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4th Oct '15 11:47:36 PM SeptimusHeap
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* ''Literature/TheBible'': {{Alternative Character Interpretation}}s of Satan also include the Ubermensch archetype. One such Satan is the Satan from ''ParadiseLost''. After all, tis better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven. Probably.
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* ''Literature/TheBible'': {{Alternative Character Interpretation}}s of Satan also include the Ubermensch archetype. One such Satan is the Satan from ''ParadiseLost''.''Literature/ParadiseLost''. After all, tis better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven. Probably.
8th Sep '15 4:01:33 AM SeptimusHeap
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* Gabe from ''NextToNormal'' has an inhuman charisma, makes his own rules and pretty much gets what he wants [[spoiler: despite, or because of being, DeadAllAlong]]. Natalie is pretty much The Last Man no matter what she does. ''[[{{Lampshade Hanging}} Superboy And The Invisible Girl]]'', indeed.
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* Gabe from ''NextToNormal'' ''Theatre/NextToNormal'' has an inhuman charisma, makes his own rules and pretty much gets what he wants [[spoiler: despite, or because of being, DeadAllAlong]]. Natalie is pretty much The Last Man no matter what she does. ''[[{{Lampshade Hanging}} Superboy And The Invisible Girl]]'', indeed.
6th Sep '15 1:37:58 AM SeptimusHeap
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'''Echo''': Right, new superior people, with a little [[NaziGermany German]] thrown in. [[WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong What could possibly go wrong?]]
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'''Echo''': Right, new superior people, with a little [[NaziGermany [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany German]] thrown in. [[WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong What could possibly go wrong?]]
1st Jun '15 8:44:56 AM SeptimusHeap
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* ''Anime/ChirinNoSuzu'' has Wolf as the Ubermensch and the sheep as the Last Man. Chirin starts out as a member of the Last Man and tries to become Ubermensch under Wolf's tutelage. [[spoiler: He fails, and becomes a NietzscheWannabe instead]].

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[[folder:Film]][[folder:Film - Animation]] * ''Anime/RingingBell'' has Wolf as the Ubermensch and the sheep as the Last Man. Chirin starts out as a member of the Last Man and tries to become Ubermensch under Wolf's tutelage. [[spoiler: He fails, and becomes a NietzscheWannabe instead]]. [[/folder]] [[folder:Film - Live Action]]
30th May '15 2:17:36 AM SeptimusHeap
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* ''Anime/KillLaKill'': Most of the main cast reject the norms of society to pursue their own ambition, each in their own original way. Even when they are following others, they are, in doing so, following themselves. Matoi Ryuuko will stand up to absolutely anyone and lives by her own code. So does Kiryuuin Stasuki, who'll unabashedly do whatever it takes to achieve her ambition, and look awesome while doing it. Kiryuuin Ragyo makes long speeches about embracing sin being the defining trait of humanity. Gamagoori Ira embraces conventional rules and codes with absolute passion even when no-one else will. The Mankanshoku do whatever the hell they want at any time without shame or inhibition, with special mention to Mankanshoku Mako, who lives in her own planet. While some of these characters can be manipulated or bribed or charmed into Last-Man-ity, there's always another character whose personal strength and charisma inspires them to be faithful to themselves.
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* ''Anime/KillLaKill'': Most of the main cast reject the norms of society to pursue their own ambition, each in their own original way. Even when they are following others, they are, in doing so, following themselves. Matoi Ryuuko will stand up to absolutely anyone and lives by her own code. So does Kiryuuin Stasuki, Satsuki, who'll unabashedly do whatever it takes to achieve her ambition, and look awesome while doing it. Kiryuuin Ragyo makes long speeches about embracing sin being the defining trait of humanity. Gamagoori Ira embraces conventional rules and codes with absolute passion even when no-one else will. The Mankanshoku do whatever the hell they want at any time without shame or inhibition, with special mention to Mankanshoku Mako, who lives in her own planet. While some of these characters can be manipulated or bribed or charmed into Last-Man-ity, there's always another character whose personal strength and charisma inspires them to be faithful to themselves.
19th May '15 1:14:56 AM SeptimusHeap
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* John Kramer aka Jigsaw from the ''Film/{{Saw}}'' films. Despite suffering from brain cancer and being dissatisfied with the rest of society, he overcame his suicidal despair and created his own radical moral code focusing on the savouring of life, seeing modern civilization as making everyone waste themselves in hedonism and setting himself the goal of rejuvenating humanity's survival instincts. And his method is not nice, either, he tests his subjects' personal willpower by subjecting them to {{ironic hell}}s that require severe self-sacrifice to escape lest they die. While most people will see his method as murder despite his claims on the contrary, he is still able to influence the tortured survivors around him to his ideals, even beyond the grave, although Amanda became a NietzscheWannabe and Hoffman became a monster. It helps that his character is based on Gilles Deleuze's philosophy, which is a lot like Nietzsche's.
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* John Kramer aka Jigsaw from the ''Film/{{Saw}}'' ''Franchise/{{Saw}}'' films. Despite suffering from brain cancer and being dissatisfied with the rest of society, he overcame his suicidal despair and created his own radical moral code focusing on the savouring of life, seeing modern civilization as making everyone waste themselves in hedonism and setting himself the goal of rejuvenating humanity's survival instincts. And his method is not nice, either, he tests his subjects' personal willpower by subjecting them to {{ironic hell}}s that require severe self-sacrifice to escape lest they die. While most people will see his method as murder despite his claims on the contrary, he is still able to influence the tortured survivors around him to his ideals, even beyond the grave, although Amanda became a NietzscheWannabe and Hoffman became a monster. It helps that his character is based on Gilles Deleuze's philosophy, which is a lot like Nietzsche's.
11th May '15 2:00:47 PM SeptimusHeap
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* The ''GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'' had two notable examples:
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* The ''GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'' ''Roleplay/GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'' had two notable examples:
6th Apr '15 2:00:34 PM Willbyr
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* Dexter from ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' evolves into one of these by necessity. He can't obey normal laws of morality because of his "dark passenger," so he must follow his unique "Laws of Harry," which place him above the likes of common murderers, who live by no code at all. Furthermore, the "Laws of Harry" were handed down from his adoptive father, but he has learned that he needs to evolve them and make them his own. The interesting thing about Dexter, he actually regresses as an overman. As the show progresses he becomes more attached to the people around him, and more concerned with normal social problems. * Khan Noonien Singh from ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries''. And of course TheMovie ''Wrath of Khan''. From TheOtherWiki: Professor William J. Devlin and coauthor Shai Biderman examined Khan's character compared to the Ubermensch and found that Khan's blind pursuit of revenge is in fact against Nietzsche's ideals of transcendence and self-creation of a meaningful life. Instead, the authors offer Spock's self-sacrifice in The Wrath of Khan as a better example of the Ubermensch.
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* Dexter from ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' evolves into one of these by necessity. He can't obey normal laws of morality because of his "dark passenger," so he must follow his unique "Laws of Harry," which place him above the likes of common murderers, who live by no code at all. Furthermore, the "Laws of Harry" were handed down from his adoptive father, but he has learned that he needs to evolve them and make them his own. The interesting thing about Dexter, Dexter is that he actually regresses as an overman. As the show progresses he becomes more attached to the people around him, and more concerned with normal social problems. * Khan Noonien Singh from ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries''. And of course TheMovie ''Wrath of Khan''. From TheOtherWiki: Professor William J. Devlin and coauthor Shai Biderman examined Khan's character compared to the Ubermensch and found that Khan's blind pursuit of revenge is in fact against Nietzsche's ideals of transcendence and self-creation of a meaningful life. Instead, the authors offer Spock's self-sacrifice in The ''The Wrath of Khan Khan'' as a better example of the Ubermensch.

* Whedon also plays with this in the final episode of the Alpha arc in season 1 of ''{{Dollhouse}}'' -->'''Echo''': "We're not gods!" -->'''Alpha''': "Fine, Ubermensch. Nietzsche predicted our rise. Perfected, objective, something new." -->'''Echo''': "Right, new superior people, with a little [[NaziGermany German]] thrown in. [[WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong What could possibly go wrong?]]"
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* Whedon also plays with this in the final episode of the Alpha arc in season 1 of ''{{Dollhouse}}'' ''Series/{{Dollhouse}}'' -->'''Echo''': "We're We're not gods!" -->'''Alpha''': "Fine, gods!\\ '''Alpha''': Fine, Ubermensch. Nietzsche predicted our rise. Perfected, objective, something new." -->'''Echo''': "Right, \\ '''Echo''': Right, new superior people, with a little [[NaziGermany German]] thrown in. [[WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong What could possibly go wrong?]]"wrong?]]
29th Mar '15 1:24:53 PM SeptimusHeap
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* John Kramer aka Jigsaw from the ''Film/{{Saw}}'' films. Despite suffering from brain cancer and being dissatisfied with the rest of society, he overcame his suicidal despair and created his own radical moral code focusing on the savouring of life, seeing modern civilization as making everyone waste themselves in hedonism and setting himself the goal of rejuvenating humanity's survival instincts. And his method is not nice, either, he tests his subjects' personal willpower by subjecting them to {{ironic hell}}s that require severe self-sacrifice to escape lest they die. While most people will see his method as murder despite his claims on the contrary, he is still able to influence the tortured survivors around him to his ideals, even beyond the grave, although Amanda became a NietzscheWannabe and Hoffman became a CompleteMonster. It helps that his character is based on Gilles Deleuze's philosophy, which is a lot like Nietzsche's.
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* John Kramer aka Jigsaw from the ''Film/{{Saw}}'' films. Despite suffering from brain cancer and being dissatisfied with the rest of society, he overcame his suicidal despair and created his own radical moral code focusing on the savouring of life, seeing modern civilization as making everyone waste themselves in hedonism and setting himself the goal of rejuvenating humanity's survival instincts. And his method is not nice, either, he tests his subjects' personal willpower by subjecting them to {{ironic hell}}s that require severe self-sacrifice to escape lest they die. While most people will see his method as murder despite his claims on the contrary, he is still able to influence the tortured survivors around him to his ideals, even beyond the grave, although Amanda became a NietzscheWannabe and Hoffman became a CompleteMonster.monster. It helps that his character is based on Gilles Deleuze's philosophy, which is a lot like Nietzsche's.

* {{Subverted|Trope}} in MarilynManson's ConceptAlbum ''Antichrist Superstar''. The story is told from the perspective of Wormboy, part of the servant caste of a world ruled over by morally and physically superior beings - the {{Ubermensch}}ian TheBeautifulElite. He sets out to overthrow their stifling plutocracy and exercise his will to power (in the classic Nietzschean sense), but becomes increasingly disenfranchised with the mindless, adoring masses, who merely transfer their adoration from them to him, instead. Passing the DespairEventHorizon, he [[AboveGoodAndEvil sheds his outdated morality]] but does not replace it with a new moral framework, evolving into the titular [[TitleDrop Antichrist Superstar]] - also known as [[OmnicidalManiac The Disintegrator]]. Concluding that people do not deserve to be liberated, he spirals into nihilism, using his newfound power to usher in [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the apocalypse]]. The album finishes with a ''serious'' DownerEnding, the desolate CompleteMonster anthem "Man That You Fear".
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* {{Subverted|Trope}} in MarilynManson's ConceptAlbum ''Antichrist Superstar''. The story is told from the perspective of Wormboy, part of the servant caste of a world ruled over by morally and physically superior beings - the {{Ubermensch}}ian TheBeautifulElite. He sets out to overthrow their stifling plutocracy and exercise his will to power (in the classic Nietzschean sense), but becomes increasingly disenfranchised with the mindless, adoring masses, who merely transfer their adoration from them to him, instead. Passing the DespairEventHorizon, he [[AboveGoodAndEvil sheds his outdated morality]] but does not replace it with a new moral framework, evolving into the titular [[TitleDrop Antichrist Superstar]] - also known as [[OmnicidalManiac The Disintegrator]]. Concluding that people do not deserve to be liberated, he spirals into nihilism, using his newfound power to usher in [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the apocalypse]]. The album finishes with a ''serious'' DownerEnding, the desolate CompleteMonster anthem "Man That You Fear".

* Alexei from ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' can count, as witnessed before his [[spoiler:VillainousBreakdown, he mentions that his goal was to [[WellIntentionedExtremist free humanity from the grip of the Entelexia]] and [[VisionaryVillain build the world anew,]] though he crossed the MoralEventHorizon one too many times in the pursuit of his goal, crossing the line into [[CompleteMonster complete monstrosity]]]].
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* Alexei from ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' can count, as witnessed before his [[spoiler:VillainousBreakdown, he mentions that his goal was to [[WellIntentionedExtremist free humanity from the grip of the Entelexia]] and [[VisionaryVillain build the world anew,]] though he crossed the MoralEventHorizon one too many times in the pursuit of his goal, crossing the line into [[CompleteMonster complete monstrosity]]]].monstrosity]].
19th Mar '15 1:26:41 PM SeptimusHeap
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* In ''Anime/KillLaKill'', Satsuki Kiryuin dismisses society's rules like morality and modesty as foolishness that would limit her potential and stand in the way of her schemes for world domination.
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* In ''Anime/KillLaKill'', Satsuki Kiryuin dismisses society's ''Anime/KillLaKill'': Most of the main cast reject the norms of society to pursue their own ambition, each in their own original way. Even when they are following others, they are, in doing so, following themselves. Matoi Ryuuko will stand up to absolutely anyone and lives by her own code. So does Kiryuuin Stasuki, who'll unabashedly do whatever it takes to achieve her ambition, and look awesome while doing it. Kiryuuin Ragyo makes long speeches about embracing sin being the defining trait of humanity. Gamagoori Ira embraces conventional rules like morality and modesty as foolishness that would limit codes with absolute passion even when no-one else will. The Mankanshoku do whatever the hell they want at any time without shame or inhibition, with special mention to Mankanshoku Mako, who lives in her potential own planet. While some of these characters can be manipulated or bribed or charmed into Last-Man-ity, there's always another character whose personal strength and stand in the way of her schemes for world domination.charisma inspires them to be faithful to themselves.
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