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11th Feb '17 4:25:28 PM Eievie
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One generation back there was a LoveTriangle. Now the [[RomanticRunnerUp losing party]] meets[[labelnote:*]]"Meets" is an important component, since usually it's a sudden development for which the character is not prepared.[[/labelnote]] -- and has to interact with -- the child of the other two. This causes [[{{Conflict}} emotional chaos]]. The character loses the ability to act calmly (or even adequately) whenever a situation arises related to the kid. The effect is greater when the loser is an otherwise calm, MagnificentBastard or [[IdealHero flawless hero]] proven NotSoStoic and NotSoAboveItAll.

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->''"[W]hen we were both young, I was fond of your father and he of me. Under other circumstances, you might have been our son."''
-->--'''Trishien''', ''Literature/ChroniclesOfTheKencyrath''

One generation back there was a LoveTriangle. Now the [[RomanticRunnerUp losing party]] meets[[labelnote:*]]"Meets" meets[[note]]"Meets" is an important component, since usually it's a sudden development for which the character is not prepared.[[/labelnote]] [[/note]] -- and has to interact with -- the child of the other two. This causes [[{{Conflict}} emotional chaos]]. The character loses the ability to act calmly (or even adequately) whenever a situation arises related to the kid. The effect is greater when the loser is an otherwise calm, MagnificentBastard or [[IdealHero flawless hero]] proven NotSoStoic and NotSoAboveItAll.









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* ''Literature/WarriorCats'': [[DoggedNiceGuy Ashfur]] was in love with Squirrelflight, who ended up dumping him in favor of Brambleclaw. [[VillainousBreakdown Ashfur had some problems accepting this.]] He even arranged to have Squirrelflight's father killed so she'd feel the same pain he did. The attempt failed though, and Ashfur was never suspected for the attempted murder for a while. He eventually received an apprentice, though, who managed to flare up his issues all over again by being [[spoiler:(supposedly)]] Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw's son, a living reminder of the mate he couldn't have and the future he was denied. They don't get along. While they are never outwardly rude to each other, Ashfur mostly gives Lionpaw the cold shoulder and doesn't try to bond with his apprentice the way all the other mentors do. When Lionpaw demands more intense training, Ashfur takes this request very specifically...by unsheathing his claws and fighting Lionpaw as if it were a real battle. Ashfur is eager to finish Lionpaw's apprentice training quickly so that they won't have to see each other eye-to-eye anymore.

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* ''Literature/WarriorCats'': [[DoggedNiceGuy Ashfur]] was in love with Squirrelflight, who ended up dumping him in favor of Brambleclaw. [[VillainousBreakdown Ashfur had some problems accepting this.]] He even arranged to have Squirrelflight's father killed so she'd feel the same pain he did. The attempt failed though, and Ashfur was never suspected for the attempted murder for a while. He eventually received an apprentice, though, who managed to flare up his issues all over again by being [[spoiler:(supposedly)]] Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw's son, a living reminder of the mate he couldn't have and the future he was denied. They don't get along. While they are never outwardly rude to each other, Ashfur mostly gives Lionpaw the cold shoulder and doesn't try to bond with his apprentice the way all the other mentors do. When Lionpaw demands more intense training, Ashfur takes this request very specifically... by unsheathing his claws and fighting Lionpaw as if it were a real battle. Ashfur is eager to finish Lionpaw's apprentice training quickly so that they won't have to see each other eye-to-eye anymore.



* From ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': in the first book, preteen Sansa Stark meets Petyr Baelish, the UnluckyChildhoodFriend of Sansa's mother Catelyn...whom Sansa ''greatly'' resembles. He creeps her out in their initial meeting by pointing this out and touching her hair, and things only get squickier from there. The [[ReplacementGoldfish creepiness of the relationship]] isn't helped by the fact that she goes into hiding [[WifeHusbandry posing as his daughter and learning politics at his side.]]

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* From ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': in the first book, preteen Sansa Stark meets Petyr Baelish, the UnluckyChildhoodFriend of Sansa's mother Catelyn... whom Sansa ''greatly'' resembles. He creeps her out in their initial meeting by pointing this out and touching her hair, and things only get squickier from there. The [[ReplacementGoldfish creepiness of the relationship]] isn't helped by the fact that she goes into hiding [[WifeHusbandry posing as his daughter and learning politics at his side.]]



* Monica Furlong's ''Wise Child'' invokes and averts a rare gender-flipped example. The town witch Juniper takes a mysterious liking to and volunteers to take in the titular Wise Child after her grandmother dies and she's left with a literal case of ParentalAbandonment. Wise Child later discovers that Juniper and her father had been in love, but her VainSorceress mother "[[MoreThanMindControl persuaded]]" him that he loved her instead. Both mother and daughter think that Juniper took Wise Child in and works her to the bone due to this trope. Juniper later assures Wise Child that she bears her no ill-will (though she is understandably frosty about Maeve), that she loves her like a daughter and that she works her hard only because she believes MiseryBuildsCharacter.

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* Monica Furlong's ''Wise Child'' invokes and averts a rare gender-flipped example. The town witch Juniper takes a mysterious liking to and volunteers to take in the titular Wise Child after her grandmother dies and she's left with a literal case of ParentalAbandonment. Wise Child later discovers that Juniper and her father had been in love, but her VainSorceress mother "[[MoreThanMindControl persuaded]]" [[MoreThanMindControl "persuaded"]] him that he loved her instead. Both mother and daughter think that Juniper took Wise Child in and works her to the bone due to this trope. Juniper later assures Wise Child that she bears her no ill-will (though she is understandably frosty about Maeve), that she loves her like a daughter and that she works her hard only because she believes MiseryBuildsCharacter.






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* Played with in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse''. The Pearl/Rose/Greg LoveTriangle in the backstory, with Pearl now raising Rose and Greg's child, would be a perfect setup for this, was it not for the fact that Pearl loves and is an excellent guardian to Steven. However, she still clearly has some unresolved issues about it - she [[WrongNameOutburst accidentally refers to Steven as Rose at one point]], and the episode [[Recap/StevenUniverseS1E45RosesScabbard "Rose's Scabbard"]] is in fact entirely devoted to exploring this trope. The show makes it clear that despite her love for Steven, Pearl is still grieving Rose, and it is [[spoiler:not until season 3 that she begins trying to make peace with Greg]].

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* Played with in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse''. The Pearl/Rose/Greg LoveTriangle in the backstory, with Pearl now raising Rose and Greg's child, would be a perfect setup for this, was it not for the fact that Pearl loves and is an excellent guardian to Steven. However, she still clearly has some unresolved issues about it - she it--she [[WrongNameOutburst accidentally refers to Steven as Rose at one point]], and the episode [[Recap/StevenUniverseS1E45RosesScabbard "Rose's Scabbard"]] is in fact entirely devoted to exploring this trope. The show makes it clear that despite her love for Steven, Pearl is still grieving Rose, and it is [[spoiler:not until season 3 that she begins trying to make peace with Greg]].
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21st Dec '16 1:55:54 PM DrOO7
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** ''Series/GeneralHospital'': Scott's wife Laura ditched him for Luke and they ran off together. Years later when the couple returned to town, Scott's first reaction upon seeing them, as well as their son Lucky, was to punch Luke out, clearly still angry despite all the time that had passed as well as several relationships and marriages for him. Nearly all of Scott's subsequent scenes with Luke and Laura's children have had an undercurrent of sadness and resentment that they aren't ''his'' children with her.
*** Carly, Courtney, and Sam are all jealous and resentful of the fact that Liz has Jason's baby, even though Sam herself did too, as the child is clearly a reminder that Jason loved Liz as much (or possible even more) as them.

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** ''Series/GeneralHospital'': Scott's wife Laura ditched him for Luke and they ran off together. Years later when the couple returned to town, Scott's first reaction upon seeing them, as well as their son Lucky, was to punch Luke out, clearly still angry despite all the time that had passed as well as several relationships and marriages for him. Nearly To this day, nearly all of Scott's subsequent scenes with Luke and Laura's children have had an undercurrent of sadness and resentment that they aren't ''his'' children with her.
*** Carly, Courtney, and Sam are all jealous and resentful of the fact that Liz has had Jason's baby, child, even though Sam herself did too, as the child is clearly a reminder that Jason loved Liz as much (or possible even more) as them.




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* In the miniseries ''Queen'' (the story of Alex Haley's paternal grandmother), the titular character is the result of her white father's (consensual) relationship with one of his female slaves. His wife resents the girl all of her life and when she finally leaves when freed after the Civil War, bitterly tells her husband, "I'm glad she's gone. Because everytime I looked at her, I had to remember that you loved another woman more than me."
21st Dec '16 11:37:33 AM DrOO7
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* ''Series/AllMyChildren'': Brooke's reaction upon meeting her ex-husband Adam's son with his new wife Dixie. Especially since she and Adam had struggled to conceive and the resulting strain contributed to his affair with Dixie.
** A bit of LaserGuidedKarma years later when Brooke took up with Dixie's ex Tad and got pregnant by him. When Tad was supposedly killed in an explosion, Dixie was forced to accept that ''she'' wouldn't have SomeoneToRememberHimBy--Brooke would.

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* A standard SoapOpera trope. Even if a couple can reconcile after infidelity, the resulting child often serves as a painful reminder.
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''Series/AllMyChildren'': Brooke's reaction upon meeting her ex-husband Adam's son with his new wife Dixie. Especially since she and Adam had struggled to conceive and the resulting strain contributed to his affair with Dixie.
** *** A bit of LaserGuidedKarma years later when Brooke took up with Dixie's ex Tad and got pregnant by him. When Tad was supposedly killed in an explosion, Dixie was forced to accept that ''she'' wouldn't have SomeoneToRememberHimBy--Brooke would.would.
** ''Series/GeneralHospital'': Scott's wife Laura ditched him for Luke and they ran off together. Years later when the couple returned to town, Scott's first reaction upon seeing them, as well as their son Lucky, was to punch Luke out, clearly still angry despite all the time that had passed as well as several relationships and marriages for him. Nearly all of Scott's subsequent scenes with Luke and Laura's children have had an undercurrent of sadness and resentment that they aren't ''his'' children with her.
*** Carly, Courtney, and Sam are all jealous and resentful of the fact that Liz has Jason's baby, even though Sam herself did too, as the child is clearly a reminder that Jason loved Liz as much (or possible even more) as them.
*** Speaking of Jason, this was averted with him himself--he is the result of his father Alan's extramarital affair with his mother. However, when his mother was murdered, his father's wife not only accepted that it was necessary that they take the child him, she grew to love him as if he were her own, even eventually adopting him.
*** Played straight with Jason's brother AJ, who for years was believed to be the result of his ''mother's'' extramarital affair. As such, her husband Alan resented the child and shunned him. By the time it was discovered that AJ was Alan's child after all, crucial bonding time had been lost and the two were never able to repair their damaged relationship.
** ''Series/TheYoungAndTheRestless'': Jack Abbott's ex Diane frequently used their son Kyle to drive a wedge between him and wife Phyllis. It didn't help that their marriage was already strained by Phyllis' infertility.



* ''Series/GeneralHospital'' Scott's wife Laura ditched him for Luke and they ran off together. Years later when the couple returned to town, Scott's first reaction upon seeing them, as well as their son Lucky, was to punch Luke out, clearly still angry despite all the time that had passed as well as several relationships and marriages for him. Nearly all of Scott's subsequent scenes with Luke and Laura's children have had an undercurrent of sadness and resentment that they aren't ''his'' children with her.
** Carly, Courtney, and Sam are all jealous and resentful of the fact that Liz has Jason's baby, even though Sam herself did too, as the child is clearly a reminder that Jason loved Liz as much (or possible even more) as them.
** Speaking of Jason, this was averted with him himself--he is the result of his father Alan's extramarital affair with his mother. However, when his mother was murdered, his father's wife not only accepted that it was necessary that they take the child him, she grew to love him as if he were her own, even eventually adopting him.
** Played straight with Jason's brother AJ, who for years was believed to be the result of his ''mother's'' extramarital affair. As such, her husband Alan resented the child and shunned him. By the time it was discovered that AJ was Alan's child after all, crucial bonding time had been lost and the two were never able to repair their damaged relationship.
* Just a standard SoapOpera trope all around. Even if a couple can reconcile after infidelity, the resulting child always serves as a painful reminder.
19th Nov '16 7:11:44 PM DrOO7
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** Speaking of Jason, this was averted with him himself--he is the result of his father Alan's extramarital affair with his mother. However, when his mother was murdered, his father's wife not only accepted that it was necessary that they take the child him, she grew to love him as if he were her own, even eventually adopting him.
** Played straight with Jason's brother AJ, who for years was believed to be the result of his ''mother's'' extramarital affair. As such, her husband Alan resented the child and shunned him. By the time it was discovered that AJ was Alan's child after all, crucial bonding time had been lost and the two were never able to repair their damaged relationship.
* Just a standard SoapOpera trope all around. Even if a couple can reconcile after infidelity, the resulting child always serves as a painful reminder.
2nd Nov '16 2:07:22 AM leraluna
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* The source of [[Literature/WutheringHeights Heathcliff]]'s dislike for Catherine (II) is that she's the living proof that Catherine married someone else. Being his beloved Cathy's daughter doesn't spare her from his wrath, since she is most of all ''Edgar's'' daughter and takes strongly after him. Also, [[MaternalDeathBlameTheChild Cathy died by giving birth to said daughter]].
28th Oct '16 2:12:44 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''Songs and Swords'' ForgottenRealms novels: Elaith Craulnober and Arilyn "Moonblade" < Amnestria Moonflower + Bran Skorlskun. "[[WrongNameOutburst Amnestria!]]" was Elaith's first word when he saw Arilyn. Unusual in that later [[spoiler:he mostly got over it, but now ''she'' sometimes overreacts on his past attitude and clashing with her half-elven ideals]].
** Keturah's daughter and [[spoiler:Basel Indoulur]] in ''CounselorsAndKings''. Mostly in a benign "would-be child" way, but this still motivated more activity than is normal for him and even an uncharacteristic murderous rage when he discovered that she's in danger.

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* ''Songs and Swords'' ForgottenRealms Literature/ForgottenRealms novels: Elaith Craulnober and Arilyn "Moonblade" < Amnestria Moonflower + Bran Skorlskun. "[[WrongNameOutburst Amnestria!]]" was Elaith's first word when he saw Arilyn. Unusual in that later [[spoiler:he mostly got over it, but now ''she'' sometimes overreacts on his past attitude and clashing with her half-elven ideals]].
** Keturah's daughter and [[spoiler:Basel Indoulur]] in ''CounselorsAndKings''.''Literature/CounselorsAndKings''. Mostly in a benign "would-be child" way, but this still motivated more activity than is normal for him and even an uncharacteristic murderous rage when he discovered that she's in danger.



* Briefly, in ''TheGreatGatsby'', where Daisy's child serves as a symbol to Gatsby of the reality of her marriage to Tom.

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* Briefly, in ''TheGreatGatsby'', ''Literature/TheGreatGatsby'', where Daisy's child serves as a symbol to Gatsby of the reality of her marriage to Tom.



* From ''ASongOfIceAndFire'': in the first book, preteen Sansa Stark meets Petyr Baelish, the UnluckyChildhoodFriend of Sansa's mother Catelyn...whom Sansa ''greatly'' resembles. He creeps her out in their initial meeting by pointing this out and touching her hair, and things only get squickier from there. The [[ReplacementGoldfish creepiness of the relationship]] isn't helped by the fact that she goes into hiding [[WifeHusbandry posing as his daughter and learning politics at his side.]]

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* From ''ASongOfIceAndFire'': ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': in the first book, preteen Sansa Stark meets Petyr Baelish, the UnluckyChildhoodFriend of Sansa's mother Catelyn...whom Sansa ''greatly'' resembles. He creeps her out in their initial meeting by pointing this out and touching her hair, and things only get squickier from there. The [[ReplacementGoldfish creepiness of the relationship]] isn't helped by the fact that she goes into hiding [[WifeHusbandry posing as his daughter and learning politics at his side.]]



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29th Sep '16 4:35:45 PM animenutcase
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* While she does a good job of hiding it, [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry Kyrie Ushiromiya]] admits that she has some issues with her stepson, Battler, particularly since he (the son of her hated love rival) lived while her own son was stillborn. [[spoiler:EP8 has her have a breakdown when Rudolf reveals that Battler was YourSonAllAlong.]]

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* While she does a good job of hiding it, [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry Kyrie Ushiromiya]] admits that she has some issues with her stepson, Battler, particularly since he (the son of her hated love rival) lived while her own son was stillborn. [[spoiler:EP8 [[spoiler:[=EP8=] has her have a breakdown when Rudolf reveals that Battler was YourSonAllAlong.]]
29th Sep '16 4:33:44 PM animenutcase
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* While she does a good job of hiding it, [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry Kyrie Ushiromiya]] admits that she has some issues with her stepson, Battler, particularly since he (the son of her hated love rival) while her own son was stillborn. [[spoiler:EP8 has her have a breakdown when Rudolf reveals that Battler was YourSonAllAlong.]]

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* While she does a good job of hiding it, [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry Kyrie Ushiromiya]] admits that she has some issues with her stepson, Battler, particularly since he (the son of her hated love rival) lived while her own son was stillborn. [[spoiler:EP8 has her have a breakdown when Rudolf reveals that Battler was YourSonAllAlong.]]
29th Sep '16 4:29:53 PM animenutcase
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* While she does a good job of hiding it, [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry Kyrie Ushiromiya]] admits that she has some issues with her stepson, Battler, particularly since he (the son of her love rival) while her own son was stillborn. [[spoiler:EP8 has her have a breakdown when Rudolf reveals that Battler was YourSonAllAlong.]]

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* While she does a good job of hiding it, [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry Kyrie Ushiromiya]] admits that she has some issues with her stepson, Battler, particularly since he (the son of her hated love rival) while her own son was stillborn. [[spoiler:EP8 has her have a breakdown when Rudolf reveals that Battler was YourSonAllAlong.]]
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* While she does a good job of hiding it, [[VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry Kyrie Ushiromiya]] admits that she has some issues with her stepson, Battler, particularly since he (the son of her love rival) while her own son was stillborn. [[spoiler:EP8 has her have a breakdown when Rudolf reveals that Battler was YourSonAllAlong.]]
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