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8th Feb '16 7:16:20 AM ZarbiNerada
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* ''Literature/TheTurnerDiaries'' (written by a Neo Nazi) has protagonists who want to take what they consider a CrapsackWorld (one with private ownership of guns outlawed, minorities having rights and "oppressing" the pure, white people), and they plan to replace that [[VillainWorld with a world that has everyone but the white people dead and the only survivors will be fanatical white supremacists]], but only after [[CrapsackWorld they use nuclear, chemical and biological weapons to kill everyone else they don't like, even if it means rendering most of the world uninhabitable.]]
7th Feb '16 2:02:54 PM nombretomado
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* TheKnightsTemplar in ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedI'' and ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII'' plan to [[spoiler:control the world using LostTechnology from [[{{Precursors}} Those Who Came Before]]. Vidic, lamenting how people in [[TheCrusades 1191]] are no different in manner from the people of [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture 2012]], says that the world needs a sense of order, [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill even if it means giving up freedom]].]]
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* TheKnightsTemplar in ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedI'' and ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedIII'' plan to [[spoiler:control the world using LostTechnology from [[{{Precursors}} Those Who Came Before]]. Vidic, lamenting how people in [[TheCrusades [[UsefulNotes/TheCrusades 1191]] are no different in manner from the people of [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture 2012]], says that the world needs a sense of order, [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill even if it means giving up freedom]].]]
29th Jan '16 6:15:05 AM Shadowgazer
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* The One Ring in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' offers everyone who comes near it a vision of a world bowing to them as a great and mighty lord. The hobbits are able to resist its effects solely [[WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway due to their humility]]. Admittedly, if you were smaller than even your average ''dwarf'', you would probably find it hard to see yourself as some kind of Evil Overlord as well.
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* The One Ring in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' offers everyone who comes near it a vision of a world bowing to them as a great and mighty lord. The lord (not necessarily an Utopian though). Most hobbits are able to resist its effects solely [[WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway due to their humility]]. Admittedly, if you were smaller than even your average ''dwarf'', you would probably find it hard to see yourself as some kind of Evil Overlord as well. And even then the extent of the Ring's influence varies from Hobbit to Hobbit...

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* The ** Gandalf warns specifically against using the One Ring in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' offers everyone who comes near it a vision of a world bowing to them as a great fight Sauron and mighty lord. The hobbits are able make a better world. Because it was made with all of Sauron's greed, malice and desire to resist corrupt and control it takes all selfish aspects of its effects solely [[WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway due to their humility]]. Admittedly, if you were smaller than Bearer and amplifies them, twisting even your average ''dwarf'', you would probably find it hard to see yourself as some kind of Evil Overlord as well.good desires into pride and despotism.
26th Jan '16 2:06:49 AM Anddrix
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* David from ''Literature/{{Allegiant}}''. [[spoiler:All he wants is for humanity to return back to their natural state, which is done by having more genetically pure children born from genetically damaged families inside the walled cities. Yet he's willing to take away the free will of ''hundreds and thousands of people'', '''many times over''', just to achieve it]].
29th Dec '15 1:55:37 PM Anddrix
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* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'''s AlternateUniverse equivalents, the Justice Lords, did this to their world, taking over and imposing a metahuman-run utopia/dystopia. Most of the ends seem well worth the means, especially [[spoiler:violating SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor's JokerImmunity and lobotomizing {{omnicidal maniac}}s]], but the group quickly [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope leaped off the slippery slope]] by getting rid of the right to vote or speak freely while arresting individuals for threatening to not pay for food. On the other hand, their world has no rape, murder, arson, or even ''litter.'' Unusually, this is one of the more even-handed examples, with both "Utopia" and "the means to it" being shown in fair measure. Fans of the show were left to wonder if, in a world where every prison's a CardboardPrison, the Justice Lords might have had a point, and the Batmen even debate on it in the middle of the episode.[[note]]Notably, Good Guy Batman doesn't have a response when Bad Guy Batman points out that Thomas and Martha Wayne would still have been alive if the world was run this way back then. Later, Good Guy Batman sarcastically says that they would love living here, and prompts a HeelFaceTurn.[[/note]]
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* ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'''s AlternateUniverse equivalents, the Justice Lords, did this to their world, taking over and imposing a metahuman-run utopia/dystopia. Most of the ends seem well worth the means, especially [[spoiler:violating SelfDemonstrating/LexLuthor's ComicBook/LexLuthor's JokerImmunity and lobotomizing {{omnicidal maniac}}s]], but the group quickly [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope leaped off the slippery slope]] by getting rid of the right to vote or speak freely while arresting individuals for threatening to not pay for food. On the other hand, their world has no rape, murder, arson, or even ''litter.'' Unusually, this is one of the more even-handed examples, with both "Utopia" and "the means to it" being shown in fair measure. Fans of the show were left to wonder if, in a world where every prison's a CardboardPrison, the Justice Lords might have had a point, and the Batmen even debate on it in the middle of the episode.[[note]]Notably, Good Guy Batman doesn't have a response when Bad Guy Batman points out that Thomas and Martha Wayne would still have been alive if the world was run this way back then. Later, Good Guy Batman sarcastically says that they would love living here, and prompts a HeelFaceTurn.[[/note]]
29th Dec '15 4:20:54 AM Anddrix
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* Some comics suggest (and, in at least one case, demonstrate) that allowing SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom to conquer the Earth will result in a utopia. Doom's a despot and a tyrant at the best of times, and another consequence of Dr. Doom taking over the Earth is the complete eradication of any kind of free will and immediate and total subservience to Doom's wishes, so this may not be as great as it seems.
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* Some comics suggest (and, in at least one case, demonstrate) that allowing SelfDemonstrating/DoctorDoom Doctor Doom to conquer the Earth will result in a utopia. Doom's a despot and a tyrant at the best of times, and another consequence of Dr. Doom taking over the Earth is the complete eradication of any kind of free will and immediate and total subservience to Doom's wishes, so this may not be as great as it seems.
13th Dec '15 7:15:29 PM nombretomado
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* A prime candidate for this trope: SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} from the ''ComicBook/{{X-Men}}'' comics, [[WesternAnimation/{{X-Men}} animated series]], and [[Film/{{X-Men}} movies]], who is sometimes willing to kill all "normals" to create a utopia for the mutants. ** A few Franchise/{{X-Men}} villains have tried to resolve the humans vs. mutants debate once and for all by either forcibly removing mutant powers altogether and making everyone a baseline human, or by forcibly imbuing everyone with mutant powers and turning everyone into mutants. Neither the mutants nor the baseline humans who would be affected tend to be given any say in the matter.
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* A prime candidate for this trope: SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}} from the ''ComicBook/{{X-Men}}'' ''ComicBook/XMen'' comics, [[WesternAnimation/{{X-Men}} [[WesternAnimation/XMen animated series]], and [[Film/{{X-Men}} [[Film/XMen movies]], who is sometimes willing to kill all "normals" to create a utopia for the mutants. ** A few Franchise/{{X-Men}} Franchise/XMen villains have tried to resolve the humans vs. mutants debate once and for all by either forcibly removing mutant powers altogether and making everyone a baseline human, or by forcibly imbuing everyone with mutant powers and turning everyone into mutants. Neither the mutants nor the baseline humans who would be affected tend to be given any say in the matter.
5th Dec '15 3:48:36 PM NozzDogg
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* ''TabletopGame/RocketAge'''s Henry Ford is convinced his Venus colony Newfordlandia is a utopia. The workers, who are essentially well cared for wage slaves disagree, with no real money, only store credit, only company Courtesans for company and no chance of escaping the colony. The company's Julandri Courtesans were apparently purchased by Ford to ensure the men weren't distracted by romance and no-one seems to be certain how happy they're with this arrangement either.
4th Dec '15 9:31:27 AM erforce
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** In ''Film/TheAvengers'', [[BigBad Loki]] states his plans to [[TakeOverTheWorld rule]] [[FantasticRacism these petty humans]] and thereby alleviate war and suffering.
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** In ''Film/TheAvengers'', ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', [[BigBad Loki]] states his plans to [[TakeOverTheWorld rule]] [[FantasticRacism these petty humans]] and thereby alleviate war and suffering.

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25th Nov '15 9:25:47 PM Meltemi
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* In the short story [[http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=1559220 "Join Our Gang"]] the Sirian Combine is ''going'' to have a peaceful and economically flourishing galaxy -and if your planet doesn't agree to play nice and sign up, they'll use their incredible knowledge of biological and genetic engineering to ''make'' you agree. [[spoiler:''One'' of the things they do is increase birthrate in animals. They did this to, among others, ''rats'' on Earth, and two generations later borrowed the great white shark to bring another planet to heel.]]
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* In the short story [[http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=1559220 org/ebooks/29987 "Join Our Gang"]] the Sirian Combine is ''going'' to have a peaceful and economically flourishing galaxy -and if your planet doesn't agree to play nice and sign up, they'll use their incredible knowledge of biological and genetic engineering to ''make'' you agree. [[spoiler:''One'' of the things they do is increase birthrate in animals. They did this to, among others, ''rats'' on Earth, and two generations later borrowed the great white shark to bring another planet to heel.]]

** Come [[BorderlandsThePreSqueal before the events of Borderlands], and there's some reason why he's deeming the Vault Hunters are evil, but it's due to revenge.
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** Come [[BorderlandsThePreSqueal [[VideoGame/{{BorderlandsThePreSequel}} before the events of Borderlands], Borderlands]], and there's some reason why he's deeming the Vault Hunters are evil, but it's due to revenge.
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