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22nd Sep '16 9:58:03 AM Naram-Sin
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* Already in the 1860s, the French writer Jean-Charles Davillier complained that there weren't as many ''mantillas'' and gypsy dancers in the Spain he visited as previous travel literature had let him to believe.

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* Already in the 1860s, the French writer Jean-Charles Davillier complained that there weren't as many ''mantillas'' and gypsy dancers in the Spain he visited as previous travel literature had let led him to believe.
19th Sep '16 12:22:15 PM Naram-Sin
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* The episode "El Toro Bravo" of ''CriminalMindsBeyondBorders'', starting with the title itself. Two killers involved in the bullfighting business see themselves as a master and apprentice matador when they "bullfight" foreign tourists who disrespect the bulls or the festival itself during [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans the Running of the Bulls of Pamplona]]. And they can't catch the killers sooner because everyone in Spain is a sucker to the Catholic Church and "[[AristocratsAreEvil old names]]", even after they have fallen in disgrace. Throw in some bizarre references to ''Literature/DonQuixote'' and Basque nationalism, a bit of techno-Flamenco in the beginning and bullfighting-inspired music at the end and you have your Spanish episode.

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* The episode "El Toro Bravo" of ''CriminalMindsBeyondBorders'', ''Series/CriminalMindsBeyondBorders'', starting with [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin the title itself.itself]]. Two killers involved in the bullfighting business see themselves as a master and apprentice matador when they "bullfight" foreign tourists who disrespect the bulls or the festival itself during [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans the Running of the Bulls of Pamplona]]. And they the police can't catch the killers sooner because everyone in Spain is a sucker to the Catholic Church and "[[AristocratsAreEvil [[AristocratsAreEvil old names]]", names]], even after they have [[ImpoverishedPatrician fallen in disgrace. disgrace]]. Throw in some [[SymbologyResearchFailure bizarre references references]] to ''Literature/DonQuixote'' and Basque nationalism, a bit of techno-Flamenco in the beginning and bullfighting-inspired music at the end and you have your Spanish episode.
19th Sep '16 12:13:11 PM Naram-Sin
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* Prosper Merimee's ''Theatre/{{Carmen}}'', especially the opera by Georges Bizet, is one of the oldest examples of this trope.

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* Prosper Merimee's ''Theatre/{{Carmen}}'', especially Mérimée's ''Carmen'' (published 1847 and [[RippedFromTheHeadlines based on an anecdote from 1830]]), and [[AdaptationDisplacement especially]] the opera [[{{Theatre/Carmen}} 1870 opera]] by Georges Bizet, is one of the oldest examples of this trope.



* Creator/SidneySheldon's ''The Sands of Time'' grabs this trope hard in the first line of the prologue and doesn't let it go until the end of the epilogue, 400 pages later. Colorfully-costumed gypsies traveling in wooden wagons are a common sight in Segovia, everyone is a fan of El Cid, the only source of entertainment is bullfighting-related (special nod to the version of [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans Pamplona's Running]] that opens the book, [[WritersHaveNoSenseOfScale with bulls knocking down statues and chunks of buildings]]), the only dance is flamenco, the only meals are chorizo, gazpacho and paella, and the only thing remotely close to politics is done by the Catholic Church. The main plot follows four [[AuthorAppeal sexually repressed]] nuns [[NunTooHoly riding shotgun]] with a group of [[WillTheyOrWontThey alluring]] LovableRogue ETA terrorists as they travel through the Guadarrama mountains while killing fascists and being cheered on by the people, {{Zorro}}-style. To say that the novel is [[TheyJustDidntCare one big pile]] of CriticalResearchFailure after another is an {{Understatement}}.

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* Creator/SidneySheldon's ''The Sands of Time'' grabs this trope hard in the first line of the prologue and doesn't let it go until the end of the epilogue, 400 pages later. Colorfully-costumed gypsies traveling in wooden wagons are a common sight in Segovia, 1970s Segovia[[note]]We only have a couple mentions that Franco died the year before as hints of this; otherwise, the prologue and epilogue push the idea that the book is set in the modern day (1988 at the time it was released) and the description of the place is halfway between Hemingway's ''For whom the bell tolls'' and Mérimée's ''Carmen''[[/note]], everyone is a fan of El Cid, the only source of entertainment is bullfighting-related (special nod to bullfighting-related,[[note]]a special mention is deserved by the version of [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans Pamplona's Running]] that opens the book, [[WritersHaveNoSenseOfScale with bulls knocking down statues and chunks of buildings]]), buildings]][[/note]] the only dance is flamenco, the only meals are chorizo, gazpacho and paella, and the only thing remotely close to politics resembling political activism is done by the Catholic Church. Church (which is portrayed as the mortal enemy of the [[UsefulNotes/TheFrancoRegime Francoist dictatorship]] and [[ArtisticLicenseHistory every Spanish government of the past 300 years]] ''except'' for the [[CriticalResearchFailure Second Republic]]). The main plot follows four [[AuthorAppeal sexually repressed]] nuns HollywoodNuns [[NunTooHoly riding as they ride shotgun]] with a group of [[WillTheyOrWontThey alluring]] LovableRogue [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters ETA terrorists terrorists]] as they travel through the Guadarrama mountains while killing fascists and being cheered on by the people, {{Zorro}}-style. To say that the novel is [[TheyJustDidntCare one big pile]] of CriticalResearchFailure after another is an {{Understatement}}.{{Zorro}}-style.


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* Already in the 1860s, the French writer Jean-Charles Davillier complained that there weren't as many ''mantillas'' and gypsy dancers in the Spain he visited as previous travel literature had let him to believe.
7th Sep '16 11:16:21 PM Naram-Sin
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* Creator/SidneySheldon's ''The Sands of Time'' grabs this trope hard in the first line of the prologue and doesn't let it go until the end of the epilogue, 400 pages later. In Sheldon's Spain, colorfully-costumed gypsies traveling in wooden wagons are a common sight, every person is a fan of El Cid, the only source of entertainment is bullfighting-related (the book outright begins in a version of San Fermín featuring 1600 lb bulls capable of knocking down statues and buildings), the only dance is flamenco, the only meals are chorizo, gazpacho and paella, and the only thing remotely close to politics is done by the Catholic Church. The main plot follows four [[AuthorAppeal sexually repressed]] nuns [[NunTooHoly riding shotgun]] with a group of [[WillTheyOrWontThey alluring]] LovableRogue ETA terrorists as they travel through the Guadarrama mountains while killing fascists and being cheered on by the people, [[https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Candelas Luis Candelas]]-style. To say that the novel is [[TheyJustDidntCare one great pile]] of CriticalResearchFailure is a mere {{Understatement}}.

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* Creator/SidneySheldon's ''The Sands of Time'' grabs this trope hard in the first line of the prologue and doesn't let it go until the end of the epilogue, 400 pages later. In Sheldon's Spain, colorfully-costumed Colorfully-costumed gypsies traveling in wooden wagons are a common sight, every person sight in Segovia, everyone is a fan of El Cid, the only source of entertainment is bullfighting-related (the book outright begins in a (special nod to the version of San Fermín featuring 1600 lb [[ItsAlwaysMardiGrasInNewOrleans Pamplona's Running]] that opens the book, [[WritersHaveNoSenseOfScale with bulls capable of knocking down statues and buildings), chunks of buildings]]), the only dance is flamenco, the only meals are chorizo, gazpacho and paella, and the only thing remotely close to politics is done by the Catholic Church. The main plot follows four [[AuthorAppeal sexually repressed]] nuns [[NunTooHoly riding shotgun]] with a group of [[WillTheyOrWontThey alluring]] LovableRogue ETA terrorists as they travel through the Guadarrama mountains while killing fascists and being cheered on by the people, [[https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Candelas Luis Candelas]]-style. {{Zorro}}-style. To say that the novel is [[TheyJustDidntCare one great big pile]] of CriticalResearchFailure after another is a mere an {{Understatement}}.
7th Sep '16 12:37:36 AM Naram-Sin
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* Creator/SidneySheldon's ''The Sands of Time'' grabs this trope hard in the first line of the prologue and doesn't let it go until the end of the epilogue, 400 pages later. In Sheldon's Spain, colorfully-costumed gypsies traveling in wooden wagons are a common sight, every person is a fan of El Cid, the only source of entertainment is bullfighting-related (the book outright begins in a version of San Fermín featuring 1600 lb bulls capable of knocking down statues and buildings), the only dance is flamenco, the only meals are chorizo, gazpacho and paella, and the only thing remotely close to politics is done by the Catholic Church. The main plot follows four [[AuthorAppeal sexually repressed]] nuns [[NunTooHoly riding shotgun]] with a group of [[WillTheyOrWontThey alluring]] LovableRogue ETA terrorists as they travel through the Guadarrama mountains while killing fascists and being cheered on by the people, [[https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Candelas Luis Candelas]]-style. To say that the novel is [[TheyJustDidntCare one great pile]] of CriticalResearchFailure is a mere {{Understatement}}.
22nd Aug '16 6:42:17 PM Naram-Sin
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In RealLife Spain this trope is known as ''españolada''[[note]]Which is "Spanish", plus the the suffix -ada ("español" + "ada"). This is the normal construction in Spain for referring to national stereotypes in general. For example, for referring to [[{{Eagleland}} American stereotypes]], it would be "americanada" ("americano" + "ada").[[/note]].

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In RealLife Spain this trope is known as ''españolada''[[note]]Which ''una españolada''[[note]]Which is "Spanish", plus the the suffix -ada ("español" + "ada"). This is the normal construction in Spain for referring to national stereotypes in general. For example, for referring to [[{{Eagleland}} American stereotypes]], it would be "americanada" ("americano" + "ada").[[/note]].
[[/note]] or the even more derogatory ''España de pandereta'' ("Tambourine Spain").
19th Aug '16 4:00:12 PM Naram-Sin
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* ''Film/TheJackal'''s LoveInterest is a female Basque terrorist with the very [[AsLongAsItSoundsForeign Italian]] name Isabella Celia Zancona (or Zanconia). When she is introduced to Koslova, she replies ''"She is Basque, isn't she? They say Basques live by the vendetta. If they hate someone, it's to the death. It's the same way when they love."'' According to a Spanish critic, "At this point a woman in the audience, probably Basque, uttered a loud ''"Menuda CHO-RRA-DA"''."[[note:Eng]]''"What BULL-SHIT"''[[/note]]

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* ''Film/TheJackal'''s LoveInterest is a female Basque terrorist with the very [[AsLongAsItSoundsForeign Italian]] name Isabella Celia Zancona (or Zanconia). When she is introduced to Koslova, she replies ''"She is Basque, isn't she? They say Basques live by the vendetta. If they hate someone, it's to the death. It's the same way when they love."'' According to Paraphrasing a Spanish critic, "At this point a woman in the audience, probably Basque, uttered a loud ''"Menuda CHO-RRA-DA"''."[[note:Eng]]''"What "[[note]]''"What BULL-SHIT"''[[/note]]
19th Aug '16 3:57:29 PM Naram-Sin
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* ''Film/TheJackal'''s LoveInterest is a female Basque terrorist with the very [[AsLongAsItSoundsForeign Italian]] name Isabella Celia Zancona (or Zanconia). When she is introduced to Koslova, she replies ''"She is Basque, isn't she? They say Basques live by the vendetta. If they hate someone, it's to the death. It's the same way when they love."'' According to a Spanish critic, "At this point a woman in the audience, probably Basque, uttered a loud ''"Menuda CHO-RRA-DA"''."[[note:Eng]]''"What BULL-SHIT"''[[/note]]


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** In Galicia and Asturias, the similarity with the British Isles even exists at a geological level. As a result, the traditional architecture there is also dominated by grey stone walls and black shale roofs, not at all white lime and red tiles.
19th Aug '16 1:57:44 PM Naram-Sin
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* ''Tom Clancy's Op-Center: Balance of Power'' (which wasn't really written by Creator/TomClancy but by a ghost writer like the rest of the series) should be considered one of the most blatant examples of CriticalResearchFailure, as the EthnicScrappy Spaniards are constantly characterized with the worst stereotypes [[SouthOfTheBorder about Mexico]][[note]]A gringo's idea of Mexico anyway[[/note]], and the whole "ethnic tension" that serves as motif of the book is said to rely on ''racial'' grounds with no linguistic or cultural differences whatsoever. The book goes as far as to claim that you can tell a Castilian apart of a Catalan because of his ''darker face''.
** A special nod goes to [[SmallReferencePools Luis]] [[{{Series/Zorro}} García]] [[{{Franchise/Zorro}} de la Vega]], the local Interpol connection in Madrid:

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* ''Tom Clancy's Op-Center: Balance of Power'' (which wasn't really written by Creator/TomClancy but by a ghost writer like the rest of the series) should be considered one of the most blatant examples of CriticalResearchFailure, as the EthnicScrappy Spaniards are constantly characterized with the worst stereotypes [[SouthOfTheBorder about Mexico]][[note]]A gringo's idea of Mexico anyway[[/note]], and the whole "ethnic tension" that serves as motif of the book is said to rely on ''racial'' grounds with no linguistic or cultural differences whatsoever. The book goes as far as to claim that you can tell a Castilian apart of a Catalan because of his ''darker face''.
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face''. Special nod goes to [[SmallReferencePools Luis]] [[{{Series/Zorro}} García]] [[{{Franchise/Zorro}} de la Vega]], the local '[[InterpolSpecialAgent Interpol connection chief]]' in Madrid:
19th Aug '16 1:47:00 PM Naram-Sin
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You know, that [[{{Spexico}} place]] where all the women dress in tiered skirts, and all the males in chaqué, where the landscape consists of mountains, red dry hills and beaches, and every night (because there's siesta all day anyway) passionate TallDarkAndHandsome toreadors with roses in their teeth escape from stampeding bulls while playing guitars, and equally passionate SpicyLatina [[UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} gypsies]] with roses in their hair, daggers in their garters and fans in their hands throw oranges at them while dancing flamenco. ''¡Olé!''

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You know, that [[{{Spexico}} place]] where all the women dress in tiered skirts, and all the males in chaqué, where the landscape consists of mountains, red dry hills and beaches, and every night (because there's siesta all day anyway) passionate TallDarkAndHandsome toreadors with roses in their teeth escape from stampeding bulls while playing guitars, and equally passionate SpicyLatina [[UsefulNotes/{{Romani}} gypsies]] Gypsies]] with roses in their hair, daggers in their garters and fans in their hands throw oranges at them while dancing flamenco. ''¡Olé!''


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** A special nod goes to [[SmallReferencePools Luis]] [[{{Series/Zorro}} García]] [[{{Franchise/Zorro}} de la Vega]], the local Interpol connection in Madrid:
-->''Luis was a dark-skinned, black-haired, bear-large, two-fisted Andalusian Gypsy who taught flamenco dancing in his spare time. Like the dance style, the thirty-seven-year-old Luis was spontaneous, dramatic, and spirited.''
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