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4th Jun '17 4:49:25 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost their positive emotions but kept all the bad ones. Apparently, many authors confuse being emotionless with being a JerkAss who only derides those emotions considered "weak", like [[SaveTheVillain mercy]], [[RuleOfEmpathy empathy]], [[GreaterNeedThanMine altruism]], [[TheFourLoves love]], [[HumbleHero humility]], [[GoodSamaritan compassion]] and the ability to [[TheEmpath see someone else's point of view]]. Or basic politeness. So instead of an indifferent race that cannot be bothered over differences and [[HollywoodEvolution levels of evolution]], what we get is a race that is willing to exterminate anyone with extreme prejudice because they feel arrogance and contempt, but neither shame nor horror.

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The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost their positive emotions but kept all the bad ones. Apparently, many authors confuse being emotionless with being a JerkAss who only derides those emotions considered "weak", like [[SaveTheVillain mercy]], [[RuleOfEmpathy empathy]], [[GreaterNeedThanMine altruism]], [[TheFourLoves love]], [[HumbleHero humility]], [[GoodSamaritan compassion]] and the ability to [[TheEmpath see someone else's point of view]]. Or basic politeness. So instead of an indifferent race that cannot be bothered over differences and [[HollywoodEvolution levels of evolution]], what we get is a race that is willing to exterminate anyone with extreme prejudice because they feel arrogance and contempt, but neither shame nor horror.
31st May '17 1:08:05 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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TruthInTelevision: What's usually being depicted here is someone who is ''out of touch'' with their emotions, experiencing them without being aware of them. This is not so uncommon in real life! Reasons can include machismo, denial, some mental illnesses (depression!), or certain cognitive abnormalities (''e.g.'', the autistic spectrum). There's also a personality trait known as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexithymia alexithymia,]] which is defined by the mind having great difficulty in identifying feelings, distinguishing between feelings and the bodily sensations of emotional arousal, and in describing feelings to other people. Lastly, anger is controlled by a different part of the brain from other emotions, which can explain why a person can be angry, but not know ''why'' they're angry, or lash out in a particular way and unaware that anger is fueling their actions.

The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost their positive emotions but kept all the bad ones. Apparently, many authors confuse being emotionless with being a JerkAss who only derides those emotions considered "weak", like mercy, [[RuleOfEmpathy empathy]], [[GreaterNeedThanMine altruism]], [[TheFourLoves love]], [[HumbleHero humility]], [[GoodSamaritan compassion]] and the ability to [[TheEmpath see someone else's point of view]]. Or basic politeness. So instead of an indifferent race that rests comfortably in itself, what we get is a race that can justify extermination of anyone with extreme prejudice, because they feel arrogance and disdain, but neither shame nor horror.

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TruthInTelevision: What's usually being depicted here is someone who is ''out of touch'' with their emotions, experiencing them without being aware of them. This is not so uncommon in real life! Reasons can include machismo, denial, some mental illnesses (depression!), or certain cognitive abnormalities (''e.g.'', the autistic spectrum). There's also a personality trait known as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexithymia alexithymia,]] which is defined by the mind having great difficulty in identifying feelings, distinguishing between feelings and the bodily sensations of emotional arousal, and in describing feelings to other people. Lastly, anger is controlled heavily influenced by a different part of the brain from other emotions, which can explain why a person can be angry, but not know ''why'' they're angry, or lash out in a particular way and unaware that anger is fueling their actions.

The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost their positive emotions but kept all the bad ones. Apparently, many authors confuse being emotionless with being a JerkAss who only derides those emotions considered "weak", like mercy, [[SaveTheVillain mercy]], [[RuleOfEmpathy empathy]], [[GreaterNeedThanMine altruism]], [[TheFourLoves love]], [[HumbleHero humility]], [[GoodSamaritan compassion]] and the ability to [[TheEmpath see someone else's point of view]]. Or basic politeness. So instead of an indifferent race that rests comfortably in itself, cannot be bothered over differences and [[HollywoodEvolution levels of evolution]], what we get is a race that can justify extermination of is willing to exterminate anyone with extreme prejudice, prejudice because they feel arrogance and disdain, contempt, but neither shame nor horror.
30th May '17 6:37:47 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost their positive emotions but kept all the negative ones. Apparently, many authors confuse "controlling one's emotions" with "suppressing one's emotions", and the suppressed emotions invariably seem to be those considered "weak", like mercy, empathy, humility, and compassion and the ability to see someone else's point of view. Or basic politeness. So instead of an indifferent race that rests comfortably in itself, what we get is a race that can justify extermination of anyone with extreme prejudice, because they feel arrogance and disdain, but neither shame nor horror.

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The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost their positive emotions but kept all the negative bad ones. Apparently, many authors confuse "controlling one's emotions" being emotionless with "suppressing one's emotions", and the suppressed being a JerkAss who only derides those emotions invariably seem to be those considered "weak", like mercy, empathy, humility, and compassion [[RuleOfEmpathy empathy]], [[GreaterNeedThanMine altruism]], [[TheFourLoves love]], [[HumbleHero humility]], [[GoodSamaritan compassion]] and the ability to [[TheEmpath see someone else's point of view.view]]. Or basic politeness. So instead of an indifferent race that rests comfortably in itself, what we get is a race that can justify extermination of anyone with extreme prejudice, because they feel arrogance and disdain, but neither shame nor horror.
30th May '17 6:20:38 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost the key to their positive emotions but kept all the negative ones. Apparently, many authors confuse "controlling one's emotions" with "suppressing one's emotions", and the suppressed emotions invariably seem to be those considered "weak", like mercy, empathy, humility, compassion and the ability to see someone else's point of view. Or basic politeness. So instead of a peaceful race that rests comfortably in itself, what we get is a race that can justify extermination of anyone without blinking, because they feel neither shame nor horror.

Compare FrozenFace, where he cannot show the emotions in his face even if he feels them on the inside. Not to be confused with the Creator/{{Syfy}} [[Series/TinMan miniseries]].

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The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost the key to their positive emotions but kept all the negative ones. Apparently, many authors confuse "controlling one's emotions" with "suppressing one's emotions", and the suppressed emotions invariably seem to be those considered "weak", like mercy, empathy, humility, and compassion and the ability to see someone else's point of view. Or basic politeness. So instead of a peaceful an indifferent race that rests comfortably in itself, what we get is a race that can justify extermination of anyone without blinking, with extreme prejudice, because they feel arrogance and disdain, but neither shame nor horror.

Compare FrozenFace, where he cannot show the emotions in his face even if he feels them on the inside. Compare and contrast with TheStoic and the EmotionlessGirl, who unlike the TinMan ''do not'' emote, regardless of whether they [[BeneathTheMask have feelings]] or [[EmotionlessGirl not]]. Not to be confused with the Creator/{{Syfy}} [[Series/TinMan miniseries]].



* Father in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. He insists that human emotions are actually comprised of the SevenDeadlySins, and by purging his sins into their own bodies, he has [[PureIsNotGood purified himself]]. Nonetheless, he acts angry, selfish and jealous at various points.

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* Father [[BigBad Father]] in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. He insists that human emotions are actually comprised of the SevenDeadlySins, and by purging his sins into their own bodies, he has [[PureIsNotGood purified himself]]. Nonetheless, he acts angry, selfish and selfish, jealous and prideful at various points.
8th Apr '17 10:08:34 PM nombretomado
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* In ''ScoobyDooMysteryInc.'', Fred ''thinks'' that real men don't have feelings, and tries to act accordingly. This doesn't prevent him from repeatedly suffering {{Heroic BSOD}}s whenever his plans go horribly awry, and struggling to reconcile his feelings for traps -- and Daphne. Leading to lines like:

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* In ''ScoobyDooMysteryInc.''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated.'', Fred ''thinks'' that real men don't have feelings, and tries to act accordingly. This doesn't prevent him from repeatedly suffering {{Heroic BSOD}}s whenever his plans go horribly awry, and struggling to reconcile his feelings for traps -- and Daphne. Leading to lines like:
2nd Apr '17 3:27:08 PM nombretomado
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* Aigis from ''{{Persona 3}}'' fits this trope. She initially acts robotic but [[spoiler: she has to have a personality and emotions, otherwise she couldn't summon Personas, which are physical manifestations of emotions and personality traits. She slowly and subtly starts outwardly displaying such emotions over the course of the game and starts asking all the questions that come with realization of such things.]]

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* Aigis from ''{{Persona 3}}'' ''VideoGame/Persona3'' fits this trope. She initially acts robotic but [[spoiler: she has to have a personality and emotions, otherwise she couldn't summon Personas, which are physical manifestations of emotions and personality traits. She slowly and subtly starts outwardly displaying such emotions over the course of the game and starts asking all the questions that come with realization of such things.]]
30th Mar '17 1:48:43 AM PaulA
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* [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Heero Yuy]] gets treated as cold and robotic an awful lot by {{Fanon}}, something which can be pinned on the vocal director for the English dub telling Music/MarkHildreth to play the character that way. However, this runs contrary his own statements and actions: his self-stated life philosophy is "The best way to live your life is by acting on your emotions", and when asked he outright says that kindness isn't needed when you're fighting, but it is the rest of the time. This has been lampshaded by at least one doujinshi in which the ''Wing'' cast gets stuck in a virtual reality version of ''WizardOfOz'' and Heero becomes the Tin Man.

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* [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Heero Yuy]] gets treated as cold and robotic an awful lot by {{Fanon}}, something which can be pinned on the vocal director for the English dub telling Music/MarkHildreth to play the character that way. However, this runs contrary his own statements and actions: his self-stated life philosophy is "The best way to live your life is by acting on your emotions", and when asked he outright says that kindness isn't needed when you're fighting, but it is the rest of the time. This has been lampshaded by at least one doujinshi in which the ''Wing'' cast gets stuck in a virtual reality version of ''WizardOfOz'' ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'' and Heero becomes the Tin Man.
25th Feb '17 4:58:18 PM CyberTiger88
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* Organization XIII (high-functioning members of [[TheSouless Nobodies]]) from ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' were initially ambiguous examples but ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance Dream Drop Distance]]'' settles the debate once and for all. [[spoiler: At the very least Axel, Roxas and Xion have become canon examples, with Axel, believing to the very end that he had no emotion, being the most obvious one. After experiencing Roxas's memories, Sora concludes that he must have had a heart to grieve for his friends. Xemnas reveals that Nobodies ''can'' manifest new hearts, in the same way the puppet Pinocchio did - he just kept this secret so he could manipulate the rest of the Organization and try to turn them all into his [[SoulJar Soul Jars]].]]

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* Organization XIII (high-functioning members of [[TheSouless [[TheSoulless Nobodies]]) from ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' were initially ambiguous examples but ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance Dream Drop Distance]]'' settles the debate once and for all. [[spoiler: At the very least Axel, Roxas and Xion have become canon examples, with Axel, believing to the very end that he had no emotion, being the most obvious one. After experiencing Roxas's memories, Sora concludes that he must have had a heart to grieve for his friends. Xemnas reveals that Nobodies ''can'' manifest new hearts, in the same way the puppet Pinocchio did - he just kept this secret so he could manipulate the rest of the Organization and try to turn them all into his [[SoulJar Soul Jars]].]]
25th Feb '17 4:57:41 PM CyberTiger88
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* Organization XIII (high-functioning members of an EmptyShell breed of enemy) from ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' may be an example, but we're '''[[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman not]]''' [[InternetBackdraft going]] [[Administrivia/{{Natter}} there]].
** ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance Dream Drop Distance]]'' settles the debate once and for all. [[spoiler: At the very least Axel, Roxas and Xion have become canon examples, with Axel, believing to the very end that he had no emotion, being the most obvious one. After experiencing Roxas's memories, Sora concludes that he must have had a heart to grieve for his friends. Xemnas reveals that Nobodies ''can'' manifest new hearts, in the same way the puppet Pinocchio did - he just kept this secret so he could manipulate the rest of the Organization and try to turn them all into his [[SoulJar Soul Jars]].]]

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* Organization XIII (high-functioning members of an EmptyShell breed of enemy) [[TheSouless Nobodies]]) from ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' may be an example, but we're '''[[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman not]]''' [[InternetBackdraft going]] [[Administrivia/{{Natter}} there]].
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were initially ambiguous examples but ''[[VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance Dream Drop Distance]]'' settles the debate once and for all. [[spoiler: At the very least Axel, Roxas and Xion have become canon examples, with Axel, believing to the very end that he had no emotion, being the most obvious one. After experiencing Roxas's memories, Sora concludes that he must have had a heart to grieve for his friends. Xemnas reveals that Nobodies ''can'' manifest new hearts, in the same way the puppet Pinocchio did - he just kept this secret so he could manipulate the rest of the Organization and try to turn them all into his [[SoulJar Soul Jars]].]]
4th Feb '17 5:20:12 PM khalil91
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* The native people of Finland are known for being this, due to their stoic demeanor and their ability to suppress their emotions.

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* The native people of Finland are known for being this, due to their stoic demeanor and their ability to suppress their emotions. They are capable of feeling emotions, but they don't usually show their emotions that much, since they're good at hiding it.
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