History Main / TwoPlusTortureMakesFive

15th Jan '18 7:04:56 AM memememememe
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Most often used as a torture trope, probably [[TropeCodifier influenced]] by the famous scene from ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'', the villain has the hero in his clutches, but the hero Simply... Won't... ''Crack''. Sometimes the villain has to do more, i.e., he has to make the hero's mind break. This means making the hero [[TheTreacheryOfImages see things that aren't there]] or being forced to acknowledge [[BlatantLies things that are patently untrue]], [[DoubleThink or self-contradictory]], [[LogicBomb or illogical]], sometimes through using ColdBloodedTorture or MindRape.

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Most often used as a torture trope, probably A MindRape technique [[TropeCodifier influenced]] popularised]] by the famous scene from ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'', the ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'': The villain has the hero in his clutches, but the hero Simply... Won't... ''Crack''. Sometimes the villain has to do more, i.e., he has to make the hero's mind break. This means making using ColdBloodedTorture (both physical and psychological) to make the hero [[TheTreacheryOfImages see things that aren't there]] or being forced to acknowledge [[BlatantLies things that are patently untrue]], [[DoubleThink or self-contradictory]], [[LogicBomb or illogical]], sometimes through using ColdBloodedTorture or MindRape.
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15th Nov '17 9:39:31 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Antique trials were quite often this. For example, in witch trials, suspects would be subjected to horrific torture to make them "confess" to be witches and/or in a relationship with the devil. If they confessed, then BurnTheWitch If not...then keep on torturing them until they do.
** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he had confessed, he would've been excommunicated from the church and his property would've been lost; if he'd denied the accusation, he'd have been persecuted anyway and his property would've still been lost. To ensure that his family would inherit his property, he remained DefiantToTheEnd as his interrogators slowly crushed his body under heavy weights. His FamousLastWords when asked if he'd confess? [[FaceDeathWithDignity "More weight."]]

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* Antique trials were quite often this. For example, in witch trials, suspects would be subjected to horrific torture tortured to make them "confess" to be witches and/or in a relationship with the devil.witchcraft. If they confessed, then BurnTheWitch If not...then keep on torturing them until they do.
** During the Salem witch trials, as dramatised in ''Theatre/TheCrucible'', Giles Corey was one of the few that who [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he had confessed, he would've been excommunicated from the church and his property would've been lost; if he'd denied the accusation, he'd have been persecuted anyway and his property would've still been lost. To ensure that his family would inherit his property, he remained DefiantToTheEnd as his interrogators slowly crushed his body under heavy weights. His FamousLastWords when asked if he'd confess? [[FaceDeathWithDignity "More weight."]]
15th Nov '17 9:37:53 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he had confessed, he would've been excommunicated from the church and his property would've been lost; if he'd denied the accusation, he'd have been persecuted anyway and his property would've still been lost. To ensure that his family would inherit his property, he remained DefiantToTheEnd as his interrogators slowly crushed his body under heavy weights. His FamousLastWords when asked if he'd confess? [[FaceDeathWithDignity "More weight.]]

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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he had confessed, he would've been excommunicated from the church and his property would've been lost; if he'd denied the accusation, he'd have been persecuted anyway and his property would've still been lost. To ensure that his family would inherit his property, he remained DefiantToTheEnd as his interrogators slowly crushed his body under heavy weights. His FamousLastWords when asked if he'd confess? [[FaceDeathWithDignity "More weight.]]"]]
15th Nov '17 9:37:37 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Antique trials were quite often this, most famously the witch trials during TheMiddleAges. The women would be subjected to horrific torture to make them "confess" to be witches and/or in a relationship with the devil. If they confess, they would be executed as a witch. If not...then more torture until they do.
** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he'd confess, he would be expelled from church and his possessions would be lost; if he denies the accusation, he would be persecuted anyway and his possessions would be lost; so to ensure that his family would inherit his property [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] when asked if he'd confess were [[DyingMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].

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* Antique trials were quite often this, most famously the this. For example, in witch trials during TheMiddleAges. The women trials, suspects would be subjected to horrific torture to make them "confess" to be witches and/or in a relationship with the devil. If they confess, they would be executed as a witch. confessed, then BurnTheWitch If not...then more torture keep on torturing them until they do.
** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he'd confess, he would be expelled had confessed, he would've been excommunicated from the church and his possessions would be property would've been lost; if he denies he'd denied the accusation, he would be he'd have been persecuted anyway and his possessions would be lost; so to property would've still been lost. To ensure that his family would inherit his property [[FaceDeathWithDignity property, he stayed defiant till the end]] remained DefiantToTheEnd as his torturers interrogators slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. under heavy weights. His [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] FamousLastWords when asked if he'd confess were [[DyingMomentOfAwesome confess? [[FaceDeathWithDignity "More weight"]].weight.]]
3rd Nov '17 4:44:06 PM MagnoNaval
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** In the Brazilian version, the Scotland Yard finds the rabbit in two hours by using deduction, the CIA finds the rabbit in one hour by using surveillance and the Rio de Janeiro Police returns in 30 minutes with a beaten up fox drug addict claiming to be a rabbit.

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** In the Brazilian version, the Scotland Yard finds the rabbit in two hours by using deduction, the CIA finds the rabbit in one hour by using surveillance and the Rio de Janeiro Police returns in 30 minutes with a beaten up fox drug addict claiming to be a rabbit.
3rd Nov '17 4:43:22 PM MagnoNaval
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** In the Brazilian version, the Scotland Yard finds the rabbit in two hours by using deduction, the CIA finds the rabbit in one hour by using surveillance and the Rio de Janeiro Police returns in 30 minutes with a beaten up fox drug addict claiming to be a rabbit.
6th Oct '17 6:03:30 PM thatother1dude
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* In the ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' episode where Deputy Director Bullock (Creator/PatrickStewart, partial TropeNamer ''and'' big ''Series/RedDwarf'' fan) is sleeping with Hayley, Stan tries to make her ex-boyfriend Jeff more assertive by beating him up and getting him to say various fruit are something else. Though in this case Jeff will just agree that the orange is a banana because he's such a wimp. Stan was trying to get him to stand up and disagree with him.
* [[ParodiedTrope Spoofed]] in the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "Fishsticks" when Music/KanyeWest, [[ComicallyMissingThePoint denying that ]][[DontExplainTheJoke liking fish sticks makes him a gay fish]], tracks down CarlosMencia, believed at the time to be [[spoiler:the originator of the "fish sticks" joke]], and tortures him. When Mencia is [[IRejectYourReality unable to crack]] and [[ItMakesSenseInContext break from the "reality" of the joke]], Kanye [[LudicrousGibs decapitates him with a baseball bat]].
* Done to [[WesternAnimation/AvatartheLastAirbender Jet]] by the Dai Li, into thinking that there was no war between the Earth Kingdom and the Fire Nation. He snaps out of it, though.
* ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' does the EnhancedInterrogationTechniques version with the nerd, who's being [[ItMakesSenseInContext questioned as to the location of]] [[TheLordOfTheRings Mordor]]. He finally asks what they want him to say.[[note]] "Pakistan."[[/note]]

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* In Inverted in the ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' episode where Deputy Director Bullock (Creator/PatrickStewart, partial TropeNamer ''and'' big ''Series/RedDwarf'' fan) is sleeping with Hayley, Hayley and Stan [[TeachHimAnger tries to make her ex-boyfriend Jeff more assertive by beating him up and getting him to say various fruit are something else. Though in this case Jeff will just agree that assertive]]. Stan states a blatant falsehood (that the orange he's holding is a banana banana), which Jeff agrees to because he's such that much of a wimp. Stan was trying to get him to stand up and disagree then [[ElectricTorture electrifies Jeff]] until he ''stops'' agreeing with him.
Stan and sticks up for himself ([[WontTakeYesForAnAnswer and once more time by accident]]).
* [[ParodiedTrope Spoofed]] in the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "Fishsticks" when Music/KanyeWest, [[ComicallyMissingThePoint denying that ]][[DontExplainTheJoke liking fish sticks makes him a gay fish]], tracks down CarlosMencia, Carlos Mencia, believed at the time to be [[spoiler:the originator of the "fish sticks" joke]], and tortures him. When Mencia is [[IRejectYourReality unable to crack]] and [[ItMakesSenseInContext break from the "reality" of the joke]], Kanye [[LudicrousGibs decapitates him with a baseball bat]].
* Done to [[WesternAnimation/AvatartheLastAirbender Jet]] by the Dai Li, into thinking that there was no war between the Earth Kingdom and the Fire Nation. He snaps out of it, though.
* ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'' does the EnhancedInterrogationTechniques version with the nerd, who's being [[ItMakesSenseInContext questioned as to the location of]] [[TheLordOfTheRings [[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings Mordor]]. He finally asks what they want him to say.[[note]] "Pakistan."[[/note]]
4th Sep '17 9:00:45 PM Lanes17B
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* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', after Ramsey Bolton hears Theon Greyjoy [[MercyKill begging him to kill him]] after being [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured for a long time,]] Ramsey comes up with the idea that Theon is not Theon anymore, but "Reek." Ramsey slaps him until until he admits his name is now "Reek."
6th Aug '17 5:17:02 PM Berrenta
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'''Note:''' [[IThoughtItMeant This trope has nothing to do with actual math or equations]]. All examples of 2 plus 2 ''actually'' equaling 5 should go [[Trivia/{{Math}} here]].



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'''Note:''' [[IThoughtItMeant This trope has nothing to do with actual math or equations]]. All examples of 2 plus 2 ''actually'' equaling 5 should go [[Trivia/{{Math}} here]].


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24th Jun '17 2:22:49 AM kome360
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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'': Interestingly, if you shoot Ocelot with a tranquilizer round, he claims he has [[CrowningMomentOfFunny drug resssistannce trrraiiinnninnng]]. Repeated shots eventually make him insist "Two plus two equals five. TWO plus two equals FIVE..." without any outside assistance. As it turns out, he's intentionally ''torturing himself with reinforced contradictory beliefs'' because [[spoiler:Venom Snake is on the verge of accidentally breaking his hypnosis, and like in IV, he kind of needs to semi-forget that Venom Snake ISN'T Big Boss to pull this insurrection off]].
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