASymphony'' has a suggested listening selection for each chapter. A great deal of the foreshadowing is in the music and in the (musical) descriptions of the characters voices. For example, Tavin's older brother is suggested to be a unallied by associating him with the piano, which can be very low (evil) or very high (good). Tavin himself is associated with the cello, solidifying him as the protagonist.

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* ''Literature/WitchellASymphony'' has a suggested listening selection for each chapter. A great deal of the foreshadowing is in the music and in the (musical) descriptions of the characters characters' voices. For example, Tavin's older brother is suggested to be a unallied by associating him with the piano, which can be very low (evil) or very high (good). Tavin himself is associated with the cello, solidifying him as the protagonist.



* ''[[Literature/{{MARZENA}} The MARZENA Series]]'' itself is based on a non-fiction book called Outlast the Machine, which is about explaining in understandable English the most intricate mysteries of the brain, and which likely started as a master thesis that decided to switch to the dark side. Transhuman Ambrosia is very pointy on its knowledge of neuroscience, and even comes up with its own theories of how the brain works by measuring the levels of brain activity using glial cells (exchanging bananas for bananas), and goes at great length to explain what is consciousness, how the brain creates it, and how we could artificially replicate and harness that process. The amount of details is absolutely insane, and yet the book manages to keep things simplistic enough that you could just happily browse through it without realizing all the hidden scientific genius behind it.

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* ''[[Literature/{{MARZENA}} The MARZENA Series]]'' itself is based on a non-fiction book called Outlast ''Outlast the Machine, Machine'', which is about explaining in understandable English the most intricate mysteries of the brain, and which likely started as a master thesis that decided to switch to the dark side. Transhuman Ambrosia is very pointy on its knowledge of neuroscience, and even comes up with its own theories of how the brain works by measuring the levels of brain activity using glial cells (exchanging bananas for bananas), and goes at to great length to explain what is consciousness, how the brain creates it, and how we could artificially replicate and harness that process. The amount of details is absolutely insane, and yet the book manages to keep things simplistic enough that you could just happily browse through it without realizing all the hidden scientific genius behind it.



** ''Series/{{QI}}'' turns it on its ear. Not only do the viewers generally not know the right answer, it's fairly rare than any of the "contestants" have any idea what's going on, even after the answer is explained. But that's kind of the point. For a show about comedians (and the odd political figure) talking about whatever happens to cross their mind, the show is extremely smart. Creator/StephenFry is a certified genius to begin with, then adding in questions that question common knowledge ("How many moons does the Earth have?"[[note]]It's still one, but science at the time [[ScienceMarchesOn classified other small, wide-orbiting bodies as moons to Earth as well, giving us officially "2", then later "4", before being reclassified so we are back to one]][[/note]]), ''then'' the fact that the comedians are often specialized geniuses themselves.

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** ''Series/{{QI}}'' turns it on its ear. Not only do the viewers generally not know the right answer, it's fairly rare than that any of the "contestants" have any idea what's going on, even after the answer is explained. But that's kind of the point. For a show about comedians (and the odd political figure) talking about whatever happens to cross their mind, the show is extremely smart. Creator/StephenFry is a certified genius to begin with, then adding in questions that question common knowledge ("How many moons does the Earth have?"[[note]]It's still one, but science at the time [[ScienceMarchesOn classified other small, wide-orbiting bodies as moons to Earth as well, giving us officially "2", then later "4", before being reclassified so we are back to one]][[/note]]), ''then'' the fact that the comedians are often specialized geniuses themselves.



** ''Sunday In The Park With George'', despite its minimalist, Britten-like score, can still be enjoyed as a classic tale of an artist (Georges Seurat) who alienates his lover for the sake of his art. Until the end of Act I, at which point the action fast-forwards ''a whole century'' to focus on contemporary instillation artist George, great-grandson of the original. Repeated viewings help tease out the direct, micro- and macrocosmic parallels between the two Acts to make the whole work serve as a treatise on art and posterity.

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** ''Sunday In The Park With George'', despite its minimalist, Britten-like score, can still be enjoyed as a classic tale of an artist (Georges Seurat) who alienates his lover for the sake of his art. Until the end of Act I, at which point the action fast-forwards ''a whole century'' to focus on contemporary instillation installation artist George, great-grandson of the original. Repeated viewings help tease out the direct, micro- and macrocosmic parallels between the two Acts to make the whole work serve as a treatise on art and posterity.



* The ''VideoGame/{{Civilization}}'' series, especially the later games, generally require you to know the history of the civilization to get why they get certain benefits or why their AI act in certain ways. That's fine as many of the staple civilizations are very well known in the real world. It makes sense that America and Russia and expansionist and gets bonus to acquiring territory because both nations are among the largest in the globe by area. It also makes sense that Eygypt gets bonus to building wonders because it's famed for it's unique monuments. But then you get civilizations that are a bit obscure (Civ V featured the Songhia.). Understanding the AI leader's responses also requires knowing that particular leader's real life behavior or real life policies of the country. The Nuclear Ghandi meme is funny because it's based on a glitch making Ghandi more aggressive in the original game, but India is part of TheNuclearClub and has been one of the more nations that has been more aggressive with it's nuclear force in recent history.

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* The ''VideoGame/{{Civilization}}'' series, especially the later games, generally require you to know the history of the civilization to get why they get certain benefits or why their AI act in certain ways. That's fine as many of the staple civilizations are very well known in the real world. It makes sense that America and Russia and are expansionist and gets bonus to get bonuses for acquiring territory because both nations are among the largest in the globe by area. It also makes sense that Eygypt Egypt gets a bonus to for building wonders because it's famed for it's its unique monuments. But then you get civilizations that are a bit obscure (Civ V featured the Songhia.).Songhia). Understanding the AI leader's responses also requires knowing that particular leader's real life behavior or real life policies of the country. The Nuclear Ghandi Gandhi meme is funny because it's based on a glitch making Ghandi that makes Gandhi more aggressive in the original game, but India is part of TheNuclearClub and has been one of the more nations that has been more aggressive with it's its nuclear force in recent history.



* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' often assumes that its target audience is a lot more familiar with Asian languages, mythology and history than the average 9-years-old is likely to be. This is probably what makes it so popular with college kids.

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* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' often assumes that its target audience is a lot more familiar with Asian languages, mythology and history than the average 9-years-old 9-year-old is likely to be. This is probably what makes it so popular with college kids.
12th Apr '18 2:24:06 PM bkitu
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* The Chess-centric [=YouTube=] channel WebVideo/{{agadmator}} operates under the assumption that anyone watching chess analysis of their own free will is smart enough and well-versed enough in the game to understand some very esoteric chess jargon, and uses such with cheerful abandon.

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* The Chess-centric [=YouTube=] channel WebVideo/{{agadmator}} ''WebVideo/{{agadmator}}'' operates under the assumption that anyone watching chess analysis of their own free will is smart enough and well-versed enough in the game to understand some very esoteric chess jargon, and uses such with cheerful abandon.
12th Apr '18 2:20:32 PM bkitu
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* The Chess-centric [=YouTube=] channel WebVideo/{{agadmator}} operates under the assumption that anyone watching chess analysis of their own free will is smart enough and well-versed enough in the game to understand some very esoteric chess jargon, and uses such with cheerful abandon.
12th Mar '18 3:40:20 PM Malady
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* It feels weird sticking a fanservice manga/anime here, but ''Manga/IkkiTousen'', to some extent. The series seems to take for granted that all of its audience has some basic awareness of the historical characters it's portraying, which... for the most part, particularly in the West, they don't. It's made worse because those who ''do'' know the cast of ''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'', either by having read the story or by being fans of ''DynastyWarriors'', most likely know them by their original ''Chinese'' names, but everyone in-series uses the names from the ''Japanese'' translation, making it very easy to miss the connection between, say, Sonsaku Hakufu and her counterpart Sun Ce.

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* It feels weird sticking a fanservice manga/anime here, but ''Manga/IkkiTousen'', to some extent. The series seems to take for granted that all of its audience has some basic awareness of the historical characters it's portraying, which... for the most part, particularly in the West, they don't. It's made worse because those who ''do'' know the cast of ''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'', either by having read the story or by being fans of ''DynastyWarriors'', ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'', most likely know them by their original ''Chinese'' names, but everyone in-series uses the names from the ''Japanese'' translation, making it very easy to miss the connection between, say, Sonsaku Hakufu and her counterpart Sun Ce.
5th Mar '18 5:01:11 PM nombretomado
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* Many stage musicals with music and lyrics by Creator/StephenSondheim have this criticism levelled at them. Sondheim and his collaborators avoid pat sentimentality and create complex works of art -- perhaps a setback when many audience members are expecting ''Theatre/TheSoundOfMusic''. Just a few examples:

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* Many stage musicals with music and lyrics by Creator/StephenSondheim Music/StephenSondheim have this criticism levelled at them. Sondheim and his collaborators avoid pat sentimentality and create complex works of art -- perhaps a setback when many audience members are expecting ''Theatre/TheSoundOfMusic''. Just a few examples:
5th Mar '18 7:33:48 AM lukeskylicker
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* ''WebComic/PolandBall'' requires a thorough knowledge of vexillogy to even know who is suppose to be who. The jokes are based around the international relations of rather obscure countries as they are the more famous ones.



* ''WebComic/PolandBall'' requires a thorough knowledge of vexillogy to even know who is suppose to be who. The jokes are based around the international relations of rather obscure countries as they are the more famous ones.
3rd Mar '18 10:08:47 PM Furozen
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* Among the reasons that ''Series/PoliceSquad'' only lasted was season was that ABC thought it was guilty of this trope. According to ABC, the show required the viewer to pay too much attention in order to understand the humor. TV Guide called this "the most stupid reason a network ever gave for ending a series".

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* Among the reasons that ''Series/PoliceSquad'' only lasted was one season was that ABC thought it was guilty of this trope. According to ABC, the show required the viewer to pay too much attention in order to understand the humor. TV Guide called this "the most stupid reason a network ever gave for ending a series".
21st Feb '18 10:05:02 AM Scorpion451
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* Quite a bit of ''Series/{{Lost}}'''s reputation as an incomprehensible tangle is the result of people not catching on when an FreezeFrameBonus in Season 2 combines with an obscure science reference in season 3 and an unrelated conversation in season 4 to explain an event that happened in season 1. Given that this happens several times an episode, the result is a show revered by fans of complex storytelling that leaves the average viewer scratching their heads.
22nd Jan '18 12:21:51 PM eroock
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-->--'''Lt. Colonel Cameron Mitchell,''' ''Series/StargateSG1''

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-->--'''Lt.-->-- '''Lt. Colonel Cameron Mitchell,''' ''Series/StargateSG1''
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