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24th Jun '16 11:03:07 AM StFan
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->'''Rigby:''' Benson, why do you hate us so much?
->'''Benson:''' ...*sigh* I don't hate you guys. I hate some of the things you do... I ''really'' hate some of the things you do... I know you don't mean them, but I'm your boss. It's my ''job'' to set you two straight.

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->'''Rigby:''' Benson, why do you hate us so much?
->'''Benson:''' ...
much?\\
'''Benson:''' ...
*sigh* I don't hate you guys. I hate some of the things you do... I ''really'' hate some of the things you do... I know you don't mean them, but I'm your boss. It's my ''job'' to set you two straight.



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--> '''V:''' [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor You said you wanted to live without fear]]. I wish there'd been an easier way, but there wasn't.

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--> '''V:''' -->'''V:''' [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor You said you wanted to live without fear]]. I wish there'd been an easier way, but there wasn't.



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* [[Literature/MonsterHunterInternational Owen Pitt]] remembers himself and his brother enduring this as a child. [[spoiler: Because their father knew one of them would [[HeroicSacrifice give his life for the world]].]]
* [[Literature/{{Private}} Noelle Lange's]] grandmother employed this in ''Vanished''. [[spoiler: Knowing Reed to be her granddaughter, she decided to test her loyalty by [[SecretTestOfCharacter faking Noelle's kidnapping and giving Reed a series of challenges to perform in order to save Noelle's life]]. At the end of '''Vanished''' she and Noelle come clean to Reed about the whole thing. Grandmother Lange's entire scheme in the book was to test that Reed was worthy of being a Lange. And that's not [[SecretLegacy even the whole story...]] ]]

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* [[Literature/MonsterHunterInternational ''Literature/MonsterHunterInternational'': Owen Pitt]] Pitt remembers himself and his brother enduring this as a child. [[spoiler: Because their father knew one of them would [[HeroicSacrifice give his life for the world]].]]
* [[Literature/{{Private}} ''Literature/{{Private}}'': Noelle Lange's]] Lange's grandmother employed this in ''Vanished''. [[spoiler: Knowing Reed to be her granddaughter, she decided to test her loyalty by [[SecretTestOfCharacter faking Noelle's kidnapping and giving Reed a series of challenges to perform in order to save Noelle's life]]. At the end of '''Vanished''' she and Noelle come clean to Reed about the whole thing. Grandmother Lange's entire scheme in the book was to test that Reed was worthy of being a Lange. And that's not [[SecretLegacy even the whole story...]] ]]






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-->'''Robin''': I did almost die from malnutrition on that wolf hunt last year.
-->'''Robin's dad''': I had to almost kill you for you to learn how to kill.

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-->'''Robin''': -->'''Robin:''' I did almost die from malnutrition on that wolf hunt last year.
-->'''Robin's dad''':
year.\\
'''Robin's dad:'''
I had to almost kill you for you to learn how to kill.



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* Klaus Wulfenbach in ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' orders his son around much like minions and (unlike minions) constantly gives him hard and sometimes [[SecretTest sneaky]] tests. Then the Baron is wounded and vultures circle around him, his reaction on seeing Gil defeating a mechanized army [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly]]? Unholy glee.
--> '''Klaus''': Now. Get me back to bed. [...] Aargh!
--> '''Dr. Sun''': I hope it was ''worth'' it.
--> '''Klaus''': Anything--being paralyzed for ''life''--would be an acceptable price for seeing what I have seen my son do today. Oh, ''yes''.

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* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'':
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Klaus Wulfenbach in ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' orders his son around much like minions and (unlike minions) constantly gives him hard and sometimes [[SecretTest sneaky]] tests. Then the Baron is wounded and vultures circle around him, his reaction on seeing Gil defeating a mechanized army [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome single-handedly]]? Unholy glee.
--> '''Klaus''': --->'''Klaus:''' Now. Get me back to bed. [...] Aargh!
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Aargh!\\
'''Dr. Sun''': Sun:''' I hope it was ''worth'' it.
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it.\\
'''Klaus''': Anything--being Anything -- being paralyzed for ''life''--would ''life'' -- would be an acceptable price for seeing what I have seen my son do today. Oh, ''yes''.



* This may be the case for how Quaintana views how she raises her children in ''{{Drowtales}}''. However her children (''not to mention readers of the comic'') view it as quite [[AbusiveParents the opposite]].

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This may be the case for how Quaintana views how she raises her children in ''{{Drowtales}}''.children. However her children (''not to mention readers of the comic'') view it as quite [[AbusiveParents the opposite]].



* Eric Sakai from ''SoulSymphony'', a sophomore in high school, was forced to start leaning to play violin by his grandparents when he was seven, was doing solo recitals at concert halls by twelve, and forced to start learning MORE string instruments by thirteen. He didn't want to, but it made him a [[ChildProdigy prodigy.]]

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* Eric Sakai from ''SoulSymphony'', ''Webcomic/SoulSymphony'', a sophomore in high school, was forced to start leaning to play violin by his grandparents when he was seven, was doing solo recitals at concert halls by twelve, and forced to start learning MORE string instruments by thirteen. He didn't want to, but it made him a [[ChildProdigy prodigy.]]



--> '''Ozai''': It was to teach you respect!\\
'''Zuko''': [[CallingTheOldManOut It was cruel, and it was wrong!]]\\
'''Ozai''': Then you have learned nothing!

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--> '''Ozai''': -->'''Ozai:''' It was to teach you respect!\\
'''Zuko''': '''Zuko:''' [[CallingTheOldManOut It was cruel, and it was wrong!]]\\
'''Ozai''': '''Ozai:''' Then you have learned nothing!



--> '''Brian:''' I'm not gonna call the hospital because you won't learn anything if I do.
* [[WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill Hank Hill]] goes through this with his son Bobby. At one point, he even says "I tried being nice, but now it's time for tough love."
** Oddly enough, despite his backward views on parenting, [[EveryoneHasStandards he draws the line at spanking]].
* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': The Pie parents may be dead-serious, strict, prone to anger and totally willing to let their fillies work all day long with rocks, not to mention their preference to speak in archaic english (They're based on the Amish, after all). But, [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold deep inside]], they truly love their four daughters equally and are very proud of them, and care a lot about Pinkie too, even if she's not the kind of mare they wanted to have.

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--> '''Brian:''' -->'''Brian:''' I'm not gonna call the hospital because you won't learn anything if I do.
* [[WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'': Hank Hill]] Hill goes through this with his son Bobby. At one point, he even says "I tried being nice, but now it's time for tough love."
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" Oddly enough, despite his backward views on parenting, [[EveryoneHasStandards he draws the line at spanking]].
* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': The Pie parents may be dead-serious, strict, prone to anger and totally willing to let their fillies work all day long with rocks, not to mention their preference to speak in archaic english (They're English (they're based on the Amish, after all). But, [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold deep inside]], they truly love their four daughters equally and are very proud of them, and care a lot about Pinkie too, even if she's not the kind of mare they wanted to have.



12th Jun '16 11:55:18 PM TylerL320
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* With ''{{VideoGame/Persona 4}}'''s [[LevelUpAtIntimacyFive Social Links]], the player is encouraged to do this with the use of {{Dialogue Tree}}s - the Social Links all revolve around helping a person overcome their own issues, and the protagonist essentially serves a role like a therapist. Being [[BrutalHonesty blunt and honest]], but also fair and not belittling or insulting, is generally considered the best option, and will result in the most positive response and allow quicker progression through the Link. Many of the more blunt options require a certain amount of Courage, Expression, or Understanding to perform. By contrast, coddling or ignoring the problems will result in the worst responses, and make the Link slower to complete. This tie's into the game's CentralTheme of uncovering truths both about the world and about yourself, no matter [[AwfulTruth how terrible they may be]].
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7th Jun '16 8:29:28 AM Wildstar93
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* In ''Ginga Densetsu Weed: Orion'' (the manga sequel to ''Anime/GingaDensetsuWeed'', at one point, [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure Gin]] has had it up to his muzzle with [[BrattyHalfPint Orion's]] bad attitude and foul mouth. What does he do? He picks the pup up and ''dangles him over a cliff as a warning'', telling him that he needs to grow up and be more mature. When Orion promises that, Gin puts him down beside him, telling his grandson to behave as a true leader should, using Weed (Gin's son and Orion's father) as an example.
3rd Jun '16 1:22:24 PM TheSnowSquirrel
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A variation of parenting which believes that love can best be provided via schooling them in [[SchoolOfHardKnocks life's hard knocks]]. This is believed to make said offspring stronger. Sometimes it works and the kid grows up to be BadAss but unable to [[NotGoodWithPeople display casual affection]]. However taken too far and the kid could end up an emotionally disturbed TheWoobie or even worse WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds for the supernaturally powered variant.

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A variation of parenting which believes that love can best be provided via schooling them in [[SchoolOfHardKnocks life's hard knocks]]. This is believed to make said offspring stronger. Sometimes it works and the kid grows up to be BadAss but unable to [[NotGoodWithPeople display casual affection]]. However taken too far and the kid could end up an emotionally disturbed TheWoobie or even worse WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds for the supernaturally powered variant.


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It should be noted that ToughLove is ''still'' an abuse trope,because the practice can be damaging and dangerous even if the one dishing it out explicitly means well. YouAreNotAlone.
25th May '16 8:27:24 PM Willbyr
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* [[KenichiTheMightiestDisciple History's Mightiest Disciple Kenichi]] gives poor Kenichi six masters, all of them incredibly brutal in their own way. All of them care a great deal about their disciple but still put him to the point of nearly dying from his training on a daily basis. As the story continues, the teachers [[UpToEleven increase the training]] for him to survive just the ruthless delinquents that come after him. When the Yami organization appears, however, the training [[SerialEscalation continually increases]]. However, the masters only go so far as they know Kenichi can take: if he's ever up against something that he honestly cannot handle, they ''will'' step in to save him.[[spoiler: That said, they have been known to kill him a few times; fortunately one of his masters can heal just about anything short of decapitation]]

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* [[KenichiTheMightiestDisciple History's Mightiest Disciple Kenichi]] ''Manga/KenichiTheMightiestDisciple'' gives poor Kenichi six masters, all of them incredibly brutal in their own way. All of them care a great deal about their disciple but still put him to the point of nearly dying from his training on a daily basis. As the story continues, the teachers [[UpToEleven increase the training]] for him to survive just the ruthless delinquents that come after him. When the Yami organization appears, however, the training [[SerialEscalation continually increases]]. However, the masters only go so far as they know Kenichi can take: if he's ever up against something that he honestly cannot handle, they ''will'' step in to save him.[[spoiler: That [[spoiler:That said, they have been known to kill him a few times; fortunately one of his masters can heal just about anything short of decapitation]]
5th May '16 4:30:15 AM Morgenthaler
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* Michael's father in the ''KnightAndRogueSeries'' is a firm believer of this. To give his son the steady, comfortable job of a steward, he's willing to crush Michael's dreams and even strip him of legal rights so he'll have no option but 'the best'.

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* Michael's father in the ''KnightAndRogueSeries'' ''Literature/KnightAndRogueSeries'' is a firm believer of this. To give his son the steady, comfortable job of a steward, he's willing to crush Michael's dreams and even strip him of legal rights so he'll have no option but 'the best'.
6th Apr '16 8:29:07 PM Gamermaster
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* [[BadAssGrandpa Vice-Admiral Garp]] of ''OnePiece'' is a firm advocate of the Tough Love principle. Just look at how he changed Helmeppo and Koby from cowards into legitimate badasses after taking them under his wing. It is also part of the reason why the [[RaisedbyGrandparents hero]] is ''terrified'' of him.

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* [[BadAssGrandpa Vice-Admiral Garp]] of ''OnePiece'' is a firm advocate of the Tough Love principle. Just look at how he changed Helmeppo and Koby Coby from cowards into legitimate badasses after taking them under his wing. It is also part of the reason why the [[RaisedbyGrandparents hero]] is ''terrified'' of him.
8th Mar '16 9:10:40 AM AsForMyHandle
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->'''Benson:''' ...*sigh* I don't hate you guys. I hate some of the things you do... I ''[[BerserkButton really]]'' hate some of the things you do... I know you don't mean them, but I'm your boss. It's my ''job'' to set you two straight.

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->'''Benson:''' ...*sigh* I don't hate you guys. I hate some of the things you do... I ''[[BerserkButton really]]'' ''really'' hate some of the things you do... I know you don't mean them, but I'm your boss. It's my ''job'' to set you two straight.



7th Mar '16 1:15:54 PM GrammarNavi
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* TenjhoTenge is the absolute master of this trope. From Mitsuomi's AloofBigBrother status, Dogen's intention to create a [[KnightTemplarParent "true warrior"]] using his eldest son, [[spoiler: Shin]] being locked up by his father to prevent him losing control of his powers to a [[CrowningMomentOfFunny hilarious scene]] between himself and Mana in a hospital, its fair to say that Tough Love must be part of the school curriculum.

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* TenjhoTenge Manga/TenjhoTenge is the absolute master of this trope. From Mitsuomi's AloofBigBrother status, Dogen's intention to create a [[KnightTemplarParent "true warrior"]] using his eldest son, [[spoiler: Shin]] being locked up by his father to prevent him losing control of his powers to a [[CrowningMomentOfFunny hilarious scene]] between himself and Mana in a hospital, its fair to say that Tough Love must be part of the school curriculum.
1st Jan '16 5:18:29 PM DinoMaurus
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': The Maheswaran parents firmly believe this is the perfect way to raise their daughter Connie. They love her but are usually quite strict, demanding and forbidding to set her on the right track so she can grow up to be a decent woman. That is, until the events of "Nightmare Hospital" [[spoiler: when Mrs Maheswaran realizes she's been way too strict with Connie to the point the poor girl feels rather afraid that her mom's harshness may never let her live her adventurous double-life with Seteven. Mrs Maheswaran has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment and decides to be a better, more loving and supportive mother for Connie]]. While Connie's dad doesn't show up in the episode, it's likely he may experience a change of heart as well.

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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': The Maheswaran parents firmly believe this is the perfect way to raise their daughter Connie. They love her but are usually quite strict, demanding and forbidding to set her on the right track so she can grow up to be a decent woman. That is, until the events of "Nightmare Hospital" [[spoiler: when Mrs Maheswaran realizes she's been way too strict with Connie to the point the poor girl feels rather afraid that her mom's harshness may never let her live her adventurous double-life with Seteven.Steven. Mrs Maheswaran has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment and decides to be a better, more loving and supportive mother for Connie]]. While Connie's dad doesn't show up in the episode, it's likely he may experience a change of heart as well.
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