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23rd Jun '18 3:53:13 AM Anddrix
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** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', [[Characters/MCULoki Loki]] states his plans to [[TakeOverTheWorld rule]] [[FantasticRacism these petty humans]] and thereby alleviate war and suffering.

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** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', [[Characters/MCULoki Loki]] Loki states his plans to [[TakeOverTheWorld rule]] [[FantasticRacism these petty humans]] and thereby alleviate war and suffering.



** In ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', [[Characters/MCUThanos Thanos]] intends to kill out half the universe to solve the problem of limited resources and overpopulation. [[spoiler:He succeeds horribly.]]

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** In ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', [[Characters/MCUThanos Thanos]] Thanos intends to kill out half the universe to solve the problem of limited resources and overpopulation. [[spoiler:He succeeds horribly.]]
16th Jun '18 2:59:29 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Subverted in ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauTheOtherSideOfTheSpectrum''. The "utopia" the Solar Empire is trying to create is nothing but a farce, as Equestria is clearly falling into disorder, and the converted humans (newfoals) are little more than brainwashed robots, but the subversion is [[spoiler:TCB!Celestia doesn't really believe in her goals, and has been brainwashed into carrying out these heinous acts by the [[ArtifactOfDoom Bag of]] [[BiggerBad Tirek]], in its quest to [[DisproportionateRetribution destroy humanity]]]]. One particular villain [[KnownOnlyByTheirNickname known only as "Weaver"]] however, fully believes in this, and she has killed a lot of people in her pursuit of this goal.

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** Subverted in ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauTheOtherSideOfTheSpectrum''. The "utopia" the Solar Empire is trying to create is nothing but a farce, as Equestria is clearly falling into disorder, and the converted humans (newfoals) are little more than brainwashed robots, but the subversion is [[spoiler:TCB!Celestia doesn't really believe in her goals, and has been brainwashed into carrying out these heinous acts by the [[ArtifactOfDoom Bag of]] [[BiggerBad of Tirek]], in its quest to [[DisproportionateRetribution destroy humanity]]]].humanity]]. One particular villain [[KnownOnlyByTheirNickname known only as "Weaver"]] however, fully believes in this, and she has killed a lot of people in her pursuit of this goal.
11th Jun '18 8:32:45 PM RaphBlade7
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* In ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', [[EvilKnockoff Goku Black]] and [[spoiler:Zamasu]] believe mortals are scum and the universe would be better off without them. To reach these goals, Black proceeded to destroy Future Trunks's time far more than the Androids ''ever'' did. They even resort to killing the remain Kais and Supreme Kai of the future multiverse with the Gods of Destruction dying as a result of their universe Supreme Kais being killed (save for Universe 7 who had perished previously during that timeline's Majin Buu conflict) leaving Goku Black, [[spoiler:Zamasu]], and the [[spoiler:almighty Future Zeno]] the only remaining gods in that timeline allowing Black and his partner to eliminate mortals as they see fit [[spoiler:(at least until Goku Black and Zamasu fused and their fusion was erased along with the future multiverse Future Zeno)]].

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* In ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', [[EvilKnockoff Goku Black]] and [[spoiler:Zamasu]] believe mortals are scum and the universe would be better off without them. To reach these goals, Black proceeded to destroy Future Trunks's time far more than the Androids ''ever'' did. They even resort to killing the remain Kais and Supreme Kai of the future multiverse with the Gods of Destruction dying as a result of their universe Supreme Kais being killed (save for Universe 7 who had perished previously during that timeline's Majin Buu conflict) leaving Goku Black, [[spoiler:Zamasu]], and the [[spoiler:almighty Future Zeno]] the only remaining gods in that timeline allowing Black and his partner to eliminate mortals as they see fit [[spoiler:(at least until Goku Black and Zamasu fused and their fusion was erased along with the future multiverse by Future Zeno)]].
11th Jun '18 8:31:19 PM RaphBlade7
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* In ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', [[EvilKnockoff Goku Black]] and [[spoiler:Zamasu]] believe mortals are scum and the universe would be better off without them. To reach these goals, Black proceeded to destroy Future Trunks's time far more than the Androids ''ever'' did.

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* In ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', [[EvilKnockoff Goku Black]] and [[spoiler:Zamasu]] believe mortals are scum and the universe would be better off without them. To reach these goals, Black proceeded to destroy Future Trunks's time far more than the Androids ''ever'' did. They even resort to killing the remain Kais and Supreme Kai of the future multiverse with the Gods of Destruction dying as a result of their universe Supreme Kais being killed (save for Universe 7 who had perished previously during that timeline's Majin Buu conflict) leaving Goku Black, [[spoiler:Zamasu]], and the [[spoiler:almighty Future Zeno]] the only remaining gods in that timeline allowing Black and his partner to eliminate mortals as they see fit [[spoiler:(at least until Goku Black and Zamasu fused and their fusion was erased along with the future multiverse Future Zeno)]].
4th Jun '18 1:24:30 PM Chabal2
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* ''Manga/Overlord2012'': Ainz accidentally causes his minions to think he wants them to TakeOverTheWorld. Once he realizes this, it's too late to go back, so he establishes himself as the ruler of a necrocracy where all species can live together in peace. Of course, in order to do that he had to use a spell that murderer several thousand people and summoned Lovecraftian monsters from their corpses but it seems to have worked, in the sense that absolutely no one who knows what he's capable of will try to fuck with his country.



* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Fantasy'' has much the same. [[DarkMessiah Archaon]] believes that the triumph of Chaos will save the world from corruption, and some of TheUndead commanders are trying to turn the entire world into undead because Chaos can't feed off of them like they do the living. And the Lizardmen want to restore the world to the layout of the [[NeglectfulPrecursors Old Ones]], regardless of the population migration that's occurred since they disappeared.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Fantasy'' has much the same. [[DarkMessiah Archaon]] believes that the triumph of Chaos will save the world from corruption, and some of TheUndead commanders are trying to turn the entire world into undead because Chaos can't feed off of them like they do the living. The von Carstein plan for defeating Chaos once and for all is to zombify everyone on the planet, thus starving the Chaos Gods of their victims, believers and sustenance. And the Lizardmen want to restore the world to the layout of the [[NeglectfulPrecursors Old Ones]], regardless of the population migration that's occurred since they disappeared.
23rd May '18 1:34:07 PM MasterN
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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' has [[spoiler:Kyubey]], who states that its goal is to prolong the lifespan of the universe by [[spoiler:collecting the thermodynamic energy-defying power of emotions from humans. And by humans, it means young girls in their early to mid-teens (who are generally, as a group, the most dramatic little wellsprings of emotion the human race has to offer).]] This process collects excess energy, which is somehow contributed toward the entire universe in order to stave off its eventual heat death, allowing more time for different alien races to meet one another among the stars. (Actual thermodynamics theory makes this goal seem very poorly thought out, but then again, this is a show about {{Magical Girl}}s so we weren't expecting a whole lot of realism anyway.)

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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' has [[spoiler:Kyubey]], who states that its goal is to prolong [[spoiler:prolong the lifespan of the universe universe]] by [[spoiler:collecting the thermodynamic energy-defying power of emotions from humans. And by humans, it means young girls in their early to mid-teens (who are generally, as a group, the most dramatic little wellsprings of emotion the human race has to offer).]] This process collects excess energy, which is somehow contributed toward the entire universe in order to stave off its eventual heat death, allowing more time for different alien races to meet one another among the stars. (Actual thermodynamics theory makes this goal seem very poorly thought out, but then again, this is a show about {{Magical Girl}}s so we weren't expecting a whole lot of realism anyway.))]]
11th May '18 3:38:16 PM luciagarcia8818
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** [[spoiler:Zig-Zagged with [[AssimilationPlot "The Moon's Eye Plan"]] whose aim dive all people in eternal Genjutsu in order to reach peace in the world. [[BigBadDuumvirate Madara and Obito]] really want to bring peace to the world and [[WellIntentionedExtremist thinks that their plan is the only way it can happen]]. But at the same time as they want bring peace they also doing it for their own selfish purposes: Madara more concerned to implement the plan independently since thinks that '''[[ItsAllAboutMe only he]]''' is worthy to guide all of people in the infinite illusion. At the same time as Obito wants to create his ideal world where [[TheLostLenore Rin]] and the other his teammates are alive so that [[IRejectYourReality he could escape from reality.]]]]

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** [[spoiler:Zig-Zagged with [[AssimilationPlot "The Moon's Eye Plan"]] whose aim dive is to plunge all people in an eternal Genjutsu in order to reach peace in the world. [[BigBadDuumvirate Madara and Obito]] really want to bring peace to the world and [[WellIntentionedExtremist thinks think that their plan is the only way it can happen]]. But at the same time as they want to bring peace they are also doing it for their own selfish purposes: Madara is more concerned to implement in implementing the plan independently since he thinks that '''[[ItsAllAboutMe only he]]''' is worthy to guide of guiding all of people in the infinite illusion. At the same time as Obito wants to create his ideal world where [[TheLostLenore Rin]] and the his other his teammates are alive so that [[IRejectYourReality he could escape from reality.]]]]
4th May '18 11:48:42 PM Asherinka
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** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', [[BigBad Loki]] states his plans to [[TakeOverTheWorld rule]] [[FantasticRacism these petty humans]] and thereby alleviate war and suffering.

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** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', [[BigBad [[Characters/MCULoki Loki]] states his plans to [[TakeOverTheWorld rule]] [[FantasticRacism these petty humans]] and thereby alleviate war and suffering.


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** In ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'', [[Characters/MCUThanos Thanos]] intends to kill out half the universe to solve the problem of limited resources and overpopulation. [[spoiler:He succeeds horribly.]]
7th Apr '18 3:33:34 PM gb00393
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* Heroic example on ''Series/GameOfThrones''. When [[HeroicBastard Jon Snow]] asks [[DragonRider Daenerys]] about the people she burned with her dragon during the battle she just returned from, she asks how many people Jon killed in order to take Winterfell back from the Boltons (the answer, incidentally, is "Thousands"). Daenerys is fairly convinced that in order to "[[ArcWords break the wheel]]," she needs to invoke JoinOrDie on the people of Westeros. {{Downplayed}}, [[TheGoodChancellor Tyrion]] and [[TheSpymaster Varys]] have no issue with the world she is trying to build (they stand to benefit greatly from her utopia), and for the most part they're able to restrain Daenerys' more KnightTemplar impulses. After [[spoiler:Viserion is killed by the White Walkers, she mostly drops this in favor of an EnemyMine with Jon and Cersei. Existential threats are a bit more pressing than building utopia, after all.]]

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
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Heroic example on ''Series/GameOfThrones''.example. When [[HeroicBastard Jon Snow]] asks [[DragonRider Daenerys]] about the people she burned with her dragon during the battle she just returned from, she asks how many people Jon killed in order to take Winterfell back from the Boltons (the answer, incidentally, is "Thousands"). Daenerys is fairly convinced that in order to "[[ArcWords break the wheel]]," she needs to invoke JoinOrDie on the people of Westeros. {{Downplayed}}, [[TheGoodChancellor Tyrion]] and [[TheSpymaster Varys]] have no issue with the world she is trying to build (they stand to benefit greatly from her utopia), and for the most part they're able to restrain Daenerys' more KnightTemplar impulses. After [[spoiler:Viserion is killed by the White Walkers, she mostly drops this in favor of an EnemyMine with Jon and Cersei. Existential threats are a bit more pressing than building utopia, after all.]]]]
** Whatever Varys does, is for the good of the realm. Whether that means supporting and funding the exiled lunatic Prince Viserys Targaryen, selling his sister Dany to the Dothraki, and arranging a Dothraki invasion into Westeros and even sending an assassin to kill Dany to trigger an international incident, it's all for the good of the realm, eventually.
6th Apr '18 6:47:55 AM erforce
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* In ''Film/SherlockHolmes,'' Blackwood's ultimate goal is to seize control of the British Empire and rule it through fear. [[spoiler:Lord Coward,]] one of the politicians who supports his coup, claims that Blackwood will be a strong shepherd for the weak masses.

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* In ''Film/SherlockHolmes,'' ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009,'' Blackwood's ultimate goal is to seize control of the British Empire and rule it through fear. [[spoiler:Lord Coward,]] one of the politicians who supports his coup, claims that Blackwood will be a strong shepherd for the weak masses.
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