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4th Aug '16 9:04:57 AM LaTriezieme
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** [[spoiler: Jon's last written scene in a Dance of Dragons closes on him fatally wounded, but didn't show him outright dead, leaving fans to wonder whether he survived or not.]] George R.R. Martin's vauge comments and the TV adaption imply [[spoiler: He may well have survived, making it a subversion]]
4th Aug '16 1:05:30 AM emperors
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** The theatrical cut of ''Return of the King'' does not show leader of orcs, Gothmog's ultimate fate. He is last seen backing away while soldiers of Rohann approach. It is implied he is killed as they start killing orcs. Ultimately subverted when the extended edition got released and it made it clear that Gothmog died during the battle (though it was much later than theatrical version made us believe).
* ''Film/KingdomOfHeaven'': The Grand Master of the Templar Order, who often accompanied Raynald de Chatillon during his massacres of Muslim caravans, is last seen marching with other crusaders against Saladin and his army. Because all the crusaders start dying of thirst and exhaustion, their army is annihilated and Raynald and Guy de Lusignan are taken captive. It is unclear if the Grand Master died with crusaders, but as he was not captive, it is implied that he did.
** According to historical facts, the Grand Master was Gerard de Rideford and he did survive the battle and was simply taken prisoner.
4th Aug '16 12:56:36 AM emperors
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* ''Literature/AGameOfThrones''. [[spoiler:Syrio Forel]] is last seen fighting a member of the [[EliteMook Kingsguard]] while unarmored and having just had his wooden practice sword destroyed by his opponent. Though the rest of the people in Ned's employ are confirmed dead, there's been no mention either way on [[spoiler:Syrio]].

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* ''Literature/AGameOfThrones''.''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''. [[spoiler:Syrio Forel]] is last seen fighting a member of the [[EliteMook Kingsguard]] while unarmored and having just had his wooden practice sword destroyed by his opponent. Though the rest of the people in Ned's employ are confirmed dead, there's been no mention either way on [[spoiler:Syrio]].




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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': It's unclear if Harald Karstark is one of the casualties of the Second Battle of Winterfell, as he is last shown before the battle takes place. It should be noted, that he is not listed among the casualties, leading some to speculate that he might reappear in later Season, though he since he was a very minor character, this seems unlikely.
26th Jul '16 10:47:19 PM HyperEmerson
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* ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'' concludes with considerable ambiguity concerning the fates of several characters. [[spoiler: Hide is considering a missing person, and last seen with a hallucinating Kaneki who may or may not have eaten him. Aogiri has kidnapped numerous wounded Investigators and will be experimenting on them. And finally, Koma and Irimi were last seen headed to V14, where Arima later slaughters a large number of Ghouls. It is unknown whether or not they were among the dead]].

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* ''Manga/TokyoGhoul'' concludes with considerable ambiguity concerning the fates of several characters. [[spoiler: Hide is considering a missing person, and last seen with a hallucinating Kaneki who may or may not have eaten him. Aogiri has kidnapped numerous wounded Investigators and will be experimenting on them. And finally, Koma and Irimi were last seen headed to V14, where Arima later slaughters a large number of Ghouls. It is unknown whether or not they were among the dead]].
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* ''Manga/{{Arachnid}}'' introduces the protagonist of the ''Caterpillar'' prequel midway through the story only to have her defeated from a backstab soon after. The scene plays out in such a way that the readers couldn't tell for sure if she actually died and then the story completely forgets about her. Furthermore, most of the characters are left for dead by the end of the series. [[spoiler:Japan is put through a ZombieApocalypse spread through rape, with the goal of depopulating the country once all the mindless infected die from starvation. Other than Gokiburi and Kabutomushi the fate of everyone else is left unknown, with a few like Dinoponera, Geji and Kamadouma having been unceremoniously infected offscreen. Even main character Alice was last seen charging alone against the zombie hordes to vent off the stress from all the trauma she endured through the story.]]
6th Jul '16 3:07:56 PM Austin
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* In ''E's Otherwise'', [[spoiler: Kai Kudo]] is not seen alive or dead after the explosion in the final episode.

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* In ''E's Otherwise'', ''Anime/EsOtherwise'', [[spoiler: Kai Kudo]] is not seen alive or dead after the explosion in the final episode.
25th May '16 8:36:06 AM Morgenthaler
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* Often played with Barnaby in the ''Babes in Toyland'' films. In the live action Disney film, he is [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat stabbed by Tom]] and [[DisneyVillainDeath falls from a great height]] into an open toybox, from which he never emerges. The only reason this is debated is because publicity stills show him being forced into a birdcage and imprisoned in it, however, this happens in place of the stabbing in this version so it is an alternate ending. In the animated film, Barnaby Crookedman is last seen being chased by goblins as revenge for insulting their king shortly after his death.

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* Often played with Barnaby in the ''Babes in Toyland'' ''Film/BabesInToyland'' films. In the live action Disney film, he is [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat stabbed by Tom]] and [[DisneyVillainDeath falls from a great height]] into an open toybox, from which he never emerges. The only reason this is debated is because publicity stills show him being forced into a birdcage and imprisoned in it, however, this happens in place of the stabbing in this version so it is an alternate ending. In the animated film, Barnaby Crookedman is last seen being chased by goblins as revenge for insulting their king shortly after his death.
25th May '16 8:35:01 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'': The episode ''Trapped In The Closet'' ends with Stan, after revealing that he ''isn't'' the reincarnation of Creator/LRonHubbard and that "Scientology is just a big, fat, global scam!" getting threatened to be sued by all of his former followers, a threat Stan proudly accepts.

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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'': The episode ''Trapped "Trapped In The Closet'' Closet" ends with Stan, after revealing that he ''isn't'' the reincarnation of Creator/LRonHubbard and that "Scientology is just a big, fat, global scam!" getting threatened to be sued by all of his former followers, a threat Stan proudly accepts.
25th May '16 8:34:42 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/{{Alien}}''. Brett and Dallas are taken by the eponymous monster but we never see them killed nor are their bodies ever found, except in a deleted scene. [[spoiler: Ripley finds them- Dallas is in the process of mutating into an alien egg, and Brett has already nearly finished doing so.]]

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* ''Film/{{Alien}}''. Brett and Dallas are taken by the eponymous monster but we never see them killed nor are their bodies ever found, except in a deleted scene. [[spoiler: Ripley finds them- Dallas is in the process of mutating into an alien egg, and Brett has already nearly finished doing so.]]
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* Often played with Barnaby in the ''Babes in Toyland'' films. In the live action Disney film, he is [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat stabbed by Tom]] and [[DisneyVillainDeath falls from a great height]] into an open toybox, from which he never emerges. The only reason this is debated is because publicity stills show him being forced into a birdcage and imprisoned in it, however, this happens in place of the stabbing in this version so it is an alternate ending. In the animated film, Barnaby Crookedman is last seen being chased by goblins as revenge for insulting their king shortly after his death.
* In ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', Johann Schmidt, the Red Skull, is disintegrated by the tesseract's power and has his remains teleported to another dimension. Although the tesseract burning through the floor of the ship seconds later should serve as an indication to the contrary, there is much speculation that the Red Skull is still alive, and in Asgard somewhere, and will return.
* In ''Film/FlashGordon'', Ming the Merciless is impaled, and disintegrates himself with his ring. However, the final scene shows a hand picking up the ring, with an evil laugh. It is unclear whether this is Ming or someone else entirely; however, it does not look like Ming's hand.
* ''Film/LordOfTheRings'' does not make it clear what happens with the Watcher in the Water after it goes after the fellowship. We see that it tears down the ground, trapping the fellowship in Moria. It isn't clear if the stones crashed it to death, or if it merely stayed behind after trapping the fellowship.



* ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanAtWorldsEnd'' has this with some fish crewmembers of the Flying Dutchman. While majority of the crew regains their humanity and perform HeelFaceTurn once Davy Jones is dead, there were some who fell into the Maelstrom (examples are Clanker, Hadras, and at least two others) and one (Morey) who got decapitated by Barbossa. But knowing the nature of the Flying Dutchman crew, there is a chance they survived.
* Ramses' fate from ''Film/ThePrinceOfEgypt''; the last we see of him is after his army is swept away by the waves. He survives and is stranded on a rock in the middle of the ocean cursing Moses. The implication is he either eventually starved to death or was swept away by the tide.
* The main character of ''Film/EventHorizon'' gets sucked into a Hell dimension along with the titular haunted spaceship.

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* ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanAtWorldsEnd'' has this with some fish crewmembers of the Flying Dutchman. While majority of the crew regains their humanity and perform HeelFaceTurn once Davy Jones is dead, there were some who fell into the Maelstrom (examples are Clanker, Hadras, and at least two others) and one (Morey) who got decapitated by Barbossa. But knowing the nature of the Flying Dutchman crew, there is a chance they survived.
* Ramses' fate from ''Film/ThePrinceOfEgypt''; ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt''; the last we see of him is after his army is swept away by the waves. He survives and is stranded on a rock in the middle of the ocean cursing Moses. The implication is he either eventually starved to death or was swept away by the tide.
* The main character of ''Film/EventHorizon'' gets sucked into a Hell dimension along with the titular haunted spaceship.


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* ''Film/{{Alien}}''. Brett and Dallas are taken by the eponymous monster but we never see them killed nor are their bodies ever found, except in a deleted scene. [[spoiler: Ripley finds them- Dallas is in the process of mutating into an alien egg, and Brett has already nearly finished doing so.]]
* Often played with Barnaby in the ''Babes in Toyland'' films. In the live action Disney film, he is [[NoOneCouldSurviveThat stabbed by Tom]] and [[DisneyVillainDeath falls from a great height]] into an open toybox, from which he never emerges. The only reason this is debated is because publicity stills show him being forced into a birdcage and imprisoned in it, however, this happens in place of the stabbing in this version so it is an alternate ending. In the animated film, Barnaby Crookedman is last seen being chased by goblins as revenge for insulting their king shortly after his death.
* In ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', Johann Schmidt, the Red Skull, is disintegrated by the tesseract's power and has his remains teleported to another dimension. Although the tesseract burning through the floor of the ship seconds later should serve as an indication to the contrary, there is much speculation that the Red Skull is still alive, and in Asgard somewhere, and will return.
* In ''Film/FlashGordon'', Ming the Merciless is impaled, and disintegrates himself with his ring. However, the final scene shows a hand picking up the ring, with an evil laugh. It is unclear whether this is Ming or someone else entirely; however, it does not look like Ming's hand.
* ''Film/LordOfTheRings'' does not make it clear what happens with the Watcher in the Water after it goes after the fellowship. We see that it tears down the ground, trapping the fellowship in Moria. It isn't clear if the stones crashed it to death, or if it merely stayed behind after trapping the fellowship.
* ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanAtWorldsEnd'' has this with some fish crewmembers of the Flying Dutchman. While majority of the crew regains their humanity and perform HeelFaceTurn once Davy Jones is dead, there were some who fell into the Maelstrom (examples are Clanker, Hadras, and at least two others) and one (Morey) who got decapitated by Barbossa. But knowing the nature of the Flying Dutchman crew, there is a chance they survived.
* The main character of ''Film/EventHorizon'' gets sucked into a Hell dimension along with the titular haunted spaceship.

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25th May '16 8:33:14 AM Morgenthaler
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22nd May '16 7:55:38 PM Sammettik
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** In the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 Season 2 finale]], Queen Chrysalis and her changeling army are sent flying over the edge of Canterlot, basically over a mountain, by Shining Armor and Princess Cadance, the force of their attack leaving Chrysalis flailing helplessly unable to use her wings. Due to love for the character, her fall being a ShoutOut to Team Rocket from ''Pokemon'', and speculation that she might have still used her wings, however, so many fans believe she survived that "Is Chrysalis dead" posts are rare. She [[NoOneShouldSurviveThat is shown to survive in the comics]], although many take them as non-canon, leaving her final fate in the show up for debate.
** Subverted with King Sombra in ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E2TheCrystalEmpirePart2 the Season 3 premier]]''. When King Sombra is [[LiterallyShatteredLives shattered to pieces]] by Princess Cadance and the crystal ponies, a shot of his horn is seen leading many to believe that he survived and will regenerate from his horn, as he was earlier shown regenerating his horn itself when it was amputated. Meghan [=McCarthy=], however, confirmed that Sombra was KilledOffForReal. [[spoiler: He does show up in the comic books, but they mostly follow their own canon.]]

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** In the [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E26ACanterlotWeddingPart2 Season 2 finale]], Queen Chrysalis and her changeling army are sent flying over the edge of Canterlot, basically over a mountain, by Shining Armor and Princess Cadance, the force of their attack leaving Chrysalis flailing helplessly unable to use her wings. Due to love for the character, her fall being a ShoutOut to Team Rocket from ''Pokemon'', and speculation that she might have still used her wings, however, so many fans believe she survived that "Is Chrysalis dead" posts are rare. She [[NoOneShouldSurviveThat is shown to survive in the comics]], although many take them as non-canon, leaving her final fate in the show up for debate.
** Subverted with King Sombra in ''[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E2TheCrystalEmpirePart2 the Season 3 premier]]''. When King Sombra is [[LiterallyShatteredLives shattered to pieces]] by Princess Cadance and the crystal ponies, a shot of his horn is seen leading many to believe that he survived and will regenerate from his horn, as he was earlier shown regenerating his horn itself when it was amputated. Though Meghan [=McCarthy=], however, confirmed [=McCarthy=] claimed that Sombra was KilledOffForReal. [[spoiler: He does show up in the comic books, but they mostly follow their own canon.]]KilledOffForReal, Sombra was ultimately brought back anyway (and given a HeelFaceTurn to boot!)
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