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22nd Mar '17 11:25:01 AM Willbyr
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26th Feb '17 9:23:11 AM eroock
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'''Vancian Magic''' is a specific sub-set of [[FunctionalMagic rule magic]] which conforms to these functional rules (and optionally whichever metaphysics the writer chooses):

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'''Vancian Magic''' Vancian Magic is a specific sub-set of [[FunctionalMagic rule magic]] which conforms to these functional rules (and optionally whichever metaphysics the writer chooses):
8th Jan '17 6:31:46 PM Goldfritha
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* ''Webcomic/RustyAndCo'': Another ''D&D'' parody. Lampshaded with a "VANCE!" UnsoundEffect for a Color Spray spell. Prestige underscores the problem late in the level when she lets loose a {{Fireball|s}}, resulting in the page-image seen above.

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* ''Webcomic/RustyAndCo'': Another ''D&D'' parody. Lampshaded with a "VANCE!" UnsoundEffect for [[http://rustyandco.com/comic/level-5-1/ a Color Spray spell.spell]]. Prestige underscores the problem late in the level when she lets loose a {{Fireball|s}}, resulting in the page-image seen above.
28th Dec '16 8:44:32 PM SantosLHalper
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* In [[http://yourplayersaidwhat.tumblr.com/post/133930221462/over-the-course-of-a-long-campaign-that-sent-young one story]] featured in the Website/{{Tumblr}} blog "Shit Your Players Say", a spellsword constantly wrote in a book for years during a ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' game and warned her allies to never open it. It turns out that she was writing explosive runes each of which doing 5d6 of force damage (6-30 points) in every available spell slot in there (100 slots totaling to an average of ''600,000d6 of force damage'') and used it to wipe out a third of the {{BigBad}}'s forces, punch a gateway into another plane of existence pulling in every psionic that uses that plane, creating living explosive spells that destroy everything in their way, and sent the surrounding area into ruin.

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* In [[http://yourplayersaidwhat.tumblr.com/post/133930221462/over-the-course-of-a-long-campaign-that-sent-young one story]] featured in the Website/{{Tumblr}} blog "Shit Your Players Say", a spellsword constantly wrote in a book for years during a ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' game and warned her allies to never open it. It turns out that she was writing explosive runes each of which doing 5d6 of force damage (6-30 points) in every available spell slot in there (100 (1200 slots totaling per page [there being 100 pages in the book] totalling to an average of ''600,000d6 of force damage'') and used it to wipe out a third of the {{BigBad}}'s forces, punch a gateway into another plane of existence pulling in every psionic that uses that plane, creating living explosive spells that destroy everything in their way, and sent the surrounding area into ruin.
24th Dec '16 10:59:10 AM SantosLHalper
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* In [[http://yourplayersaidwhat.tumblr.com/post/133930221462/over-the-course-of-a-long-campaign-that-sent-young one story]] featured in the Website/{{Tumblr}} blog "Shit Your Players Say", a spellsword constantly wrote in a book for years during a ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' game and warned her allies to never open it. It turns out that she was writing explosive runes each of which doing 5d6 of force damage (6-30 points) in every available spell slot in there (100 slots totaling to an average of ''600,000d6 of force damage'') and used it to wipe out a third of the {{BigBad}}'s forces, punch a gateway into another plane of existence pulling in every psionic that uses that plane, creating living explosive spell that destroy everything in their way, and sent the surrounding area into ruin.

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* In [[http://yourplayersaidwhat.tumblr.com/post/133930221462/over-the-course-of-a-long-campaign-that-sent-young one story]] featured in the Website/{{Tumblr}} blog "Shit Your Players Say", a spellsword constantly wrote in a book for years during a ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' game and warned her allies to never open it. It turns out that she was writing explosive runes each of which doing 5d6 of force damage (6-30 points) in every available spell slot in there (100 slots totaling to an average of ''600,000d6 of force damage'') and used it to wipe out a third of the {{BigBad}}'s forces, punch a gateway into another plane of existence pulling in every psionic that uses that plane, creating living explosive spell spells that destroy everything in their way, and sent the surrounding area into ruin.
19th Dec '16 7:06:11 AM Spindriver
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** Also, the whole idea of spells taking so much energy to prepare is now sometimes being passed with "well, it was the least competent wizard in the world claiming that". (This was in ''[[TabletopGame/DiscworldRolePlayingGame GURPS Discworld]]'', probably.)

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** Also, the whole idea of spells taking so much energy to prepare is now sometimes being passed over with "well, it was the least competent wizard in the world claiming that". (This was in ''[[TabletopGame/DiscworldRolePlayingGame GURPS Discworld]]'', probably.)that" or words to that effect.
12th Dec '16 10:42:48 PM LordInsane
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*** Oddly enough, the Arcanist class from the Advanced Class Guide does pretty much exactly what 5th Edition does (bonus points for being in-development at the same time as 5E was, so identical thought processes there). Being a hybrid of the Wizard and Sorcerer, the Arcanist still prepares spells like a Wizard, sorta. The "Sorta" comes from the fact that the Arcanist doesn't prepare his Spell Slots; instead, he prepares his SPELLS KNOWN. From there, the Arcanist can spam spells left and right just like a Sorcerer. An Arcanist with the Heighten Spell Metamagic Feat, therefore, can cast only MagicMissile all the live-long day, using every single daily Spell Slot available to him, just like 5th Edition. The fact that the Arcanist can learn Metamagic Feats for free via their Exploits just makes this nonsense all the easier.

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*** Oddly enough, the Arcanist class from the Advanced Class Guide does pretty much exactly what 5th Edition does (bonus points for being in-development at the same time as 5E was, so identical thought processes there). Being a hybrid of the Wizard and Sorcerer, the Arcanist still prepares spells like a Wizard, sorta. The "Sorta" comes from the fact that the Arcanist doesn't prepare his Spell Slots; instead, he prepares his SPELLS KNOWN. From there, the Arcanist can spam spells left and right just like a Sorcerer. An Arcanist with the Heighten Spell Metamagic Feat, therefore, can cast only MagicMissile all the live-long day, using every single daily Spell Slot available to him, just like 5th Edition. The fact that the Arcanist can learn Metamagic Feats for free via their Exploits just makes this nonsense all the easier. They also have a mana hybrid aspect like the Magus with their Arcane Reservoir class feature, a pool of magical energy that can be used to boost spells, produce spell-like magical effects (depending on your levelling choices) or for the standard arcanist power spells (at level 20, so not something that would come up in most campaigns).
11th Dec '16 7:44:33 AM Kakai
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* Hermeticists in ''Literature/TheTraitorSonCycle'' have to prepare their spells beforehand, and store it in their mind palaces (the spells can be passed between palaces, too). This being said, once a spell is prepared once, it's pretty easy to re-use it.
10th Dec '16 6:35:58 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Comics Scene'' #9, Chuck Dixon noted that he wrote magic users in his ConanTheBarbarian stories as having similarly restricted by stringent parameters for magic, with users required to make at times painful sacrifices and efforts.

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* In ''Comics Scene'' #9, Chuck Dixon noted that he wrote magic users in his ConanTheBarbarian ComicBook/ConanTheBarbarian stories as having similarly restricted by stringent parameters for magic, with users required to make at times painful sacrifices and efforts.
8th Oct '16 8:52:04 AM frogpatrol
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Vancian Magic is a specific form of "[[FunctionalMagic rule magic]]" that conforms to these functional rules (along with whatever other metaphysics the writer chooses):

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Vancian Magic '''Vancian Magic''' is a specific form sub-set of "[[FunctionalMagic [[FunctionalMagic rule magic]]" that magic]] which conforms to these functional rules (along with whatever other (and optionally whichever metaphysics the writer chooses):



# Spells represent a kind of "magic-bomb" which must be prepared in advance of actual use, and each prepared spell can be used only once before needing to be prepared again. That's why it is also known as "Fire & Forget magic."

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# Spells represent a kind of "magic-bomb" magic bomb which must be prepared in advance of actual use, and each prepared spell can be used only once before needing to be prepared again. That's why it is also known as "Fire & Forget magic."
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