History Main / TokenMotivationalNemesis

22nd Aug '16 9:52:03 PM Kazmahu
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* In ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD'', Issei's motivational nemesis is Reynalle, his ex-girlfriend fallen angel who killed him at the end of the first episode. He then avenges his and Asia's death when he punches Reynalle through a wall/through a window in the anime. Though Rias kills her, Issei still looks fondly back at the memories with him and Reynalle throughout their only date which traumatized him for a very long time when it comes to love.

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* In ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD'', Issei's motivational nemesis is Reynalle, his ex-girlfriend fallen angel who killed him at the end of the first episode. He then avenges his and Asia's death when he punches Reynalle through a wall/through a window in the anime. Though Rias kills her, Issei still looks fondly back at the memories with him and Reynalle throughout their only date which traumatized him for a very long time when it comes to love.\\
This is an interesting example, as the nemesis in this case simultaneously offers no lasting motivation whatsoever (Raynalle was a tiny fish off her leash in a very big pond, while her boss does become a major character, it's as an ally, as there are [[{{Realpolitik}} realpolitikal]] reasons for [[EasilyForgiven letting him off the hook]]) ''and'' has a much bigger, longer-lasting impact than most examples.
29th Mar '16 10:03:06 AM thatother1dude
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** In some ways, having the mugger who murdered Bruce's parents be anonymous and not show up again might make it ''more'' powerful of a scene, since it shows to young Bruce (as well as the audience) that evil doesn't necessarily come wearing a clown mask or with a freeze ray, it can be as simple as a random chance mugging. One anonymous man steps up, ruins three lives, and then leaves, not knowing or understanding the relevance of this one action. Batman proves that one man, acting alone (or with the Batfamily, or the Justice League, or other heroes...) can change the world, but this random mugger proves that even through acts of evil we can also change the world.
29th Mar '16 10:00:50 AM thatother1dude
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** Manfred von Karma for [[Franchise/AceAttorney the Franchise as a whole]]. His act of murder 15 years earlier turned pretty much ''all'' of the recurring cast's lives around, be it directly or indirectly. He is only mentioned a few times in the second and third games.[[note]]He does appear in a few [[WholeEpisodeFlashback flashback episodes]] in the ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'' spinoff, though.[[/note]] His daughter Franziska is a recurring character and she has difficulty getting over the "von Karma perfection" he drilled into her. [[spoiler:He also raised the son of the victim of that murder, significantly altering said son's personality for a time.]]

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** Manfred von Karma for [[Franchise/AceAttorney the Franchise as a whole]]. His act of murder 15 years earlier turned pretty much ''all'' of the recurring cast's lives around, be it directly or indirectly. He is only present in one case of the first game, and mentioned a few times in the second and third games.[[note]]He does appear in a few [[WholeEpisodeFlashback flashback episodes]] in the ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'' spinoff, though.[[/note]] His daughter Franziska is a recurring character and she has difficulty getting over the "von Karma perfection" he drilled into her. [[spoiler:He also raised the son of the victim of that murder, significantly altering said son's personality for a time.]]
29th Mar '16 9:57:11 AM thatother1dude
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* Higuma The {{Bear|sAreBadNews}} in Manga/OnePiece. He didn't exactly fight anyone, but he nearly killed the then overconfident main character, only to be forgotten entirely at the end of the arc. The fact that he was eaten by a sea monster may have had something to do with it.
29th Mar '16 9:54:50 AM thatother1dude
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* Nakatsukasa Tsubaki's brother Masamune in ''Manga/SoulEater''.



* Manga/{{Naruto}}'s first villain, the corrupt instructor Mizuki, is the one who tricks Naruto into stealing the scroll that taught him his Shadow Clone signature move and also revealed the secret about the tailed beast sealed inside him, plus allowed a moment where Naruto realized there was somebody in his life that cared for him when Iruka took a hit for him. And he never appears again, well, at least in the manga.

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* Manga/{{Naruto}}'s first villain, the corrupt instructor Mizuki, is the one who tricks Naruto into stealing the scroll that taught him his Shadow Clone signature move and also revealed the secret about the tailed beast sealed inside him, plus allowed a moment where Naruto realized there was somebody in his life that cared for him when Iruka took a hit for him. And he never appears again, well, at least again except in the manga.{{filler}}.



* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' -- The Smiling Titan [[FirstEpisodeSpoiler who eats Eren's mom]] is what first motivated him to "Exterminate all the [[{{Kaiju}} Titans]]".
** [[spoiler: Subverted later though, as the Smiling Titan shows up again later and kills Hannes, and indirectly causes Eren to realize that he is the Coordinate when he unintentionally sets a horde of Titans on the smiling Titan. Needless to say, this was a rather big moment.]]

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* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' -- The Smiling Titan [[FirstEpisodeSpoiler Polnareff in ''Manga/JojosBizarreAdventure: Stardust Crusaders'' joined the heroes to avenge his sister, who eats Eren's mom]] is what first motivated him to "Exterminate all was raped and murdered by one of Dio's henchmen, J. Geil. Polnareff succeeds less than a quarter of the [[{{Kaiju}} Titans]]".
** [[spoiler: Subverted later though, as
way through the Smiling Titan shows up again later series, and kills Hannes, and indirectly causes Eren to realize that he is the Coordinate when he unintentionally sets a horde of Titans on the smiling Titan. Needless to say, this was a rather big moment.]]stays with protagonists afterward.
10th Mar '16 9:18:40 PM DonaldthePotholer
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Due to the often Traumatic nature of the motivating events, '''Spoilers Abound'''. Technically, these could count as {{Late Arrival Spoiler}}s, but since these nemeses tend to become forgotten...



* In the original run of ''Comicbook/{{Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles|Mirage}}'', The Shredder, the evil ninja who would serve as the Turtles' archenemy in later versions of the saga, turned out to be this, being killed by the Turtles in the first issue, though he was resurrected and used as a villain (and then killed permanently) in later arcs.
** And these later arcs came ''after'' the first cartoon and the comics based on it made Shredder the BigBad. The writers have said more than once that the Shredder was never intended to be the Turtles' Darth Vader, and he really isn't missed in the comicverse.

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* In the original run of ''Comicbook/{{Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles|Mirage}}'', The Shredder, the evil ninja who would serve as the Turtles' archenemy in later versions of the saga, turned out to be this, being killed by the Turtles in the first issue, though he was resurrected and used as a villain (and then killed permanently) in later arcs.
** And these
arcs. Said later arcs came ''after'' the first cartoon and the comics based on it made Shredder the BigBad. [[WordOfGod The writers have said more than once once]] that the Shredder was never intended to be the Turtles' Darth Vader, and he really isn't missed in the comicverse.



* [[spoiler:Manfred von Karma]] from the first ''LightNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'' game, whose murder of [[spoiler:Gregory Edgeworth]] 15 years earlier turned pretty much ''all'' of the recurring cast's lives around, be it directly or indirectly. He is only mentioned a few times in the second and third games. [[spoiler:He does appear in a [[WholeEpisodeFlashback flashback episode]] in ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'', but his role there is little more than a cameo for the purpose of ContinuityPorn.]]
** Though he did appear with significant importance in another WholeEpisodeFlashback in [[spoiler: Investigations 2, which shows the buildup to Gregory's death.]] [[spoiler: His daughter Franziska]] is also a reoccurring character, and both she and Edgeworth are clearly damaged from his raising them. [[spoiler: Franziska]] especially has difficulty getting over the "von Karma perfection" he drilled into her.
** Similarly, [[spoiler:Redd White]] from the same game. He kills [[spoiler:Mia Fey]], an act that is responsible for many characters' first meetings and is the main reason Maya chooses to participate in the series at all. Phoenix gets him arrested, and everyone promptly forgets he ever existed. Even when the third game introduces a new character whose entire characterization is based around that murder, he barely acknowledges the murderer.

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* [[spoiler:Manfred ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney''
** Manfred
von Karma]] from Karma for [[Franchise/AceAttorney the first ''LightNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'' game, whose Franchise as a whole]]. His act of murder of [[spoiler:Gregory Edgeworth]] 15 years earlier turned pretty much ''all'' of the recurring cast's lives around, be it directly or indirectly. He is only mentioned a few times in the second and third games. [[spoiler:He [[note]]He does appear in a few [[WholeEpisodeFlashback flashback episode]] episodes]] in ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'', but his role there the ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'' spinoff, though.[[/note]] His daughter Franziska is little more than a cameo recurring character and she has difficulty getting over the "von Karma perfection" he drilled into her. [[spoiler:He also raised the son of the victim of that murder, significantly altering said son's personality for the purpose of ContinuityPorn.a time.]]
** Though he did appear with significant importance in another WholeEpisodeFlashback in [[spoiler: Investigations 2, which shows the buildup to Gregory's death.]] [[spoiler: His daughter Franziska]] is also a reoccurring character, and both she and Edgeworth are clearly damaged from his raising them. [[spoiler: Franziska]] especially has difficulty getting over the "von Karma perfection" he drilled into her.
** Similarly, [[spoiler:Redd White]] from the same game.
For Phoenix himself, Redd White. He kills [[spoiler:Mia Fey]], [[MentorOccupationalHazard Mia Fey]] right after Phoenix's first case, an act that is responsible for many characters' first meetings and is the main reason Maya chooses to participate in the series at all. Phoenix gets him arrested, arrested and everyone promptly forgets he ever existed. Even when the third game introduces a new character whose entire characterization is based around that murder, he barely acknowledges the murderer.
14th Feb '16 2:18:12 PM FierceArtist
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* Dr. Bruce Banner's transformation into ''Comicbook/TheIncredibleHulk'' has Igor Drenkov ([[{{Retcon}} then named Igor Starsky]]), who, by inaction during the gamma bomb test left Banner to be bombarded by gamma rays shortly after saving the life of teenager Rick Jones, in an attempt to have him killed and steal secrets of the G-bomb. He got beaten up by the Hulk and arrested for his trouble, but he later informed his handler, [[EvilGenius The Gargoyle]], who arranging the whole incident, and doesn't survive past the first issue. We don't see Igor again until the [[MilestoneCelebration 30th anniversary issue]], where it's revealed that he got off scot-free due to a spy trade deal the US had with the Soviet Union, but the Hulk is understandably still pissed about his life being in shambles because of this guy and decides to mete out his own ironic punishment to him. This either doesn't work, or works ''too'' well, as Drenkov out of guilt, shame and fear, was already [[DrivenToMadness driven insane]] from relizing his part in the Hulk's creation by the time the jade giant encountered him.

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* Dr. Bruce Banner's transformation into ''Comicbook/TheIncredibleHulk'' ''Comicbook/TheIncredibleHulk'' has Igor Drenkov ([[{{Retcon}} then named Igor Starsky]]), who, by inaction during the gamma bomb test left Banner to be bombarded by gamma rays shortly after saving the life of teenager Rick Jones, in an attempt to have him killed and steal secrets of the G-bomb. He got beaten up by the Hulk and arrested for his trouble, but he later informed his handler, [[EvilGenius The Gargoyle]], Gargoyle]] of the Hulk, who arranging arranged the whole incident, and doesn't survive past the first issue. We don't see Igor again until the [[MilestoneCelebration 30th anniversary issue]], where it's revealed that he got off scot-free due to a spy trade deal the US had with the Soviet Union, but the Hulk is understandably still pissed about his life being in shambles because of this guy and decides to pay him a visit and mete out his own ironic punishment to him. him by forcing him to relive that day, convinced that despite Igor being an alcoholic, and homeless, that he hasn't suffered nearly enough - the knowledge that he only stayed in jail for 6 months before he returned to the Soviet Union as part of its spy trade deal was icing on the cake. This either doesn't work, or works ''too'' well, as Drenkov out of guilt, shame and fear, was already [[DrivenToMadness driven insane]] from relizing his part in the Hulk's creation mad by the time guilt of being responsible for the Hulk, came to believe that he was in an IronicHell even ''before'' the jade giant encountered him.came across him again.
14th Feb '16 1:43:09 PM FierceArtist
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* Dr. Bruce Banner's transformation into ''Comicbook/TheIncredibleHulk'' has Igor Drenkov ([[{{Retcon}} then named Igor Starsky]]), who, by inaction during the gamma bomb test left Banner to be bombarded by gamma rays shortly after saving the life of teenager Rick Jones, in an attempt to have him killed and steal secrets of the G-bomb. He got beaten up by the Hulk and arrested for his trouble, but he later informed his handler, [[EvilGenius The Gargoyle]], who arranging the whole incident, and doesn't survive past the first issue. We don't see Igor again until the [[MilestoneCelebration 30th anniversary issue]], where it's revealed that he got off scot-free due to a spy trade deal the US had with the Soviet Union, but the Hulk is understandably still pissed about his life being in shambles because of this guy and decides to mete out his own ironic punishment to him. This either doesn't work, or works ''too'' well, as Drenkov out of guilt, shame and fear, was already [[DrivenToMadness driven insane]] from relizing his part in the Hulk's creation by the time the jade giant encountered him.
2nd Feb '16 3:52:19 AM Adept
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* [[spoiler:Manfred von Karma]] from the first ''LightNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'' game, whose murder of [[spoiler:Gregory Edgeworth]] 15 years earlier turned pretty much ''all'' of the recurring cast's lives around, be it directly or indirectly. He is only mentioned a few times in the second and third games. [[spoiler:He does appear in a [[WholeEpisodeFlashback flashback episode]] in ''AceAttorneyInvestigations'', but his role there is little more than a cameo for the purpose of ContinuityPorn.]]

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* [[spoiler:Manfred von Karma]] from the first ''LightNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'' game, whose murder of [[spoiler:Gregory Edgeworth]] 15 years earlier turned pretty much ''all'' of the recurring cast's lives around, be it directly or indirectly. He is only mentioned a few times in the second and third games. [[spoiler:He does appear in a [[WholeEpisodeFlashback flashback episode]] in ''AceAttorneyInvestigations'', ''VisualNovel/AceAttorneyInvestigations'', but his role there is little more than a cameo for the purpose of ContinuityPorn.]]
10th Dec '15 7:47:23 PM nombretomado
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* Joe Chill, the mugger who murdered [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne's]] parents, is possibly the most well known example of this trope. While Batman's origin story was first shown in ''Detective Comics'' #33 (published November 1939, a few months after his debut), the true identity of the mugger was not revealed until ''Batman'' #47 (June 1948, almost ten years later), where he was unceremoniously killed by his very own henchmen when they learned he was indirectly responsible for the birth of Batman. In the post-''ZeroHour'' continuity, the [[RunningTheAsylum writers at DC]] made the identity of the mugger unclear, with the rationalization that since Batman never found out his parents' murderer, any criminal he catches might as well be the one who did it. However, the ''InfiniteCrisis'' storyline retconned the mugger's identity back to being Joe Chill.

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* Joe Chill, the mugger who murdered [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne's]] parents, is possibly the most well known example of this trope. While Batman's origin story was first shown in ''Detective Comics'' #33 (published November 1939, a few months after his debut), the true identity of the mugger was not revealed until ''Batman'' #47 (June 1948, almost ten years later), where he was unceremoniously killed by his very own henchmen when they learned he was indirectly responsible for the birth of Batman. In the post-''ZeroHour'' post-''ComicBook/ZeroHour'' continuity, the [[RunningTheAsylum writers at DC]] made the identity of the mugger unclear, with the rationalization that since Batman never found out his parents' murderer, any criminal he catches might as well be the one who did it. However, the ''InfiniteCrisis'' storyline retconned the mugger's identity back to being Joe Chill.
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