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16th Oct '17 7:36:34 AM Smeagol17
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** The TV series did give Shin a bigger role by rearranging the order of events of the first few story arcs, placing the final battle between Kenshiro and Shin a bit later than it had originally occurred. As a result, Shin gets [[MonsterOfTheWeek more henchmen]] besides Mr. Heart and the other three playing card themed thugs who worked for him in the manga and his pining over Yuria is given a bit more focus as well. He also gets [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome one good fight scene]] on the episode before his battle with Ken.

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** The TV series did give Shin a bigger role by rearranging the order of events of the first few story arcs, placing the final battle between Kenshiro and Shin a bit later than it had originally occurred. As a result, Shin gets [[MonsterOfTheWeek more henchmen]] besides Mr. Heart and the other three playing card themed thugs who worked for him in the manga and his pining over Yuria is given a bit more focus as well. He also gets [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome one good fight scene]] on in the episode before his battle with Ken.
16th Oct '17 7:35:55 AM Smeagol17
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** The TV series did give Shin a bigger role by arranging the order of events of the first few story arcs, placing the final battle between Kenshiro and Shin a bit later than it had originally occurred. As a result, Shin gets [[MonsterOfTheWeek more henchmen]] besides Mr. Heart and the other three playing card themed thugs who worked for him in the manga and his pining over Yuria is given a bit more focus as well. He also gets [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome one good fight scene]] on the episode before his battle with Ken.

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** The TV series did give Shin a bigger role by arranging rearranging the order of events of the first few story arcs, placing the final battle between Kenshiro and Shin a bit later than it had originally occurred. As a result, Shin gets [[MonsterOfTheWeek more henchmen]] besides Mr. Heart and the other three playing card themed thugs who worked for him in the manga and his pining over Yuria is given a bit more focus as well. He also gets [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome one good fight scene]] on the episode before his battle with Ken.
20th Aug '17 9:38:18 AM Morgenthaler
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* Mr. Fixx killed [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Terry McGinnis's]] father and then died in the first episode... [[NeverFoundTheBody maybe.]] However, [[ManBehindTheMan Derek]] [[BigBad Powers]] ordered the hit, and was still around to be the target of Terry's vengeance. However, Powers disappears at the end of Season 1 and never returned in any of the following seasons, despite [[NeverFoundTheBody the possibility being left open]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'': Mr. Fixx killed [[WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond Terry McGinnis's]] McGinnis's father and then died in the first episode... [[NeverFoundTheBody maybe.]] However, [[ManBehindTheMan Derek]] [[BigBad Powers]] ordered the hit, and was still around to be the target of Terry's vengeance. However, Powers disappears at the end of Season 1 and never returned in any of the following seasons, despite [[NeverFoundTheBody the possibility being left open]].
20th Aug '17 9:34:18 AM Morgenthaler
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** This story was the basis for the ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' episode "Chill in the Night". The episode borrowed much from #33, but upped the ante. ComicBook/TheSpectre and Comicbook/ThePhantomStranger had a bet for Batman's soul over whether or not Batman would break his [[ThouShaltNotKill one rule]] and serve vengeance, or keep it and serve justice. Present-day Joe was now an arms dealer auctioning weapons on the black market, His henchmen were replaced with Batman's RoguesGallery (who were attending the auction), and [[spoiler:ended with the Spectre finishing Chill after Batman wouldn't, dropping a ceiling on him.]]
** [=Deconstructed=] in ''Film/BatmanBegins''. Joe Chill is killed by a mob hit before Bruce can take his revenge. Being ''denied'' vengeance motivates him to become Batman, with the added bonus of Rachel guilting him into [[DoesNotLikeGuns swearing off guns]].
*** To an extent Chill is replaced in this regard by Carmine Falcone, the gang lord who ordered Chill's death. However, as soon as Batman has dealt with Falcone halfway through, he only appears once more in prison, as Batman moves on to the far more dangerous Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul.
** The Creator/TimBurton [[Film/{{Batman}} film version]] turned Jack Napier, the man who would become Joker, into the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents, presumably to add more chemistry to the Batman/Joker rivalry. However, the Joker got killed in the first film and never appeared in any of Burton's or Schumacher's sequels.


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* [=Deconstructed=] in ''Film/BatmanBegins''. Joe Chill is killed by a mob hit before Bruce can take his revenge. Being ''denied'' vengeance motivates him to become Batman, with the added bonus of Rachel guilting him into [[DoesNotLikeGuns swearing off guns]]. To an extent Chill is replaced in this regard by Carmine Falcone, the gang lord who ordered Chill's death. However, as soon as Batman has dealt with Falcone halfway through, he only appears once more in prison, as Batman moves on to the far more dangerous Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul.
* The Creator/TimBurton ''Film/{{Batman}}'' film version turned Jack Napier, the man who would become Joker, into the murderer of Bruce Wayne's parents, presumably to add more chemistry to the Batman/Joker rivalry. However, the Joker got killed in the first film and never appeared in any of Burton's or Schumacher's sequels.


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* The Joe Chill story was the basis for the ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'' episode "Chill in the Night". The episode borrowed much from #33, but upped the ante. ComicBook/TheSpectre and Comicbook/ThePhantomStranger had a bet for Batman's soul over whether or not Batman would break his [[ThouShaltNotKill one rule]] and serve vengeance, or keep it and serve justice. Present-day Joe was now an arms dealer auctioning weapons on the black market, His henchmen were replaced with Batman's RoguesGallery (who were attending the auction), and [[spoiler:ended with the Spectre finishing Chill after Batman wouldn't, dropping a ceiling on him.]]
2nd Jun '17 11:20:45 AM Smeagol17
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* Creator/HideoKojima didn't expect the original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' to be as successful as it was, so the first game ends with Solid Snake's {{evil twin}}, Liquid Snake, dying from a heart attack. He proved so popular that the sequels [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty sort of maybe]] [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots but not really kind of]] brought him back. [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext Nobody's]] [[GainaxEnding really]] [[MindScrew sure]]. The same happened with Big Boss in the original ''VideoGame/MetalGear1''.

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* Creator/HideoKojima didn't expect the original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' to be as successful as it was, so the first game ends with Solid Snake's {{evil twin}}, Liquid Snake, dying from a heart attack. He proved so popular that the sequels [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty sort of maybe]] [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots but not really kind of]] brought him back. [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext Nobody's]] [[GainaxEnding really]] [[MindScrew sure]]. The same happened with Big Boss in the original ''VideoGame/MetalGear1''.''VideoGame/{{Metal Gear|1}}''.
2nd Jun '17 11:20:01 AM Smeagol17
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* Creator/HideoKojima didn't expect the original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' to be as successful as it was, so the first game ends with Solid Snake's {{evil twin}}, Liquid Snake, dying from a heart attack. He proved so popular that the sequels [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty sort of maybe]] [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots but not really kind of]] brought him back. [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext Nobody's]] [[GainaxEnding really]] [[MindScrew sure]]. The same happened with Big Boss in the original ''VideoGame/MetalGear''.

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* Creator/HideoKojima didn't expect the original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' to be as successful as it was, so the first game ends with Solid Snake's {{evil twin}}, Liquid Snake, dying from a heart attack. He proved so popular that the sequels [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty sort of maybe]] [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots but not really kind of]] brought him back. [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext Nobody's]] [[GainaxEnding really]] [[MindScrew sure]]. The same happened with Big Boss in the original ''VideoGame/MetalGear''.''VideoGame/MetalGear1''.
2nd Jun '17 11:19:34 AM Smeagol17
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* Creator/HideoKojima didn't expect the original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' to be as successful as it was, so the first game ends with Solid Snake's {{evil twin}}, Liquid Snake, dying from a heart attack. He proved so popular that the sequels [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty sort of maybe]] [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots but not really kind of]] brought him back. [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext Nobody's]] [[GainaxEnding really]] [[MindScrew sure]].

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* Creator/HideoKojima didn't expect the original ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' to be as successful as it was, so the first game ends with Solid Snake's {{evil twin}}, Liquid Snake, dying from a heart attack. He proved so popular that the sequels [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty sort of maybe]] [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots but not really kind of]] brought him back. [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext Nobody's]] [[GainaxEnding really]] [[MindScrew sure]]. The same happened with Big Boss in the original ''VideoGame/MetalGear''.
21st Apr '17 6:54:57 PM TheNerevarine
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* Diamondback served this role to [[ComicBook/LukeCageHeroForHire Luke Cage]]. When Luke was still known as Carl Lucas, Diamondback framed him for drug possession and got him sent to prison. There, Carl was experimented and gained his bullet-proof skin, owning his current condition to his enemy. After breaking out of prison and changing his name, he confronted Diamondback hoping to clearing his charges. Unfortunately, Diamondback got killed in his secondary appearance, ruining any chance of Luke clearing his name.
5th Nov '16 10:06:52 PM nombretomado
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* Obadiah Stane/Iron Monger in the ''Film/IronMan'' movie; he is revealed as the movie progresses to be the one who hired the Ten Rings to kill Tony Stark, thus indirectly causing the incident that changed Stark's vision of life and led him to become Iron Man. Despite this, he doesn't survive the first movie, and is never mentioned again in the second Opus. Ironically enough, this version of him led the character to be promoted in the fans' eyes, and he is made part of the BigBadEnsemble in ''IronManArmoredAdventures''.

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* Obadiah Stane/Iron Monger in the ''Film/IronMan'' movie; he is revealed as the movie progresses to be the one who hired the Ten Rings to kill Tony Stark, thus indirectly causing the incident that changed Stark's vision of life and led him to become Iron Man. Despite this, he doesn't survive the first movie, and is never mentioned again in the second Opus. Ironically enough, this version of him led the character to be promoted in the fans' eyes, and he is made part of the BigBadEnsemble in ''IronManArmoredAdventures''.''WesternAnimation/IronManArmoredAdventures''.
4th Nov '16 5:17:47 PM BGFU
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* Similarly, The Fixer who turned Matt Murdock into ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} dies of a heart-attack by the end of the first volume.

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* Similarly, The Fixer who turned Matt Murdock into ComicBook/{{Daredevil}} dies of a heart-attack by the end of the first volume.issue.
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