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16th May '18 10:08:00 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* {{Averted|Trope}} in the ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' episode "[[Recap/FuturamaS1E10AFlightToRemember A Flight to Remember]]". Bender still has some hope that his love interest, after falling through a black hole, may happen to just reappear safe somewhere else. Prof. Farnsworth, however, being both GenreSavvy and a brilliant scientist, after reassuring him by confirming his hypothesis, brutally explains to the others [[SarcasmMode (with an eloquent gesture)]] that she's dead and gone. And [[PlayingWithATrope played straight]] with the black hole itself being depicted as a highly-visible, blue-ish vortex.

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* {{Averted|Trope}} in the ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' episode "[[Recap/FuturamaS1E10AFlightToRemember A Flight to Remember]]". Bender still has some hope that his love interest, after falling through a black hole, may happen to just reappear safe somewhere else. Prof. Farnsworth, however, being both GenreSavvy and a brilliant scientist, after reassuring him by confirming his hypothesis, brutally explains to the others [[SarcasmMode (with an eloquent gesture)]] that she's dead and gone. And [[PlayingWithATrope played straight]] with the black hole itself being depicted as a highly-visible, blue-ish vortex.
1st May '18 11:17:40 AM MrMaplesyrup1
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[[PowerOfTheVoid Black holes]]. They're the most terrifying things in the known universe. They're huge masses of... well, ''nothing'' (but they do have a lot of [[ShapedLikeItself mass]]); and nothing, not even light, can travel fast enough to escape them. Unfortunate items which do fall in are [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghettification spaghettified]] (the official scientific term), stretched thin by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_force tidal forces]], the black hole ripping atom from atom, then [[DeaderThanDead ripping up the atoms]]. But that's only if you get too close. From far away enough, in a stable orbit, being near a black hole would just be the same as orbiting a massive, [[StealthInSpace invisible]][[note]] The [[ShadowDiscretionShot gravitational lensing effect]] is hard to overlook so the black hole would appear as a silhouette against the stars - see the Other Wiki for a simulation thereof.[[/note]] star, only the black hole would be ''much'' bigger.[[note]]Often as far across in diameter as Neptune's orbit.[[/note]]

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[[PowerOfTheVoid Black holes]]. They're the most terrifying things in the known universe. They're huge masses of... well, ''nothing'' (but they do have a lot of [[ShapedLikeItself mass]]); and nothing, not even light, can travel fast enough to escape them.them[[note]]Technically, light can escape them, as the gravitational force doesn't affect it. A black hole is actually any object which has an escape velocity inside its event horizon (or [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Schwartzchild radius]]) that is greater than the speed of light, meaning no matter can escape it without itself becoming a black hole.[[/note]]. Unfortunate items which do fall in are [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghettification spaghettified]] (the official scientific term), stretched thin by [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_force tidal forces]], the black hole ripping atom from atom, then [[DeaderThanDead ripping up the atoms]]. But that's only if you get too close. From far away enough, in a stable orbit, being near a black hole would just be the same as orbiting a massive, [[StealthInSpace invisible]][[note]] The [[ShadowDiscretionShot gravitational lensing effect]] is hard to overlook so the black hole would appear as a silhouette against the stars - see the Other Wiki for a simulation thereof.[[/note]] star, only the black hole would be ''much'' bigger.[[note]]Often as far across in diameter as Neptune's orbit. For a nice size comparison, see [[https://youtu.be/QgNDao7m41M this video]].[[/note]]
24th Apr '18 6:35:24 PM Amahn
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*** The real problem arises from the fact it's a newborn black hole that originated from one of the planet's binary suns. Gravity is a function of mass and distance between centers of mass. When a star collapses into a black hole the mass does not change, only the density, and neither does the distance between any orbiting planets and the star/black hole's center of mass. Therefor gravity at the planet's orbit would not change one iota, the planet would continue orbiting as normal and not "fall in", and there would be no time dilation. Gravity only "increases" once you get within the radius the star's surface used to encompass. Radiation would have been a MUCH more real problem.


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* Halfway through ''Series/LostInSpace2018'' it's revealed that [[spoiler: the planet they're stranded on is in a binary system and the 2nd star is a black hole. This acts as a looming threat for why they have to get off the planet immediately, because said black hole is "sucking" the planet out of orbit and tearing it apart in the process - so quickly that they have only days or weeks before the planet is uninhabitable. The only POSSIBLE way this would work is if it were a stray black hole flying through the system, not a binary system as they clearly stated, and even then it's happening WAY too fast. Any planet orbiting a star that collapses into a black hole will continue to orbit at its same distance because gravity doesn't change when a black hole forms. To make matters worse. Their first hint it existed was that the "day was getting longer, too fast". A changing orbit would in no way change the day length, only rotational velocity or axial tilt, and they had no point of reference for how quickly seasons changed day length on this planet so had no basis to make such a claim.]]
29th Mar '18 9:02:11 PM nombretomado
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* ''Franchise/StarOcean''

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* ''Franchise/StarOcean'' ''VideoGame/StarOcean''
17th Mar '18 9:02:45 AM StarSword
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* {{Justified}} in the ''Literature/{{Aeon 14}}'' novel ''Destiny Lost''. When the AST destroys the giant graviton generators that are keeping the brown dwarf-massed gas giant Aurora from collapsing and igniting, the brown dwarf collapses, causing a massive fusion explosion that compresses the core below the black hole diameter for its mass. The miniature nova ''also'' provides energy to keep open the portals to the [[SubspaceOrHyperspace dark layer]] through which the graviton generators pulled gravitons, which means the black hole begins absorbing dark matter as well as its immediate surroundings. Thus, it ends up with a larger mass and therefore larger gravitational pull than the object it formed from.

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* {{Justified}} in the ''Literature/{{Aeon 14}}'' novel ''Destiny Lost''. When the AST destroys the giant graviton generators that are keeping the brown dwarf-massed gas giant Aurora from collapsing and igniting, the brown dwarf collapses, causing a massive fusion explosion that compresses the core below the black hole diameter for its mass. The miniature nova ''also'' provides energy to keep open the portals to the [[SubspaceOrHyperspace dark layer]] through which the graviton generators pulled gravitons, which means the black hole begins absorbing dark matter as well as its immediate surroundings. Thus, it ends up with a larger mass and therefore larger gravitational pull than the object it formed from.from (the shift in the system's gravity pattern is mentioned to be causing earthquakes on inhabited planets in the system).
7th Mar '18 5:36:23 PM StarSword
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* {{Discussed}} in a ''Series/{{Bones}}'' episode involving a murdered physicist who had worked on the Large Hadron Collider. Early in the episode the show [[RippedFromTheHeadlines references the mini-controversy over the LHC possibly producing black holes]] as a potential motive for the murder (the idea being that the victim was killed to prevent TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt). First of all [[https://www.inquisitr.com/1943961/satirical-newsite-sparks-cern-lhc-doomsday-fears-physicist-amit-goswami-warns-lhc-could-destroy-planet/ the story that originated this "controversy"]] [[PoesLaw was satirical to begin with]], and second of all, [[https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2016/03/11/could-the-lhc-make-an-earth-killing-black-hole/#7efb76992ed5 the entire idea is physically impossible for multiple reasons.]]
7th Mar '18 5:25:57 PM StarSword
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* {{Justified}} in the ''Literature/{{Aeon 14}}'' novel ''Destiny Lost''. When the AST destroys the giant graviton generators that are keeping the brown dwarf-massed gas giant Aurora from collapsing and igniting, the brown dwarf collapses, causing a massive fusion explosion that compresses the core below the black hole diameter for its mass. The supernova ''also'' provides energy to maintain the portals to the [[SubspaceOrHyperspace dark layer]] from which the graviton generators pull gravitons, which means the black hole begins absorbing dark matter. Thus, it ends up with a larger mass and therefore larger gravitational pull than the object it formed from.

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* {{Justified}} in the ''Literature/{{Aeon 14}}'' novel ''Destiny Lost''. When the AST destroys the giant graviton generators that are keeping the brown dwarf-massed gas giant Aurora from collapsing and igniting, the brown dwarf collapses, causing a massive fusion explosion that compresses the core below the black hole diameter for its mass. The supernova miniature nova ''also'' provides energy to maintain keep open the portals to the [[SubspaceOrHyperspace dark layer]] from through which the graviton generators pull pulled gravitons, which means the black hole begins absorbing dark matter.matter as well as its immediate surroundings. Thus, it ends up with a larger mass and therefore larger gravitational pull than the object it formed from.
7th Mar '18 5:22:23 PM StarSword
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* {{Justified}} in the ''Literature/{{Aeon 14}}'' novel ''Destiny Lost''. When the AST destroys the giant graviton generators that are keeping the brown dwarf-massed gas giant Aurora from collapsing and igniting, the brown dwarf collapses, causing a massive fusion explosion that compresses the core below the black hole diameter for its mass. The supernova ''also'' provides energy to maintain the portals to the [[SubspaceOrHyperspace dark layer]] from which the graviton generators pull gravitons, which means the black hole begins absorbing dark matter. Thus, it ends up with a larger mass and therefore larger gravitational pull than the object it formed from.
4th Mar '18 8:18:03 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', StephenHawking makes a joke to humiliate Sheldon, asking what he and black holes have in common. The punchline is "They both suck". Of course, this IS StephenHawking talking, so it's obvious he's just making a joke at the expense of one of his biggest (and definitely his most obnoxious) fans.

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* In ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', StephenHawking Creator/StephenHawking makes a joke to humiliate Sheldon, asking what he and black holes have in common. The punchline is "They both suck". Of course, this IS StephenHawking Stephen Hawking talking, so it's obvious he's just making a joke at the expense of one of his biggest (and definitely his most obnoxious) fans.
23rd Feb '18 2:29:10 PM DaibhidC
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* One of the ''Literature/RedDwarf'' novels had an arc in which the crew encountered a black hole. Whether it's handled realistically or not is... really up to you: Its effect on time is addressed by the narrator (as well as causing numerous problems for ship computer Holly, what with his components being in different weeks), and the Talkie Toaster (really) describes the process of spaghettification. [[spoiler:However, they then proceed to use the event horizon to ''slingshot out of the black hole''. And find out quite quickly from Lister, who was left on a nearby planet, that the entire maneuver took decades.]]

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* One of the ''Literature/RedDwarf'' novels had an arc in which the crew encountered a black hole. Whether it's handled realistically or not is... really up to you: Its effect on time is addressed by the narrator (as well as causing numerous problems for ship computer Holly, what with his components being in different weeks), and the Talkie Toaster (really) describes the process of spaghettification. [[spoiler:However, they then proceed to use the event horizon to ''slingshot out of the black hole''. And find out quite quickly from Lister, who was left on a nearby planet, that the entire maneuver took decades.]]]] Being spaghettified isn't really presented correctly though; the point is the gravity stretches and compresses everything into one long thin "noodle", but in the book it's more like becoming ''multiple'' strands of spaghetti. And the crew remain conscious the whole time and are conveniently "de-spaghettified" once they've completed the slingshot, rather than being extremely dead.



* In the ''Literature/RedDwarf'' novel ''Better Than Life'', Talkie Toaster correctly states that anything entering a black hole gets spaghettified ... and adds that, hopefully, when you exit you get ''de''-spaghettified. This is what happens. (Being spaghettified isn't really presented correctly either; the point is the gravity stretches and compresses everything into one long thin "noodle", but in the book it's more like becoming ''multiple'' strands of spaghetti. And remaining conscious the whole time, whereas in reality, a person being spaghettified would result in them being extremely dead.)
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