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19th Jul '16 12:19:39 AM Statzkeen
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* In ''Theatre/FiddlerOnTheRoof'', Tevye is constantly struggling with his belief in tradition versus his three daughters' yearning for liberation. He manages to accept the first two of them (who want to chose their own husbands, but within their own religion), but draws the line with the third (who falls in love with a Christian and converts in order to marry him).

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* In ''Theatre/FiddlerOnTheRoof'', Tevye is constantly struggling with his belief in tradition versus his three daughters' yearning for liberation. He manages to accept the first two of them (who want to chose their own husbands, husbands on their own terms, but within their own religion), but draws the line with the third (who falls in love with a Christian and converts in order to marry him).
19th Jul '16 12:18:24 AM Statzkeen
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* In ''Theatre/FiddlerOnTheRoof'', Tevye is constantly struggling with his belief in tradition versus his three daughters' yearning for liberation. He manages to accept the first two of them (who want to chose their own husbands, but within their own religion), but draws the line with the third (who falls in love with a Christian).
** In fairness, this isn't so much a case of bigotry, as Tevye's devotion to his faith and to God. In marrying the (admittedly sympathetic) Christian boy, his daughter is choosing love over her faith.

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* In ''Theatre/FiddlerOnTheRoof'', Tevye is constantly struggling with his belief in tradition versus his three daughters' yearning for liberation. He manages to accept the first two of them (who want to chose their own husbands, but within their own religion), but draws the line with the third (who falls in love with a Christian).
** In fairness, this isn't so much a case of bigotry, as Tevye's devotion to his faith and to God. In marrying the (admittedly sympathetic)
Christian boy, his daughter is choosing love over her faith.and converts in order to marry him).
29th Jun '16 5:30:42 PM nombretomado
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* HuckleberryFinn's [[RousseauWasRight fundamental goodness]] eventually wins out over his ingrained racism, and he decides to help fugitive slave Jim escape, despite doing so being entirely contrary to what he thought of as moral: ''[[YouAreWorthHell All right then, I'll go to Hell]]''.

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* HuckleberryFinn's Literature/HuckleberryFinn's [[RousseauWasRight fundamental goodness]] eventually wins out over his ingrained racism, and he decides to help fugitive slave Jim escape, despite doing so being entirely contrary to what he thought of as moral: ''[[YouAreWorthHell All right then, I'll go to Hell]]''.
8th Feb '16 2:48:16 PM margdean56
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** In fairness, this isn't so much a case of bigotry, as Tevye devotion to his faith and to God. In marrying the (admittedly sympathetic) Christian boy, his daughter is choosing love over her faith.

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** In fairness, this isn't so much a case of bigotry, as Tevye Tevye's devotion to his faith and to God. In marrying the (admittedly sympathetic) Christian boy, his daughter is choosing love over her faith.



* In ''[[WesternAnimation/{{Thundercats 2011}} [=ThunderCats (2011)=]]]'' Claudus is a [[FollowInMyFootsteps stern]] father to Lion-O, a very narrow-minded king whom genuinely believes the cats are ''the'' SuperiorSpecies. He believes his people's FantasticRacism is justified. Despite all his flaws, deep down he's a JerkWithAHeartOfGold who only wants what's best for his people and his son.

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* In ''[[WesternAnimation/{{Thundercats 2011}} [=ThunderCats (2011)=]]]'' Claudus is a [[FollowInMyFootsteps stern]] father to Lion-O, a very narrow-minded king whom who genuinely believes the cats are ''the'' SuperiorSpecies. He believes his people's FantasticRacism is justified. Despite all his flaws, deep down he's a JerkWithAHeartOfGold who only wants what's best for his people and his son.
8th Feb '16 2:45:18 PM margdean56
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* In a weird example, Vimes from ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' is ''treated'' like one, but it's a mostly informed characteristic - he never actually says anything especially racist. Of course, since he thinks equally badly of all Discworld species, he probably doesn't exactly qualify as "bigoted" anyways, and is more of a Troubled Sympathetic ''Misanthrope''. He loves the city and will fight like hell to keep it in order, but he doesn't think well of the actual people. Discworld/{{Thud}} showcases Vimes's internal conflicts best, but most of the City Watch books are driven by Vimes's fight to protect and serve a bunch of assholes he doesn't care about.

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* In a weird example, Vimes from ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' is ''treated'' like one, but it's a mostly informed characteristic - -- he never actually says anything especially racist. Of course, since he thinks equally badly of all Discworld species, he probably doesn't exactly qualify as "bigoted" anyways, anyway, and is more of a Troubled Sympathetic ''Misanthrope''. He loves the city and will fight like hell to keep it in order, but he doesn't think well of the actual people. Discworld/{{Thud}} showcases Vimes's internal conflicts best, but most of the City Watch books are driven by Vimes's fight to protect and serve a bunch of assholes he doesn't care about.



** With regards to vampires Vimes is certainly a bigot, and refuses to permit any into the watch until forced by Vetinari. He is shown in Men at Arms to hate vampires because of their stereotypical links to aristocracy. The latest book ''Snuff'' deals very heavily with the ideas of prejudice (particularly towards Goblins who are not considered citizens and ergo, have no rights even when they're the victims or murder) and shows Vimes to have grown quite philosophical about his earlier prejudices. His comments about another character finding redemption through his treating all thinking beings as equals say a lot about his CharacterDevelopment.
* HuckleberryFinn's [[RousseauWasRight fundamental goodness]] eventually wins out over his ingrained racism, and he decides to help fugitive slave Jim escape, despite doing so being entirely contrary to what he thought of as moral: ''[[YouAreWorthHell Alright then, I'll go to Hell]]''.
* In ''ThePillarsOfTheEarth'' Prior Philip, one of the main protagonists causes many trouble to the other protagonists because of this trope. The worst part is him forcing Jack to become a monk when he is really not fit to be one.

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** With regards to vampires Vimes is certainly a bigot, and refuses to permit any into the watch until forced by Vetinari. He is shown in Men ''Men at Arms Arms'' to hate vampires because of their stereotypical links to aristocracy. The latest book ''Snuff'' deals very heavily with the ideas idea of prejudice (particularly towards Goblins who are not considered citizens and ergo, have no rights even when they're the victims or murder) and shows Vimes to have grown quite philosophical about his earlier prejudices. His comments about another character finding redemption through his treating all thinking beings as equals say a lot about his CharacterDevelopment.
* HuckleberryFinn's [[RousseauWasRight fundamental goodness]] eventually wins out over his ingrained racism, and he decides to help fugitive slave Jim escape, despite doing so being entirely contrary to what he thought of as moral: ''[[YouAreWorthHell Alright All right then, I'll go to Hell]]''.
* In ''ThePillarsOfTheEarth'' Prior Philip, one of the main protagonists protagonists, causes many trouble troubles to the other protagonists because of this trope. The worst part is him forcing Jack to become a monk when he is really not fit to be one.
8th Feb '16 2:40:40 PM margdean56
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* In ''ComicBook/{{Logicomix}}'', Ferge is totally honest and devoted to truth & logic. Sadly, this devotion combined with IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance leads to BlackAndWhiteInsanity in the form of a StrawVulcan despise for women and jews. On the whole, this make him a Troubled Sympathetic Bigot who is desperately trying to do the right thing.

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* In ''ComicBook/{{Logicomix}}'', Ferge is totally honest and devoted to truth & and logic. Sadly, this devotion combined with IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance leads to BlackAndWhiteInsanity in the form of a StrawVulcan despise for despising of women and jews. Jews. On the whole, this make makes him a Troubled Sympathetic Bigot who is desperately trying to do the right thing.
13th Jan '16 10:07:05 AM johnsmithxxi
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** In fairness, this isn't so much a case of bigotry, as Tevye devotion to his faith and to God. In marrying the (admittedly sympathetic) Christian boy, his daughter is choosing love over her faith.
7th Jan '16 11:19:18 AM nombretomado
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* Nellie Forbush and Lieutenant Cable from ''SouthPacific''. Nellie is in love with Emile but tearfully leaves him when she finds out he was once married to a "colored" woman, and has two half-Polynesian children. Cable is in love with Liat, but refuses to marry a Tonkinese woman. Cable's song "You've Got To Be Carefully Taught" is a self-loathing explanation of how he and Nellie acquired such deep-seated prejudice. [[spoiler:Nellie eventually overcomes her prejudice and learns to love Emile's children, but Cable is killed before he has a chance to reconcile with Liat.]]

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* Nellie Forbush and Lieutenant Cable from ''SouthPacific''.''Theatre/SouthPacific''. Nellie is in love with Emile but tearfully leaves him when she finds out he was once married to a "colored" woman, and has two half-Polynesian children. Cable is in love with Liat, but refuses to marry a Tonkinese woman. Cable's song "You've Got To Be Carefully Taught" is a self-loathing explanation of how he and Nellie acquired such deep-seated prejudice. [[spoiler:Nellie eventually overcomes her prejudice and learns to love Emile's children, but Cable is killed before he has a chance to reconcile with Liat.]]
19th Nov '15 7:27:42 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* This is Severus Snape's backstory in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' books. In his youth, he resented his abusive Muggle father and, by extension, Muggles and Muggle-born wizards and witches in general. The situation got worse when Snape became an outcast at Hogwarts; the only kids who accepted him were a group of even worse bigots who would eventually grow up to join [[BigBad Lord Voldemort's]] Death Eaters (as would Snape). Snape's bigotry drove a wedge between him and his Muggle-born friend [[spoiler:Lily Evans]], but he didn't see the light until [[spoiler:his boss Voldemort murdered Lily. After this, Snape became a ReverseMole for [[BigGood Dumbledore]] and abandoned his old bigotry out of respect for the only woman he ever loved.]]

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* This is Severus Snape's backstory in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' books. In his youth, he resented his abusive Muggle father and, by extension, Muggles and Muggle-born wizards and witches in general. The situation got worse when Snape became an outcast at Hogwarts; the only kids who accepted him were a group of even worse bigots who would eventually grow up to join [[BigBad Lord Voldemort's]] Death Eaters (as would Snape). Snape's bigotry drove a wedge between him and his Muggle-born friend [[spoiler:Lily Evans]], but he didn't see the light until [[spoiler:his boss Voldemort murdered Lily. After this, Snape became a ReverseMole for [[BigGood Dumbledore]] and abandoned his old bigotry out of respect for the only woman person he ever loved.]]
19th Nov '15 7:26:24 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* This is Severus Snape's backstory in the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' books. In his youth, he resented his abusive Muggle father and, by extension, Muggles and Muggle-born wizards and witches in general. The situation got worse when Snape became an outcast at Hogwarts; the only kids who accepted him were a group of even worse bigots who would eventually grow up to join [[BigBad Lord Voldemort's]] Death Eaters (as would Snape). Snape's bigotry drove a wedge between him and his Muggle-born friend [[spoiler:Lily Evans]], but he didn't see the light until [[spoiler:his boss Voldemort murdered Lily. After this, Snape became a ReverseMole for [[BigGood Dumbledore]] and abandoned his old bigotry out of respect for the only woman he ever loved.]]
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