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29th Nov '16 8:43:28 AM sgamer82
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* In ''Manga/MahouTsukaiNoYome'', Alchemists, who treat [[FantasticScience magic as a science]] [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic that can be learned by anyone, with enough practice]], use a form of HermeticMagic; Mages are born with their powers, which stem from communication with the world of WildMagic and are therefore both much more potent and much more dangerous to learn.

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* In ''Manga/MahouTsukaiNoYome'', ''Manga/TheAncientMagusBride'', Alchemists, who treat [[FantasticScience magic as a science]] [[SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic that can be learned by anyone, with enough practice]], use a form of HermeticMagic; Mages are born with their powers, which stem from communication with the world of WildMagic and are therefore both much more potent and much more dangerous to learn.
9th Nov '16 1:55:37 PM nighttrainfm
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* In ''Literature/HarryPotter'', most non-Divination wizards consider Divination to be useless. Divination is described by Professor [=McGonagall=] as "one of the most imprecise branches of magic." Supporters of the subject claim that it is an inexact science that requires innate gifts. Those opposed claim that the subject is irrelevant and fraudulent. Sybil Trelawney, the professor of Divination, appears to be totally inept at it, as Hermione never fails to point out; in fact, Hermione drops the class as useless. Sybil's predictions are almost always wrong or obviously fraudulent, with the exception of [[spoiler:the two regarding Voldemort]], which she has no memory of, and the [[spoiler:prediction of Dumbledore's death]] in the [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince sixth book]], which she herself disregards as incorrect.

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non-Divination wizards consider Divination to be useless. Divination is described by Professor [=McGonagall=] as "one of the most imprecise branches of magic." Supporters of the subject claim that it is an inexact science that requires innate gifts. Those opposed claim that the subject is irrelevant and fraudulent. Sybil Trelawney, the professor of Divination, appears to be totally inept at it, as Hermione never fails to point out; in fact, Hermione drops the class as useless. Sybil's predictions are almost always wrong or obviously fraudulent, with the exception of [[spoiler:the two regarding Voldemort]], which she has no memory of, and the [[spoiler:prediction of Dumbledore's death]] in the [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince sixth book]], which she herself disregards as incorrect.


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** Used as a one-off when [=McGonagall=] asks Neville why he hasn't applied for NEWT-level Charms despite his high mark the previous year. He admits it's because his grandmother considers Charms "a soft option" - which [=McGonagall=] promptly reveals is because she failed ''her'' Charms OWL.
8th Nov '16 6:53:26 AM Peteman
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*** Some of his frustration stems from the fact that, while it's never explicitly stated in as many words, Xykon himself is a hard inversion of the way the prepared/instinctive rivalry usually goes. In a setting where wizards are continually flailing about and relying on their ability to find the single spell that gets a job done, Xykon is shown using intensely complex sequences of spells to achieve effects that no single spell can manage (such as using energy drains to de-level someone to the point of losing an ability, then hitting them with an ability they'd normally be immune to, or using spells to draw fire to drain resources or open up a counter-attack). He is quite literally the most intelligent spell-caster ever seen 'on screen', and wins the vast majority of victories by simply being an order of magnitude smarter than anyone around him.

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*** Some of his frustration stems from the fact that, while it's never explicitly stated in as many words, Xykon himself is a hard inversion of the way the prepared/instinctive rivalry usually goes. In a setting where wizards are continually flailing about and relying on their ability to find the single spell that gets a job done, Xykon is shown using intensely complex sequences of spells to achieve effects that no single spell can manage (such as using energy drains to de-level someone to the point of losing an ability, then hitting them with an ability they'd normally be immune to, or using spells to draw fire to drain resources or open up a counter-attack).counter-attack, or resorting to physically beating someone up when the situation calls for it). He is quite literally the most intelligent spell-caster ever seen 'on screen', and wins the vast majority of victories by simply being an order of magnitude smarter than anyone around him.
25th Oct '16 6:57:01 PM nombretomado
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* The ''StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' books feature Force users who are ''not'' Jedi Knights. They have some very different ideas about what the Force is or how to use it, and some of them have fallen under condemnation from both the Jedi Council and GeorgeLucas because of it.

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* The ''StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' books feature Force users who are ''not'' Jedi Knights. They have some very different ideas about what the Force is or how to use it, and some of them have fallen under condemnation from both the Jedi Council and GeorgeLucas Creator/GeorgeLucas because of it.
23rd Aug '16 1:36:59 PM StrixObscuro
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* In the first movie to ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura'', it is revealed that Clow Reed had a rival in the form of a water-diviner known only as [[EveryoneCallsHimBarkeep Madoushi.]] She was always trying to outdo him, but he always prevailed, mainly because ''her'' power was used mainly for personal gain (thus limiting its potential), and Clow Reed used it for other (benevolent) purposes too. The rivalry is complicated because she had feelings for him, which ''may'' have been reciprocated [[note]] [[AllThereInTheManual The databooks]] actually call her his former lover, which would imply that he at least slept with her once. [[/note]]...but she became a threat and had to be sealed away in an alternate dimension by Clow. (In the English dubbed version, she is a former student of his who actually became his girlfriend...and then turned to TheDarkSide, whereupon Clow broke up with her and then sealed her away.)

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* In the first movie to ''Manga/CardcaptorSakura'', it is revealed that Clow Reed had a rival in the form of a water-diviner known only as [[EveryoneCallsHimBarkeep Madoushi.]] She was always trying to outdo him, but he always prevailed, mainly because ''her'' power was used mainly for personal gain (thus limiting its potential), and Clow Reed used it for other (benevolent) purposes too. The rivalry is complicated because she had feelings for him, which ''may'' have been reciprocated [[note]] [[AllThereInTheManual [[note]][[AllThereInTheManual The databooks]] actually call her his former lover, which would imply that he at least slept with her once. [[/note]]...but she became a threat and had to be sealed away in an alternate dimension by Clow. (In the English dubbed version, she is a former student of his who actually became his girlfriend...and then turned to TheDarkSide, whereupon Clow broke up with her and then sealed her away.)


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* In one ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueElite'' story, the team goes up against the witch Circe. The team mystic, Manitou Raven, shows disdain for Circe's methods, claiming that they barely qualify as magic because they don't involve any kind of personal sacrifice as his magic does.
* In ''ComicBook/TarotWitchOfTheBlackRose'', the world of witches is portrayed as being perpetually divided by methods and ideologies. This is presented as largely a good thing, as it allows for individuality and prevents zealots like Raven Hex or Azure from organizing the witches for evil ends.
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23rd Aug '16 12:43:59 PM intastiel
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* [[GeometricMagic Rune Magic]] in ''Literature/VoidDomain'' is seen as archaic and outdated by the magical community, and is no longer taught. In practice, it's a BoringButPractical option for easy semi-permanent enchantments, and Eva does a lively trade in selling useful runes. BloodMagic and [[SummoningRitual demon summoning]] are also held in low regard, but for rather more solid reasons: while they're not evil in themselves, an amoral practitioner can get a lot more mileage out of them than someone who won't, for example, rip out people's hearts to make [[BodyToJewel bloodstone]].
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12th Aug '16 12:04:01 PM DaveE
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** During the Horus Heresy a more traditional form of this feuding occurred among the Librarius. The Thousand Sons were widely acknowledged as the most accomplished psykers, and looked on Librarians from other Legions with at best smug condescension. [[spoiler: Turned out they were using pure Chaos sorcery, just gussied up by Tzeentch to not appear obviously evil.]] In contrast the Space Wolves Rune Priests insisted their psychic abilities came from the pure elemental power of Fenris, and disdained everyone else for using "maleficarum".
4th Aug '16 11:13:48 PM PaulA
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* {{Dragaera}} divides magic into witchcraft and sorcery. Witchcraft is RitualMagic mostly practiced by Easterners (baseline humans.) Sorcery is a power anyone with citizenship in the empire can use: a powerful artifact called the Orb can be called upon mentally by anyone in Dragaera to fuel a wide variety of spells. Apparently it controls the energy/substance/''something'' known as Chaos, the normally dangerously unstable power behind all magic. (The third kind of magic is ''direct'' manipulation of the stuff. Since it tends to get out of control and consume all in its path, trying it is a highly discouraged dead last resort.) Vlad {{Taltos}} is a user of both (and tried to command chaos once when the GodzillaThreshold had been crossed. Fortunately, Aliera was there to keep it from expanding too much and leaving a Sea of Chaos where the city used to be.)

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* {{Dragaera}} Literature/{{Dragaera}} divides magic into witchcraft and sorcery. Witchcraft is RitualMagic mostly practiced by Easterners (baseline humans.) humans). Sorcery is a power anyone with citizenship in the empire can use: a powerful artifact called the Orb can be called upon mentally by anyone in Dragaera to fuel a wide variety of spells. Apparently it controls the energy/substance/''something'' known as Chaos, the normally dangerously unstable power behind all magic. (The third kind of magic is ''direct'' manipulation of the stuff. Since it tends to get out of control and consume all in its path, trying it is a highly discouraged dead last resort.) Vlad {{Taltos}} Taltos is a user of both (and tried to command chaos once when the GodzillaThreshold had been crossed. Fortunately, crossed -- fortunately, Aliera was there to keep it from expanding too much and leaving a Sea of Chaos where the city used to be.)be).
27th Jul '16 4:57:48 AM ChronoLegion
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* Sergej Luk'yanenko's ''Literature/NightWatch'' shows a more benign example - wizards, sorcerers, warlocks were originally direct spellcasters, while witches and enchanters specialized in creating powerful artefacts. As of the series' events, there are almost no pure representants of those traditions, although the Inquisition often issues their operatives rare or obscure artefacts to give them a certain combat advantage.

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* Sergej Luk'yanenko's Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''Literature/NightWatch'' shows a more benign example - wizards, sorcerers, warlocks were originally direct spellcasters, while witches and enchanters specialized in creating powerful artefacts. As of the series' events, there are almost no pure representants representatives of those traditions, although the Inquisition often issues their operatives rare or obscure artefacts to give them a certain combat advantage.advantage. Witches do tend to be CloserToEarth, which allows them to use more primal forces but also ages them to an old crone in under a decade, requiring them to maintain their youthful appearance with magic. Typically, an old witch will [[NoOntologicalInertia will crumple to dust]], if her magic is taken away. Vampires and werewolves (which also includes other kinds of "weres") are special cases. They're the only type of Other, who are able to turn normal humans into Others. They are also kept at the bottom of the Other hierarchy. The Dark Others dislike them for their animalistic nature and a focus on physical strength, as opposed to magic. The Light Others don't like them, because both of those groups need to feed on human blood and meat, respectively, and the Grand Treaty forces the Night Watch to hand out hunting licenses for them using a lottery-based system to pick which humans will be sacrificed for the greater good. While vampires are typically reviled, high vampires are treated with more respect due to their experience and strength. The author also can't seem to decide whether vampires and werewolves are truly undead or not.
27th Jul '16 12:20:09 AM PaulA
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* The ''Literature/EarthseaTrilogy'' makes a distinction between "true" magic (based on an ancient language, studied in a WizardingSchool, practiced only by men) and several lesser forms of magic, including sorcery, illusionism and village witches. There are also other forms of religious magic in different cultures.

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* The ''Literature/EarthseaTrilogy'' ''Literature/{{Earthsea}}'' series makes a distinction between "true" magic (based on an ancient language, studied in a WizardingSchool, practiced only by men) and several lesser forms of magic, including sorcery, illusionism and village witches. There are also other forms of religious magic in different cultures.
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