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10th Oct '17 7:43:02 AM Woodrobin
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** Vision is definitely in the "or so he says" camp. He has feelings, but doubts their authenticity. First, because he can't be sure they're real, rather than programmed responses. Later, after finding out his mind was built around the recorded brain patterns of Simon Williams (the then-thought-deceased Wonder Man), Vision accepts that the emotions are real, but doubts that they're his, rather than Simon's, feelings.
10th Sep '17 1:49:34 PM intastiel
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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1005 Antimony seems to revert to]] EmotionlessGirl after her father calls her, but [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1006 Mr. Donlan picks out that she's actually feeling quite strongly.]]
** Annie is often thought to be practically the reincarnation of her mother, but in this, she [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1013 clearly]] [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1015 takes after]] [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1016 her father]].
** [[spoiler: __Jones__]] claims that to have no desires or dreams, yet seeks human companionship and seemed a bit sad that [[spoiler: despite recently evolving to resemble her, human beings are very different - fragile, short-lived, and emotional]]. Also claims to have a perfect, photographic memory, but keeps a photo album.

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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'':
** Annie
[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1005 Antimony seems to revert to]] EmotionlessGirl after her father calls her, but [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1006 Mr. Donlan picks out that she's actually feeling quite strongly.]]
** Annie is often thought to be practically the reincarnation of Similarly, her mother, but in this, she father Anthony deals with uncomfortable emotional situations by [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1013 clearly]] php?comicID=1015 acting completely aloof]], even though he lets more feelings slip out [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1015 takes after]] [[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=1016 her father]].
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** [[spoiler: __Jones__]] [[spoiler:Jones]] claims that to have no desires or dreams, yet seeks human companionship and seemed seems a bit sad that [[spoiler: despite recently evolving to resemble her, human beings are very different - different: fragile, short-lived, and emotional]]. Also claims to have a perfect, photographic memory, but keeps a photo album.
22nd Aug '17 9:39:49 PM StClair
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* Data on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' often claimed he was incapable of emotion, which was a source of curiosity and debate among both the crew of the ship and the fans of the show. In an instance of him telling the Doctor that he was incapable of giving love to Lal, his child, she looked skeptical and said she found that hard to believe. Not long after, he expressed what appeared to be a subdued form of anger at the idea of the Admiral judging him to be an unfit parent while judging him by different standards from a human. By the end, even Admiral who originally wanted to take the daughter away for study was convinced they shared an emotional connection. When using an emotion chip at one point, he ends up behaving quite poorly while in general, the series supports the idea that perhaps he already has emotions in his own way--for example, he cannot "miss" people, but his subroutines become used to the presence of certain persons and their absence can affect him.
---> '''Data''': You know I cannot grieve for you.\\

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* Data on ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' often claimed he was incapable of emotion, which was a source of curiosity and debate among both the crew of the ship and the fans of the show. In an instance of him telling the Doctor Crusher that he was incapable of giving love to Lal, his child, she looked skeptical and said she found that hard to believe. Not long after, he expressed what appeared to be a subdued form of anger at the idea of the Admiral Haftel judging him to be an unfit parent while judging him by different standards from a human. By the end, even the Admiral who originally wanted to take the daughter away for study was convinced they shared an emotional connection. When using an emotion he actually uses the chip at one point, that his creator made to give him emotions, he ends up behaving quite poorly while tends to behave rather poorly; in general, the series supports the idea that perhaps he already has something like emotions in his own way--for without it--for example, he cannot "miss" people, but his subroutines become used to the presence of certain persons and their absence can affect him.
---> --> '''Data''': You know I cannot grieve for you.\\
4th Jun '17 4:49:25 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost their positive emotions but kept all the bad ones. Apparently, many authors confuse being emotionless with being a JerkAss who only derides those emotions considered "weak", like [[SaveTheVillain mercy]], [[RuleOfEmpathy empathy]], [[GreaterNeedThanMine altruism]], [[TheFourLoves love]], [[HumbleHero humility]], [[GoodSamaritan compassion]] and the ability to [[TheEmpath see someone else's point of view]]. Or basic politeness. So instead of an indifferent race that cannot be bothered over differences and [[HollywoodEvolution levels of evolution]], what we get is a race that is willing to exterminate anyone with extreme prejudice because they feel arrogance and contempt, but neither shame nor horror.

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The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost their positive emotions but kept all the bad ones. Apparently, many authors confuse being emotionless with being a JerkAss who only derides those emotions considered "weak", like [[SaveTheVillain mercy]], [[RuleOfEmpathy empathy]], [[GreaterNeedThanMine altruism]], [[TheFourLoves love]], [[HumbleHero humility]], [[GoodSamaritan compassion]] and the ability to [[TheEmpath see someone else's point of view]]. Or basic politeness. So instead of an indifferent race that cannot be bothered over differences and [[HollywoodEvolution levels of evolution]], what we get is a race that is willing to exterminate anyone with extreme prejudice because they feel arrogance and contempt, but neither shame nor horror.
31st May '17 1:08:05 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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TruthInTelevision: What's usually being depicted here is someone who is ''out of touch'' with their emotions, experiencing them without being aware of them. This is not so uncommon in real life! Reasons can include machismo, denial, some mental illnesses (depression!), or certain cognitive abnormalities (''e.g.'', the autistic spectrum). There's also a personality trait known as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexithymia alexithymia,]] which is defined by the mind having great difficulty in identifying feelings, distinguishing between feelings and the bodily sensations of emotional arousal, and in describing feelings to other people. Lastly, anger is controlled by a different part of the brain from other emotions, which can explain why a person can be angry, but not know ''why'' they're angry, or lash out in a particular way and unaware that anger is fueling their actions.

The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost their positive emotions but kept all the bad ones. Apparently, many authors confuse being emotionless with being a JerkAss who only derides those emotions considered "weak", like mercy, [[RuleOfEmpathy empathy]], [[GreaterNeedThanMine altruism]], [[TheFourLoves love]], [[HumbleHero humility]], [[GoodSamaritan compassion]] and the ability to [[TheEmpath see someone else's point of view]]. Or basic politeness. So instead of an indifferent race that rests comfortably in itself, what we get is a race that can justify extermination of anyone with extreme prejudice, because they feel arrogance and disdain, but neither shame nor horror.

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TruthInTelevision: What's usually being depicted here is someone who is ''out of touch'' with their emotions, experiencing them without being aware of them. This is not so uncommon in real life! Reasons can include machismo, denial, some mental illnesses (depression!), or certain cognitive abnormalities (''e.g.'', the autistic spectrum). There's also a personality trait known as [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexithymia alexithymia,]] which is defined by the mind having great difficulty in identifying feelings, distinguishing between feelings and the bodily sensations of emotional arousal, and in describing feelings to other people. Lastly, anger is controlled heavily influenced by a different part of the brain from other emotions, which can explain why a person can be angry, but not know ''why'' they're angry, or lash out in a particular way and unaware that anger is fueling their actions.

The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost their positive emotions but kept all the bad ones. Apparently, many authors confuse being emotionless with being a JerkAss who only derides those emotions considered "weak", like mercy, [[SaveTheVillain mercy]], [[RuleOfEmpathy empathy]], [[GreaterNeedThanMine altruism]], [[TheFourLoves love]], [[HumbleHero humility]], [[GoodSamaritan compassion]] and the ability to [[TheEmpath see someone else's point of view]]. Or basic politeness. So instead of an indifferent race that rests comfortably in itself, cannot be bothered over differences and [[HollywoodEvolution levels of evolution]], what we get is a race that can justify extermination of is willing to exterminate anyone with extreme prejudice, prejudice because they feel arrogance and disdain, contempt, but neither shame nor horror.
30th May '17 6:37:47 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost their positive emotions but kept all the negative ones. Apparently, many authors confuse "controlling one's emotions" with "suppressing one's emotions", and the suppressed emotions invariably seem to be those considered "weak", like mercy, empathy, humility, and compassion and the ability to see someone else's point of view. Or basic politeness. So instead of an indifferent race that rests comfortably in itself, what we get is a race that can justify extermination of anyone with extreme prejudice, because they feel arrogance and disdain, but neither shame nor horror.

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The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost their positive emotions but kept all the negative bad ones. Apparently, many authors confuse "controlling one's emotions" being emotionless with "suppressing one's emotions", and the suppressed being a JerkAss who only derides those emotions invariably seem to be those considered "weak", like mercy, empathy, humility, and compassion [[RuleOfEmpathy empathy]], [[GreaterNeedThanMine altruism]], [[TheFourLoves love]], [[HumbleHero humility]], [[GoodSamaritan compassion]] and the ability to [[TheEmpath see someone else's point of view.view]]. Or basic politeness. So instead of an indifferent race that rests comfortably in itself, what we get is a race that can justify extermination of anyone with extreme prejudice, because they feel arrogance and disdain, but neither shame nor horror.
30th May '17 6:20:38 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost the key to their positive emotions but kept all the negative ones. Apparently, many authors confuse "controlling one's emotions" with "suppressing one's emotions", and the suppressed emotions invariably seem to be those considered "weak", like mercy, empathy, humility, compassion and the ability to see someone else's point of view. Or basic politeness. So instead of a peaceful race that rests comfortably in itself, what we get is a race that can justify extermination of anyone without blinking, because they feel neither shame nor horror.

Compare FrozenFace, where he cannot show the emotions in his face even if he feels them on the inside. Not to be confused with the Creator/{{Syfy}} [[Series/TinMan miniseries]].

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The dark flipside of the trope is especially common in ScienceFiction or {{Fantasy}}, where whole races may be introduced as [[StrawVulcan "logical" and beyond base emotions]]; and then turns out to be arrogant, harsh, hateful, merciless or borderline unstable, as if they've lost the key to their positive emotions but kept all the negative ones. Apparently, many authors confuse "controlling one's emotions" with "suppressing one's emotions", and the suppressed emotions invariably seem to be those considered "weak", like mercy, empathy, humility, and compassion and the ability to see someone else's point of view. Or basic politeness. So instead of a peaceful an indifferent race that rests comfortably in itself, what we get is a race that can justify extermination of anyone without blinking, with extreme prejudice, because they feel arrogance and disdain, but neither shame nor horror.

Compare FrozenFace, where he cannot show the emotions in his face even if he feels them on the inside. Compare and contrast with TheStoic and the EmotionlessGirl, who unlike the TinMan ''do not'' emote, regardless of whether they [[BeneathTheMask have feelings]] or [[EmotionlessGirl not]]. Not to be confused with the Creator/{{Syfy}} [[Series/TinMan miniseries]].



* Father in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. He insists that human emotions are actually comprised of the SevenDeadlySins, and by purging his sins into their own bodies, he has [[PureIsNotGood purified himself]]. Nonetheless, he acts angry, selfish and jealous at various points.

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* Father [[BigBad Father]] in ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''. He insists that human emotions are actually comprised of the SevenDeadlySins, and by purging his sins into their own bodies, he has [[PureIsNotGood purified himself]]. Nonetheless, he acts angry, selfish and selfish, jealous and prideful at various points.
8th Apr '17 10:08:34 PM nombretomado
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* In ''ScoobyDooMysteryInc.'', Fred ''thinks'' that real men don't have feelings, and tries to act accordingly. This doesn't prevent him from repeatedly suffering {{Heroic BSOD}}s whenever his plans go horribly awry, and struggling to reconcile his feelings for traps -- and Daphne. Leading to lines like:

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* In ''ScoobyDooMysteryInc.''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooMysteryIncorporated.'', Fred ''thinks'' that real men don't have feelings, and tries to act accordingly. This doesn't prevent him from repeatedly suffering {{Heroic BSOD}}s whenever his plans go horribly awry, and struggling to reconcile his feelings for traps -- and Daphne. Leading to lines like:
2nd Apr '17 3:27:08 PM nombretomado
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* Aigis from ''{{Persona 3}}'' fits this trope. She initially acts robotic but [[spoiler: she has to have a personality and emotions, otherwise she couldn't summon Personas, which are physical manifestations of emotions and personality traits. She slowly and subtly starts outwardly displaying such emotions over the course of the game and starts asking all the questions that come with realization of such things.]]

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* Aigis from ''{{Persona 3}}'' ''VideoGame/Persona3'' fits this trope. She initially acts robotic but [[spoiler: she has to have a personality and emotions, otherwise she couldn't summon Personas, which are physical manifestations of emotions and personality traits. She slowly and subtly starts outwardly displaying such emotions over the course of the game and starts asking all the questions that come with realization of such things.]]
30th Mar '17 1:48:43 AM PaulA
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* [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Heero Yuy]] gets treated as cold and robotic an awful lot by {{Fanon}}, something which can be pinned on the vocal director for the English dub telling Music/MarkHildreth to play the character that way. However, this runs contrary his own statements and actions: his self-stated life philosophy is "The best way to live your life is by acting on your emotions", and when asked he outright says that kindness isn't needed when you're fighting, but it is the rest of the time. This has been lampshaded by at least one doujinshi in which the ''Wing'' cast gets stuck in a virtual reality version of ''WizardOfOz'' and Heero becomes the Tin Man.

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* [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Heero Yuy]] gets treated as cold and robotic an awful lot by {{Fanon}}, something which can be pinned on the vocal director for the English dub telling Music/MarkHildreth to play the character that way. However, this runs contrary his own statements and actions: his self-stated life philosophy is "The best way to live your life is by acting on your emotions", and when asked he outright says that kindness isn't needed when you're fighting, but it is the rest of the time. This has been lampshaded by at least one doujinshi in which the ''Wing'' cast gets stuck in a virtual reality version of ''WizardOfOz'' ''Film/TheWizardOfOz'' and Heero becomes the Tin Man.
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