History Main / TrappedByMountainLions

7th Aug '16 10:01:51 PM Anddrix
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* In ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', this is part of the [[BaseBreaker divisiveness]] among fans about the character of Vic Fontaine, a sentient hologram that takes the form of a 60's Vegas lounge singer. With the Dominion War and the fate of the entire galaxy and trillions of people resting on the main character's shoulders, many fans found themselves increasingly frustrated with how often the important War arc would be diverted into a pointless subplot involving Vic, often just to have him sing a swing number; twelve of them, in full, over less than two seasons, to be precise. This was also particularly jarring as characters began to frequent Vic's lounge more than Quark's bar, the ''real'' bar that they would have had to pass through in order to get into the holosuite.

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* In ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'', this is part of the [[BaseBreaker divisiveness]] divisiveness among fans about the character of Vic Fontaine, a sentient hologram that takes the form of a 60's Vegas lounge singer. With the Dominion War and the fate of the entire galaxy and trillions of people resting on the main character's shoulders, many fans found themselves increasingly frustrated with how often the important War arc would be diverted into a pointless subplot involving Vic, often just to have him sing a swing number; twelve of them, in full, over less than two seasons, to be precise. This was also particularly jarring as characters began to frequent Vic's lounge more than Quark's bar, the ''real'' bar that they would have had to pass through in order to get into the holosuite.
7th Aug '16 8:47:25 PM Hadjorim
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*** The show almost had another Sand Snakes "Trapped By Mountain Lions" story in Season 6, but managed to avoid it by... having no story at all. The Sand Snakes show up in the first episode to assassinate the Prince of Dorne and plunge the kingdom into open rebellion. Interesting stuff, but then Dorne and the Sand Snakes disappear completely until literally the final minutes of the season finale. It seems no matter what they do, viewers and TV critics agree that the Dorne arcs are the lowest points of the show.

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*** The show almost had another Sand Snakes "Trapped By Mountain Lions" story in Season 6, but managed to avoid it by... having no story at all. The Sand Snakes show up in the first episode to assassinate the Prince of Dorne and plunge the kingdom into open rebellion. Interesting stuff, but rebellion, and then Dorne and the Sand Snakes disappear completely until literally the final minutes of the season finale. It seems no matter what they do, viewers and TV critics agree that the Dorne arcs are the lowest points of the show.
7th Aug '16 8:43:57 PM Hadjorim
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** Theon's subplot in season 3, in which he simply pops up in several episodes to be tortured some more, with no forward progress being made in his story until the season finale, and even then that didn't involve him at all but his sister. This came about because in the source material the character is largely off-screen, but the show-runners had to give the actor something to do. Thus resulted a new low of gratuitous, even ''tedious'' torture, even for a show known for its callousness.

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** Theon's subplot in season 3, in which he simply pops up in several episodes to be tortured some more, with no forward progress being made in his story until the season finale, and even then that didn't involve him at all but his sister. This came about because in the source material the character is largely off-screen, but the show-runners had to give the actor something to do. Thus This resulted in a new low of gratuitous, even ''tedious'' torture, even for a show known for its callousness.like Game of Thrones.
1st Aug '16 7:53:43 AM longWriter
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* Rose, the StopHelpingMe girlfriend from ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 2|SonsOfLiberty}}'', won't stop calling and insisting on talking about her relationship with Raiden. Even though he's, you know, in the middle of a highly-dangerous mission all by himself.

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* Rose, the StopHelpingMe AnnoyingVideoGameHelper girlfriend from ''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear Solid 2|SonsOfLiberty}}'', won't stop calling and insisting on talking about her relationship with Raiden. Even though he's, you know, in the middle of a highly-dangerous mission all by himself.
22nd Jul '16 8:36:54 PM Hadjorim
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*** The show almost had another Sand Snakes "Trapped By Mountain Lions" Plot in Season 6, but managed to avoid it by... having no story at all. The Sand Snakes show up in the first episode to assassinate the Prince of Dorne and plunge the kingdom into open rebellion. Interesting stuff, but then Dorne and the Sand Snakes disappear completely until literally the final minutes of the season finale. It seems no matter what they do, viewers and TV critics agree that the Dorne arcs are the lowest points of the show.

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*** The show almost had another Sand Snakes "Trapped By Mountain Lions" Plot story in Season 6, but managed to avoid it by... having no story at all. The Sand Snakes show up in the first episode to assassinate the Prince of Dorne and plunge the kingdom into open rebellion. Interesting stuff, but then Dorne and the Sand Snakes disappear completely until literally the final minutes of the season finale. It seems no matter what they do, viewers and TV critics agree that the Dorne arcs are the lowest points of the show.
22nd Jul '16 8:31:06 PM Hadjorim
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** Daenerys' subplot is so distant from the primary action of the series that in many ways it seems like a completely separate show. For the first four seasons, there was only one character who had appeared in both her subplot (which is on another continent altogether) and the rest of the story. It's still overall liked, but still feels disjointed. This has slowly been averted throughout Season 5 and 6, thankfully; as Dany's army begins to grow in Essos, and more and more Westerosi factions are exhausted after the War of the Five Kings, many characters from the primary plot of the series are going to her in order to request alliances with her, making her story become more and more relevant to the main story. [[spoiler:By the end of Season 6, she's gotten involved with the stories of Tyrion, Varys, Theon and Yara, the Sand Snakes, and Olenna Tyrell, having made alliances with each of them directly or indirectly.]]
** Theon's subplot in season 3, in which he simply pops into several episodes to be tortured some more, with no forward progress being made until the season finale, and even then it doesn't involve Theon himself at all, but his sister. This came about because Theon doesn't feature at all in the third book of the source material, which was adapted into two seasons, and the actor couldn't be left hanging for all that time. The actual events shown are loosely based on Theon's flashbacks in the fifth books, and because the show has a strict 'no flashbacks' rule they decided to show the events in real time. While in the book the flashbacks allowed the author to simply come back to Theon two books later as a changed man, the show writers decided the audience needed to see what happened to Theon to explain his transformation when he re-entered the plot in Season 4.
** The show compressed the Dorne storyline in Season 5 into Jaime’s journey to return Myrcella back to King’s Landing and Ellaria Sand and the Sand Snakes’s RevengeBeforeReason arc to kill her. The results are quite bad coupled with poor production values (such as the mangled fight scene in the Water Gardens) and it ended moot where it had little effect on Jaime’s CharacterDevelopment [[spoiler:and Myrcella ended up dead before she got home]]. To make matters worse in the Season 6 premiere, Ellaria and the Sand Snakes killed [[spoiler:Doran and Trystane Martell]] because they don’t support their “revenge”. While these deaths had an effect which Jaime warned about it to his uncle Kevan, none of these developments made much of an impact. Though it’s justified that everyone in King’s Landing is busy dealing with the Faith Militant, whatever happened in Dorne is treated as an afterthought and whether this is an improvement from the books is hotly contested. But viewers and TV critics agreed that the Dorne arc is the lowest point of the show. By the time we reached the Season 6 finale, Dorne finally got involved in the war [[spoiler:when Varys came to get ships for Daenarys and when Olenna Tyrell lost her family to Cersei's wildfire]] which is more grating that all of Ellaria' complaints on Doran's apathy was just eye-rolling since Dorne had been absent for the rest of Season 6 after the first episode and she hasn't been doing anything afterwards.

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** Daenerys' subplot is so distant from the primary action of the series that in many ways it seems like a completely separate show. For the first four seasons, there was only one character who had appeared in both her subplot (which is on another continent altogether) and the rest of the story. It's still overall liked, but still feels disjointed. This has slowly been averted throughout Season 5 and 6, thankfully; as Dany's army begins to grow in Essos, and more and more Westerosi factions are exhausted after the War of the Five Kings, many characters from the primary plot of the series are going to her in order to request alliances with her, making her story become more and more relevant to the main story. [[spoiler:By the end of Season 6, she's gotten involved with the stories of Tyrion, Varys, Theon and Yara, the Sand Snakes, and Olenna Tyrell, having made alliances with each of them directly or indirectly.]]
** Theon's subplot in season 3, in which he simply pops into up in several episodes to be tortured some more, with no forward progress being made in his story until the season finale, and even then it doesn't that didn't involve Theon himself him at all, all but his sister. This came about because Theon doesn't feature at all in the third book of the source material, which was adapted into two seasons, and material the character is largely off-screen, but the show-runners had to give the actor couldn't be left hanging something to do. Thus resulted a new low of gratuitous, even ''tedious'' torture, even for all that time. The actual events shown are loosely based on Theon's flashbacks in the fifth books, and because the a show has a strict 'no flashbacks' rule they decided to show known for its callousness.
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the events in real time. While in worst storyline is generally agreed to be the book the flashbacks allowed the author to simply come back to Theon two books later as a changed man, the show writers decided the audience needed to see what happened to Theon to explain his transformation when he re-entered the plot Dorne subplot in Season 4.
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5. The cause was the same: two popular characters in the source material weren't doing much, so the show-runners had to give them something to do, concocting a caper-rescue-buddy-cop adventure which turned out to be utterly pointless. This is the same plotline that featured the "Sand Snakes" - originally hyped as strong, formidable female characters they turned out to largely be used for sex-appeal with some of the most ridiculous dialogue in the series.
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The show compressed the Dorne storyline almost had another Sand Snakes "Trapped By Mountain Lions" Plot in Season 5 into Jaime’s journey 6, but managed to return Myrcella back to King’s Landing and Ellaria avoid it by... having no story at all. The Sand and the Sand Snakes’s RevengeBeforeReason arc to kill her. The results are quite bad coupled with poor production values (such as the mangled fight scene Snakes show up in the Water Gardens) first episode to assassinate the Prince of Dorne and it ended moot where it had little effect on Jaime’s CharacterDevelopment [[spoiler:and Myrcella ended up dead before she got home]]. To make matters worse in plunge the Season 6 premiere, Ellaria kingdom into open rebellion. Interesting stuff, but then Dorne and the Sand Snakes killed [[spoiler:Doran and Trystane Martell]] because disappear completely until literally the final minutes of the season finale. It seems no matter what they don’t support their “revenge”. While these deaths had an effect which Jaime warned about it to his uncle Kevan, none of these developments made much of an impact. Though it’s justified that everyone in King’s Landing is busy dealing with the Faith Militant, whatever happened in Dorne is treated as an afterthought and whether this is an improvement from the books is hotly contested. But do, viewers and TV critics agreed agree that the Dorne arc is arcs are the lowest point points of the show. By the time we reached the Season 6 finale, Dorne finally got involved in the war [[spoiler:when Varys came to get ships for Daenarys and when Olenna Tyrell lost her family to Cersei's wildfire]] which is more grating that all of Ellaria' complaints on Doran's apathy was just eye-rolling since Dorne had been absent for the rest of Season 6 after the first episode and she hasn't been doing anything afterwards.show.
10th Jul '16 7:33:40 PM sayaleviathan
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** The show compressed the Dorne storyline in Season 5 into Jaime’s journey to return Myrcella back to King’s Landing and Ellaria Sand and the Sand Snakes’s RevengeBeforeReason arc to kill her. The results are quite bad coupled with poor production values (such as the mangled fight scene in the Water Gardens) and it ended moot where it had little effect on Jaime’s CharacterDevelopment [[spoiler:and Myrcella ended up dead before she got home]]. To make matters worse in the Season 6 premiere, Ellaria and the Sand Snakes killed [[spoiler:Doran and Trystane Martell]] because they don’t support their “revenge” which removed any possibility of [[spoiler:Doran’s plans to ally with Daenarys Targaryen from the books]]. While these deaths had an effect which Jaime warned about it to his uncle Kevan, none of these developments made much of an impact. Though it’s justified that everyone in King’s Landing is busy dealing with the Faith Militant, whatever happened in Dorne is treated as an afterthought and whether this is an improvement from the books is hotly contested. But viewers and TV critics agreed that the Dorne arc is the lowest point of the show.

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** The show compressed the Dorne storyline in Season 5 into Jaime’s journey to return Myrcella back to King’s Landing and Ellaria Sand and the Sand Snakes’s RevengeBeforeReason arc to kill her. The results are quite bad coupled with poor production values (such as the mangled fight scene in the Water Gardens) and it ended moot where it had little effect on Jaime’s CharacterDevelopment [[spoiler:and Myrcella ended up dead before she got home]]. To make matters worse in the Season 6 premiere, Ellaria and the Sand Snakes killed [[spoiler:Doran and Trystane Martell]] because they don’t support their “revenge” which removed any possibility of [[spoiler:Doran’s plans to ally with Daenarys Targaryen from the books]].“revenge”. While these deaths had an effect which Jaime warned about it to his uncle Kevan, none of these developments made much of an impact. Though it’s justified that everyone in King’s Landing is busy dealing with the Faith Militant, whatever happened in Dorne is treated as an afterthought and whether this is an improvement from the books is hotly contested. But viewers and TV critics agreed that the Dorne arc is the lowest point of the show. By the time we reached the Season 6 finale, Dorne finally got involved in the war [[spoiler:when Varys came to get ships for Daenarys and when Olenna Tyrell lost her family to Cersei's wildfire]] which is more grating that all of Ellaria' complaints on Doran's apathy was just eye-rolling since Dorne had been absent for the rest of Season 6 after the first episode and she hasn't been doing anything afterwards.
27th Jun '16 12:03:31 PM foxmccloud4387
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** Daenerys' subplot is so distant from the primary action of the series that in many ways it seems like a completely separate show. For the first four seasons, there was only one character who had appeared in both her subplot (which is on another continent altogether) and the rest of the story. It's still overall liked, but still feels disjointed. Such is the fate of the [[ThirdLineSomeWaiting third storyline]].

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** Daenerys' subplot is so distant from the primary action of the series that in many ways it seems like a completely separate show. For the first four seasons, there was only one character who had appeared in both her subplot (which is on another continent altogether) and the rest of the story. It's still overall liked, but still feels disjointed. Such is This has slowly been averted throughout Season 5 and 6, thankfully; as Dany's army begins to grow in Essos, and more and more Westerosi factions are exhausted after the fate War of the [[ThirdLineSomeWaiting third storyline]].Five Kings, many characters from the primary plot of the series are going to her in order to request alliances with her, making her story become more and more relevant to the main story. [[spoiler:By the end of Season 6, she's gotten involved with the stories of Tyrion, Varys, Theon and Yara, the Sand Snakes, and Olenna Tyrell, having made alliances with each of them directly or indirectly.]]
12th Jun '16 8:54:20 PM sayaleviathan
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* Y'know what was going on at the same time as CrisisCrossover ''Comicbook/CivilWar''? ''Comicbook/{{Annihilation}}'', aka the event where Annihilus killed Quasar and the all of Nova Corps (except Nova himself), stole the Quantum Bands thus making himself invincible, and then lead a Negative Zone army on a warpath, trying to slaughter all life in the ''galaxy''. This was a threat so big that almost every space superhero, villain, and alien race up to and including ''Galactus'' teamed up to stop it. Compared to that the events in ''Civil War'' seem incredibly pointless. Not to mention [[Comicbook/WorldWarHulk the Hulk was on his way back to rain holy hell on the superheroes]]. Lampshaded by a ''What If?'' Issue where Nova calls out Iron Man and Captain America on wasting everyone's time like this when a ''galaxy-destroying army of bugs'' is on the way.
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* ''China Mountain Zhang'' by Maureen [=McHugh=] focused on the titular protagonist but 3 of the 5 POV characters had little or no connection to the protagonist. Two of them were staying in a Martian commune where the protagonist never visited but he became an online tutor for one of the POV characters there while other one is an acquaintance to his friends and only had one encounter with him. However, these characters provided different perspectives of the political and cultural setting where the protagonist lived in.
12th Jun '16 8:49:33 PM sayaleviathan
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** The show compressed the Dorne storyline in Season 5 into Jaime’s journey to return Myrcella back to King’s Landing and Ellaria Sand and the Sand Snakes’s RevengeBeforeReason arc to kill her. The results are quite bad coupled with poor production values (such as the mangled fight scene in the Water Gardens) and it ended moot where it had little effect on Jaime’s CharacterDevelopment [[spoiler:and Myrcella ended up dead before she got home]]. To make matters worse in the Season 6 premiere, Ellaria and the Sand Snakes killed [[spoiler:Doran and Trystane Martell]] because they don’t support their “revenge” which removed any possibility of [[spoiler:Doran’s plans to ally with Daenarys Targaryen from the books]]. While these deaths had an effect which Jaime warned about it to his uncle Kevan, none of these developments made much of an impact. Though it’s justified that everyone in King’s Landing is busy dealing with the Faith Militant, whatever happened in Dorne is treated as an afterthought and whether this is an improvement from the books is hotly contested. But viewers and TV critics agreed that the Dorne arc is the lowest point of the show.
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