History Main / TwoPlusTortureMakesFive

23rd Jan '17 1:43:16 PM SantosLHalper
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* George Orwell used this for ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''. Winston Smith writes that freedom is the ability to say "two plus two is four," then later tries to make himself believe in Doublethink by changing it to five. During his torture, the torturer forces him to see [[HowManyFingers five fingers]] when there are only four. After Winston is released, he at one point subconsciously writes "2 + 2 = 5" on a coffee table's dust layer. Interestingly, several editions of the book list "2 + 2 = " instead, giving the impression of a HopeSpot. Alas, it's actually a typo: [[DownerEnding Winston really did write "2 + 2 = 5"]]

to:

* George Orwell used this for ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''. Winston Smith writes that freedom is the ability to say "two plus two is four," then later tries to make himself believe in Doublethink by changing it to five. During his torture, the torturer forces him to see [[HowManyFingers five fingers]] when there are only four. After Winston is released, he at one point subconsciously writes "2 + 2 = 5" on a coffee table's dust layer. Interestingly, several editions of the book list [[HopeSpot "2 + 2 = " instead, giving the impression of a HopeSpot."]] instead. Alas, it's actually a typo: [[DownerEnding Winston really did write "2 + 2 = 5"]]
14th Jan '17 3:39:13 AM manofwarb
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* Michael Westen in Series/BurnNotice invokes this trope to state why he never uses torture. To get reliable information, Michael and his friends tend to rely on straight up disinformation, misinformation, deception and a [[GambitPileup repertoire of gambits]].
11th Jan '17 3:48:57 AM TheAmazingBlachman
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The image source comes from the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "The Chain of Command, Part II." Picard is captured during a black op and taken to [[TortureTechnician Gul Madred]] (masterfully played by David Warner), who thinks that Picard knows Federation defense plans. Madred tries to force Picard to tell him that there are five lights on the wall when there are really only four. Every time Picard insists that there are four, Madred zaps him with an AgonyBeam. When Picard is finally released, he defiantly proclaims "[[PunctuatedForEmphasis THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!]]" to Madred as he is leaving, but it's not as [[DefiantToTheEnd triumphant]] as it seems -- later, Picard admits to Troi that not only would he have ''said'' there were five lights to make the pain stop if he hadn't been released at that exact moment, he ''did'' actually see five lights.

to:

* The image source comes from the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "The Chain of Command, Part II." Picard is captured during a black op and taken to [[TortureTechnician Gul Madred]] (masterfully played by David Warner), who thinks that Picard knows Federation defense plans. Madred tries to force Picard to tell him that there are five lights on the wall when there are really only four. Every time Picard insists that there are four, Madred zaps him with an AgonyBeam. When Picard is finally released, he defiantly proclaims "[[PunctuatedForEmphasis THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!]]" to Madred as he is leaving, but it's not as [[DefiantToTheEnd triumphant]] as it seems -- later, Picard admits to Troi that not only would he have readily ''said'' there were five lights just to make the pain stop if he hadn't been released at that exact moment, he ''did'' was so much at his wits' end that he for a moment actually see ''saw'' five lights.
2nd Jan '17 6:06:54 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Hilarious -- and simultaneously terrifying -- is the ShoutOut to this trope in ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}''. Midway through the struggle with BigBad [[spoiler:GLaDOS, she]] angrily seethes, "You think you're doing some damage? Two plus two is... f-f-f-f- Ten. [[spoiler: [[SubvertedTrope ...In base FOUR!]] [[OhCrap I'm FINE!]]"]]

to:

* Hilarious -- and simultaneously terrifying -- is the ShoutOut to this trope in ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}''. Midway through the struggle with BigBad [[spoiler:GLaDOS, [[spoiler:[=GlaDOs=], she]] angrily seethes, "You think you're doing some damage? Two plus two is... f-f-f-f- Ten. [[spoiler: [[SubvertedTrope ...In base FOUR!]] [[OhCrap I'm FINE!]]"]]
20th Dec '16 2:56:33 PM margdean56
Is there an issue? Send a Message


The AG said, "Bull. You guys never found the rabbit".\\

to:

The AG said, "Bull. You guys never found the rabbit".\\rabbit."\\



The NYPD detectives went into the woods. Fifteen minutes later a bear walked out, [[PoliceBrutality bruised, black eyed, and swollen]] holding his hands in the air and yelled, "Alright, I'm a rabbit, I'm a rabbit".

to:

The NYPD detectives went into the woods. Fifteen minutes later a bear walked out, [[PoliceBrutality bruised, black eyed, black-eyed, and swollen]] swollen]], holding his hands in the air air, and yelled, "Alright, "All right, I'm a rabbit, I'm a rabbit".rabbit!"
11th Dec '16 5:12:28 PM Game_Fan
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Although there is also evidence that they know perfectly well what the propaganda is after messages were intercepted banning the use of sarcasm to mock the government. Apparently there were a lot of citizens who would say "this is the fault of America" regarding ''everything'' in order to make fun of the same phrase used constantly in propaganda announcements.
5th Jul '16 8:13:37 AM Allronix
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** The Sith have a tendency to use this and BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil on Jedi captives. Unfortunately, it's often successful because the Sith are not only exploiting loopholes in the Jedi's dogma of emotional repression, but they also exploit the Order's ''chronic'' bad habit of [[HalfTruth telling their rank-and-file "a certain point of view"]] when it comes to critical information.
2nd Jul '16 6:06:25 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
Is there an issue? Send a Message


'''Note:''' This trope has nothing to do with actual math or equations. All examples of 2 plus 2 actually equaling 5 should go [[Trivia/{{Math}} here]].



to:

'''Note:''' [[IThoughtItMeant This trope has nothing to do with actual math or equations. equations]]. All examples of 2 plus 2 actually ''actually'' equaling 5 should go [[Trivia/{{Math}} here]].





[[ComicallyMissingThePoint …Torture = 3?]]

to:

[[ComicallyMissingThePoint …Torture …So, Torture = 3?]]
23rd Jun '16 2:21:32 AM gewunomox
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Amnesty International Belgium ran a series of anti-torture ads in 2014 that played with this trope using famous celebrities Photoshopped into beaten, broken people admitting something very contrary to their known beliefs-- like Creator/IggyPop describing Creator/JustinBieber as [[http://cdn4.pitchfork.com/news/55689/56991da6.jpg "the future of rock 'n' roll".]] (Other posters showed the Dalai Lama praising yuppie-style consumerism and fashion designer Karl Lagerfeld extolling Hawaiian shirts and flip-flop sandals.)

to:

* Amnesty International Belgium ran a series of anti-torture ads in 2014 that played with this trope using famous celebrities Photoshopped into beaten, broken people admitting something very contrary to their known beliefs-- like Creator/IggyPop Music/IggyPop describing Creator/JustinBieber Music/JustinBieber as [[http://cdn4.pitchfork.com/news/55689/56991da6.jpg "the future of rock 'n' roll".]] (Other posters showed the Dalai Lama praising yuppie-style consumerism and fashion designer Karl Lagerfeld extolling Hawaiian shirts and flip-flop sandals.)
16th Apr '16 4:10:33 PM TheWanderer
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** There are also versions that [[http://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aWZyORn_700b_v2.jpg combine]] the US and Russian versions.
This list shows the last 10 events of 196. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.TwoPlusTortureMakesFive