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11th Apr '16 6:41:13 AM bificommander
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Of course, when any enemy possesses such spells, [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard they will invariably be effective when used on you]], unless you happen to be wearing a type of armor that protects against such attacks or status effects. Even if the computer plays fair, a spell may still end up this way. The expendable hordes of enemy {{NPCs}} don't need to worry about exposing themselves to danger or wasting resources if the spell fails, and [[EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce they only need the spell to work once to give the player a Game Over]]. In many cases, this explains the presence of the spell; it's not so useful in the player's hands, but when the enemy uses it against the party, it's a significant threat.

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Of course, when any enemy possesses such spells, [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard they will invariably be effective when used on you]], unless you happen to be wearing a type of armor that protects against such attacks or status effects. Even if the computer plays fair, a spell may still end up this way. The expendable hordes of enemy {{NPCs}} [=NPCs=] don't need to worry about exposing themselves to danger or wasting resources if the spell fails, and [[EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce they only need the spell to work once to give the player a Game Over]]. In many cases, this explains the presence of the spell; it's not so useful in the player's hands, but when the enemy uses it against the party, it's a significant threat.
11th Apr '16 6:39:14 AM bificommander
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Of course, when any enemy possesses such spells, [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard they will invariably be effective when used on you]], unless you happen to be wearing a type of armor that protects against such attacks or status effects. Even if the computer plays fair, a spell may still end up this way, because the hordes of enemy NPCs don't need to worry about exposing themselves to danger or wasting resources, and EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce. For instance a spell that has an effective 30% chance of killing your target but a 70% of screwing yourself would be a terrible deal for players but devastating in the hands of the enemy. In many cases, this explains the presence of the spell; it's not so useful in the player's hands, but when the enemy uses it against the party, it's a significant threat.

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Of course, when any enemy possesses such spells, [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard they will invariably be effective when used on you]], unless you happen to be wearing a type of armor that protects against such attacks or status effects. Even if the computer plays fair, a spell may still end up this way, because the way. The expendable hordes of enemy NPCs {{NPCs}} don't need to worry about exposing themselves to danger or wasting resources, and EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce. For instance a resources if the spell that has an effective 30% chance of killing your target but a 70% of screwing yourself would be a terrible deal for players but devastating in fails, and [[EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce they only need the hands of spell to work once to give the enemy.player a Game Over]]. In many cases, this explains the presence of the spell; it's not so useful in the player's hands, but when the enemy uses it against the party, it's a significant threat.
11th Apr '16 6:36:44 AM bificommander
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Of course, when any enemy possesses such spells, [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard they will invariably be effective when used on you]], unless you happen to be wearing a type of armor that protects against such attacks or status effects. In many cases, this explains the presence of the spell; it's not so useful in the player's hands, but when the enemy uses it against the party, it's a significant threat.

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Of course, when any enemy possesses such spells, [[TheComputerIsACheatingBastard they will invariably be effective when used on you]], unless you happen to be wearing a type of armor that protects against such attacks or status effects. Even if the computer plays fair, a spell may still end up this way, because the hordes of enemy NPCs don't need to worry about exposing themselves to danger or wasting resources, and EvilOnlyHasToWinOnce. For instance a spell that has an effective 30% chance of killing your target but a 70% of screwing yourself would be a terrible deal for players but devastating in the hands of the enemy. In many cases, this explains the presence of the spell; it's not so useful in the player's hands, but when the enemy uses it against the party, it's a significant threat.
4th Apr '16 11:08:37 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** The VideoGame/MassEffect2 version of Stasis also gets pegged into this trope, despite actually being one of the most devastating status effects if used correctly. There are three reasons for why Stasis is good. The first is it is one of the few non-damage oriented abilities in the game that actually works without removing enemy defenses first. The second reason is that enemies hit with Stasis take significantly more damage between the time Stasis wears off and when they get back on their feet.[[note]]This is an intended effect, when Stasis wears off the enemy ragdolls and falls to the floor, both of which cause damage x2 while in effect for a total of x4[[/note]] You can legitimately one shot many enemies in this time period. The third is a bug which for a brief moment causes the difficulty level to not be taken into account when dealing damage meaning that enemies take damage as though the game were at Easy difficulty regardless of the actual difficulty, so while it is supposed to allow you to deal massive damage to enemies as part of the design it ends up being BeneficialBug overkill and one hit killing them. The major point is that none of this is listed in the game so most players look at the immediate effect of the ability, which isn't that useful most of the time, without ever realizing about the damage boost when it wears off.

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** The VideoGame/MassEffect2 version of Stasis also gets pegged into this trope, despite actually being one of the most devastating status effects if used correctly. There are three reasons for why Stasis is good. The first is it is one of the few non-damage oriented abilities in the game that actually works without removing enemy defenses first. The second reason is that enemies hit with Stasis take significantly more damage between the time Stasis wears off and when they get back on their feet.[[note]]This is an intended effect, when Stasis wears off the enemy ragdolls and falls to the floor, both of which cause damage x2 while in effect for a total of x4[[/note]] You can legitimately one shot many enemies in this time period. The third is a bug which for a brief moment causes the difficulty level to not be taken into account when dealing damage meaning that enemies take damage as though the game were at Easy difficulty regardless of the actual difficulty, so while it is supposed to allow you to deal massive damage to enemies as part of the design it ends up being BeneficialBug GoodBadBug overkill and one hit killing them. The major point is that none of this is listed in the game so most players look at the immediate effect of the ability, which isn't that useful most of the time, without ever realizing about the damage boost when it wears off.
7th Mar '16 8:58:38 AM Loekman3
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*** This also makes Taunt an incredibly practical in competitive metagame when compared towards the in-game battling as status moves such as Recover, Stealth Rock, Roar which are normally impractical compared going all-offensive has a much greater presence to the point that Taunt becomes incredibly useful when against Stall teams.
11th Feb '16 3:05:16 PM KantonKage
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25th Jan '16 6:08:42 AM Mad_Spy
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* In some ways the blast weapons of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is starting to turn this way. Most blast weapons are quite powerful, especially heavy ordinance weapons, but due to the new way of resolving Blast weapons, you'd be pretty lucky if the shot land anywhere near your intended target (it's entirely possible that the shot will make a "return to sender" move, and there's a good chance of it happening too!). While a Space Marine can be very accurate with his aim-based Krak Missile, he is a worse shot than a drunk stormtrooper when it comes to firing the explosive Frag variant. Both missiles are fired from the same weapon.

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* In some ways the blast weapons of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is starting to turn this way. Most blast weapons are quite powerful, especially heavy ordinance ordnance weapons, but due to the new way of resolving Blast weapons, you'd be pretty lucky if the shot land anywhere near your intended target (it's entirely possible that the shot will make a "return to sender" move, and there's a good chance of it happening too!). While a Space Marine can be very accurate with his aim-based Krak Missile, he is a worse shot than a drunk stormtrooper when it comes to firing the explosive Frag variant. Both missiles are fired from the same weapon.
24th Jan '16 4:11:46 PM AzureSeas
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* ''[[VideoGame/LegendOfHeroesTrailsInTheSky The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky]]'' has Chaos Brand, which causes confusion. Well, confusion isn't normally one of the more powerful status effects in an RPG and this game is no exception, but the spell has a 100% success rate against any enemy that isn't outright immune to it, and it's one of the cheapest spells to cast—at 10 EP—to boot. In fact, status effects aren't too shabby in general in Trails in the Sky; while they're not as exploitable as the aforementioned sleep spells in Radiant Historia, there are a number of abilities that have a chance of causing things like petrify, freeze, mute, or even instant death in addition to doing damage, and with proper [[PowersAsPrograms quartz]] setup, you can make ''any'' attack have a 10% chance of causing a given status effect. And again, the chance of the status hitting is entirely dependent on the method of activation; the only possible enemy resistance levels are "none" or "complete".

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* ''[[VideoGame/LegendOfHeroesTrailsInTheSky The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky]]'' ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfHeroesTrailsInTheSky'' has Chaos Brand, which causes confusion. Well, confusion isn't normally one of the more powerful status effects in an RPG and this game is no exception, but the spell has a 100% success rate against any enemy that isn't outright immune to it, and it's one of the cheapest spells to cast—at 10 EP—to boot. In fact, status effects aren't too shabby in general in Trails in the Sky; while they're not as exploitable as the aforementioned sleep spells in Radiant Historia, there are a number of abilities that have a chance of causing things like petrify, freeze, mute, or even instant death in addition to doing damage, and with proper [[PowersAsPrograms quartz]] setup, you can make ''any'' attack have a 10% chance of causing a given status effect. And again, the chance of the status hitting is entirely dependent on the method of activation; the only possible enemy resistance levels are "none" or "complete".
15th Jan '16 2:19:57 PM Jacob175
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* ''VideoGame/RakenzarnTales'' both averts it and plays it straight. Many bosses can be afflicted with at least one status condition and the EnemyScan can show you which ones have the best chance of working. It's played straight for main character Kyuu, who is immune to all negative status conditions, something that is actually made note of in the game.
6th Jan '16 12:23:02 PM Willbyr
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** ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' (and from all reports, all MegaTen games) seems to avert this trope with some degree of gusto. Not only does stat-up/down work on most bosses (and are necessary at points to avoid death) but instant kill techniques such as Chie's Galactic Punt Follow Though technique will instantly remove everything up to and including mid-bosses from battle.

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** ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' (and from all reports, all MegaTen Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei games) seems to avert this trope with some degree of gusto. Not only does stat-up/down work on most bosses (and are necessary at points to avoid death) but instant kill techniques such as Chie's Galactic Punt Follow Though technique will instantly remove everything up to and including mid-bosses from battle.



* Notably, the (first) ThatOneBoss in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', Matador, is specifically designed to act as a brick wall to inform players new to MegaTen that buffs and debuffs are about as powerful as the strongest attacks. If you go in without the proper buffs and debuffs, Matador ''will kick your ass''.

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* Notably, the (first) ThatOneBoss in ''VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne'', Matador, is specifically designed to act as a brick wall to inform players new to MegaTen [=MegaTen=] that buffs and debuffs are about as powerful as the strongest attacks. If you go in without the proper buffs and debuffs, Matador ''will kick your ass''.
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