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17th Nov '17 8:59:05 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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If you don't know why this trope fails that much at Geography, you should know that the Running of the Bulls (celebrated on the week beginning the 7th of July on the day know as "San Fermín") is celebrated only in Pamplona. The "Feria de Abril" (April Fair) where women actually dress with tiered spotted skirts and men wear chaqués is celebrated only in Seville. The distance between those cities is ''over 600 miles'', being the former at the north, and the latter to the south.[[note]]And bullfight tradition is ''not'' extended the same way across all Spain. On its northernmost regions is usually less or even far less extended than in central or southern Spain, even if you can find there plenty of bovines -but for their milk and meat-. Not to mention that younger generations tend to either ignore or ''vilify'' the practice[[/note]]. Yet in fiction, both seem to happen at the same time and place.

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If you don't know why this trope fails that much at Geography, you should know that the Running of the Bulls (celebrated on the week beginning the 7th of July on the day know as "San Fermín") is celebrated only in Pamplona. The "Feria de Abril" (April Fair) where women actually dress with tiered spotted skirts and men wear chaqués is celebrated only in Seville. The distance between those cities is ''over 600 miles'', being the former at the north, and the latter to the south.[[note]]And bullfight tradition is ''not'' extended the same way across all Spain. On its northernmost regions is usually less or even far less extended than in central or southern Spain, even if you can find there plenty of bovines -but there - for their milk and meat-. meat. Not to mention that younger generations tend to either ignore or ''vilify'' the practice[[/note]]. practice.[[/note]] Yet in fiction, both seem to happen at the same time and place.
13th Nov '17 2:40:35 AM Naram-Sin
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* ''Videogame/ShinMegamiTensei'' has Matador, the aptly-named arrogant [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot zombie-demon-pirate-bullfighter]]. It is implied that he was a real matador who died in the arena. His top attacks are called "Golpe Andalucia" and "Red Capote".

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* ''Videogame/ShinMegamiTensei'' has Matador, the arrogant and aptly-named arrogant [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot zombie-demon-pirate-bullfighter]]. It is implied that he was a real matador who died in the arena. His top attacks are called "Golpe Andalucia" and "Red Capote".
13th Nov '17 2:39:05 AM Naram-Sin
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* At his debut in ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}} 6'', Miguel, the Spanish representative in the King of Iron Fist Tournament, dressed in bullfighter-inspired attire. The resulting backlash over the blatant employment of a national stereotype (something ''Tekken'' usually doesn't rely on, unlike ''Street Fighter'' where it's part of the point) made Namco change his standard outfit in ''Tekken Tag Tournament 2'', to something more akin to the street brawler he is.

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* At his debut in ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}} 6'', Miguel, Miguel Caballero Rojo, the Spanish representative in the King of Iron Fist Tournament, dressed in bullfighter-inspired attire. The resulting backlash over the blatant employment of a national stereotype (something ''Tekken'' usually doesn't rely on, unlike ''Street Fighter'' where it's part of the point) made Namco change his standard outfit in ''Tekken Tag Tournament 2'', to something more akin to the street brawler he is.is.
** Miguel is canonically from Buñol, a popular tourist destination in Japan because of its annual tomato fight. Buñol is a figthing location in the games, with people throwing tomatos at each other in the background while the players kick the shit of each other.



* Franco Gerelt of ''VideoGame/StarGladiator'' is a honorable 24th century matador that is forced to fight for the BigBad after [[IHaveYourWife he kidnapped his wife and daughter]] and surgically placed [[WhyAmITicking a bomb]] in his body. His WeaponOfChoice is a [[LaserBlade laser]] [[RoyalRapier rapier]].

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* Franco Gerelt of ''VideoGame/StarGladiator'' ''Videogame/StarGladiator'' is a honorable 24th century matador that is forced to fight for the BigBad after [[IHaveYourWife he kidnapped his wife and daughter]] and surgically placed [[WhyAmITicking a bomb]] in his body. His WeaponOfChoice is a [[LaserBlade laser]] [[RoyalRapier rapier]].rapier]].
* ''Videogame/ShinMegamiTensei'' has Matador, the aptly-named arrogant [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot zombie-demon-pirate-bullfighter]]. It is implied that he was a real matador who died in the arena. His top attacks are called "Golpe Andalucia" and "Red Capote".



* The ''WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse2013'' short "[[Recap/MickeyMouseS2E16AlRojoVivo Al Rojo Vivo]]" takes place during the Running of the Bulls. It also includes another Spanish festival, La Tomatina (the one where they [[FoodFight throw tomatoes at each other]]), which takes place in a different town and at another time of year.

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* The ''WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse2013'' short "[[Recap/MickeyMouseS2E16AlRojoVivo Al Rojo Vivo]]" takes place during the Running of the Bulls. It also includes another Spanish festival, La Tomatina (the one where they [[FoodFight throw tomatoes at each other]]), which takes place in a different town and at another time t
ime
of year.
13th Nov '17 2:22:47 AM Naram-Sin
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* Franco Gerelt of ''VideoGame/StarGladiator'' is a honorable 24th century matador that is forced to fight for the BigBad after [[IHaveYourWife he kidnapped his wife and daughter]] and surgically placed [[WhyAmITicking a bomb]] in his body. His WeaponOfChoice is a [[LaserBlade laser]] [[RoyalRapier rapier]].
2nd Nov '17 12:36:30 AM Naram-Sin
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* Creator/SidneySheldon's ''The Sands of Time'' grabs this trope hard in the first line of the prologue and doesn't let it go until the end of the epilogue, 400 pages later. Colorfully-costumed gypsies traveling in wooden wagons are a common sight in 1970s Segovia[[note]]We only have a couple mentions that Franco died the year before as hints of this; otherwise, the prologue and epilogue push the idea that the book is set in the modern day (1988 at the time it was released), and the description of the country is consistently between Hemingway's ''For whom the bell tolls'' and Mérimée's ''Carmen.''[[/note]], everyone is a fan of El Cid, the only source of entertainment is bullfighting-related,[[note]]With special mention to the version of [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans Pamplona's Running]] that opens the book, [[WritersHaveNoSenseOfScale where the bulls knock down statues and chunks of buildings.]][[/note]] the only dance is flamenco, the only meals are chorizo, gazpacho and paella, and the only thing resembling political activism is done by the Catholic Church (which is portrayed as the mortal enemy of the [[UsefulNotes/TheFrancoRegime Francoist dictatorship]] and [[ArtisticLicenseHistory every Spanish government of the past 300 years]] ''except'' for the [[CriticalResearchFailure Second Republic]]). The main plot follows four [[AuthorAppeal sexually repressed]] HollywoodNuns [[NunTooHoly as they ride shotgun]] with a group of [[WillTheyOrWontThey alluring]] LovableRogue [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters ETA terrorists]] while they travel through the Guadarrama mountains killing fascists and being cheered on by the people, Franchise/{{Zorro}}-style.

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* Creator/SidneySheldon's ''The Sands of Time'' grabs this trope hard in the first line of the prologue and doesn't let it go until the end of the epilogue, 400 pages later. Colorfully-costumed gypsies traveling in wooden wagons are a common sight in 1970s Segovia[[note]]We only have a couple mentions that Franco died the year before as hints of this; otherwise, the prologue and epilogue push the idea that the book is set in the modern day (1988 at the time it was released), and the description of the country is consistently between Hemingway's ''For whom the bell tolls'' and Mérimée's ''Carmen.''[[/note]], everyone is a fan of El Cid, the only source of entertainment is bullfighting-related,[[note]]With special mention to the version of [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans Pamplona's Running]] that opens the book, [[WritersHaveNoSenseOfScale where the bulls knock down statues and chunks of buildings.]][[/note]] the only dance is flamenco, the only meals are chorizo, gazpacho and paella, and the only thing resembling political activism is done by the Catholic Church (which is portrayed as the mortal enemy of the [[UsefulNotes/TheFrancoRegime Francoist dictatorship]] and [[ArtisticLicenseHistory every Spanish government of the past 300 years]] ''except'' for the [[CriticalResearchFailure Second Republic]]). The main plot follows four [[AuthorAppeal sexually repressed]] HollywoodNuns [[NunTooHoly as they ride shotgun]] with a group of [[WillTheyOrWontThey alluring]] LovableRogue [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters ETA terrorists]] while they travel terrorists]], traveling through the Guadarrama mountains while killing fascists and being cheered on by the people, Franchise/{{Zorro}}-style.
1st Oct '17 1:22:15 PM nombretomado
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* In the original script of ''VickyCristinaBarcelona'' Juan Antonio was a bullfighter, but the Catalan public broadcasting company, which was one of the producers of the film, [[ExecutiveMeddling told]] [[WoodyAllen Allen]] to change it and he became a painter. Catalan moviegoers were also disappointed that the local characters only spoke Spanish and English and had rather stereotypical Spanish names.

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* In the original script of ''VickyCristinaBarcelona'' Juan Antonio was a bullfighter, but the Catalan public broadcasting company, which was one of the producers of the film, [[ExecutiveMeddling told]] [[WoodyAllen [[Creator/WoodyAllen Allen]] to change it and he became a painter. Catalan moviegoers were also disappointed that the local characters only spoke Spanish and English and had rather stereotypical Spanish names.
2nd Aug '17 11:28:13 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* The Running of the Bulls is parodied as "The Running of the Jew" in ''{{Film/Borat}}''. Althought it's supposed to take place [[TheyJustDidntCare in Kazakhstan]] and it was shot [[CaliforniaDoubling in Romania]].

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* The Running of the Bulls is parodied as "The Running of the Jew" in ''{{Film/Borat}}''. Althought it's supposed to take place [[TheyJustDidntCare in Kazakhstan]] Kazakhstan and it was shot [[CaliforniaDoubling in Romania]].
1st Aug '17 5:11:51 PM Naram-Sin
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* The Running of the Bulls is parodied as "The Running of the Jew" in ''{{Film/Borat}}''. Althought it's supposed to take place [[TheyJustDidntCare in Kazakhstan]] and it was shot [[CaliforniaDoubling in Romania]].
15th Jul '17 3:38:17 PM nombretomado
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* Mostly averted in ''Anime/KujiraNoJosephina (Josephina The Whale)''. Since the series is based in a children's book by a Spanish writer, it depicts the Madrid of the years after WorldWarII in a more realistic light - as possible as it can be through the eyes of a pre-teenager and his ImaginaryFriend, of course. In fact, one of the most important episodes towards the end [[spoiler: (when Santi meets [[FirstLove his soon-to-be girlfriend Celia]], [[ComingOfAgeStory takies the definitive steps towards teenagehood]] and leaves Josefina behind)]] takes place in [[http://wikitravel.org/en/El_Escorial El Escorial]], an historical residence of Spanish royalty that is located in a town near Madrid.

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* Mostly averted in ''Anime/KujiraNoJosephina (Josephina The Whale)''. Since the series is based in a children's book by a Spanish writer, it depicts the Madrid of the years after WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII in a more realistic light - as possible as it can be through the eyes of a pre-teenager and his ImaginaryFriend, of course. In fact, one of the most important episodes towards the end [[spoiler: (when Santi meets [[FirstLove his soon-to-be girlfriend Celia]], [[ComingOfAgeStory takies the definitive steps towards teenagehood]] and leaves Josefina behind)]] takes place in [[http://wikitravel.org/en/El_Escorial El Escorial]], an historical residence of Spanish royalty that is located in a town near Madrid.
12th Jun '17 5:29:02 PM Naram-Sin
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* In the ''Franchise/GrandTheftAuto'' [[FollowTheLeader knock-off]] ''Wheelman'', set in Barcelona and starring Creator/VinDiesel, Vin's contact in the "Catalan underworld" is a skilled thief moonlighting as a Flamenco dancer for no seeming reason than the fact that she's Spanish. She looks very much like a sexy [[PhenotypeStereotype Gypsy woman stereotype]], which would at least add some verosimilitude here, but it is never clear if this was the developers' intention or they were just going for a SpicyLatina instead. There is also Flamenco-inspired music, a couple of missions in the bullring ''La Monumental'' (although it's closed down for reform in the game), and Vin drives a tanker truck brand "Toro de Lidia" at one point.
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