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29th Mar '17 10:31:51 AM crazysamaritan
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** Likewise, [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]] is a big no-no to non-orc or caveman characters. As well as the karma hit, the game sneakily modifies your character with a hidden ability that turns all monsters in the game from 'unreasonably aggressive' to 'horrifying unappeasable zerg swarm'. Murder of a friendly human ([[WhatMeasureIsANonhuman and only a human]]) carries a large penalty including loss of intrinsic telepathy if you have it. And for the biggest sin of all, murdering a friendly human being and sacrificing them to your gods? ''Opens a portal to hell''. Ironically, this is a ''good'' thing if you're Chaotic -- then the demons summoned will be friendly, and there's a chance one of them might be a Boss from the end game, whom you now won't have to fight. TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything.

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** Likewise, [[ImAHumanitarian cannibalism]] is a big no-no to non-orc or caveman characters. As well as the karma hit, the game sneakily modifies your character with a hidden ability that turns all monsters in the game from 'unreasonably aggressive' to 'horrifying unappeasable zerg swarm'. Murder of a friendly human ([[WhatMeasureIsANonhuman and only a human]]) carries a large penalty including loss of intrinsic telepathy if you have it. And for the biggest sin of all, murdering a friendly human being and sacrificing them to your gods? ''Opens a portal to hell''. Ironically, this is a ''good'' thing if you're Chaotic -- then the demons summoned will be friendly, and there's a chance one of them might be a Boss from the end game, [[DevelopersForesight whom you now won't have to fight. TheDevTeamThinksOfEverything.fight]].
26th Mar '17 8:58:34 AM nombretomado
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* In the NintendoDS version of ''VideoGame/LegoBatman'', once you unlock Alfred as a character, he'll usually be peaceably standing around as an NPC in the batcave. You can attack him, but once you do, he'll come after you with a [[StealthPun bat]].

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* In the NintendoDS UsefulNotes/NintendoDS version of ''VideoGame/LegoBatman'', once you unlock Alfred as a character, he'll usually be peaceably standing around as an NPC in the batcave. You can attack him, but once you do, he'll come after you with a [[StealthPun bat]].
24th Mar '17 12:19:25 PM BeerBaron
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** ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' lets you kill any character in the game. However, killing anyone plot-relevant before you get your mission from them will make the game's main storyline impossible to complete.[[note]]Supposedly, anyway. You can still beat the game... assuming you [[GuideDangIt already know how]]. And the game does, at least, have the decency to tell you when you've rendered it unwinnable (or unwinnable without a strategy guide, at least.)[[/note]]
** ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' gives you to option of breaking the hearts of the many potential spouses. Once this is done, they'll never speak to you again. While this isn't too bad for some, for others (depending on who you wronged) it'll rob you of the option to sleep at an inn or buy from certain merchants. The worst, though, is if you did this to a follower; not only will they refuse to aid you anymore, they'll [[SoLongAndThanksForAllTheGear keep all the stuff you gave them]], including the [[InfinityMinusOneSword Dragon Masks]].
** All the games have a bounty system associated with crimes. You can do whatever you want, but if you get caught, you have to pay the consequences.
*** Zig-zagged in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall'': if you commit a crime in a town (murder, pickpocketing, theft, breaking/entering, assaulting a guard, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking accidentally clicking the "rest" button]]) the CityGuards will come after you in droves. However, you'll only be arrested and suffer the reputation drop if they manage to ''hit'' you, and dodging their attacks can actually be fairly easy; thus, although there are some harsh punishments for crimes (''literal years'' in prison for the worst offenses), you can easily become a KarmaHoudini who escapes all penalties. Even then, you'll only get thrown in prison if you get found guilty: if you have a high enough personality, speech skills, and reputation, you can plead your case in court and escape punishment, though you'll still suffer a reputation drop; and even these can be alleviated by [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere skipping the region]]. [[SaveScumming Or you could just load a previous save]].

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** ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' lets you kill any character in the game. However, killing anyone plot-relevant before you get your mission from them will make the game's main storyline impossible to complete.[[note]]Supposedly, anyway. You can still beat the game... assuming you [[GuideDangIt already know how]]. And the game does, at least, have the decency to tell you when you've rendered it unwinnable (or unwinnable without a strategy guide, at least.)[[/note]]
** ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' gives you to option of breaking the hearts of the many potential spouses. Once this is done, they'll never speak to you again. While this isn't too bad for some, for others (depending on who you wronged) it'll rob you of the option to sleep at an inn or buy from certain merchants. The worst, though, is if you did this to a follower; not only will they refuse to aid you anymore, they'll [[SoLongAndThanksForAllTheGear keep all the stuff you gave them]], including the [[InfinityMinusOneSword Dragon Masks]].
** All the games in the series have a bounty system associated with crimes. You can do whatever you want, but if you get caught, you have to pay the consequences.
*** ** Zig-zagged in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall'': ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'': if you commit a crime in a town (murder, pickpocketing, theft, breaking/entering, assaulting a guard, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking accidentally clicking the "rest" button]]) the CityGuards will come after you in droves. However, you'll only be arrested and suffer the reputation drop if they manage to ''hit'' you, and dodging their attacks can actually be fairly easy; thus, although there are some harsh punishments for crimes (''literal years'' in prison for the worst offenses), you can easily become a KarmaHoudini who escapes all penalties. Even then, you'll only get thrown in prison if you get found guilty: if you have a high enough personality, speech skills, and reputation, you can plead your case in court and escape punishment, though you'll still suffer a reputation drop; and even these can be alleviated by [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere skipping the region]]. [[SaveScumming Or you could just load a previous save]].save]].
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'':
*** You are free to kill anyone you want. However, if you kill anyone involved with a quest, you'll lose the opportunity to complete that quest. This includes the game's main quest, but at least there you'll get a pop-up message explaining how you've doomed the world and should restore a saved file.
*** A high-level [[AdventureGuild Fighter's Guild]] quest and a high-level [[MagicalSociety Mages Guild]] quest task you with killing off all the leaders of the ThievesGuild and [[TheMagocracy House Telvanni]], respectively. There are alternative quests available in each case that allow you to complete the faction questlines without wiping out the leadership of another faction. Should you choose the KillEmAll option though, you'll lose out on all of the quests and rewards offered by those factions.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'' gives you to option of breaking the hearts of the many potential spouses. Once this is done, they'll never speak to you again. While this isn't too bad for some, for others (depending on who you wronged) it'll rob you of the option to sleep at an inn or buy from certain merchants. The worst, though, is if you did this to a follower; not only will they refuse to aid you anymore, they'll [[SoLongAndThanksForAllTheGear keep all the stuff you gave them]], including the [[InfinityMinusOneSword Dragon Masks]].
19th Mar '17 7:44:19 PM TheKaizerreich
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* In the RaisingSim ''Teaching Feeling'', you are a doctor and one day, one of your former patients presents an owner-less slave girl to you and asks if you want to adopt her. He mentions you can use her however you wish, and if you decide to be a total bastard and rape her, she dies soon after. The game will comment in no uncertain terms on this.
15th Mar '17 7:56:25 PM Sonofstranger
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*** Zig-zagged in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall'': if you commit a crime in a town (murder, pickpocketing, theft, breaking/entering, assaulting a guard, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking accidentally clicking the "rest" button]]) the CityGuards will come after you in droves. However, you'll only be arrested and suffer the reputation drop if they manage to ''hit'' you, and dodging their attacks can actually be fairly easy; thus, although there are some harsh punishments for crimes (''literal years'' in prison for the worst offenses), you can easily become a KarmaHoudini who escapes all penalties. Even then, you'll only get thrown in prison if you get found guilty: if you have a high enough personality, speech skills, and reputation, you can plead your case in court and escape punishment, though you'll still suffer a reputation drop; and even these can be alleviated by [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere skipping the region]]. [[SaveScumming Or you could just load a previous save]].
13th Mar '17 5:03:53 PM CombativeBoil
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** A similar situation occurs late in the game [[spoiler:when the Flaming Fist turns on you after you're framed for murder. The game will not excuse you killing the Flaming Fist enforcers even in self-defense, forcing you to go underground into the sewers. The corrupt new leader of the Flaming Fist is fair game, however.]]
13th Mar '17 4:45:11 PM CombativeBoil
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** Additionally, in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', you're given the choice between curing the genophage for the Krogan, or giving into Salarian demands to sabotage the cure in order to secure the Krogan's loyalty by treachery. If Urdnot Wrex is alive in your playthrough, sabotaging the cure effectively becomes an act of backstabbing your own friend, and the game ensures that Wrex ''will'' catch on to your treachery and cross the DespairEventHorizon right before your eyes. If the considerably less sympathetic Urdnot Wreav is leading the Krogan, he does not discover your act of treachery since it's far more understandable in his case.

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** Additionally, in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', you're given the choice between curing the genophage for the Krogan, or giving into Salarian demands to sabotage the cure in order to secure the Krogan's loyalty by treachery.treacherous means. If Urdnot Wrex is alive in your playthrough, sabotaging the cure effectively becomes an act of backstabbing your own friend, and the game ensures that Wrex ''will'' catch on to your treachery and cross the DespairEventHorizon right before your eyes. If the considerably less sympathetic Urdnot Wreav is leading the Krogan, he does not discover your act of treachery since it's far more understandable understandable, and less cruel, in his case.
13th Mar '17 4:43:02 PM CombativeBoil
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** Additionally, in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', you're given the choice between curing the Genophage for the Krogan, or giving into Salarian demands to sabotage the cure in order to secure the Krogan's loyalty by treachery. If Urdnot Wrex is alive in your playthrough, sabotaging the cure effectively becomes an act of backstabbing your own friend, and the game ensures that Wrex ''will'' catch on to your treachery and cross the DespairEventHorizon right before your eyes.

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** Additionally, in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', you're given the choice between curing the Genophage genophage for the Krogan, or giving into Salarian demands to sabotage the cure in order to secure the Krogan's loyalty by treachery. If Urdnot Wrex is alive in your playthrough, sabotaging the cure effectively becomes an act of backstabbing your own friend, and the game ensures that Wrex ''will'' catch on to your treachery and cross the DespairEventHorizon right before your eyes. If the considerably less sympathetic Urdnot Wreav is leading the Krogan, he does not discover your act of treachery since it's far more understandable in his case.
13th Mar '17 4:41:14 PM CombativeBoil
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** In ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', you can choose to help either the [[KnightErrant Justicar]] Samara or her sociopathic [[BlackWidow Ardat-Yakshi]] daughter Morinth during their MexicanStandoff. Helping one means the other dies. If the player chooses Morinth, not only are they deprived of a war asset and one of the most poignant scenes in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', but they also have to fight Morinth during the game's final stage after she's been turned into a [[DemonicSpider banshee]] by the Reapers (and she makes no other appearances during the game). In addition, being a literal BlackWidow doesn't stop Morinth from trying to sleep with you in the second game, and [[TooDumbToLive if you do]], it goes [[DeathBySex exactly like]] [[NonStandardGameOver you'd expect]].

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** In ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', you can choose to help either the [[KnightErrant Justicar]] Samara or her sociopathic [[BlackWidow Ardat-Yakshi]] daughter Morinth during their MexicanStandoff. Helping one means the other dies. If the player chooses Morinth, she will be loyal for the rest of the game, but not only are they deprived of a war asset and one of the most poignant scenes in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', but they also have to fight Morinth during the game's final stage after she's been turned into a [[DemonicSpider banshee]] by the Reapers (and she makes no other onscreen appearances during the game). In addition, being a literal BlackWidow doesn't stop Morinth from trying to sleep with you in the second game, and [[TooDumbToLive if you do]], it goes [[DeathBySex exactly like]] [[NonStandardGameOver you'd expect]].expect]].
** Additionally, in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', you're given the choice between curing the Genophage for the Krogan, or giving into Salarian demands to sabotage the cure in order to secure the Krogan's loyalty by treachery. If Urdnot Wrex is alive in your playthrough, sabotaging the cure effectively becomes an act of backstabbing your own friend, and the game ensures that Wrex ''will'' catch on to your treachery and cross the DespairEventHorizon right before your eyes.
11th Mar '17 9:47:11 AM CerotechOmega
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At least, that's how it usually is. Sometimes, a game will allow you to be cruel, but will make sure that you get your comeuppance for doing so. Were you laughing gleefully while chaingunning your [[RedshirtArmy fellow soldiers]]? You probably won't be when the rest of them [[TheDogBitesBack turn against you]] and fill you with bullets. Were you butchering unarmed scientists who were [[PunchClockVillain just doing]] [[VideoGame/HalfLife their jobs?]] You may have been amused, but [[Film/JamesBond MI6]] wasn't -- [[NonstandardGameOver mission failed]]. Did you stab that passing InnocentBystander to death? Turns out he had critical information, and now [[UnwinnableByDesign you can't finish the game]]. Did you [[HaremSeeker romance all your possible love interests]]? They'll [[DumpThemAll dump you]]. Have you been [[WeHaveReserves carelessly marching your soldiers into certain doom]]? They're [[FinalDeath gone for good]], and now you're badly outnumbered and outgunned by the enemy.

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At least, that's how it usually is. Sometimes, a game will allow you to be cruel, but will make sure that you get your comeuppance for doing so. Were you laughing gleefully while chaingunning your [[RedshirtArmy fellow soldiers]]? You probably won't be when the rest of them [[TheDogBitesBack turn against you]] and fill you with bullets. Were you butchering unarmed scientists who were [[PunchClockVillain just doing]] [[VideoGame/HalfLife their jobs?]] You may have been amused, but [[Film/JamesBond MI6]] wasn't -- [[NonstandardGameOver mission failed]]. Did you stab that passing InnocentBystander to death? Turns out he had critical information, and now [[UnwinnableByDesign you can't finish the game]]. Did you [[HaremSeeker romance all your possible love interests]]? They'll [[DumpThemAll dump you]].you]], with or without [[WomanScorned bludgeoning you first]]. Have you been [[WeHaveReserves carelessly marching your soldiers into certain doom]]? They're [[FinalDeath gone for good]], and now you're badly outnumbered and outgunned by the enemy.
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