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15th Jun '18 12:48:21 AM Naram-Sin
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** Brown is at it again in ''Origin'', presenting again a Spain in the firm grip of the Catholic Church (and [[AcceptableTargets the Catholic Church]] as being rubbed wrong by [[DanBrowned the revolutionary new concept of biological evolution]]) - or worse: the ''[[TheCult Palmarian]]'' [[FlatWhat Church]]. The villain carries a gun fashioned into what can only be described as a [[SymbologyResearchFailure comically sized rosary]], wich he then uses to block a door; a presumed average cop pursuing him, [[FridgeLogic apparently too stupid to realize that he can just remove it by hand]], is compelled to ask God for forgiveness before [[ShootOutTheLock shooting it]]. The Spanish monarchy is very much in absolute power, being divided between an ultra-Catholic king in his deathbed that is secretly controlled by an EvilChancellor bishop, and a liberal heir apparent (in all the early 19th century sense of the word).
3rd Jun '18 11:25:24 AM Naram-Sin
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** The one episode where bullfighting is a plot point ("Million Dollar Abie") is because the Old Hispanic Guy convinces Springfield to transform the local football stadium into a bullring, and Spain is not even mentioned (though the last scene is a clear ShoutOut to the Running of the Bulls).

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** The one episode where bullfighting is a plot point ("Million Dollar Abie") is because the Old Hispanic Guy convinces Springfield to transform the local football stadium into a bullring, and Spain is not even mentioned once (though the last scene is a clear ShoutOut to the Running of the Bulls).



** In "Waverly Hills, 9-0-2-1-D'oh" Homer and Marge go to a Tapas bar (with a sign reading "Not how the Spanish really eat" over the door). Marge defines eating tapas as "waiting for a meal that never arrives."

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** In "Waverly Hills, 9-0-2-1-D'oh" Homer and Marge go to a Tapas bar (with a sign reading "Not "[[LampshadeHanging Not how the Spanish really eat" eat]]" over the door). Marge defines eating tapas as "waiting for a meal that never arrives."
3rd Jun '18 10:21:46 AM Naram-Sin
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* In the ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' [[FollowTheLeader knock-off]] ''Wheelman'', set in Barcelona and starring Creator/VinDiesel, Vin's contact in the "Catalan underworld" is a skilled thief moonlighting as a Flamenco dancer for no seeming reason than the fact that she's Spanish. She looks very much like a sexy [[PhenotypeStereotype Gypsy woman stereotype]], which would at least add some verosimilitude here, but it is never clear if this was the developers' intention or they were just going for a SpicyLatina instead. There is also Flamenco-inspired music, a couple of missions in the bullring ''La Monumental'' (although it's closed down for reform in the game), and Vin drives a tanker truck brand "Toro de Lidia" at one point.
* Franco Gerelt of ''Videogame/StarGladiator'' is a honorable 24th century matador that is forced to fight for the BigBad after [[IHaveYourWife he kidnapped his wife and daughter]] and surgically placed [[WhyAmITicking a bomb]] in his body. His WeaponOfChoice is a [[LaserBlade laser]] [[RoyalRapier rapier]].
* ''Videogame/ShinMegamiTensei'' has Matador, the arrogant and aptly-named [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot zombie-demon-pirate-bullfighter]]. It is implied that he was a real matador who died in the arena. His top attacks are called "Golpe Andalucia" and "Red Capote".

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* In the ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' [[FollowTheLeader knock-off]] ''Wheelman'', set in Barcelona and starring Creator/VinDiesel, Vin's contact in the "Catalan underworld" is a skilled thief moonlighting as a Flamenco dancer for no seeming reason than the fact that she's Spanish. She looks very much like a sexy [[PhenotypeStereotype Gypsy woman stereotype]], HotGypsyWoman stereotype, which would at least add have some verosimilitude here, verosimilitude, but it is never clear unknown if this was the developers' intention or they were just going for a SpicyLatina instead.SpicyLatina. There is also Flamenco-inspired music, a couple of missions in the bullring ''La Monumental'' (although it's closed down for reform in the game), and Vin drives a tanker truck brand "Toro de Lidia" at one point.
* Franco Gerelt of ''Videogame/StarGladiator'' is a honorable 24th century matador that who is forced to fight for the BigBad after [[IHaveYourWife he kidnapped his wife and daughter]] and surgically placed [[WhyAmITicking a bomb]] in his body. His WeaponOfChoice is a [[LaserBlade laser]] [[RoyalRapier rapier]].
* ''Videogame/ShinMegamiTensei'' has Matador, the arrogant and aptly-named [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot zombie-demon-pirate-bullfighter]]. It is implied that he was a real matador [[WasOnceAMan human matador]] who died in the arena. His top attacks are called "Golpe Andalucia" and "Red Capote".
15th Apr '18 9:02:30 PM lakingsif
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[[caption-width-right:320:The idyllic [[{{Spexico}} Spanish town]] brought to you [[VisualPun by Red Bull]]! ]]

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[[caption-width-right:320:The idyllic [[{{Spexico}} Spanish town]] -- ''of UsefulNotes/{{Madrid}}'' -- brought to you [[VisualPun by Red Bull]]! ]]
6th Apr '18 8:56:44 PM nombretomado
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* In the ''Franchise/GrandTheftAuto'' [[FollowTheLeader knock-off]] ''Wheelman'', set in Barcelona and starring Creator/VinDiesel, Vin's contact in the "Catalan underworld" is a skilled thief moonlighting as a Flamenco dancer for no seeming reason than the fact that she's Spanish. She looks very much like a sexy [[PhenotypeStereotype Gypsy woman stereotype]], which would at least add some verosimilitude here, but it is never clear if this was the developers' intention or they were just going for a SpicyLatina instead. There is also Flamenco-inspired music, a couple of missions in the bullring ''La Monumental'' (although it's closed down for reform in the game), and Vin drives a tanker truck brand "Toro de Lidia" at one point.

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* In the ''Franchise/GrandTheftAuto'' ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' [[FollowTheLeader knock-off]] ''Wheelman'', set in Barcelona and starring Creator/VinDiesel, Vin's contact in the "Catalan underworld" is a skilled thief moonlighting as a Flamenco dancer for no seeming reason than the fact that she's Spanish. She looks very much like a sexy [[PhenotypeStereotype Gypsy woman stereotype]], which would at least add some verosimilitude here, but it is never clear if this was the developers' intention or they were just going for a SpicyLatina instead. There is also Flamenco-inspired music, a couple of missions in the bullring ''La Monumental'' (although it's closed down for reform in the game), and Vin drives a tanker truck brand "Toro de Lidia" at one point.
19th Mar '18 8:47:24 PM Naram-Sin
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** Bart, being the poster child of the BookDumb trope including GlobalIgnorance, believes that ''Toro''nto is in Spain.
19th Mar '18 8:42:37 PM Naram-Sin
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* Creator/JeanClaudeVanDamme's ''Film/TheQuest'' features a fighter representing the unarmed martial arts of Spain. However, instead of a folk wrestler or a lucha canaria stylist, the film presents a cocky guy dressed like a cantaor de flamenco who does random bullfighting poses during the matches and fights with spinning kicks (he is even played by a practitioner of UsefulNotes/{{Taekwondo}}, which is the least Spanish thing expectable when talking about martial arts).
* An interesting subversion happened in the ''Film/{{Tekken}}'' movie, whose producers thought Miguel Caballero Rojo's street fighting style wasn't Spanish enough, so they changed it for a Basque martial art named ''zipota''. However, in real life ''zipota'' is completely unknown in Spain and is widely considered to be a fraud made up by its Texan promoter.

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* Creator/JeanClaudeVanDamme's ''Film/TheQuest'' features a fighter representing the unarmed martial arts of Spain. However, instead of a folk wrestler or a lucha canaria ''lucha canaria'' stylist, the film presents a cocky guy dressed like a cantaor ''cantaor de flamenco flamenco'' who does random bullfighting poses during the matches and fights with spinning kicks (he is even played by a practitioner of UsefulNotes/{{Taekwondo}}, which is the least Spanish thing expectable when talking about martial arts).
** Said Taekwondo fighter, Peter Malota, is [[FakeNationality actually Albanian]] and wears a belt with the Albanian flag as a homage to his country. We are lucky the movie takes place in TheTwenties, only a decade later a Spaniard with a black eagle insignia would have a rather [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francoist_Spain particular connotation]].
* An interesting subversion happened in the ''Film/{{Tekken}}'' movie, whose producers thought Miguel Caballero Rojo's street fighting style wasn't Spanish enough, so they changed it for a Basque martial art named ''zipota''. ''Zipota''. However, in real life ''zipota'' ''Zipota'' is completely unknown in Spain and is widely considered to be a fraud made up by its Texan promoter.



** Of note is the Running of the Bulls being interrupted by people carrying Holy Week ''Pasos'', except they have [[SymbologyResearchFailure bull and matador figures instead of saints]]; the fact that there seems to be a treeless desert outside of "Lisbon", and that the cathedral and bullring look like dead-ringers for Madrid's La Almudena and Las Ventas, respectively.



* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': In "Peter's Got Woods," Peter makes Brian go to a PTA-meeting at James Woods High School in his place and Brian's surprised to see Quagmire there as well, despite being single and (presumably) having no children (let alone ones who attend that particular high school). Quagmire points out to Brian that he's had sex with women all over the world and that he very well could have kids in their twenties--then the episode cuts to "Madrid, Spain," represented by a Spanish colonial villa in what appears to be a desert, where a woman (speaking in an [[ShownTheirWork surprisingly good Spaniard accent]]) berates a man (presumably her husband) who looks like Quagmire (but with a ponytail and a {{Film/Cantinflas}} [[{{Spexico}} 'stache]]) for coming home so late. Before leaving again, the man goes on a much-less-well-accented rant ending (in Spanish) with "I'm going to go see a bullfight!"

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* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': In "Peter's Got Woods," Peter makes Brian go to a PTA-meeting at James Woods High School in his place and Brian's Brian is surprised to see find Quagmire there as well, there, despite being single and (presumably) having no children (let alone ones who attend that particular high school). Quagmire points out to Brian that he's had sex with women all over the world and that he very well could have kids in their twenties--then the episode cuts to "Madrid, Spain," represented by a Spanish colonial villa in what appears to be a desert, where a woman (speaking in an [[ShownTheirWork surprisingly good Spaniard accent]]) berates a man (presumably her husband) who [[StrongFamilyResemblance looks like Quagmire Quagmire]] (but with [[Film/ElMariachi a ponytail ponytail]] and a {{Film/Cantinflas}} [[{{Spexico}} 'stache]]) for coming home so late. Before leaving again, the man goes on a much-less-well-accented Spanish rant ending (in Spanish) with "I'm going to go see a bullfight!"
21st Feb '18 12:39:45 PM Cieloazul
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Additionally, the Running is often portrayed as featuring hundreds of bulls on a murderous stampede. In RealLife, though, there's generally no more than fifteen bulls, released in groups of four to six, and they're often surrounded by a larger crowd of people, including a group running around them to keep them following the right path. Bonus points if the work even decides to portray the correct path they follow, or simply has them rampaging through any of the city's streets freely.

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Additionally, the Running is often portrayed as featuring hundreds of bulls on a murderous stampede. In RealLife, though, there's generally no more than fifteen bulls, released in groups of four to six, and they're often surrounded by a larger crowd of people, including a group running around them to keep them following the right path. Bonus points if the work even decides to portray the correct path they follow, or simply has them rampaging freely through any of the city's streets freely.
and wreaking havoc.



In RealLife Spain this trope is known as ''una españolada''[[note]]Which is "Spanish", plus the the suffix -ada ("español" + "ada"). This is the normal construction in Spain for referring to national stereotypes in general. For example, for referring to [[{{Eagleland}} American stereotypes]], it would be "americanada" ("americano" + "ada").[[/note]] or the even more derogatory ''España de pandereta'' ("Tambourine Spain").

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In RealLife Spain this trope is known as ''una españolada''[[note]]Which is "Spanish", plus the the suffix -ada ("español" + "ada"). This is the normal construction in Spain for referring to national stereotypes in general. For example, for referring to [[{{Eagleland}} American stereotypes]], it would be "americanada" ("americano" + "ada").[[/note]] or the even more derogatory ''España de pandereta'' ("Tambourine Spain").
Spain").[[note]]Which is also used in debate to criticize the social and/or politic ordeals associated with Spanish culture.[[/note]]



* There is a sequence taking place in this kind of Spain near the beginning of ''Film/MissionImpossibleII'', where they managed to mix Pamplona's Running of the Bulls with Seville's Easter processions, Valencia's Falles, and about any other Spanish cliché. Also, Anthony Hopkins tells Tom Cruise that "the people are burning the saints to worship them"... which is completely false. The already mentioned Falles DO burn figures, but not of saints, and in Easter processions figures of saints are taken out, but NOT burned.

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* There is a sequence taking place in this kind of Spain near the beginning of ''Film/MissionImpossibleII'', where they managed to mix Pamplona's Running of the Bulls with Seville's Easter processions, Valencia's Falles, and about any other Spanish cliché. Also, Anthony Hopkins tells Tom Cruise that "the people are burning the saints to worship them"... them", which is completely false. The false; the already mentioned Falles DO burn figures, but not of saints, and in Easter processions figures of saints are taken out, but NOT burned.



* In the original script of ''VickyCristinaBarcelona'' Juan Antonio was a bullfighter, but the Catalan public broadcasting company, which was one of the producers of the film, [[ExecutiveMeddling told]] [[Creator/WoodyAllen Allen]] to change it and he became a painter. Catalan moviegoers were also disappointed that the local characters only spoke Spanish and English and had rather stereotypical Spanish names.

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* In the original script of ''VickyCristinaBarcelona'' Juan Antonio was a bullfighter, but the Catalan public broadcasting company, which was one of the producers of the film, [[ExecutiveMeddling told]] [[Creator/WoodyAllen Allen]] to change it and he became a painter.painter, a profession more associated with Catalan culture. Catalan moviegoers were also disappointed that the local characters only spoke Spanish and English and had rather stereotypical Spanish names.



* Creator/JeanClaudeVanDamme's ''Film/TheQuest'' features a fighter representing the unarmed martial arts of Spain. However, instead of a folk wrestler or a lucha canaria stylist, they introduce a cocky guy dressed like a cantaor de flamenco who does random bullfighting poses during the matches (and who fights with something resembling taekwondo, which is the least Spanish thing expectable).

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* Creator/JeanClaudeVanDamme's ''Film/TheQuest'' features a fighter representing the unarmed martial arts of Spain. However, instead of a folk wrestler or a lucha canaria stylist, they introduce the film presents a cocky guy dressed like a cantaor de flamenco who does random bullfighting poses during the matches (and who and fights with something resembling taekwondo, spinning kicks (he is even played by a practitioner of UsefulNotes/{{Taekwondo}}, which is the least Spanish thing expectable).expectable when talking about martial arts).
* An interesting subversion happened in the ''Film/{{Tekken}}'' movie, whose producers thought Miguel Caballero Rojo's street fighting style wasn't Spanish enough, so they changed it for a Basque martial art named ''zipota''. However, in real life ''zipota'' is completely unknown in Spain and is widely considered to be a fraud made up by its Texan promoter.
10th Feb '18 10:58:02 AM TMNTFanGirl
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* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': In "Peter's Got Woods," Peter makes Brian go to a PTA-meeting in his place and Brian is surprised to see Quagmire at the meeting, despite being single and (presumably) having no children. Quagmire replies that he has had sex with women all over the world, and that he very well could have kids in their twenties. Soon enough, the show cuts to "Madrid, Spain," represented by a Spanish colonial villa in what appears to be a desert, where a woman (speaking in an [[ShownTheirWork surprisingly good Spaniard accent]]) berates a man who looks like Quagmire (but with a ponytail and a {{Film/Cantinflas}} [[{{Spexico}} 'stache]]) for coming in late. Before leaving again, the man goes on a much-less-well-accented rant ending with "I'm going to see a bullfight!"

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* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'': In "Peter's Got Woods," Peter makes Brian go to a PTA-meeting at James Woods High School in his place and Brian is Brian's surprised to see Quagmire at the meeting, there as well, despite being single and (presumably) having no children. children (let alone ones who attend that particular high school). Quagmire replies points out to Brian that he has he's had sex with women all over the world, world and that he very well could have kids in their twenties. Soon enough, twenties--then the show episode cuts to "Madrid, Spain," represented by a Spanish colonial villa in what appears to be a desert, where a woman (speaking in an [[ShownTheirWork surprisingly good Spaniard accent]]) berates a man (presumably her husband) who looks like Quagmire (but with a ponytail and a {{Film/Cantinflas}} [[{{Spexico}} 'stache]]) for coming in home so late. Before leaving again, the man goes on a much-less-well-accented rant ending (in Spanish) with "I'm going to go see a bullfight!"



** In "Waverly Hills, 9-0-2-1-D'oh" Homer and Marge go to a Tapas bar (with a sign reading "Not how the Spanish really eat" over the door). Marge defines eating tapas as "waiting for a meal that never arrives".

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** In "Waverly Hills, 9-0-2-1-D'oh" Homer and Marge go to a Tapas bar (with a sign reading "Not how the Spanish really eat" over the door). Marge defines eating tapas as "waiting for a meal that never arrives".arrives."
28th Jan '18 12:41:52 AM Naram-Sin
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** Miguel is canonically from Buñol, a popular tourist destination in Japan because of its annual tomato fight. Buñol is a figthing location in the games, with people throwing tomatos at each other in the background while the players kick the shit of each other.

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** Miguel is canonically from Buñol, a popular tourist destination in Japan because of its annual tomato fight. Buñol is a figthing location in the games, with people throwing tomatos at each other in the background while the players kick the shit out of each other.
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