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31st Mar '17 8:03:58 AM Morgenthaler
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* A mod for ''EuropaUniversalis 3'' allows you to create the European Union by taking control of the capitals of the EU as it is right now (that is, Lisbon, Madrid, London, Paris, Rome, Berlin...). Uniting Europe is also a [[SelfImposedChallenge common goal for veteran players]].

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* A mod for ''EuropaUniversalis ''VideoGame/EuropaUniversalis 3'' allows you to create the European Union by taking control of the capitals of the EU as it is right now (that is, Lisbon, Madrid, London, Paris, Rome, Berlin...). Uniting Europe is also a [[SelfImposedChallenge common goal for veteran players]].
20th Feb '17 5:39:03 PM nombretomado
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Whether this is destined to be TruthInTelevision or not, as well as whether it ''ought'' to be, depends on who you ask. It remains a ''very'' contentious issue on both sides. Let's just say that the EU isn't especially popular in the UK (especially considering that the country has experienced [[http://archive.is/8VLSP an economic boom]] since the Brexit vote[[note]]YMMV on this, depending on who you ask, consdidering that the referendum result in favour of leaving was a marginal win by 52:48 for the anti-EU faction, and factoring in that some BritishNewspapers with an agenda of their own are talking up slight indicators of a boom to justify their somewhat fervent pro-Brexit positions[[/note]]) or present-day Greece, and everywhere else the mention of it being a good/bad thing can spark a rather fierce argument down at the pub if you aren't careful. RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement may well apply.

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Whether this is destined to be TruthInTelevision or not, as well as whether it ''ought'' to be, depends on who you ask. It remains a ''very'' contentious issue on both sides. Let's just say that the EU isn't especially popular in the UK (especially considering that the country has experienced [[http://archive.is/8VLSP an economic boom]] since the Brexit vote[[note]]YMMV on this, depending on who you ask, consdidering that the referendum result in favour of leaving was a marginal win by 52:48 for the anti-EU faction, and factoring in that some BritishNewspapers UsefulNotes/BritishNewspapers with an agenda of their own are talking up slight indicators of a boom to justify their somewhat fervent pro-Brexit positions[[/note]]) or present-day Greece, and everywhere else the mention of it being a good/bad thing can spark a rather fierce argument down at the pub if you aren't careful. RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement may well apply.
18th Feb '17 4:19:48 PM AgProv
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Whether this is destined to be TruthInTelevision or not, as well as whether it ''ought'' to be, depends on who you ask. It remains a ''very'' contentious issue on both sides. Let's just say that the EU isn't especially popular in the UK (especially considering that the country has experienced [[http://archive.is/8VLSP an economic boom]] since the Brexit vote[[note]]YMMV on this, depending on who you ask, and factoring in that some BritishNewspapers with an agenda of their own are talking up slight indicators of a boom to justify their somewhat fervent pro-Brexit positions[[/note]]) or present-day Greece, and everywhere else the mention of it being a good/bad thing can spark a rather fierce argument down at the pub if you aren't careful. RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement may well apply.

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Whether this is destined to be TruthInTelevision or not, as well as whether it ''ought'' to be, depends on who you ask. It remains a ''very'' contentious issue on both sides. Let's just say that the EU isn't especially popular in the UK (especially considering that the country has experienced [[http://archive.is/8VLSP an economic boom]] since the Brexit vote[[note]]YMMV on this, depending on who you ask, consdidering that the referendum result in favour of leaving was a marginal win by 52:48 for the anti-EU faction, and factoring in that some BritishNewspapers with an agenda of their own are talking up slight indicators of a boom to justify their somewhat fervent pro-Brexit positions[[/note]]) or present-day Greece, and everywhere else the mention of it being a good/bad thing can spark a rather fierce argument down at the pub if you aren't careful. RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement may well apply.
18th Feb '17 4:17:13 PM AgProv
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Whether this is destined to be TruthInTelevision or not, as well as whether it ''ought'' to be, depends on who you ask. It remains a ''very'' contentious issue on both sides. Let's just say that the EU isn't especially popular in the UK (especially considering that the country has experienced [[http://archive.is/8VLSP an economic boom]] since the Brexit vote[[note]]YMMV on this, depending on who you ask, and factoing in that some BritishNewspapers with an agenda of their own are talking up slight indicators of a boom to justify their somewhat fervent pro-Brexit positions[[/note]]) or present-day Greece, and everywhere else the mention of it being a good/bad thing can spark a rather fierce argument down at the pub if you aren't careful. RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement may well apply.

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Whether this is destined to be TruthInTelevision or not, as well as whether it ''ought'' to be, depends on who you ask. It remains a ''very'' contentious issue on both sides. Let's just say that the EU isn't especially popular in the UK (especially considering that the country has experienced [[http://archive.is/8VLSP an economic boom]] since the Brexit vote[[note]]YMMV on this, depending on who you ask, and factoing factoring in that some BritishNewspapers with an agenda of their own are talking up slight indicators of a boom to justify their somewhat fervent pro-Brexit positions[[/note]]) or present-day Greece, and everywhere else the mention of it being a good/bad thing can spark a rather fierce argument down at the pub if you aren't careful. RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement may well apply.
18th Feb '17 4:15:54 PM AgProv
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Whether this is destined to be TruthInTelevision or not, as well as whether it ''ought'' to be, depends on who you ask. It remains a ''very'' contentious issue on both sides. Let's just say that the EU isn't especially popular in the UK (especially considering that the country has experienced [[http://archive.is/8VLSP an economic boom]] since the Brexit vote) or present-day Greece, and everywhere else the mention of it being a good/bad thing can spark a rather fierce argument down at the pub if you aren't careful.

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Whether this is destined to be TruthInTelevision or not, as well as whether it ''ought'' to be, depends on who you ask. It remains a ''very'' contentious issue on both sides. Let's just say that the EU isn't especially popular in the UK (especially considering that the country has experienced [[http://archive.is/8VLSP an economic boom]] since the Brexit vote) vote[[note]]YMMV on this, depending on who you ask, and factoing in that some BritishNewspapers with an agenda of their own are talking up slight indicators of a boom to justify their somewhat fervent pro-Brexit positions[[/note]]) or present-day Greece, and everywhere else the mention of it being a good/bad thing can spark a rather fierce argument down at the pub if you aren't careful.
careful. RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement may well apply.
1st Feb '17 1:47:48 PM Morgenthaler
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A recurring phenomenon in this trope, especially if the creator is British or American, is that [[UsefulNotes/WithEuropeButNotOfIt Britain]] will somehow not be part of a United Europe (which, as of 23 June 2016, might actually be [[JustifiedTrope the more realistic scenario]]). [[FridgeLogic Oddly enough]], the very independent and politically neutral Switzerland, as well as Norway (neither of which are even in the EU) rarely get the same treatment. It should come as no surprise therefore that this trope varies depending on who's making the work in question. Another recurring phenomenon is that the capital of the United Europe rarely stays as Brussels, usually moving to Paris or Berlin, probably because audiences can easily recognize these landmark-heavy locations over the less-visited Brussels.

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A recurring phenomenon in this trope, especially if the creator is British or American, is that [[UsefulNotes/WithEuropeButNotOfIt Britain]] will somehow not be part of a United Europe (which, as of 23 June 2016, might actually be [[JustifiedTrope the more realistic scenario]]). [[FridgeLogic Oddly enough]], the very independent and politically neutral Switzerland, UsefulNotes/{{Switzerland}}, as well as Norway UsefulNotes/{{Norway}} (neither of which are even in the EU) rarely get the same treatment. It should come as no surprise therefore that this trope varies depending on who's making the work in question. Another recurring phenomenon is that the capital of the United Europe rarely stays as Brussels, usually moving to Paris or Berlin, probably because audiences can easily recognize these landmark-heavy locations over the less-visited Brussels.
13th Jan '17 9:34:13 AM JackTheHammer
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Whether this is destined to be TruthInTelevision or not, as well as whether it ''ought'' to be, depends on who you ask. It remains a ''very'' contentious issue on both sides. Let's just say that the EU isn't especially popular in the UK (though it seems to be getting more popular at the moment, because a lot of Brits have realised that they've just committed a spectacular act of economic suicide) or present-day Greece, and everywhere else the mention of it being a good/bad thing can spark a rather fierce argument down at the pub if you aren't careful.

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Whether this is destined to be TruthInTelevision or not, as well as whether it ''ought'' to be, depends on who you ask. It remains a ''very'' contentious issue on both sides. Let's just say that the EU isn't especially popular in the UK (though it seems to be getting more popular at the moment, because a lot of Brits have realised (especially considering that they've just committed a spectacular act of the country has experienced [[http://archive.is/8VLSP an economic suicide) boom]] since the Brexit vote) or present-day Greece, and everywhere else the mention of it being a good/bad thing can spark a rather fierce argument down at the pub if you aren't careful.
6th Jan '17 8:49:49 AM DarkPhoenix94
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The dream of a United Europe was very real in [[TheFifties the 1950s]] after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII -- the idea of the mainland throwing off prejudice and becoming one massive Happyland. There is also presumably a connection being drawn by some people with the rise of the USSR and USA -- to them, it 'makes sense' that there should be a United States of Europe to join it. Today, that [[TheFifties 1950s]] dream is more widespread than it has ever been, but, naturally, blocks still remain.

It was also very real before that: See [[UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire Charlemagne]], [[UsefulNotes/LEtatCestMoi Louis XIV]], UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte, and UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler as attempts to violently unify Europe. Oh yeah, there's also AncientRome, which actually succeeded in unifying much of what is now southern Europe and was the example many of the aforementioned leaders sought to emulate.

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The dream of a United Europe was very real in [[TheFifties the 1950s]] after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII -- the idea of the mainland throwing off prejudice and becoming one massive Happyland. There is also presumably a connection being drawn by some people with the rise of the USSR and USA -- to them, it 'makes sense' that there should be a United States of Europe to join it. Today, that [[TheFifties 1950s]] dream is more widespread than it has ever been, but, naturally, blocks still remain.

It was also very real before that:
remain - like the fact that Europeans have been kicking the hell out of each other for 2500 years and have only really considered stopping since 1945. Looking back through history, it's hard to find a period of more than a couple of years in a row in the last millennium when there wasn't a war in Europe, with the likes of England vs Scotland, England vs Ireland, England vs France, England vs Spain, Spain vs the Netherlands, Spain vs France, Denmark vs Sweden, Poland vs Germany, Poland vs Russia, Russia vs Germany, Germany vs Germany, and the usual internecine Balkan strife, rolling around with such regularity that they practically qualify as annual derbies. More recent editions include Everyone vs Germany and Everyone vs Russia.

As a result, a lot of previous attempts to unify Europe have been through force:
See [[UsefulNotes/HolyRomanEmpire Charlemagne]], [[UsefulNotes/LEtatCestMoi Louis XIV]], UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte, and UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler as attempts to violently unify Europe. Europe, or at least, large parts of it. Oh yeah, there's also AncientRome, which actually succeeded in unifying much of what is now southern and western Europe and was the example many of the aforementioned leaders sought to emulate.
emulate. As a result, there are a lot of grudges that are centuries, even millennia, old, and a lot of fearsomely independent-minded states that are exceptionally jealous of their sovereignty.



Whether this is destined to be TruthInTelevision or not, as well as whether it ''ought'' to be, depends on who you ask. It remains a ''very'' contentious issue on both sides. Let's just say that the EU isn't especially popular in the UK or present-day Greece, and everywhere else the mention of it being a good/bad thing can spark a rather fierce argument down at the pub if you aren't careful.

to:

Whether this is destined to be TruthInTelevision or not, as well as whether it ''ought'' to be, depends on who you ask. It remains a ''very'' contentious issue on both sides. Let's just say that the EU isn't especially popular in the UK (though it seems to be getting more popular at the moment, because a lot of Brits have realised that they've just committed a spectacular act of economic suicide) or present-day Greece, and everywhere else the mention of it being a good/bad thing can spark a rather fierce argument down at the pub if you aren't careful.
11th Sep '16 10:12:45 PM PaulA
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* In OrsonScottCard's AlternateHistory series ''[[Literature/TheTalesOfAlvinMaker Alvin Maker]]'', Napoleon suceeds in this by not engaging in his disastrous invasion of Russia and declaring a unilateral cease-fire with Britain.

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* In OrsonScottCard's Creator/OrsonScottCard's AlternateHistory series ''[[Literature/TheTalesOfAlvinMaker Alvin Maker]]'', Napoleon suceeds in this by not engaging in his disastrous invasion of Russia and declaring a unilateral cease-fire with Britain.
12th Aug '16 8:13:50 PM nombretomado
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* AlternateHistory classic ''Literature/ForWantOfANail'' depicts this as a minor detail to its main focus (North America following a failed AmericanRevolution) when the German Empire conquers continental Europe and the Middle East during the Global War.

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* AlternateHistory classic ''Literature/ForWantOfANail'' depicts this as a minor detail to its main focus (North America following a failed AmericanRevolution) UsefulNotes/AmericanRevolution) when the German Empire conquers continental Europe and the Middle East during the Global War.
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