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6th Oct '17 6:03:30 PM thatother1dude
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' episode where Deputy Director Bullock (Creator/PatrickStewart, partial TropeNamer ''and'' big ''Series/RedDwarf'' fan) is sleeping with Hayley, Stan tries to make her ex-boyfriend Jeff more assertive by beating him up and getting him to say various fruit are something else. Though in this case Jeff will just agree that the orange is a banana because he's such a wimp. Stan was trying to get him to stand up and disagree with him.
* [[ParodiedTrope Spoofed]] in the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "Fishsticks" when Music/KanyeWest, [[ComicallyMissingThePoint denying that ]][[DontExplainTheJoke liking fish sticks makes him a gay fish]], tracks down CarlosMencia, believed at the time to be [[spoiler:the originator of the "fish sticks" joke]], and tortures him. When Mencia is [[IRejectYourReality unable to crack]] and [[ItMakesSenseInContext break from the "reality" of the joke]], Kanye [[LudicrousGibs decapitates him with a baseball bat]].
* Done to [[WesternAnimation/AvatartheLastAirbender Jet]] by the Dai Li, into thinking that there was no war between the Earth Kingdom and the Fire Nation. He snaps out of it, though.
* ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' does the EnhancedInterrogationTechniques version with the nerd, who's being [[ItMakesSenseInContext questioned as to the location of]] [[TheLordOfTheRings Mordor]]. He finally asks what they want him to say.[[note]] "Pakistan."[[/note]]

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* In Inverted in the ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' episode where Deputy Director Bullock (Creator/PatrickStewart, partial TropeNamer ''and'' big ''Series/RedDwarf'' fan) is sleeping with Hayley, Hayley and Stan [[TeachHimAnger tries to make her ex-boyfriend Jeff more assertive by beating him up and getting him to say various fruit are something else. Though in this case Jeff will just agree that assertive]]. Stan states a blatant falsehood (that the orange he's holding is a banana banana), which Jeff agrees to because he's such that much of a wimp. Stan was trying to get him to stand up and disagree then [[ElectricTorture electrifies Jeff]] until he ''stops'' agreeing with him.
Stan and sticks up for himself ([[WontTakeYesForAnAnswer and once more time by accident]]).
* [[ParodiedTrope Spoofed]] in the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "Fishsticks" when Music/KanyeWest, [[ComicallyMissingThePoint denying that ]][[DontExplainTheJoke liking fish sticks makes him a gay fish]], tracks down CarlosMencia, Carlos Mencia, believed at the time to be [[spoiler:the originator of the "fish sticks" joke]], and tortures him. When Mencia is [[IRejectYourReality unable to crack]] and [[ItMakesSenseInContext break from the "reality" of the joke]], Kanye [[LudicrousGibs decapitates him with a baseball bat]].
* Done to [[WesternAnimation/AvatartheLastAirbender Jet]] by the Dai Li, into thinking that there was no war between the Earth Kingdom and the Fire Nation. He snaps out of it, though.
* ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' does the EnhancedInterrogationTechniques version with the nerd, who's being [[ItMakesSenseInContext questioned as to the location of]] [[TheLordOfTheRings [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Mordor]]. He finally asks what they want him to say.[[note]] "Pakistan."[[/note]]
4th Sep '17 9:00:45 PM Lanes17B
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* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', after Ramsey Bolton hears Theon Greyjoy [[MercyKill begging him to kill him]] after being [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured for a long time,]] Ramsey comes up with the idea that Theon is not Theon anymore, but "Reek." Ramsey slaps him until until he admits his name is now "Reek."
6th Aug '17 5:17:02 PM Berrenta
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'''Note:''' [[IThoughtItMeant This trope has nothing to do with actual math or equations]]. All examples of 2 plus 2 ''actually'' equaling 5 should go [[Trivia/{{Math}} here]].



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'''Note:''' [[IThoughtItMeant This trope has nothing to do with actual math or equations]]. All examples of 2 plus 2 ''actually'' equaling 5 should go [[Trivia/{{Math}} here]].


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24th Jun '17 2:22:49 AM kome360
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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'': Interestingly, if you shoot Ocelot with a tranquilizer round, he claims he has [[CrowningMomentOfFunny drug resssistannce trrraiiinnninnng]]. Repeated shots eventually make him insist "Two plus two equals five. TWO plus two equals FIVE..." without any outside assistance. As it turns out, he's intentionally ''torturing himself with reinforced contradictory beliefs'' because [[spoiler:Venom Snake is on the verge of accidentally breaking his hypnosis, and like in IV, he kind of needs to semi-forget that Venom Snake ISN'T Big Boss to pull this insurrection off]].
27th Apr '17 9:40:01 AM MoonByte
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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he'd confess, he would be expelled from church and his possessions would be lost; if he denies the accusation, he would be persecuted anyway and his possessions would be lost; so to ensure that his family would inherit his property [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].

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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he'd confess, he would be expelled from church and his possessions would be lost; if he denies the accusation, he would be persecuted anyway and his possessions would be lost; so to ensure that his family would inherit his property [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] when asked if he'd confess were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[DyingMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].
27th Apr '17 9:37:17 AM MoonByte
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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. Knowing that with him confessing, not only would he be executed, but his family would lose all their possessions, [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].

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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. Knowing that with him confessing, not only If he'd confess, he would be expelled from church and his possessions would be lost; if he denies the accusation, he would be executed, but persecuted anyway and his possessions would be lost; so to ensure that his family would lose all their possessions, inherit his property [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].
27th Apr '17 9:33:32 AM MoonByte
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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. Knowing that with him confessing, not only would he be executed, but his family would lose all their possessions, [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His FamouslastWords were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].

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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. Knowing that with him confessing, not only would he be executed, but his family would lose all their possessions, [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His FamouslastWords [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].
27th Apr '17 9:32:54 AM MoonByte
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* Antique trials were quite often this, most famously the witch trials during TheMiddleAges. The women would be subjected to horrific torture to make them "confess" to be witches and/or in a relationship with the devil. If they confess, they would be executed as a witch. If not...then more torture until they do.
** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. Knowing that with him confessing, not only would he be executed, but his family would lose all their possessions, [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His FamouslastWords were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].
24th Apr '17 12:42:42 PM LtFedora
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* Michael Westen in Series/BurnNotice invokes this trope to state why he never uses torture. To get reliable information, Michael and his friends tend to rely on straight up disinformation, misinformation, deception and a [[GambitPileup repertoire of gambits]].

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* Michael Westen in Series/BurnNotice ''Series/BurnNotice'' invokes this trope to state why he never uses torture. To get reliable information, Michael and his friends tend to rely on straight up disinformation, misinformation, deception and a [[GambitPileup repertoire of gambits]].
23rd Jan '17 1:43:16 PM SantosLHalper
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* George Orwell used this for ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''. Winston Smith writes that freedom is the ability to say "two plus two is four," then later tries to make himself believe in Doublethink by changing it to five. During his torture, the torturer forces him to see [[HowManyFingers five fingers]] when there are only four. After Winston is released, he at one point subconsciously writes "2 + 2 = 5" on a coffee table's dust layer. Interestingly, several editions of the book list "2 + 2 = " instead, giving the impression of a HopeSpot. Alas, it's actually a typo: [[DownerEnding Winston really did write "2 + 2 = 5"]]

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* George Orwell used this for ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''. Winston Smith writes that freedom is the ability to say "two plus two is four," then later tries to make himself believe in Doublethink by changing it to five. During his torture, the torturer forces him to see [[HowManyFingers five fingers]] when there are only four. After Winston is released, he at one point subconsciously writes "2 + 2 = 5" on a coffee table's dust layer. Interestingly, several editions of the book list [[HopeSpot "2 + 2 = " instead, giving the impression of a HopeSpot."]] instead. Alas, it's actually a typo: [[DownerEnding Winston really did write "2 + 2 = 5"]]
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