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15th May '18 12:02:29 PM MasterN
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A MindRape technique [[TropeCodifier popularised]] by ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'': The villain has the hero in his clutches, but the hero Simply... Won't... ''Crack''. Sometimes the villain has to do more, i.e., he has to make the hero's mind break. This means using ColdBloodedTorture (both physical and psychological) to make the hero [[TheTreacheryOfImages see things that aren't there]] or being forced to acknowledge [[BlatantLies things that are patently untrue]], [[DoubleThink or self-contradictory]], [[LogicBomb or irrational]].

The villain needs to make him believe that 2 + 2 = 5. It is said that the Truth will set you Free, and when truth loses all meaning, it becomes just another method of Orwellian [[MoreThanMindControl Mind Control]].

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A MindRape technique [[TropeCodifier popularised]] by ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'': The villain has the hero in his clutches, but the hero Simply... Won't... ''Crack''. Sometimes the villain has to do more, i.e., he has to make the hero's mind break. This means using ColdBloodedTorture (both physical and psychological) to make the hero [[TheTreacheryOfImages see things that aren't there]] or being forced to acknowledge [[BlatantLies things that are patently untrue]], [[DoubleThink or self-contradictory]], and/or [[LogicBomb or irrational]].

The villain needs to make him the hero believe that 2 + 2 = 5. It is said that the Truth will set you Free, and when truth loses all meaning, it becomes just another method of Orwellian [[MoreThanMindControl Mind Control]].
4th May '18 9:14:26 PM VincentAdultman
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* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', after Ramsey Bolton hears Theon Greyjoy [[MercyKill begging him to kill him]] after being [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured for a long time,]] Ramsey comes up with the idea that Theon is not Theon anymore, but "Reek." Ramsey slaps him until until he admits his name is now "Reek."

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* In ''Series/GameOfThrones'', after Ramsey Ramsay Bolton hears Theon Greyjoy [[MercyKill begging him to kill him]] after being [[ColdBloodedTorture tortured for a long time,]] Ramsey Ramsay comes up with the idea that Theon is not Theon anymore, but "Reek." Ramsey Ramsay slaps him until until he admits his name is now "Reek."
2nd May '18 9:23:22 PM nombretomado
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'''Note:''' [[IThoughtItMeant This trope has nothing to do with actual math or equations]].



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'''Note:''' [[IThoughtItMeant [[JustForFun/IThoughtItMeant This trope has nothing to do with actual math or equations]].


31st Mar '18 11:33:03 PM nombretomado
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* In the MiniSeries ''Series/{{Roots}}'', Kunta Kinte is whipped until he says that his name is Toby, the slave name given to him by his master.

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* In the MiniSeries ''Series/{{Roots}}'', ''Series/{{Roots|1977}}'', Kunta Kinte is whipped until he says that his name is Toby, the slave name given to him by his master.
24th Mar '18 10:23:28 AM Jeduthun
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See also AppealToForce. Can also be accomplished with {{Gaslighting}}.

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See also AppealToForce. Can also be accomplished with {{Gaslighting}}.
{{Gaslighting}} or TheLudovicoTechnique.
15th Jan '18 7:04:56 AM memememememe
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Most often used as a torture trope, probably [[TropeCodifier influenced]] by the famous scene from ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'', the villain has the hero in his clutches, but the hero Simply... Won't... ''Crack''. Sometimes the villain has to do more, i.e., he has to make the hero's mind break. This means making the hero [[TheTreacheryOfImages see things that aren't there]] or being forced to acknowledge [[BlatantLies things that are patently untrue]], [[DoubleThink or self-contradictory]], [[LogicBomb or illogical]], sometimes through using ColdBloodedTorture or MindRape.

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Most often used as a torture trope, probably A MindRape technique [[TropeCodifier influenced]] popularised]] by the famous scene from ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'', the ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour'': The villain has the hero in his clutches, but the hero Simply... Won't... ''Crack''. Sometimes the villain has to do more, i.e., he has to make the hero's mind break. This means making using ColdBloodedTorture (both physical and psychological) to make the hero [[TheTreacheryOfImages see things that aren't there]] or being forced to acknowledge [[BlatantLies things that are patently untrue]], [[DoubleThink or self-contradictory]], [[LogicBomb or illogical]], sometimes through using ColdBloodedTorture or MindRape.
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15th Nov '17 9:39:31 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Antique trials were quite often this. For example, in witch trials, suspects would be subjected to horrific torture to make them "confess" to be witches and/or in a relationship with the devil. If they confessed, then BurnTheWitch If not...then keep on torturing them until they do.
** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he had confessed, he would've been excommunicated from the church and his property would've been lost; if he'd denied the accusation, he'd have been persecuted anyway and his property would've still been lost. To ensure that his family would inherit his property, he remained DefiantToTheEnd as his interrogators slowly crushed his body under heavy weights. His FamousLastWords when asked if he'd confess? [[FaceDeathWithDignity "More weight."]]

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* Antique trials were quite often this. For example, in witch trials, suspects would be subjected to horrific torture tortured to make them "confess" to be witches and/or in a relationship with the devil.witchcraft. If they confessed, then BurnTheWitch If not...then keep on torturing them until they do.
** During the Salem witch trials, as dramatised in ''Theatre/TheCrucible'', Giles Corey was one of the few that who [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he had confessed, he would've been excommunicated from the church and his property would've been lost; if he'd denied the accusation, he'd have been persecuted anyway and his property would've still been lost. To ensure that his family would inherit his property, he remained DefiantToTheEnd as his interrogators slowly crushed his body under heavy weights. His FamousLastWords when asked if he'd confess? [[FaceDeathWithDignity "More weight."]]
15th Nov '17 9:37:53 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he had confessed, he would've been excommunicated from the church and his property would've been lost; if he'd denied the accusation, he'd have been persecuted anyway and his property would've still been lost. To ensure that his family would inherit his property, he remained DefiantToTheEnd as his interrogators slowly crushed his body under heavy weights. His FamousLastWords when asked if he'd confess? [[FaceDeathWithDignity "More weight.]]

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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he had confessed, he would've been excommunicated from the church and his property would've been lost; if he'd denied the accusation, he'd have been persecuted anyway and his property would've still been lost. To ensure that his family would inherit his property, he remained DefiantToTheEnd as his interrogators slowly crushed his body under heavy weights. His FamousLastWords when asked if he'd confess? [[FaceDeathWithDignity "More weight.]]"]]
15th Nov '17 9:37:37 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* Antique trials were quite often this, most famously the witch trials during TheMiddleAges. The women would be subjected to horrific torture to make them "confess" to be witches and/or in a relationship with the devil. If they confess, they would be executed as a witch. If not...then more torture until they do.
** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he'd confess, he would be expelled from church and his possessions would be lost; if he denies the accusation, he would be persecuted anyway and his possessions would be lost; so to ensure that his family would inherit his property [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] when asked if he'd confess were [[DyingMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].

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* Antique trials were quite often this, most famously the this. For example, in witch trials during TheMiddleAges. The women trials, suspects would be subjected to horrific torture to make them "confess" to be witches and/or in a relationship with the devil. If they confess, they would be executed as a witch. confessed, then BurnTheWitch If not...then more torture keep on torturing them until they do.
** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he'd confess, he would be expelled had confessed, he would've been excommunicated from the church and his possessions would be property would've been lost; if he denies he'd denied the accusation, he would be he'd have been persecuted anyway and his possessions would be lost; so to property would've still been lost. To ensure that his family would inherit his property [[FaceDeathWithDignity property, he stayed defiant till the end]] remained DefiantToTheEnd as his torturers interrogators slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. under heavy weights. His [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] FamousLastWords when asked if he'd confess were [[DyingMomentOfAwesome confess? [[FaceDeathWithDignity "More weight"]].weight.]]
3rd Nov '17 4:44:06 PM MagnoNaval
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** In the Brazilian version, the Scotland Yard finds the rabbit in two hours by using deduction, the CIA finds the rabbit in one hour by using surveillance and the Rio de Janeiro Police returns in 30 minutes with a beaten up fox drug addict claiming to be a rabbit.

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** In the Brazilian version, the Scotland Yard finds the rabbit in two hours by using deduction, the CIA finds the rabbit in one hour by using surveillance and the Rio de Janeiro Police returns in 30 minutes with a beaten up fox drug addict claiming to be a rabbit.
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