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24th Jun '17 2:22:49 AM kome360
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* ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'': Interestingly, if you shoot Ocelot with a tranquilizer round, he claims he has [[CrowningMomentOfFunny drug resssistannce trrraiiinnninnng]]. Repeated shots eventually make him insist "Two plus two equals five. TWO plus two equals FIVE..." without any outside assistance. As it turns out, he's intentionally ''torturing himself with reinforced contradictory beliefs'' because [[spoiler:Venom Snake is on the verge of accidentally breaking his hypnosis, and like in IV, he kind of needs to semi-forget that Venom Snake ISN'T Big Boss to pull this insurrection off]].
27th Apr '17 9:40:01 AM MoonByte
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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he'd confess, he would be expelled from church and his possessions would be lost; if he denies the accusation, he would be persecuted anyway and his possessions would be lost; so to ensure that his family would inherit his property [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].

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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. If he'd confess, he would be expelled from church and his possessions would be lost; if he denies the accusation, he would be persecuted anyway and his possessions would be lost; so to ensure that his family would inherit his property [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] when asked if he'd confess were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[DyingMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].
27th Apr '17 9:37:17 AM MoonByte
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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. Knowing that with him confessing, not only would he be executed, but his family would lose all their possessions, [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].

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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. Knowing that with him confessing, not only If he'd confess, he would be expelled from church and his possessions would be lost; if he denies the accusation, he would be executed, but persecuted anyway and his possessions would be lost; so to ensure that his family would lose all their possessions, inherit his property [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].
27th Apr '17 9:33:32 AM MoonByte
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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. Knowing that with him confessing, not only would he be executed, but his family would lose all their possessions, [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His FamouslastWords were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].

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** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. Knowing that with him confessing, not only would he be executed, but his family would lose all their possessions, [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His FamouslastWords [[FamouslastWords Famous Last Words]] were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].
27th Apr '17 9:32:54 AM MoonByte
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* Antique trials were quite often this, most famously the witch trials during TheMiddleAges. The women would be subjected to horrific torture to make them "confess" to be witches and/or in a relationship with the devil. If they confess, they would be executed as a witch. If not...then more torture until they do.
** Giles Corey was one of the few that [[TortureIsIneffective withstood the torture till the end]]. Knowing that with him confessing, not only would he be executed, but his family would lose all their possessions, [[FaceDeathWithDignity he stayed defiant till the end]] as his torturers slowly crushed his body with stone boulders. His FamouslastWords were [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome "More weight"]].
24th Apr '17 12:42:42 PM LtFedora
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* Michael Westen in Series/BurnNotice invokes this trope to state why he never uses torture. To get reliable information, Michael and his friends tend to rely on straight up disinformation, misinformation, deception and a [[GambitPileup repertoire of gambits]].

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* Michael Westen in Series/BurnNotice ''Series/BurnNotice'' invokes this trope to state why he never uses torture. To get reliable information, Michael and his friends tend to rely on straight up disinformation, misinformation, deception and a [[GambitPileup repertoire of gambits]].
23rd Jan '17 1:43:16 PM SantosLHalper
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* George Orwell used this for ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''. Winston Smith writes that freedom is the ability to say "two plus two is four," then later tries to make himself believe in Doublethink by changing it to five. During his torture, the torturer forces him to see [[HowManyFingers five fingers]] when there are only four. After Winston is released, he at one point subconsciously writes "2 + 2 = 5" on a coffee table's dust layer. Interestingly, several editions of the book list "2 + 2 = " instead, giving the impression of a HopeSpot. Alas, it's actually a typo: [[DownerEnding Winston really did write "2 + 2 = 5"]]

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* George Orwell used this for ''Literature/NineteenEightyFour''. Winston Smith writes that freedom is the ability to say "two plus two is four," then later tries to make himself believe in Doublethink by changing it to five. During his torture, the torturer forces him to see [[HowManyFingers five fingers]] when there are only four. After Winston is released, he at one point subconsciously writes "2 + 2 = 5" on a coffee table's dust layer. Interestingly, several editions of the book list [[HopeSpot "2 + 2 = " instead, giving the impression of a HopeSpot."]] instead. Alas, it's actually a typo: [[DownerEnding Winston really did write "2 + 2 = 5"]]
14th Jan '17 3:39:13 AM manofwarb
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* Michael Westen in Series/BurnNotice invokes this trope to state why he never uses torture. To get reliable information, Michael and his friends tend to rely on straight up disinformation, misinformation, deception and a [[GambitPileup repertoire of gambits]].
11th Jan '17 3:48:57 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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* The image source comes from the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "The Chain of Command, Part II." Picard is captured during a black op and taken to [[TortureTechnician Gul Madred]] (masterfully played by David Warner), who thinks that Picard knows Federation defense plans. Madred tries to force Picard to tell him that there are five lights on the wall when there are really only four. Every time Picard insists that there are four, Madred zaps him with an AgonyBeam. When Picard is finally released, he defiantly proclaims "[[PunctuatedForEmphasis THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!]]" to Madred as he is leaving, but it's not as [[DefiantToTheEnd triumphant]] as it seems -- later, Picard admits to Troi that not only would he have ''said'' there were five lights to make the pain stop if he hadn't been released at that exact moment, he ''did'' actually see five lights.

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* The image source comes from the ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "The Chain of Command, Part II." Picard is captured during a black op and taken to [[TortureTechnician Gul Madred]] (masterfully played by David Warner), who thinks that Picard knows Federation defense plans. Madred tries to force Picard to tell him that there are five lights on the wall when there are really only four. Every time Picard insists that there are four, Madred zaps him with an AgonyBeam. When Picard is finally released, he defiantly proclaims "[[PunctuatedForEmphasis THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!]]" to Madred as he is leaving, but it's not as [[DefiantToTheEnd triumphant]] as it seems -- later, Picard admits to Troi that not only would he have readily ''said'' there were five lights just to make the pain stop if he hadn't been released at that exact moment, he ''did'' was so much at his wits' end that he for a moment actually see ''saw'' five lights.
2nd Jan '17 6:06:54 PM nombretomado
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* Hilarious -- and simultaneously terrifying -- is the ShoutOut to this trope in ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}''. Midway through the struggle with BigBad [[spoiler:GLaDOS, she]] angrily seethes, "You think you're doing some damage? Two plus two is... f-f-f-f- Ten. [[spoiler: [[SubvertedTrope ...In base FOUR!]] [[OhCrap I'm FINE!]]"]]

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* Hilarious -- and simultaneously terrifying -- is the ShoutOut to this trope in ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}''. Midway through the struggle with BigBad [[spoiler:GLaDOS, [[spoiler:[=GlaDOs=], she]] angrily seethes, "You think you're doing some damage? Two plus two is... f-f-f-f- Ten. [[spoiler: [[SubvertedTrope ...In base FOUR!]] [[OhCrap I'm FINE!]]"]]
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