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20th Aug '16 4:03:48 PM Hemma
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'': The first animated {{sitcom}}, and still early among sitcoms in general, broke down some conventions of later animated and live-action sitcoms. The series diverted from the contemporary setting, and [[RecycledInSpace recycled it in the Stone Age]]. They were probably the first primetime TV series [[SleepingSingle where a couple shared a bed]].
11th Aug '16 1:08:50 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' is one of the first shooters on the Xbox console, and the {{Trope Maker|s}} for several first person shooter cliches. However both the games and the expanded universe are far more serious then you'd expect from a Sci-Fi FPS. Many of the aliens you fight are not actually malicious, but rather [[PunchClockVillain trying to stay safe from the Prophets]]. Nearly every game has a BittersweetEnding, with Master Chief losing his friends and allies. ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' even [[spoiler: ends with almost the entire team dead, including ''you'']]. The "good guys" are willing to kidnap children and forcefully make them {{Super Soldier}}s, and the psychological effects of warfare are addressed. Most victories come from lucky flukes (Like [[EnemyCivilWar the Elites starting a rebellion against the Covenant]]). The ExpandedUniverse also shows that having a OneManArmy on your side is little consolation when your enemy can [[OrbitalBombardment glass planets]].

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* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' is one of the first shooters on the Xbox console, and the {{Trope Maker|s}} for several first person shooter cliches. However both the games and the expanded universe are far more serious then you'd expect from a Sci-Fi FPS. Many of the aliens you fight are not actually malicious, but rather simply trying to [[PunchClockVillain trying to stay safe from the not get in trouble with their Prophets]]. Nearly every game has a BittersweetEnding, with Master Chief losing his friends and allies. ''VideoGame/HaloReach'' even [[spoiler: ends with almost the entire team dead, including ''you'']]. The "good guys" are willing to kidnap children and forcefully make them {{Super Soldier}}s, and the psychological effects of warfare are addressed. Most victories come from lucky flukes (Like [[EnemyCivilWar the Elites starting a rebellion against the Covenant]]). The ExpandedUniverse also shows that having a OneManArmy on your side is little consolation when your enemy can [[OrbitalBombardment glass planets]].
10th Aug '16 7:51:12 PM pretzelbetty
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* ''Manga/UruseiYatsura'' predates both the MagicalGirlfriend genre and the HaremGenre as we know them, but looks like a parody of both genres now that they're established. Ataru is a {{Jerkass}} HaremSeeker and unabashed pervert who wants every girl ''except'' the one girl who can actually stand him, and the number two girl actually does the smart thing and books out of their relationship fairly early rather than putting up with Ataru's games. On Lum's part, she likes him being lecherous but wants a bit of that lechery for herself, is a hot-tempered woman who's not above using ShockAndAwe to punish him when his gaze strays too far, and from Ataru's perspective, is more of [[CantLiveWithThemCantLiveWithoutThem a pain in the ass]] than an actual {{Love Interest|s}}, at least at first.

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* ''Manga/UruseiYatsura'' predates both the MagicalGirlfriend genre and the HaremGenre as we know them, but looks like a parody of both genres now that they're established. Ataru is a {{Jerkass}} HaremSeeker and unabashed pervert who wants every girl ''except'' the one girl who can actually stand him, and the number two girl actually does the smart thing and books out of their relationship fairly early rather than putting up with Ataru's games. On Lum's part, she likes him being lecherous but wants a bit of that lechery for herself, is a hot-tempered woman who's not above using ShockAndAwe to punish him when his gaze strays too far, and from Ataru's perspective, perspective is more of [[CantLiveWithThemCantLiveWithoutThem a pain in the ass]] than an actual {{Love Interest|s}}, at least at first.



** Jesus's parable of the Rich Man of Lazarus is an ancient JacobMarleyWarning. The rich man tormented in Hell requests Abraham (a stand-in for God) to send Lazarus to warn his living family. Abraham ''refuses'' to send any message to the living, since those who didn't follow the prophets, would not pay heed even if a man came BackFromTheDead. This parable [[{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadows]] Christ's later returns from the dead, to propagate his message.

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** Jesus's parable of the Rich Man of Lazarus is an ancient JacobMarleyWarning. The rich man tormented in Hell requests Abraham (a stand-in for God) to send Lazarus to warn his living family. Abraham ''refuses'' to send any message to the living, since those who didn't follow the prophets, prophets would not pay heed even if a man came BackFromTheDead. This parable [[{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadows]] Christ's later returns from the dead, to propagate his message.



*** Related with that is Jesus' concept of being saved. Most Christian sects and to a degree so many Catholics believe that because Jesus Christ died to save man from his sins, so long as they are Christians they will be saved. However the New Testament mentions so many times that Jesus states that "hypocritical believers" were never accepted by him and often he mentions how even true believers will face terrible wraith for their sins by his second coming. He mentions many times so many criteria that have to be followed to not only be saved but even be qualified to believe him. Even in the case where he forgave individuals, he often gave a warning if they repeat their sins again, the Father will invoke his wraith and Jesus gave on several occasions duty for sinners to cleanse themselves of past sins. There are a few quotes in the New Testament about specific sins being so evil that even nonbelievers are deemed by Jesus Christ as far worthier.
*** The story about Jesus getting enraged and chasing out merchants out of the temple is the one story that shocks mainstream Christians and nonbelievers the most. Jesus in addition to the modern interpretation of being a suicidal pacifist, being lenient about sins and forgiving you easily so long as you believe, and seeking to save everyone in the end, is often portrayed as even in the worst of times as being optimistic and tranquil in modern interpretations and opinion. So when Christians and nonbelievers come across Jesus's cleansing of the temple, it is completely unexpected and makes many doubt the validity of their specific Church's doctrine. Those already familiar with the story too can be surprised that Jesus didn't just chased the merchants out, he actually made a whip out of chords and was violently hitting merchants and even customers as he chased them away from the Synagogue. A disciplined man who is willing to sacrifice his life for mankind Jesus was, but even he has his breaking limits and was not above using physical violence and rage for what was deemed as justice according to Jewish customs at the time.

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*** Related with that is Jesus' concept of being saved. Most Christian sects and to a degree so many Catholics believe that because Jesus Christ died to save man from his sins, so long as they are Christians they will be saved. However the New Testament mentions so many times that Jesus states that "hypocritical believers" were never accepted by him and often he mentions how even true believers will face terrible wraith for their sins by his second coming. He mentions many times so many criteria that have to be followed to not only be saved but even be qualified to believe him. Even in the case where he forgave individuals, he often gave a warning if they repeat their sins again, the Father will invoke his wraith wrath and Jesus gave on several occasions duty for sinners to cleanse themselves of past sins. There are a few quotes in the New Testament about specific sins being so evil that even nonbelievers are deemed by Jesus Christ as far worthier.
*** The story about Jesus getting enraged and chasing out merchants out of the temple is the one story that shocks mainstream Christians and nonbelievers the most. Jesus in addition to the modern interpretation of being a suicidal pacifist, being lenient about sins and forgiving you easily so long as you believe, and seeking to save everyone in the end, is often portrayed as even in the worst of times as being optimistic and tranquil in modern interpretations and opinion. So when Christians and nonbelievers come across Jesus's cleansing of the temple, it is completely unexpected and makes many doubt the validity of their specific Church's doctrine. Those already familiar with the story too can be surprised that Jesus didn't just chased chase the merchants out, out; he actually made a whip out of chords and was violently hitting merchants and even customers as he chased them away from the Synagogue. A disciplined man who is willing to sacrifice his life for mankind Jesus was, but even he has his breaking limits and was not above using physical violence and rage for what was deemed as justice according to Jewish customs at the time.
9th Aug '16 10:10:35 AM AnotherGuy
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* 1939's ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'' popularized, if not introduced, the visual effect of portraying mundane life in monochrome or bland lighting and using lush color to present the more exciting and wonderful world of freedom and adventure. However, most later films and commercials that use the technique don't center the plot around a protagonist who specifically desires to return to her relatively uneventful and colorless life in the end.

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* 1939's ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'' popularized, if not introduced, the visual effect of portraying mundane life in monochrome or bland lighting and using lush color to present the more exciting and wonderful world of freedom and adventure. In reality, it was just being faithful to the Frank L. Baum book which described Kansas as being completely "gray". However, most later films and commercials that use the technique don't center the plot around a protagonist who specifically desires to return to her relatively uneventful and colorless life in the end.
30th Jul '16 3:28:35 PM Dechstreme
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** Similarly, Cloud is credited with kicking off the tendency for JRPG leads to be amnesiac and/or {{phlebotinum rebel}}s, but he actually reads like a deconstruction of how those tropes usually go down. His memories are screwed up, but when the truth comes out, rather than turning out to be some sort of plot-relevant badass, he was a {{mook|s}} before the plot went down. He got experimented on, which gave him the SuperSoldier augmentations that allow him to wield his preferred weapon type properly, but also fed into his delusion that he was the experienced badass he presented himself as instead of the common nobody grunt he actually was. The cost of the augmentations was deteriorating mental health that later became outright insanity because of the psycho-emotional trauma he endured, and the ability to be mind-controlled by the BigBad. Contrast with Tifa, a [[CharlesAtlasSuperPower super powerful martial artist]] that wasn't augmented at all and seems like she can more than match the augmented SOLDIER members, and it just seems that the cost for the abilities Cloud wanted for years just weren't worth the suffering he had to go through in the first place. And his amnesia? His memories weren't rewritten by the BigBad at all. He did it to himself as a coping mechanism for all the trauma he had to endure for four years, capped with the death of his best friend before either could reach Midgar. [[Understatement Yeah, Cloud was a mess.]]

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** Similarly, Cloud is credited with kicking off the tendency for JRPG leads to be amnesiac and/or {{phlebotinum rebel}}s, but he actually reads like a deconstruction of how those tropes usually go down. His memories are screwed up, but when the truth comes out, rather than turning out to be some sort of plot-relevant badass, he was a {{mook|s}} before the plot went down. He got experimented on, which gave him the SuperSoldier augmentations that allow him to wield his preferred weapon type properly, but also fed into his delusion that he was the experienced badass he presented himself as instead of the common nobody grunt he actually was. The cost of the augmentations was deteriorating mental health that later became outright insanity because of the psycho-emotional trauma he endured, and the ability to be mind-controlled by the BigBad. Contrast with Tifa, a [[CharlesAtlasSuperPower super powerful martial artist]] that wasn't augmented at all and seems like she can more than match the augmented SOLDIER members, and it just seems that the cost for the abilities Cloud wanted for years just weren't worth the suffering he had to go through in the first place. And his amnesia? His memories weren't rewritten by the BigBad at all. He did it to himself as a coping mechanism for all the trauma he had to endure for four years, capped with the death of his best friend before either could reach Midgar. [[Understatement [[{{Understatement}} Yeah, Cloud was a mess.]]
30th Jul '16 3:27:16 PM Dechstreme
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** Similarly, Cloud is credited with kicking off the tendency for JRPG leads to be amnesiac and/or {{phlebotinum rebel}}s, but he actually reads like a deconstruction of how those tropes usually go down. His memories are screwed up, but when the truth comes out, rather than turning out to be some sort of plot-relevant badass, he was a {{mook|s}} before the plot went down. He got experimented on, which gave him the SuperSoldier augmentations that allow him to wield his preferred weapon type properly, but also fed into his delusion that he was the experienced badass he presented himself as. The cost was deteriorating mental health that later became outright insanity, and the ability to be mind-controlled by the BigBad. Contrast with Tifa, a [[CharlesAtlasSuperPower super powerful martial artist]] that wasn't augmented at all and seems like she can more than match the augmented SOLDIER members, and it just seems that the cost for the abilities Cloud wanted for years just weren't worth the suffering he had to go through in the first place. And his amnesia? His memories weren't rewritten by the BigBad at all. He did it to himself as a coping mechanism for all the trauma he had to endure for four years, capped with the death of his best friend before either could reach Midgar.

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** Similarly, Cloud is credited with kicking off the tendency for JRPG leads to be amnesiac and/or {{phlebotinum rebel}}s, but he actually reads like a deconstruction of how those tropes usually go down. His memories are screwed up, but when the truth comes out, rather than turning out to be some sort of plot-relevant badass, he was a {{mook|s}} before the plot went down. He got experimented on, which gave him the SuperSoldier augmentations that allow him to wield his preferred weapon type properly, but also fed into his delusion that he was the experienced badass he presented himself as. as instead of the common nobody grunt he actually was. The cost of the augmentations was deteriorating mental health that later became outright insanity, insanity because of the psycho-emotional trauma he endured, and the ability to be mind-controlled by the BigBad. Contrast with Tifa, a [[CharlesAtlasSuperPower super powerful martial artist]] that wasn't augmented at all and seems like she can more than match the augmented SOLDIER members, and it just seems that the cost for the abilities Cloud wanted for years just weren't worth the suffering he had to go through in the first place. And his amnesia? His memories weren't rewritten by the BigBad at all. He did it to himself as a coping mechanism for all the trauma he had to endure for four years, capped with the death of his best friend before either could reach Midgar. [[Understatement Yeah, Cloud was a mess.]]
30th Jul '16 1:09:01 PM Kuruni
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** To a modern reader, Rorschach feels like a deconstruction of the NinetiesAntiHero, when he was largely the inspiration for many DarkerAndEdgier heroes whose creators [[MisaimedFandom missed the point]]--namely that Rorscharch is a deranged sociopath with a child's grasp of right and wrong, and that he's kind of incompetent: he loses in a fight against the police, gets caught and unmasked, and fails to solve the mystery because of his EntertaininglyWrong conclusions; it's the more BoringButPractical-minded Nite Owl who actually manages to take them to the bad guy's lair. Creator/AlanMoore is bemused that so many people consider what he thought was Rorscharch's unattractive qualities--his paranoia, his propensity for violence and self-righteousness--heroic rather than tragic.
*** It's worth noting, though, that ComicBook/ThePunisher had already been created in 1974, and he had been gaining prominence in the early 1980s, with his first solo miniseries ending a few months before the first issue of ''Watchmen'' came out. So it's not hard to see Rorshach as an early deconstruction of the Punisher, even though the Punisher didn't reach the height of his popularity until the early 1990s.

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** To a modern reader, Rorschach feels like a deconstruction of the NinetiesAntiHero, when he was largely the inspiration for many DarkerAndEdgier heroes whose creators [[MisaimedFandom missed the point]]--namely that Rorscharch is a deranged sociopath with a child's grasp of right and wrong, and that he's kind of incompetent: he loses in a fight against the police, gets caught and unmasked, and fails to solve the mystery because of his EntertaininglyWrong conclusions; it's the more BoringButPractical-minded Nite Owl who actually manages to take them to the bad guy's lair. Creator/AlanMoore is bemused that so many people consider what he thought was Rorscharch's unattractive qualities--his paranoia, his propensity for violence and self-righteousness--heroic rather than tragic.
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It's worth noting, though, that ComicBook/ThePunisher had already been created in 1974, and he had been gaining prominence in the early 1980s, with his first solo miniseries ending a few months before the first issue of ''Watchmen'' came out. So it's not hard to see Rorshach as an early deconstruction of the Punisher, even though the Punisher didn't reach the height of his popularity until the early 1990s.



*** Its predecessor, the German film Das Millionenspiel (1971), turns the manhunt into a regular and voluntary event, with the production team trying to keep things interesting by helping the side at disadvantage off-camera to get a climatic showdown. During the show, the candidate for the next run is already revealed and interviewed. Unlike following films the hunt itself is neither questioned nor fought against by the participants (although it's shown to be controversial).

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*** ** Its predecessor, the German film Das Millionenspiel (1971), turns the manhunt into a regular and voluntary event, with the production team trying to keep things interesting by helping the side at disadvantage off-camera to get a climatic showdown. During the show, the candidate for the next run is already revealed and interviewed. Unlike following films the hunt itself is neither questioned nor fought against by the participants (although it's shown to be controversial).



** Similarly, Cloud is credited with kicking off the tendency for JRPG leads to be amnesiac and/or {{phlebotinum rebel}}s, but he actually reads like a deconstruction of how those tropes usually go down. His memories are screwed up, but when the truth comes out, rather than turning out to be some sort of plot-relevant badass, he was a {{mook|s}} before the plot went down. He got experimented on, which gave him the SuperSoldier augmentations that allow him to wield his preferred weapon type properly, but also fed into his delusion that he was the experienced badass he presented himself as. The cost was deteriorating mental health that later became outright insanity, and the ability to be mind-controlled by the BigBad. Contrast with Tifa, a [[CharlesAtlasSuperPower super powerful martial artist]] that wasn't augmented at all and seems like she can more than match the augmented SOLDIER members, and it just seems that the cost for the abilities Cloud wanted for years just weren't worth the suffering he had to go through in the first place.
*** And his amnesia? His memories weren't rewritten by the BigBad at all. He did it to himself as a coping mechanism for all the trauma he had to endure for four years, capped with the death of his best friend before either could reach Midgar.

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** Similarly, Cloud is credited with kicking off the tendency for JRPG leads to be amnesiac and/or {{phlebotinum rebel}}s, but he actually reads like a deconstruction of how those tropes usually go down. His memories are screwed up, but when the truth comes out, rather than turning out to be some sort of plot-relevant badass, he was a {{mook|s}} before the plot went down. He got experimented on, which gave him the SuperSoldier augmentations that allow him to wield his preferred weapon type properly, but also fed into his delusion that he was the experienced badass he presented himself as. The cost was deteriorating mental health that later became outright insanity, and the ability to be mind-controlled by the BigBad. Contrast with Tifa, a [[CharlesAtlasSuperPower super powerful martial artist]] that wasn't augmented at all and seems like she can more than match the augmented SOLDIER members, and it just seems that the cost for the abilities Cloud wanted for years just weren't worth the suffering he had to go through in the first place. \n*** And his amnesia? His memories weren't rewritten by the BigBad at all. He did it to himself as a coping mechanism for all the trauma he had to endure for four years, capped with the death of his best friend before either could reach Midgar.
30th Jul '16 12:14:39 PM Dechstreme
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** Similarly, Cloud is credited with kicking off the tendency for JRPG leads to be amnesiac and/or {{phlebotinum rebel}}s, but he actually reads like a deconstruction of how those tropes usually go down. His memories are screwed up, but when the truth comes out, rather than turning out to be some sort of plot-relevant badass, he was a {{mook|s}} before the plot went down. He got experimented on, which gave him the SuperSoldier augmentations that allow him to wield his preferred weapon type properly and also feed into his self deluded ruse that he was the badass he said he was, but at the cost of deteriorating mental health that later became outright insanity, and the ability to be mind-controlled by the BigBad. Contrast with Tifa, a super powerful martial artist that wasn't augmented at all and seems like she can more than match the augmented SOLDIER members, and it just seems that the cost for the abilities Cloud wanted for years just weren't worth the suffering he had to go through in the first place.

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** Similarly, Cloud is credited with kicking off the tendency for JRPG leads to be amnesiac and/or {{phlebotinum rebel}}s, but he actually reads like a deconstruction of how those tropes usually go down. His memories are screwed up, but when the truth comes out, rather than turning out to be some sort of plot-relevant badass, he was a {{mook|s}} before the plot went down. He got experimented on, which gave him the SuperSoldier augmentations that allow him to wield his preferred weapon type properly and properly, but also feed fed into his self deluded ruse delusion that he was the experienced badass he said he was, but at the presented himself as. The cost of was deteriorating mental health that later became outright insanity, and the ability to be mind-controlled by the BigBad. Contrast with Tifa, a [[CharlesAtlasSuperPower super powerful martial artist artist]] that wasn't augmented at all and seems like she can more than match the augmented SOLDIER members, and it just seems that the cost for the abilities Cloud wanted for years just weren't worth the suffering he had to go through in the first place.place.
***And his amnesia? His memories weren't rewritten by the BigBad at all. He did it to himself as a coping mechanism for all the trauma he had to endure for four years, capped with the death of his best friend before either could reach Midgar.
30th Jul '16 10:36:50 AM Dechstreme
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** Similarly, Cloud is credited with kicking off the tendency for JRPG leads to be amnesiac and/or {{phlebotinum rebel}}s, but he actually reads like a deconstruction of how those tropes usually go down. His memories are screwed up, but when the truth comes out, rather than turning out to be some sort of plot-relevant badass, he was a {{mook|s}} before the plot went down. He got experimented on, but rather than nifty powers, he got insanity and the ability to be mind-controlled by the BigBad.

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** Similarly, Cloud is credited with kicking off the tendency for JRPG leads to be amnesiac and/or {{phlebotinum rebel}}s, but he actually reads like a deconstruction of how those tropes usually go down. His memories are screwed up, but when the truth comes out, rather than turning out to be some sort of plot-relevant badass, he was a {{mook|s}} before the plot went down. He got experimented on, which gave him the SuperSoldier augmentations that allow him to wield his preferred weapon type properly and also feed into his self deluded ruse that he was the badass he said he was, but rather than nifty powers, he got insanity at the cost of deteriorating mental health that later became outright insanity, and the ability to be mind-controlled by the BigBad.BigBad. Contrast with Tifa, a super powerful martial artist that wasn't augmented at all and seems like she can more than match the augmented SOLDIER members, and it just seems that the cost for the abilities Cloud wanted for years just weren't worth the suffering he had to go through in the first place.
30th Jul '16 10:28:02 AM Kuruni
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*** Well, he DID get nifty powers; he wouldn't be able to swing his preferred weapon type if the SOLDIER type augmentations done on his body weren't successful in turning him into a SuperSoldier. But they also come with so much baggage as explained above that they almost don't seem to be worth it.
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