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29th Sep '16 11:43:21 AM Gosicrystal
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* In ''VideoGame/ArcanumOfSteamworksAndMagickObscura'', the BigBad [[spoiler: Kerghan, first of the necromancers]], in a variation of this trope, has found definitve proof that the afterlife is eternal bliss, whereas life is pain and misery. He then concludes that everyone would be much happier there and would gladly die if they had seen what he's seen. Because of this he plans to kill every living thing in Arcanum, after which he will kill himself so everyone can enjoy the afterlife for the rest of eternity. One of your party members, who you, potentially, brought back from the dead, can even confirm that [[spoiler: Kerghan]]'s description of the afterlife is indeed accurate, but he still thinks that life is worth living.

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* In ''VideoGame/ArcanumOfSteamworksAndMagickObscura'', the BigBad [[spoiler: Kerghan, [[spoiler:Kerghan, first of the necromancers]], in a variation of this trope, has found definitve proof that the afterlife is eternal bliss, whereas life is pain and misery. He then concludes that everyone would be much happier there and would gladly die if they had seen what he's seen. Because of this he plans to kill every living thing in Arcanum, after which he will kill himself so everyone can enjoy the afterlife for the rest of eternity. One of your party members, who you, potentially, brought back from the dead, can even confirm that [[spoiler: Kerghan]]'s description of the afterlife is indeed accurate, but he still thinks that life is worth living.



* A theme of the ''Franchise/MetalGear'' series is "Outer Heaven", Big Boss' ideal of a world where soldiers would always have a place free from political manipulation; played almost straight in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' (where Liquid Snake takes up the mantle), reworked in ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 2|SonsOfLiberty}}'' (where Solidus' ideal is not soldiers but rather America/liberty), conceived in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPortableOps'' (Army's Heaven was a less-than-sincere idea but had the basic concept down), and then nastily subverted in ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 4|GunsOfThePatriots}}'', where war has become a business, the world a place where soldiers will 'always' be needed, but with none of the ideals behind Big Boss' vision.
** [[spoiler: By the end of 4, Big Boss shows up and accepts that his idea was wrong and the pursuit of it only led to more problems.]]

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* A theme of the ''Franchise/MetalGear'' series is "Outer Heaven", Big Boss' ideal of a world where soldiers would always have a place free from political manipulation; played almost straight in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' (where Liquid Snake takes up the mantle), reworked in ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 2|SonsOfLiberty}}'' (where Solidus' ideal is not soldiers but rather America/liberty), conceived in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPortableOps'' (Army's Heaven was a less-than-sincere idea but had the basic concept down), and then nastily subverted in ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 4|GunsOfThePatriots}}'', where war has become a business, the world a place where soldiers will 'always' be needed, but with none of the ideals behind Big Boss' vision.
** [[spoiler: By [[spoiler:By the end of 4, Big Boss shows up and accepts that his idea was wrong and the pursuit of it only led to more problems.]]






** Garrosh Hellscream desires what he repeatedly calls "MY WORLD." Due to his FantasticRacism, this basically amounts to "orcs and orcs only."

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** Garrosh Hellscream desires what he repeatedly calls "MY WORLD." WORLD". Due to his FantasticRacism, this basically amounts to "orcs and orcs only."only".


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* ''VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward'' has Free the Soul, a religious cult who wants to wipe out humanity in order to build their ideal world. This is fueled by the murder of the organization's leader's brother, Left, a tragedy that made him realize how horrible humans are. To fulfill their Utopia, Free the Soul released prior to the game's events a virus named Radical-6 that makes its victims commit suicide. 6 billion people (75% of world population) died as a result.\\\
However, in [[VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma the next installment]], Free the Soul's reason to annihilate humanity is {{retcon}}ned, and turns out the real motive to do so is [[spoiler:to prevent a religious fanatic from killing off ''the entirety of world population'' with nuclear weapons]]. The reasoning behind the release of Radical-6 is that [[spoiler:it has a 75% chance of killing the fanatic]]. The subject about Left's death is dropped in this game, and it calls into question the real designs of Free the Soul.
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19th Sep '16 1:24:35 PM Reign
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* In ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', [[EvilKnockoff Goku Black]] and [[spoiler:Zamasu]] believe mortals are scum and the universe would be better off without them. To reach these goals, Black proceeded to destroy Future Trunks's time far more than the Androids ''ever'' did.
15th Sep '16 8:18:03 AM Jake18
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* Generation 3 expands on this. [[spoiler:[[BigBad:Lord Ezelcant]] believes that the war will kill off the worst of humanity, making the human race as a whole more peaceful.]]

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* ** Generation 3 expands on this. [[spoiler:[[BigBad:Lord Ezelcant]] believes that the war will kill off the worst of humanity, making the human race as a whole more peaceful.]]
15th Sep '16 8:17:35 AM Jake18
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* Generation 3 expands on this. [[spoiler:[[BigBad:Lord Ezelcant]] believes that the war will kill off the worst of humanity, making the human race as a whole more peaceful.]]
12th Sep '16 5:02:45 PM romanticaveman
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* TEC-XX, the base-controlling AI of the villainous X-Nauts in ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'', debates this at one point with a captive Princess Peach, arguing that [[WorldHalfEmpty the world has problems]] and even with the deplorable methods of the X-Nauts, Sir Grodus's rule would end those problems. [[spoiler: Given that Grodus's plan was to awaken and enslave a thousand-year-old demon, it's debatable how much Grodus was lying to his underlings.]]
** Count Bleck from ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'' would fit this trope perfectly [[spoiler:if it didn't turn out that he was just a StrawNihilist instead, just wanting to destroy everything without recreating it and LYING about it by telling his minions that he was going to recreate the universe as a utopia.]] Dimentio from the same game, on the other hand, fits this perfectly, even [[spoiler:betraying Count Bleck to destroy the world and remake it himself when he finds out that Bleck is lying.]]



* Count Bleck from ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'' would fit this trope perfectly if it didn't turn out that [[spoiler:he was just a StrawNihilist instead, just wanting to destroy everything without recreating it and LYING about it by telling his minions that he was going to recreate the universe as a utopia.]] Dimentio from the same game, on the other hand, fits this perfectly, even [[spoiler:betraying Count Bleck to destroy the world and remake it himself when he finds out that Bleck is lying.]]

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* Count Bleck from ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'' would fit this trope perfectly if it didn't turn out that [[spoiler:he was just a StrawNihilist instead, just wanting to destroy everything without recreating it and LYING about it by telling his minions that he was going to recreate the universe as a utopia.]] Dimentio from the same game, on the other hand, fits this perfectly, even [[spoiler:betraying Count Bleck to destroy the world and remake it himself when he finds out that Bleck is lying.]]
11th Sep '16 9:48:35 AM Mudsaur
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* In ''Comicbook/{{Invincible}}'', [[spoiler:Robot]] decides that the best and ''only'' way to establish peace and prosperity on Earth [[spoiler:is to kill everyone who might oppose him -- preemptively. Which includes most of his ''own fellow superheroes''.]] The worst part is that [[spoiler:he succeeds, and everyone else more or less goes along with him after he wins since fighting him would just cause even more senseless death and destruction. As befitting much of Robert Kirkman's work in the Invincible comic series, it turns out that Robot's 'behind the curtain' takeover has actually yielded many positive results for the world. Including, but not limited to: eliminating various wars and conflicts around the globe, creating positive government re-organizations and progressions, practically ending crime on street and super-criminal levels, ending drug trade and wars, liberating North Korea from it's previous dictatorship and bringing necessary resources to its people, and expanding space programs. Even Mark admits, based on the results, that it's hard to argue that Robot has made a positive effect on the planet since his seizing control.]]

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* In ''Comicbook/{{Invincible}}'', [[spoiler:Robot]] decides that the best and ''only'' way to establish peace and prosperity on Earth [[spoiler:is to kill everyone who might oppose him -- preemptively. Which includes most of his ''own fellow superheroes''.]] The worst part is that [[spoiler:he succeeds, and everyone else more or less goes along with him after he wins since fighting him would just cause even more senseless death and destruction. As ]]
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befitting much of Robert Kirkman's work in the Invincible comic series, it turns out that Robot's 'behind the curtain' takeover has actually yielded many positive results for the world. Including, but not limited to: eliminating various wars and conflicts around the globe, creating positive government re-organizations and progressions, practically ending crime on street and super-criminal levels, ending drug trade and wars, liberating North Korea from it's previous dictatorship and bringing necessary resources to its people, and expanding space programs. Even Mark admits, based on the results, that it's hard to argue that Robot has made a positive effect on the planet since his seizing control.]]
11th Sep '16 9:47:21 AM Mudsaur
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* In ''Comicbook/{{Invincible}}'', [[spoiler:Robot]] decides that the best and ''only'' way to establish peace and prosperity on Earth [[spoiler:is to kill everyone who might oppose him -- preemptively. Which includes most of his ''own fellow superheroes''.]] The worst part is that [[spoiler:he succeeds, and everyone else more or less goes along with him after he wins since fighting him would just cause even more senseless death and destruction.]]

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* In ''Comicbook/{{Invincible}}'', [[spoiler:Robot]] decides that the best and ''only'' way to establish peace and prosperity on Earth [[spoiler:is to kill everyone who might oppose him -- preemptively. Which includes most of his ''own fellow superheroes''.]] The worst part is that [[spoiler:he succeeds, and everyone else more or less goes along with him after he wins since fighting him would just cause even more senseless death and destruction. As befitting much of Robert Kirkman's work in the Invincible comic series, it turns out that Robot's 'behind the curtain' takeover has actually yielded many positive results for the world. Including, but not limited to: eliminating various wars and conflicts around the globe, creating positive government re-organizations and progressions, practically ending crime on street and super-criminal levels, ending drug trade and wars, liberating North Korea from it's previous dictatorship and bringing necessary resources to its people, and expanding space programs. Even Mark admits, based on the results, that it's hard to argue that Robot has made a positive effect on the planet since his seizing control.]]
23rd Aug '16 12:01:08 AM Nicoaln
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* Denam in ''VideoGame/TacticsOgreLetUsClingTogether'' can be this - if he takes the lawful decision at the end of chapter one, he will decide to commit a FalseFlagOperation as per the orders of Duke Ronwey.

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* Denam in ''VideoGame/TacticsOgreLetUsClingTogether'' ''VideoGame/TacticsOgre'' can be this - if he takes the lawful decision at the end of chapter one, he will decide to commit a FalseFlagOperation as per the orders of Duke Ronwey. Heck, Duke Ronwey himself is this - he decides that a FalseFlagOperation is a good idea to unite the Wallister.
22nd Aug '16 11:57:54 PM Nicoaln
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* Denam in ''VideoGame/TacticsOgreLetUsClingTogether'' can be this - if he takes the lawful decision at the end of chapter one, he will decide to commit a FalseFlagOperation as per the orders of Duke Ronwey.
14th Aug '16 11:33:48 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* The bonus material for ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'' describe the Flood as a theoretical utopia, where, if everybody joined the Flood, there would be no more violence, war, poverty, hatred, etc. Unfortunately, the means by which it does this is by assimilating all life and rendering them into [[ZombieApocalypse zombie-like creatures]].

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* The bonus material for ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'' describe the ''Franchise/{{Halo}}''[='s=] Flood as a theoretical utopia, where, if everybody joined the Flood, there would be no more violence, war, poverty, hatred, etc. Unfortunately, the means by which it does this is by assimilating all life and rendering them into [[ZombieApocalypse zombie-like creatures]].
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