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13th May '18 5:33:01 PM ironcommando
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* What little prologue we so of ''VideoGame/{{Dogyuun}}'' has a huge golden robot appear that kills the protagonists' friend. They chase after him, starting off the events of the game where you fight the enemy forces. Despite appearing to be the BigBad or TheDragon, said golden robot is fought early as only the second out of ten bosses.

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* What little prologue we so see of ''VideoGame/{{Dogyuun}}'' has a huge golden robot appear that kills the protagonists' friend. They chase after him, starting off the events of the game where you fight the enemy forces. Despite appearing to be the BigBad or TheDragon, said golden robot is fought and KilledOffForReal early as only the second out of ten bosses.
11th May '18 7:59:29 AM Malady
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* ''Manga/DragonBall'' has Raditz, Son Goku's [[LongLostRelative long lost older brother]] and the StarterVillain of the anime series ''DragonBallZ'', who reveals Goku his true origins and that he's actually an alien. He dies along with Goku fighting him and Piccolo, and is mentioned as an afterthought in the arc he was introduced in, only getting a bit more characterization in a Frieza Saga anime {{filler}} flashback.

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* ''Manga/DragonBall'' has Raditz, Son Goku's [[LongLostRelative long lost older brother]] and the StarterVillain of the anime series ''DragonBallZ'', ''Manga/DragonBallZ'', who reveals Goku his true origins and that he's actually an alien. He dies along with Goku fighting him and Piccolo, and is mentioned as an afterthought in the arc he was introduced in, only getting a bit more characterization in a Frieza Saga anime {{filler}} flashback.
6th Apr '18 5:58:52 PM bernardthebeanpole
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* The Creator/TimBurton ''Film/{{Batman}}'' film version turned Jack Napier, the man who would become Joker, into the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents, presumably to add more chemistry to the Batman/Joker rivalry. However, the Joker got killed in the first film and never appeared in any of Burton's or Schumacher's sequels.

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* The Creator/TimBurton ''Film/{{Batman}}'' film version turned Jack Napier, the man who would become Joker, into the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents, presumably to add more chemistry to the Batman/Joker rivalry. However, the Joker got killed in the first film and never appeared in any of Burton's or Schumacher's sequels.sequels, except for a second-long flashback in Film/BatmanForever where he is played by TheOtherDarrin.
** Schumacher [[WhatCouldHaveBeen planned to have]] the Joker reappeared as a result of Scarecrow's fear toxin in the planned fifth film, but it never happened.
21st Mar '18 10:27:47 PM ironcommando
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* What little prologue we so of ''VideoGame/{{Dogyuun}}'' has a huge golden robot appear that kills the protagonists' friend. They chase after him, starting off the events of the game where you fight the enemy forces. Despite appearing to be the BigBad or TheDragon, said golden robot is fought early as only the second out of ten bosses.
12th Jan '18 12:29:53 AM Cryoclaste
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* Joe Chill, the mugger who murdered [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne's]] parents, is possibly the most well known example of this trope. While Batman's origin story was first shown in ''Detective Comics'' #33 (published November 1939, a few months after his debut), the true identity of the mugger was not revealed until ''Batman'' #47 (June 1948, almost ten years later), where he was unceremoniously killed by his very own henchmen when they learned he was indirectly responsible for the birth of Batman. In the post-''ComicBook/ZeroHour'' continuity, the [[RunningTheAsylum writers at DC]] made the identity of the mugger unclear, with the rationalization that since Batman never found out his parents' murderer, any criminal he catches might as well be the one who did it. However, the ''InfiniteCrisis'' storyline retconned the mugger's identity back to being Joe Chill.

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* Joe Chill, the mugger who murdered [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne's]] parents, is possibly the most well known example of this trope. While Batman's origin story was first shown in ''Detective Comics'' #33 (published November 1939, a few months after his debut), the true identity of the mugger was not revealed until ''Batman'' #47 (June 1948, almost ten years later), where he was unceremoniously killed by his very own henchmen when they learned he was indirectly responsible for the birth of Batman. In the post-''ComicBook/ZeroHour'' continuity, the [[RunningTheAsylum writers at DC]] made the identity of the mugger unclear, with the rationalization that since Batman never found out his parents' murderer, any criminal he catches might as well be the one who did it. However, the ''InfiniteCrisis'' ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' storyline retconned the mugger's identity back to being Joe Chill.
16th Oct '17 7:36:34 AM Smeagol17
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** The TV series did give Shin a bigger role by rearranging the order of events of the first few story arcs, placing the final battle between Kenshiro and Shin a bit later than it had originally occurred. As a result, Shin gets [[MonsterOfTheWeek more henchmen]] besides Mr. Heart and the other three playing card themed thugs who worked for him in the manga and his pining over Yuria is given a bit more focus as well. He also gets [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome one good fight scene]] on the episode before his battle with Ken.

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** The TV series did give Shin a bigger role by rearranging the order of events of the first few story arcs, placing the final battle between Kenshiro and Shin a bit later than it had originally occurred. As a result, Shin gets [[MonsterOfTheWeek more henchmen]] besides Mr. Heart and the other three playing card themed thugs who worked for him in the manga and his pining over Yuria is given a bit more focus as well. He also gets [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome one good fight scene]] on in the episode before his battle with Ken.
16th Oct '17 7:35:55 AM Smeagol17
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** The TV series did give Shin a bigger role by arranging the order of events of the first few story arcs, placing the final battle between Kenshiro and Shin a bit later than it had originally occurred. As a result, Shin gets [[MonsterOfTheWeek more henchmen]] besides Mr. Heart and the other three playing card themed thugs who worked for him in the manga and his pining over Yuria is given a bit more focus as well. He also gets [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome one good fight scene]] on the episode before his battle with Ken.

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** The TV series did give Shin a bigger role by arranging rearranging the order of events of the first few story arcs, placing the final battle between Kenshiro and Shin a bit later than it had originally occurred. As a result, Shin gets [[MonsterOfTheWeek more henchmen]] besides Mr. Heart and the other three playing card themed thugs who worked for him in the manga and his pining over Yuria is given a bit more focus as well. He also gets [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome one good fight scene]] on the episode before his battle with Ken.
20th Aug '17 9:38:18 AM Morgenthaler
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* Mr. Fixx killed [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Terry McGinnis's]] father and then died in the first episode... [[NeverFoundTheBody maybe.]] However, [[ManBehindTheMan Derek]] [[BigBad Powers]] ordered the hit, and was still around to be the target of Terry's vengeance. However, Powers disappears at the end of Season 1 and never returned in any of the following seasons, despite [[NeverFoundTheBody the possibility being left open]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'': Mr. Fixx killed [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Terry McGinnis's]] McGinnis's father and then died in the first episode... [[NeverFoundTheBody maybe.]] However, [[ManBehindTheMan Derek]] [[BigBad Powers]] ordered the hit, and was still around to be the target of Terry's vengeance. However, Powers disappears at the end of Season 1 and never returned in any of the following seasons, despite [[NeverFoundTheBody the possibility being left open]].
20th Aug '17 9:34:18 AM Morgenthaler
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** This story was the basis for the ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' episode "Chill in the Night". The episode borrowed much from #33, but upped the ante. ComicBook/TheSpectre and Comicbook/ThePhantomStranger had a bet for Batman's soul over whether or not Batman would break his [[ThouShaltNotKill one rule]] and serve vengeance, or keep it and serve justice. Present-day Joe was now an arms dealer auctioning weapons on the black market, His henchmen were replaced with Batman's RoguesGallery (who were attending the auction), and [[spoiler:ended with the Spectre finishing Chill after Batman wouldn't, dropping a ceiling on him.]]
** [=Deconstructed=] in ''Film/BatmanBegins''. Joe Chill is killed by a mob hit before Bruce can take his revenge. Being ''denied'' vengeance motivates him to become Batman, with the added bonus of Rachel guilting him into [[DoesNotLikeGuns swearing off guns]].
*** To an extent Chill is replaced in this regard by Carmine Falcone, the gang lord who ordered Chill's death. However, as soon as Batman has dealt with Falcone halfway through, he only appears once more in prison, as Batman moves on to the far more dangerous Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul.
** The Creator/TimBurton [[Film/{{Batman}} film version]] turned Jack Napier, the man who would become Joker, into the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents, presumably to add more chemistry to the Batman/Joker rivalry. However, the Joker got killed in the first film and never appeared in any of Burton's or Schumacher's sequels.


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* [=Deconstructed=] in ''Film/BatmanBegins''. Joe Chill is killed by a mob hit before Bruce can take his revenge. Being ''denied'' vengeance motivates him to become Batman, with the added bonus of Rachel guilting him into [[DoesNotLikeGuns swearing off guns]]. To an extent Chill is replaced in this regard by Carmine Falcone, the gang lord who ordered Chill's death. However, as soon as Batman has dealt with Falcone halfway through, he only appears once more in prison, as Batman moves on to the far more dangerous Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul.
* The Creator/TimBurton ''Film/{{Batman}}'' film version turned Jack Napier, the man who would become Joker, into the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents, presumably to add more chemistry to the Batman/Joker rivalry. However, the Joker got killed in the first film and never appeared in any of Burton's or Schumacher's sequels.


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* The Joe Chill story was the basis for the ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' episode "Chill in the Night". The episode borrowed much from #33, but upped the ante. ComicBook/TheSpectre and Comicbook/ThePhantomStranger had a bet for Batman's soul over whether or not Batman would break his [[ThouShaltNotKill one rule]] and serve vengeance, or keep it and serve justice. Present-day Joe was now an arms dealer auctioning weapons on the black market, His henchmen were replaced with Batman's RoguesGallery (who were attending the auction), and [[spoiler:ended with the Spectre finishing Chill after Batman wouldn't, dropping a ceiling on him.]]
2nd Jun '17 11:20:45 AM Smeagol17
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* Creator/HideoKojima didn't expect the original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' to be as successful as it was, so the first game ends with Solid Snake's {{evil twin}}, Liquid Snake, dying from a heart attack. He proved so popular that the sequels [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty sort of maybe]] [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots but not really kind of]] brought him back. [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext Nobody's]] [[GainaxEnding really]] [[MindScrew sure]]. The same happened with Big Boss in the original ''VideoGame/MetalGear1''.

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* Creator/HideoKojima didn't expect the original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' to be as successful as it was, so the first game ends with Solid Snake's {{evil twin}}, Liquid Snake, dying from a heart attack. He proved so popular that the sequels [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty sort of maybe]] [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots but not really kind of]] brought him back. [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext Nobody's]] [[GainaxEnding really]] [[MindScrew sure]]. The same happened with Big Boss in the original ''VideoGame/MetalGear1''.''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear|1}}''.
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