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3rd Dec '17 10:41:30 AM nombretomado
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* ''VideoGame/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'' manages the difficult trick of pulling this off in a game that ''doesn't feature time travel.'' [[spoiler: In the last episode, Phoenix's investigation as shown would not be possible unless he could actually travel through time, rather than being able to select different times just being a tool for the convenience of the Jury. He uses evidence he gathers in the present in the past, as well as evidence he gathers later in the same portion of the timeline in earlier incidents.]] Justified in that the Investigation you see is a simulated version being [[spoiler:played out by the Jurists]].

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* ''VideoGame/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'' ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'' manages the difficult trick of pulling this off in a game that ''doesn't feature time travel.'' [[spoiler: In the last episode, Phoenix's investigation as shown would not be possible unless he could actually travel through time, rather than being able to select different times just being a tool for the convenience of the Jury. He uses evidence he gathers in the present in the past, as well as evidence he gathers later in the same portion of the timeline in earlier incidents.]] Justified in that the Investigation you see is a simulated version being [[spoiler:played out by the Jurists]].
29th Nov '17 9:45:04 AM ChronoLegion
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** Once TheMultiverse is added to the equation, it somehow becomes that temporal alterations in one world have zero effect on the others, even though they may have intersected at one point. For example, post-Flashpoint, when Harry and Jesse return to Earth-1, they immediately note certain differences, which weren't there pre-Flashpoint.
29th Nov '17 9:42:30 AM ChronoLegion
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** Then in ''Legends'', [[spoiler:Thawne ends up being once again erased from existence by the Black Flash... only to somehow come back and end up on Earth-X, once again wearing the face of Dr. Wells. When asked, even he's not sure how it happened. When Barry has him cornered, he decides not to kill him, possibly afraid of what Thawne's yet another death might do to the timeline]].
** Oh, and both times [[spoiler:Thawne comes back to life, he acts as if he has lived those 15 years in the guise of Harrison Wells, even though this is a version of him that hasn't experienced those events]].
11th Nov '17 10:30:49 AM Forenperser
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*** In ''Season 2'' it get's even more convoluted when the LegionOfDoom [[spoiler: acquires the Spear of Destiny, an item that can alter reality, and use it to create a perfect world (for them) and change the entire timeline. And despite the past being changed too via this, the Legends are still somehow able to travel back in time to a point where time hasn't been altered yet.]]
29th Oct '17 9:06:04 PM Andyroid
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* One of the first episodes of ''WesternAnimation/{{Sealab 2021}}'' shows Stormy and Quinn trying to steal cable for Captain Murphy and inadvertently cause a rift that sends them back in time to just before they left Sealab (about 15 minutes). They try to prevent themselves from causing the rift, but past Captain Murphy is convinced they are evil dopplegangers not time travelers, so he has them locked in the brig. When their past-selves cause the rift (again), they experience the same events but somehow the original pair is ''also'' in the brig when they get there. So now there's 3 Stormys and 3 Quinns running around. Since the time difference is only 15 minutes, each successive Stormy and Quinn react in the same way, and since each pair is unable to stop the next pair, the number of Stormies and Quinns keeps growing until the brig is filled with them and they have to start referring to each other by which iteration of the loop they came from (i.e. Quinn 1, Quin 2, "the 7s", etc). Eventually time itself is getting so screwed up that weird alternate versions of them start showing up too (like Quin as [[Franchise/StarWars Jabba and Stormy as his pet]]). The Quinns band together to try and think of a solution, while the Stormys play dodgeball. Ultimately, one of the Stormys reveals that they've been using their communicator watch(es) the whole time (but only with already locked up Stormys). One of the Quinns borrows it to call the version who is out stealing cable and ''finally'' ends the loop by averting the next explosion. Then, [[StatusQuoIsGod instead of using the combined brain power of dozens of genius Quinns to solve major world problems]], Captain Murphy has all the duplicates [[GladiatorGames fight to death in the gym for his amusement.]]

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* One of the first episodes of ''WesternAnimation/{{Sealab 2021}}'' 2021}}'': "Lost In Time" shows Stormy and Quinn trying to steal cable for Captain Murphy and inadvertently cause a rift that sends them back in time to just before they left Sealab (about 15 minutes). They try to prevent themselves from causing the rift, but past Captain Murphy is convinced they are evil dopplegangers and not time travelers, so he has them locked in the brig. When their past-selves cause the rift (again), they experience the same events but somehow the original pair is ''also'' in the brig when they get there. So now there's 3 Stormys Stormies and 3 Quinns running around. Since the time difference is only 15 minutes, each successive Stormy and Quinn react in the same way, and since each pair is unable to stop the next pair, the number of Stormies and Quinns keeps growing until the brig is filled with them and they have to start referring to each other by which iteration of the loop they came from (i.e. Quinn 1, Quin 2, "the 7s", etc). Eventually time itself is getting so screwed up that weird alternate versions of them start showing up too (like Quin as pixie versions, or [[Franchise/StarWars Quinn as Jabba the Hutt and Stormy as his pet]]). Salacious Crumb]]). The Quinns band together to try and think of a solution, while the Stormys Stormies play dodgeball. Ultimately, one of the Stormys Stormies reveals that they've been using their communicator watch(es) the whole time (but only with already locked up Stormys).Stormies). One of the Quinns borrows it to call the version who is out stealing cable and ''finally'' ends the loop by averting the next explosion. Then, [[StatusQuoIsGod instead of using the combined brain power of dozens of genius Quinns to solve major world problems]], Captain Murphy has all the duplicates [[GladiatorGames fight to death in the gym for his amusement.]]
26th Sep '17 9:01:50 PM FuzzyWulfe
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*** This also brings up a StableTimeLoop. Sam as a young boy sent the letter that the host reads on air at the end of the show, which prompts him to provide the explanation that Sam had previously given the host to make travel across one's lifetime work. It was that explanation that he watched given to his letter that inspired and guided Sam's research into time travel and create the Quantum Leap program to go back in time and create the event that led to him being able to go back in time.
7th Sep '17 10:27:53 PM RyCyber
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** Several episodes later, Flash goes back in time [[spoiler:to talk with Prof. Thawne [[MindScrew before he's prevented from ever being born]]]]. This time he encounters a so called Time Wraith, which hunts those who travel through time "and don't know what they're doing" ([[FridgeLogic Never mind that this is the first time when he]]''[[FridgeLogic does]]''[[FridgeLogic know what he's doing.]] He has a plan and more or less does exactly what he intended to, even if he had to play a bit of XanatosSpeedChess in the meantime), which have never been so much as ''mentioned'' before.

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** Several episodes later, Flash goes back in time [[spoiler:to talk with Prof. Thawne [[MindScrew before he's prevented from ever being born]]]]. This time he encounters a so called Time Wraith, which hunts those who travel through time "and don't know what they're doing" ([[FridgeLogic Never mind that this is the first time when he]]''[[FridgeLogic does]]''[[FridgeLogic he]] ''[[FridgeLogic does]]'' [[FridgeLogic know what he's doing.]] He has a plan and more or less does exactly what he intended to, even if he had to play a bit of XanatosSpeedChess in the meantime), which have never been so much as ''mentioned'' before.
7th Sep '17 10:25:59 PM RyCyber
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** The events of the first season of ''Series/TheFlash2014'' were kickstarted by [[spoiler:Prof. Eobard Thawne]] a.k.a. the Reverse Flash going back in time and killing Nora Allen. He also spends most of the season trying to get back to the future and it's heavily implied that he wants to go back to the same future he left despite going back a few centuries and causing ''massive'' changes.

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** The events of the first season of ''Series/TheFlash2014'' were kickstarted by [[spoiler:Prof. Eobard Thawne]] a.k.a. the Reverse Flash going back in time and killing Nora Allen. He also spends most of the season trying to get back to the future and it's heavily implied that he wants to go back to the same future he left despite going back a few centuries century and causing ''massive'' changes.
15th Aug '17 9:35:44 AM wingedcatgirl
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* ''VideoGame/TimeHollow'' suffers from this trope at times. At one point, you [[spoiler: rescue a mother and son from dying in a bus crash.]] Immediately afterwards, time refuses to change. So you try again. And again, nothing happens. [[spoiler: Turns out the mother deliberately RE-changed events to cause her and her son's death.]] This is handwaved with an explanation that objects and people pulled or otherwise sent through a time warp become 'detached' in time. It may make your head hurt a bit more when you are able to talk to [[spoiler: the mother, older, in the timeline in which you saved her,]] even though that timeline, from your perspective, DOES NOT EXIST [[spoiler: because she keeps changing the past to prevent it]].


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* ''VisualNovel/TimeHollow'' suffers from this trope at times. At one point, you [[spoiler: rescue a mother and son from dying in a bus crash.]] Immediately afterwards, time refuses to change. So you try again. And again, nothing happens. [[spoiler: Turns out the mother deliberately RE-changed events to cause her and her son's death.]] This is handwaved with an explanation that objects and people pulled or otherwise sent through a time warp become 'detached' in time. It may make your head hurt a bit more when you are able to talk to [[spoiler: the mother, older, in the timeline in which you saved her,]] even though that timeline, from your perspective, DOES NOT EXIST [[spoiler: because she keeps changing the past to prevent it]].
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1st Aug '17 12:25:55 AM Malachi108
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** Then all logic is thrown out of the whole thing at the end of Season 2 of Flash. Barry goes back in time again to prevent his mother's death and succeeds, in effect just undoing all the changes Reverse Flash caused in the first place. The 3rd season opens with the Flashpoint timeline, a timeline where of course Barry's parents are still alive, but the particle accelerator explosion happened early somehow anyway even though Thawne is the one that made that happen, there are metahumans running around as a result, Wally is The Flash instead of Barry, Barry is gradually losing his powers because in this timeline he never got them for some reason, Joe is a hopeless drunk barely hanging onto his job, while Cisco is filthy rich and Caitlin is a Pediatrician. It gets even MORE confusing when Barry subsequently reverses his change, which instead of ending up right back in the timeline as he left it resulted in a timeline where Thawne somehow never became trapped in the past thus should have resulted in the events of the first 2 seasons never happening but again they do anyway, Cisco's bother died in a car crash, Caitlin now is developing ice powers, Joe and Iris are on the outs, Barry has a partner at work that never was there before, and there's a supervillain running around giving people who had powers back in Flashpoint powers again for some reason and yet another speedster supervillain behind that.

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** Then all logic is thrown out of the whole thing at the end of Season 2 of Flash. Barry goes back in time again to prevent his mother's death and succeeds, in effect just undoing all the changes Reverse Flash caused in the first place. The 3rd season opens with the Flashpoint timeline, a timeline where of course Barry's parents are still alive, but the particle accelerator explosion happened early somehow anyway even though Thawne is the one that made that happen, there are metahumans running around as a result, Wally is The Flash instead of Barry, Barry is gradually losing his powers because in this timeline he never got them for some reason, Joe is a hopeless drunk barely hanging onto his job, while Cisco is filthy rich and Caitlin is a Pediatrician. It gets even MORE confusing when Barry subsequently reverses his change, which instead of ending up right back in the timeline as he left it resulted in a timeline where Thawne somehow never became trapped in the past thus should have resulted in the events of the first 2 seasons never happening but again they do anyway, Cisco's bother brother died in a car crash, Caitlin now is developing ice powers, Joe and Iris are on the outs, Barry has a partner at work that never was there before, and there's a supervillain running around giving people who had powers back in Flashpoint powers again for some reason and yet another speedster supervillain behind that.
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