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14th Jan '17 7:53:44 PM zaphod77
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** In ''[[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaWarriorWithin Warrior Within]]'' the Prince is being chased by the Dahaka in the present, a timeline guardian who is trying to ensure that the timeline proceeds as it was meant to. He is not chased in the past. The Prince inadvertently creates a StableTimeLoop when he [[spoiler: kills Kaileena and creates the Sands of Time, the very thing that he was traveling back in time to prevent]], discovering that he has [[YouHaveAlreadyChangedThePast already changed the past]], just as he was fated to do! At this point, he then is chased in the past as well, as he still needs to be killed for unleashing the sands. Then, he discovers a way to co-exist with himself in the same timeline, which he uses until [[spoiler: his normal self in the past timeline is killed, allowing him to remove the Mask of the Wraith.]] He then returns to the past to attempt to actually change his fate.

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** In ''[[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaWarriorWithin Warrior Within]]'' the Prince is being chased by the Dahaka in the present, a timeline guardian who is trying to ensure that the timeline proceeds as it was meant to. He is not chased in the past. The Prince inadvertently creates a StableTimeLoop when he [[spoiler: kills Kaileena and creates the Sands of Time, the very thing that he was traveling back in time to prevent]], discovering that he has [[YouHaveAlreadyChangedThePast [[YouAlreadyChangedThePast already changed the past]], just as he was fated to do! At this point, he then is chased in the past as well, as he still needs to be killed for unleashing the sands. Then, he discovers a way to co-exist with himself in the same timeline, which he uses until [[spoiler: his normal self in the past timeline is killed, allowing him to remove the Mask of the Wraith.]] He then returns to the past to attempt to actually change his fate.
14th Jan '17 7:52:12 PM zaphod77
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** In ''[[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaWarriorWithin Warrior Within]]'' the Prince is being chased by the Dahaka in the present, a timeline guardian who is trying to ensure that the timeline proceeds as it was meant to. He is not chased in the past. The Prince inadvertently creates a StableTimeLoop when he [[spoiler: kills Kaileena and creates the Sands of Time, the very thing that he was traveling back in time to prevent],] discovering that he has [[YouHaveAlreadyChangedThePast already changed the past]], just as he was fated to do! At this point, he then is chased in the past as well, as he still needs to be killed for unleashing the sands. Then, he discovers a way to co-exist with himself in the same timeline, which he uses until [[spoiler: his normal self in the past timeline is killed, allowing him to remove the Mask of the Wraith.]] He then returns to the past to attempt to actually change his fate.

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** In ''[[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaWarriorWithin Warrior Within]]'' the Prince is being chased by the Dahaka in the present, a timeline guardian who is trying to ensure that the timeline proceeds as it was meant to. He is not chased in the past. The Prince inadvertently creates a StableTimeLoop when he [[spoiler: kills Kaileena and creates the Sands of Time, the very thing that he was traveling back in time to prevent],] prevent]], discovering that he has [[YouHaveAlreadyChangedThePast already changed the past]], just as he was fated to do! At this point, he then is chased in the past as well, as he still needs to be killed for unleashing the sands. Then, he discovers a way to co-exist with himself in the same timeline, which he uses until [[spoiler: his normal self in the past timeline is killed, allowing him to remove the Mask of the Wraith.]] He then returns to the past to attempt to actually change his fate.
14th Jan '17 7:50:20 PM zaphod77
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** In ''[[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaWarriorWithin Warrior Within]]'' the Prince is being chased by the Dahaka in the present, a timeline guardian who is trying to ensure that the timeline proceeds as it was meant to. H is not chased in the past. The Prince inadvertently creates a StableTimeLoop when he [[spoiler: kills Kaileena and creates the Sands of Time, the very thing that he was traveling back in time to prevent,] discovering that he has [[YouHaveAlreadyChangedThePast already changed the past]], just as he was fated to do! At this point, he then is chased in the past as well, as he still needs to be killed for unleashing the sands. Then, he discovers a way to co-exist with himself in the same timeline, which he uses until [[spoiler: his normal self in the past timeline is killed, allowing him to remove the Mask of the Wraith.]] He then returns to the past to attempt to actually change his fate.

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** In ''[[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaWarriorWithin Warrior Within]]'' the Prince is being chased by the Dahaka in the present, a timeline guardian who is trying to ensure that the timeline proceeds as it was meant to. H He is not chased in the past. The Prince inadvertently creates a StableTimeLoop when he [[spoiler: kills Kaileena and creates the Sands of Time, the very thing that he was traveling back in time to prevent,] prevent],] discovering that he has [[YouHaveAlreadyChangedThePast already changed the past]], just as he was fated to do! At this point, he then is chased in the past as well, as he still needs to be killed for unleashing the sands. Then, he discovers a way to co-exist with himself in the same timeline, which he uses until [[spoiler: his normal self in the past timeline is killed, allowing him to remove the Mask of the Wraith.]] He then returns to the past to attempt to actually change his fate.
8th Jan '17 10:37:55 PM zaphod77
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** At the end of ''[[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaTheSandsOfTime The Sands of Time]]'', the Prince [[spoiler: entirely reverses the events that just took place, making it so the events of the first game don't happen]]. This creates a paradox.
** In ''[[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaWarriorWithin Warrior Within]]'' the Prince is being chased by the Dahaka, a timeline guardian who is trying to ensure that the timeline proceeds as it was meant to. The Prince inadvertently creates a StableTimeLoop when he [[spoiler: kills Kaileena and creates the Sands of Time, the very thing that he was traveling back in time to prevent.]] Then, he discovers a way to co-exist with himself in the same timeline, which he uses until [[spoiler: his normal self in the past timeline is killed, allowing him to remove the Mask of the Wraith.]]
** At the end of the second game, [[spoiler: he has killed the Dahaka and successfully prevented the Sands of Time from ever being created]], causing another disruption of the true timeline.
** In ''[[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaTheTwoThrones The Two Thrones]]'', the Prince discovers that his paradoxical actions in Sands of Time mean that the Vizier was never killed and war has been unleashed on his homeland. The Vizier [[spoiler: captures and kills Kaileena, once again unleashing the Sands of Time and effectively repeating the events of the first game in a different setting]]. The Prince eventually [[spoiler: kills the Vizier seals away the Sands again]] and seems to have learned from a all his futile time-travel, as he leaves the end of the game be with no further meddling.

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** At the end of ''[[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaTheSandsOfTime The Sands of Time]]'', the Prince [[spoiler: entirely reverses the events that just took place, making it so the events of the first game don't happen]]. This creates seems to have created a paradox.
paradox by the start of the second game.
** In ''[[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaWarriorWithin Warrior Within]]'' the Prince is being chased by the Dahaka, Dahaka in the present, a timeline guardian who is trying to ensure that the timeline proceeds as it was meant to. H is not chased in the past. The Prince inadvertently creates a StableTimeLoop when he [[spoiler: kills Kaileena and creates the Sands of Time, the very thing that he was traveling back in time to prevent.]] prevent,] discovering that he has [[YouHaveAlreadyChangedThePast already changed the past]], just as he was fated to do! At this point, he then is chased in the past as well, as he still needs to be killed for unleashing the sands. Then, he discovers a way to co-exist with himself in the same timeline, which he uses until [[spoiler: his normal self in the past timeline is killed, allowing him to remove the Mask of the Wraith.]]
]] He then returns to the past to attempt to actually change his fate.
** At the end of the second game, in the GoldenEnding, [[spoiler: he has killed the Dahaka and successfully prevented the Sands of Time from ever being created]], causing another a true disruption of the true timeline.
** In ''[[VideoGame/PrinceOfPersiaTheTwoThrones The Two Thrones]]'', the Prince discovers that his paradoxical actions in Sands of Time Warrior Within mean that the Vizier was never killed and war has been unleashed on his homeland. The Vizier [[spoiler: captures and kills Kaileena, once again unleashing the Sands of Time and effectively repeating the events of the first game in a different setting]]. The Prince eventually [[spoiler: kills the Vizier seals away the Sands again]] and seems to have learned from a all his futile time-travel, as he leaves the end of the game be with no further meddling.meddling, happy with the one actual change in his life that he actually got to stick, [[spoiler:Farah's survival]].
9th Dec '16 2:48:31 PM Morgenthaler
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** Strangely, it seems the farther into the future they see, the more pliable time becomes. For example, if Hiro tries to fix something close to the present, for example, saving Charlie's life, or capturing Usutsu, it's impossible. Can't change it no matter how hard they try. However, the apocalyptic future they inevitably go to in every single season so far, they always find a way to avert that. Well, usually, that seems to be changing for season three, and even before that, some things were constant across all the alternate futures. Peter's scar, and Hiro being BadAss with a sword.

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** Strangely, it seems the farther into the future they see, the more pliable time becomes. For example, if Hiro tries to fix something close to the present, for example, saving Charlie's life, or capturing Usutsu, it's impossible. Can't change it no matter how hard they try. However, the apocalyptic future they inevitably go to in every single season so far, they always find a way to avert that. Well, usually, that seems to be changing for season three, and even before that, some things were constant across all the alternate futures. Peter's scar, and Hiro being BadAss badass with a sword.
27th Nov '16 3:10:41 PM Urameshi
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*** For Lucca, it's uncertain if she remembers her mother being paraplegic. After saving her and returning to the present, you can visit her and see she walking, but nobody (not even Lucca herself) comments on this.
12th Nov '16 5:04:54 PM rjd1922
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* ''Webcomic/MinionsAtWork:'' [http://www.theminionsatwork.com/comic/a-paradox-is-not-a-pair-remastered-sorta/ Pretend it never happened]].

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* ''Webcomic/MinionsAtWork:'' [http://www.[[http://www.theminionsatwork.com/comic/a-paradox-is-not-a-pair-remastered-sorta/ Pretend it never happened]].
5th Nov '16 12:49:26 AM DefectiveGoldfish
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* ''Webcomic/MinionsAtWork:'' [[http://www.minionsatwork.com/2009/02/minions-152-working-overtime.html Pretend it never happened]].

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* ''Webcomic/MinionsAtWork:'' [[http://www.minionsatwork.com/2009/02/minions-152-working-overtime.html [http://www.theminionsatwork.com/comic/a-paradox-is-not-a-pair-remastered-sorta/ Pretend it never happened]].
8th Oct '16 6:59:48 PM merotoker
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* Marvel Comics' ''ComicBook/AdamWarlock'', specifically his evil future self The Magus embodies this trope. Adam Warlock met his futureself and immediately The Magus set about trying to ensure Adam would turn into him. This did not work when "Thanos" and the In-Betweener interfered and Adam was given a choice of timelines, wherein he chose the shortest. The Magus appeared again when Adam Warlock attained the Infinity Guantlet and divested himself of his good self (The Goddess) and his evil self (The Magus). The Magus initiated the Infinity War, but was defeated. Later, to seal the Fault in space caused, in part by the Annihilation Wave, The Phalanx Invasion, and the War of Kings, Adam Warlock [[spoiler: who, as he expanded magical energy slowly started turning into The Magus, used an "unused" timeline to repair the fault. That particular "unused" timeline was the one in which he became The Magus.]]

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* Marvel Comics' ''ComicBook/AdamWarlock'', specifically his evil future self The Magus embodies this trope. Adam Warlock met his futureself and immediately The Magus set about trying to ensure Adam would turn into him. This did not work when "Thanos" and the In-Betweener interfered and Adam was given a choice of timelines, wherein he chose the shortest. The Magus appeared again when Adam Warlock attained the Infinity Guantlet and divested himself of his good self (The Goddess) and his evil self (The Magus). The Magus initiated the Infinity War, but was defeated. Later, to seal the Fault in space caused, in part by the Annihilation Wave, The Phalanx Invasion, and the War of Kings, Adam Warlock [[spoiler: who, as he expanded magical energy slowly started turning into The Magus, used an "unused" timeline to repair the fault. That particular "unused" timeline was the one in which he became The Magus.]]Magus]].



** Say the word "Kang" to a fan and they'll often shudder. His time-travel schemes are so complex that his future self, Immortus, is another major Avengers enemy, and the two can often be seen fighting each other. To give a sense of scale: most Marvel Handbook profiles are one to three pages long except for major characters like Spider-Man, Iron Man or Wolverine. Kang's gets ''six pages'', and the bottom half of each page is devoted to Kang's timeline, which is chronological in years but requires jumping around from page to page to get Kang's chronological story.

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** Say the word "Kang" to a fan and they'll often shudder. His time-travel schemes are so complex that his future self, Immortus, is another major Avengers enemy, and the two can often be seen fighting each other. To give a sense of scale: most Marvel Handbook profiles are one to three pages long except for major characters like Spider-Man, Iron Man Franchise/SpiderMan, ComicBook/IronMan or Wolverine.ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}. Kang's gets ''six pages'', and the bottom half of each page is devoted to Kang's timeline, which is chronological in years but requires jumping around from page to page to get Kang's chronological story.



--->'''Jessica Jones:''' Is this a time-travel thing? Because I ''hate'' time-travel things.\\
'''ComicBook/IronMan:''' If it's Kang, it's a time-travel thing.\\

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--->'''Jessica Jones:''' --->'''ComicBook/JessicaJones:''' Is this a time-travel thing? Because I ''hate'' time-travel things.\\
'''ComicBook/IronMan:''' '''Iron Man:''' If it's Kang, it's a time-travel thing.\\



* Limbo in the Marvel Universe (mainly shows up in association with ''ComicBook/XMen'') is an entire ''dimension'' of timey-wimeyness. When the X-Men entered and got separated, both Wolverine and Colossus encountered long-dead versions of each other, and managed to escape just fine in the end. Storm was stopped at one point by her older self, who had remained in Limbo for decades studying magic. And Nightcrawler killed his older self.
* ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehog'' has an interesting variation at one point. Knuckles, juiced up on Chaos Energy, was given the chance to bring back everyone on the Floating Island through his power. To do so, he keeps bouncing back in time and stopping a certain event. Not only that has bad consequences for him, what he doesn't know is that he keeps futzing up the actual Sonic events, creating timelines such as a pure [=SatAM=] world, one based off of the 1995 OVA and a timeline where Robotnik never initiated his coup. At the end, Knuckles decides to stop that and just bring everyone back from the prison the Dark Legion launched them into.

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* Limbo in the Marvel Universe (mainly shows up in association with ''ComicBook/XMen'') is an entire ''dimension'' of timey-wimeyness. When the X-Men entered and got separated, both Wolverine and Colossus encountered long-dead versions of each other, and managed to escape just fine in the end. Storm ComicBook/{{Storm}} was stopped at one point by her older self, who had remained in Limbo for decades studying magic. And Nightcrawler ComicBook/{{Nightcrawler}} killed his older self.
* ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehog'' has an interesting variation at one point. Knuckles, juiced up on Chaos Energy, was given the chance to bring back everyone on the Floating Island through his power. To do so, he keeps bouncing back in time and stopping a certain event. Not only does that has have bad consequences for him, but what he doesn't know is that he keeps futzing up the actual Sonic events, creating timelines such as a pure [=SatAM=] world, one based off of the 1995 OVA and a timeline where Robotnik never initiated his coup. At the end, Knuckles decides to stop that and just bring everyone back from the prison the Dark Legion launched them into.






* In ''Fanfic/TheSecondTry'', Shinji and Asuka set to avert [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Third Impact,]] even though it'd mean that [[spoiler:their beloved daughter will never be born.]] In order to avoid this, [[spoiler:[[HumanoidAbomination Kaworu]] sends Aki back in time, but she arrives several months later than her parents.]]

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* In ''Fanfic/TheSecondTry'', Shinji and Asuka set to avert [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt Third Impact,]] even though it'd mean that [[spoiler:their beloved daughter will never be born.]] In order to avoid this, [[spoiler:[[HumanoidAbomination Kaworu]] sends Aki back in time, but she arrives several months later than her parents.]]parents]].



** ''Film/TerminatorGenisys'' goes whole hog on the Timey-Wimey Ball, as Kyle goes to 1984, and finds that the past has already changed thanks to [=SkyNet=] sending Terminators to try to kill Sarah when she was even younger. And that was caused by a ButterflyOfDoom ''in the future'' - [[spoiler: namely, Sknet attacking John while Kyle was going back through time.]] ''Entertainment Weekly'' [[http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/30/terminator-genisys-franchise-timeline-explained tried to explain how things went]] (the writer even lampshades how complicated things get: "If I follow this correctly—and I admit that my nose is bleeding while I type this...").
* In TheFilmOfTheBook ''Film/{{The Time Machine|2002}}'' (2002), the Time Traveler discovers that he cannot change any part of the past that would interfere with him creating the Time Machine, since it would create a TemporalParadox. He can interfere with other matters, [[spoiler:such as when he goes even further into the future only to see the Morlocks victorious over the Eloi, and afterward returns to the year 802701 to successfully defeat the Morlocks]].

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** ''Film/TerminatorGenisys'' goes whole hog on the Timey-Wimey Ball, as Kyle goes to 1984, and finds that the past has already changed thanks to [=SkyNet=] sending Terminators to try to kill Sarah when she was even younger. And that was caused by a ButterflyOfDoom ''in the future'' - [[spoiler: namely, Sknet attacking John while Kyle was going back through time.]] time]]. ''Entertainment Weekly'' [[http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/30/terminator-genisys-franchise-timeline-explained tried to explain how things went]] (the writer even lampshades how complicated things get: "If I follow this correctly—and I admit that my nose is bleeding while I type this...").
* In TheFilmOfTheBook ''Film/{{The Time Machine|2002}}'' (2002), ''Film/TheTimeMachine2002'', the Time Traveler discovers that he cannot change any part of the past that would interfere with him creating the Time Machine, since it would create a TemporalParadox. He can interfere with other matters, [[spoiler:such as when he goes even further into the future only to see the Morlocks victorious over the Eloi, and afterward returns to the year 802701 to successfully defeat the Morlocks]].



* ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' made use of TimeTravel occasionally, and each time it apparently worked differently. Different techniques of TimeTravel were involved, at least one of which was by use of a [[TimeMachine thingy]] created by the closest thing to a {{God}} in the series, and another (a BadFuture-esque thing) was just flat-out never explained. The bad future was apparently [[spoiler:a dream caused by an advanced being for some reason. Maybe.]]

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* ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' made use of TimeTravel occasionally, and each time it apparently worked differently. Different techniques of TimeTravel were involved, at least one of which was by use of a [[TimeMachine thingy]] created by the closest thing to a {{God}} in the series, and another (a BadFuture-esque thing) was just flat-out never explained. The bad future was apparently [[spoiler:a dream caused by an advanced being for some reason. Maybe.]]Maybe]].



* David Gerrold's ''The Man Who Folded Himself'' features a time-travel belt, which has the traveller completely paranoid about the possibility of a TemporalParadox destroying him. It turns out that {{Temporal Paradox}}es are impossible; TimeTravel rewrites history except for the guy who travelled through time. Various MindScrew moments: [[spoiler:the protagonist has orgies with himself of different ages, writes himself out of history, has a family with himself as a female, eventually has that written out of history (but his son still exists) and culminates in finally giving himself (as the son, so he's his own father) the time travel device. On the last, the idea of where it came from is explored a couple of times and eventually it's hit upon that it's impossible to know where it came from, the creators must have been written out of history. Oh, and he kills {{Jesus}} at an early age. It's okay, he goes back and stops himself after finding out how much it screws with history.]]

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* David Gerrold's ''The Man Who Folded Himself'' features a time-travel belt, which has the traveller completely paranoid about the possibility of a TemporalParadox destroying him. It turns out that {{Temporal Paradox}}es are impossible; TimeTravel rewrites history except for the guy who travelled through time. Various MindScrew moments: [[spoiler:the protagonist has orgies with himself of different ages, writes himself out of history, has a family with himself as a female, eventually has that written out of history (but his son still exists) and culminates in finally giving himself (as the son, so he's his own father) the time travel device. On the last, the idea of where it came from is explored a couple of times and eventually it's hit upon that it's impossible to know where it came from, the creators must have been written out of history. Oh, and he kills {{Jesus}} at an early age. It's okay, he goes back and stops himself after finding out how much it screws with history.]]history]].



** Heinlein wrote a short story called ''Literature/ByHisBootstraps'', in which the protagonist exploits a time machine to move himself forward in time. Simple enough. The MindScrew comes in when [[spoiler: he does this by his future self sending back his intermediate self to persuade his past self to enter the machine's portal. When the past self becomes the intermediate self, he attempts to double cross the future self, but that double cross naturally results in him becoming the future self.]] Follow all that?
** For a real, double whammy version of mind screw, read ''Literature/AllYouZombies'' [[spoiler: which chronicles a young man (later revealed to be post-real-sex change) taken back in time and tricked into impregnating his younger, female self (before s/he underwent said sex change); then he turns out to be the offspring of that union (time-relocated yet again), with the paradoxical result that he is both his own mother and father. As the story unfolds, all the major characters -- the young single mother, her seducer, the alcoholic writer, the bartender who recruits him into the time-travel corps, ''and even the baby'' -- are revealed to be the same person, at different stages of her/his life.]] How's your mind doing now?

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** Heinlein wrote a short story called ''Literature/ByHisBootstraps'', in which the protagonist exploits a time machine to move himself forward in time. Simple enough. The MindScrew comes in when [[spoiler: he does this by his future self sending back his intermediate self to persuade his past self to enter the machine's portal. When the past self becomes the intermediate self, he attempts to double cross the future self, but that double cross naturally results in him becoming the future self.]] self]]. Follow all that?
** For a real, double whammy version of mind screw, read ''Literature/AllYouZombies'' [[spoiler: which chronicles a young man (later revealed to be post-real-sex change) taken back in time and tricked into impregnating his younger, female self (before s/he underwent said sex change); then he turns out to be the offspring of that union (time-relocated yet again), with the paradoxical result that he is both his own mother and father. As the story unfolds, all the major characters -- the young single mother, her seducer, the alcoholic writer, the bartender who recruits him into the time-travel corps, ''and even the baby'' -- are revealed to be the same person, at different stages of her/his life.]] life]]. How's your mind doing now?



* In ''Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'' time travel says ScrewTheRulesIHavePlot pretty much whenever it appears.

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* In ''Franchise/{{Arrowverse}}'' time travel says ScrewTheRulesIHavePlot has NewRulesAsThePlotDemands pretty much whenever it appears.



** Then Reverse Flash returned in season 2 [[spoiler: despite never having been born]]. This was explained by him being protected by some "time bubble" or whatever during his "earlier" time travels. When he gets locked in the pipeline and stopped from going back to the future(from which he would have time traveled again to cause Season 1 to happen) metahuman Vibe is somehow getting erased from existence supposely because he got powers from Reverse Flash causing explosion of particle accelerator. For some reason only Vibe is affected despite ''every'' metahuman getting his/her powers this way. Flash has to get Reverse Flash back to the future to save Vibe and yet this time it's achieved merely by running fast enough without using the hydrogen particle.
** Several episodes later Flash goes back in time [[spoiler: to talk with Prof. Thawne [[MindScrew before he's prevented from ever being born]]]]. This time he encounters so called Time Wraith which hunts those who travel through time "and don't know what they're doing" ([[FridgeLogic Never mind that this is the first time when he]]''[[FridgeLogic does]]''[[FridgeLogic know what he's doing.]] He has a plan and more or less does exacly what he intended to, even if he had to play a bit of XanatosSpeedChess in the meantime), which have never been so much as ''mentioned'' before.

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** Then Reverse Flash returned in season 2 [[spoiler: despite never having been born]]. This was explained by him being protected by some "time bubble" or whatever during his "earlier" time travels. When he gets locked in the pipeline and stopped from going back to the future(from which he would have time traveled again to cause Season 1 to happen) metahuman Vibe is somehow getting erased from existence supposely supposedly because he got powers from Reverse Flash causing explosion of particle accelerator. For some reason only Vibe is affected despite ''every'' metahuman getting his/her powers this way. Flash has to get Reverse Flash back to the future to save Vibe and yet this time it's achieved merely by running fast enough without using the hydrogen particle.
** Several episodes later Flash goes back in time [[spoiler: to talk with Prof. Thawne [[MindScrew before he's prevented from ever being born]]]]. This time he encounters so called Time Wraith which hunts those who travel through time "and don't know what they're doing" ([[FridgeLogic Never mind that this is the first time when he]]''[[FridgeLogic does]]''[[FridgeLogic know what he's doing.]] He has a plan and more or less does exacly exactly what he intended to, even if he had to play a bit of XanatosSpeedChess in the meantime), which have never been so much as ''mentioned'' before.



* The {{Trope Namer|s}}, ''Series/DoctorWho'': As a roughly consistent general rule, [[StableTimeLoop Stable Time Loops]] work, but [[GrandfatherParadox doing something that will prevent you from going back in the first place]] has varying degrees of bad consequences. The specifics, however, are complicated enough to warrant [[TimeyWimeyBall/DoctorWho their own subpage]].

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* The {{Trope Namer|s}}, ''Series/DoctorWho'': As a roughly consistent general rule, [[StableTimeLoop Stable {{Stable Time Loops]] Loop}}s work, but [[GrandfatherParadox doing something that will prevent you from going back in the first place]] has varying degrees of bad consequences. The specifics, however, are complicated enough to warrant [[TimeyWimeyBall/DoctorWho their own subpage]].



** The original ''Series/KamenRider'' has two friends of Goro's by the names of... [[spoiler: Naoki and Mitsuru]]. We meet them in the latter third of the series. Whether ''Let's Go Kamen Riders'' is trying to say that they [[spoiler: are the same ones and we didn't know they were time travellers]] is hard to tell, but if that's what it means, it's certainly interesting. However, this adds another level to the timey-wimey: a 1973 with ''Let's Go Kamen Riders'' having happened led to the ''Franchise/KamenRider'' universe proceeding in the manner we saw in the older shows, even though the whole movie is that the Den-Liner gang's trip leads to a BadFuture which [[spoiler: got a happy ending in the present, but can't ever be erased.]]

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** The original ''Series/KamenRider'' has two friends of Goro's by the names of... [[spoiler: Naoki and Mitsuru]]. We meet them in the latter third of the series. Whether ''Let's Go Kamen Riders'' is trying to say that they [[spoiler: are the same ones and we didn't know they were time travellers]] is hard to tell, but if that's what it means, it's certainly interesting. However, this adds another level to the timey-wimey: a 1973 with ''Let's Go Kamen Riders'' having happened led to the ''Franchise/KamenRider'' universe proceeding in the manner we saw in the older shows, even though the whole movie is that the Den-Liner gang's trip leads to a BadFuture which [[spoiler: got a happy ending in the present, but can't ever be erased.]]erased]].



* ''TabletopGame/FengShui'' uses this trope quite effectively: The heroes can jump between [[SanDimasTime 4 points in history]] by using the Netherworld. Transferring control of enough Feng Shui sites changes the future completely, except for anyone who's [[RippleProofMemory visited the Netherworld]].

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* ''TabletopGame/FengShui'' uses this trope quite effectively: The heroes can jump between [[SanDimasTime 4 points in history]] by using the Netherworld. Transferring control of enough Feng Shui sites changes the future completely, except for anyone who's [[RippleProofMemory [[RippleEffectProofMemory visited the Netherworld]].



* ''VideoGame/BackToTheFuture: The Game'' confuses the series' time travel mechanics even further, [[spoiler: when Marty and Doc inadvertently create a timeline where Emmett Brown never creates the time machine in the first place (and in fact never becomes "Doc" Brown). While Marty is unaffected by the changes in the timeline (so long as it doesn't result in his erasure from existence, as usual), Doc actually disappears from the De Lorean once they land in 1985.]] [[spoiler: The De Lorean doesn't start to disappear until Marty managed to get the 1931 timeline mostly straightened out, but only after another Doc Brown travelled back from 1986 to pick up Marty, and it took days for the thing to finally vanish.]]

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* ''VideoGame/BackToTheFuture: The Game'' confuses the series' time travel mechanics even further, [[spoiler: when Marty and Doc inadvertently create a timeline where Emmett Brown never creates the time machine in the first place (and in fact never becomes "Doc" Brown). While Marty is unaffected by the changes in the timeline (so long as it doesn't result in his erasure from existence, as usual), Doc actually disappears from the De Lorean [=DeLorean=] once they land in 1985.]] [[spoiler: 1985. The De Lorean [=DeLorean=] doesn't start to disappear until Marty managed to get the 1931 timeline mostly straightened out, but only after another Doc Brown travelled back from 1986 to pick up Marty, and it took days for the thing to finally vanish.]]vanish]].



* To say that this trope pops up in ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'' is like saying there's some water in the Atlantic Ocean. So you're hired to retrieve a girl from a floating city run by a racist madman who believes himself to be the American Jesus. Seems simple enough. Then you find out the girl can rend spacetime, [[spoiler: go on trips to multiple time lines, find out the girl is the daughter you sold away in one possible world, and that the bad guy is a possible you.]]

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* To say that this trope pops up in ''VideoGame/BioShockInfinite'' is like saying there's some water in the Atlantic Ocean. So you're hired to retrieve a girl from a floating city run by a racist madman who believes himself to be the American Jesus. Seems simple enough. Then you find out the girl can rend spacetime, [[spoiler: go on trips to multiple time lines, find out the girl is the daughter you sold away in one possible world, and that the bad guy is a possible you.]]you]].



** ''VideoGame/DragonQuestV'' has a literal Timey-Wimey Ball. As a child, your character finds a golden orb which doesn't seem too important. A bit later, you meet a stranger who asks you if he can have a look at it. At one point, the leader of an evil cult destroys the orb for no apparent reason at the time. After a timeskip and many hours of gameplay, [[spoiler:your character, now an adult, finds out that the golden orb was really the power source of a floating castle. You then receive a fake golden orb, go back to the time of your childhood through a magic painting and secretly exchange the orbs with your younger self and return to the present with the real one, meaning that the cult leader only destroyed the fake.]]

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** ''VideoGame/DragonQuestV'' has a literal Timey-Wimey Ball. As a child, your character finds a golden orb which doesn't seem too important. A bit later, you meet a stranger who asks you if he can have a look at it. At one point, the leader of an evil cult destroys the orb for no apparent reason at the time. After a timeskip and many hours of gameplay, [[spoiler:your character, now an adult, finds out that the golden orb was really the power source of a floating castle. You then receive a fake golden orb, go back to the time of your childhood through a magic painting and secretly exchange the orbs with your younger self and return to the present with the real one, meaning that the cult leader only destroyed the fake.]]fake]].



** ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' continues the tradition with Timeshift Stones. When hit, they revert the area around them to several hundred years in the past. Oddly, however, any change you make in the present near one of these stones will still be there in the past. And then, near the end of the game, [[spoiler: Link uses the Triforce to kill BiggerBad Demise in the present. However, Ghirahim kidnaps Zelda and uses her to free Demise several centuries in the past. Link follows him back and seals the past Demise within the Master Sword, which he leaves in the past Sealed Temple. None of this is shown to have had any effect on the timeline when Link, Groose and Zelda return to the present in the ending. The funny thing is this could have worked as a StableTimeLoop had they trapped Demise in the Sealed Temple again instead of in the Master Sword]].

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** ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' continues the tradition with Timeshift Stones. When hit, they revert the area around them to several hundred years in the past. Oddly, however, any change you make in the present near one of these stones will still be there in the past. And then, near the end of the game, [[spoiler: Link uses the Triforce to kill BiggerBad GreaterScopeVillain Demise in the present. However, Ghirahim kidnaps Zelda and uses her to free Demise several centuries in the past. Link follows him back and seals the past Demise within the Master Sword, which he leaves in the past Sealed Temple. None of this is shown to have had any effect on the timeline when Link, Groose and Zelda return to the present in the ending. The funny thing is this could have worked as a StableTimeLoop had they trapped Demise in the Sealed Temple again instead of in the Master Sword]].



* ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'' manages this. First of all, you travel back in time to defeat [[spoiler: Orochi with the help of Shiranui, your past self at full power, your grandfather, or yourself later in the game depending on your view of the Space Time Continuum. Next, Shiranui comes forward in time to help you beat the first part of the boss fight, only to get mortally injured in the present, then going back in time to die. Then, Chibiterasu, a son of Ammy, goes back in time to help his mom beat Orochi from nine months ago, thawing out his grandfather/mother at full power then going back in time 100 years in the past and... Yeah.]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Okami}}'' manages this. First of all, you travel back in time to defeat [[spoiler: Orochi with the help of Shiranui, your past self at full power, your grandfather, or yourself later in the game depending on your view of the Space Time Continuum. Next, Shiranui comes forward in time to help you beat the first part of the boss fight, only to get mortally injured in the present, then going back in time to die. Then, Chibiterasu, a son of Ammy, goes back in time to help his mom beat Orochi from nine months ago, thawing out his grandfather/mother at full power then going back in time 100 years in the past and... Yeah.]]Yeah]].



* ''VideoGame/ShadowHearts: Covenant'': A Timey-Wimey Ball in the good ending sends the main character back to the beginning of the first game with the implication that both of the first game's endings are canon. It also [[spoiler: sent Karin back in time to meet Yuri's father and become Yuri's mother.]]

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* ''VideoGame/ShadowHearts: Covenant'': A Timey-Wimey Ball in the good ending sends the main character back to the beginning of the first game with the implication that both of the first game's endings are canon. It also [[spoiler: sent Karin back in time to meet Yuri's father and become Yuri's mother.]]mother]].



* ''VideoGame/TimeHollow'' suffers from this trope at times. At one point, you [[spoiler: rescue a mother and son from dying in a bus crash.]] Immediately afterwards, time refuses to change. So you try again. And again, nothing happens. [[spoiler: Turns out the mother deliberately RE-changed events to cause her and her son's death.]] This is handwaved with an explanation that objects and people pulled or otherwise sent through a time warp become 'detached' in time. It may make your head hurt a bit more when you are able to talk to [[spoiler: the mother, older, in the timeline in which you saved her,]] even though that timeline, from your perspective, DOES NOT EXIST [[spoiler: because she keeps changing the past to prevent it.]]

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* ''VideoGame/TimeHollow'' suffers from this trope at times. At one point, you [[spoiler: rescue a mother and son from dying in a bus crash.]] Immediately afterwards, time refuses to change. So you try again. And again, nothing happens. [[spoiler: Turns out the mother deliberately RE-changed events to cause her and her son's death.]] This is handwaved with an explanation that objects and people pulled or otherwise sent through a time warp become 'detached' in time. It may make your head hurt a bit more when you are able to talk to [[spoiler: the mother, older, in the timeline in which you saved her,]] even though that timeline, from your perspective, DOES NOT EXIST [[spoiler: because she keeps changing the past to prevent it.]]it]].



** The series later attempts to explain all this earlier time-travel nonsense during the "Recollections" trilogy of seasons by [[spoiler: explaining that the Red and Blue soldiers are actually simulation troopers meant to test Freelancer troops against a myriad of mad situations and everything they were subjected to in Blood Gulch was in fact a controlled situation they weren't meant to understand.]]
** Actually Word of God from Burnie Burns has confirmed that [[spoiler: Church going back in time repeatedly never really happened, and was merely Gamma and Omega trying to cause Alpha to fracture into more A.I. fragments. Nobody moved through time in season 3. Yes this is a major retcon, but as of Season 8 it is considered the canonical explanation.]]

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** The series later attempts to explain all this earlier time-travel nonsense during the "Recollections" trilogy of seasons by [[spoiler: explaining that the Red and Blue soldiers are actually simulation troopers meant to test Freelancer troops against a myriad of mad situations and everything they were subjected to in Blood Gulch was in fact a controlled situation they weren't meant to understand.]]
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** Actually Word of God from Burnie Burns has confirmed that [[spoiler: Church going back in time repeatedly never really happened, and was merely Gamma and Omega trying to cause Alpha to fracture into more A.I. fragments. Nobody moved through time in season 3. Yes this is a major retcon, but as of Season 8 it is considered the canonical explanation.]]explanation]].



** [[spoiler:The ending however, suggest a stable time-loop, as it ends with a suggestion from a time-travelling ghost of Zero telling Wily to not activate him so he won't kill everyone. Then they all fake their death and move to Acapulco to prevent a temporal paradox]].

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** [[spoiler:The ending however, suggest a stable time-loop, as it ends with a suggestion from a time-travelling ghost of Zero telling Wily to not activate him so he won't kill everyone. Then they all fake their death and move to Acapulco to prevent a temporal paradox]].paradox.]]



* Time travel in ''Webcomic/IrregularWebcomic'' at first ''appears'' to work in a StableTimeLoop fashion, but then it's revealed that [[spoiler: It's possible to "break" a StableTimeLoop, an action capable of ''destroying the entire universe.'' [[OhCrap Several time loops have already been broken]].]] And now [[spoiler: Every universe, save the "espionage" theme universe, has been destroyed. They got better.]] [[RunningGag And now]] apparently the timeline is too broken to go back pre-1933 (specifically the date of the Reichstag Fire). Complete with a link to this very article.

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* Time travel in ''Webcomic/IrregularWebcomic'' at first ''appears'' to work in a StableTimeLoop fashion, but then it's revealed that [[spoiler: It's possible to "break" a StableTimeLoop, an action capable of ''destroying the entire universe.'' [[OhCrap Several time loops have already been broken]].]] broken]]]]. And now [[spoiler: Every universe, save the "espionage" theme universe, has been destroyed. They got better.]] better]]. [[RunningGag And now]] apparently the timeline is too broken to go back pre-1933 (specifically the date of the Reichstag Fire). Complete with a link to this very article.



** In a much later episode when Timmy wishes he were never born, ''a la'' ''Film/ItsAWonderfulLife'', Jorgen reveals that Crocker's childhood would never have been ruined had Timmy never existed, which means that there ''was'' no "first time around" [[note]]if there were, one would expect that Timmy negating his own existence would have undone all his changes to the past and history would be restored to the way it originally proceeded, sans Timmy of course[[/note]]. In other words, the writers wanted to use both [[StableTimeLoop Stable Time Loops]] and [[TemporalParadox Temporal Paradoxes]] at the same time, resulting in a confusing mess. Cosmo did a lot to get little Crocker obsessed with fairies, but he only got the opportunity due to Timmy.

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** In a much later episode when Timmy wishes he were never born, ''a la'' ''Film/ItsAWonderfulLife'', Jorgen reveals that Crocker's childhood would never have been ruined had Timmy never existed, which means that there ''was'' no "first time around" [[note]]if there were, one would expect that Timmy negating his own existence would have undone all his changes to the past and history would be restored to the way it originally proceeded, sans Timmy of course[[/note]]. In other words, the writers wanted to use both [[StableTimeLoop Stable {{Stable Time Loops]] Loop}}s and [[TemporalParadox Temporal Paradoxes]] {{Temporal Paradox}}es at the same time, resulting in a confusing mess. Cosmo did a lot to get little Crocker obsessed with fairies, but he only got the opportunity due to Timmy.



* One of the first episodes of ''WesternAnimation/{{Sealab 2021}}'' shows Stormy and Quinn trying to steal cable for Captain Murphy and inadvertently cause a rift that sends them back in time to just before they left Sealab (about 15 minutes). They try to prevent themselves from causing the rift, but past Captain Murphy is convinced they are evil dopplegangers not time travelers, so he has them locked in the brig. When their past-selves cause the rift (again), they experience the same events but somehow the original pair is ''also'' in the brig when they get there. So now there's 3 Stormys and 3 Quinns running around. Since the time difference is only 15 minutes, each successive Stormy and Quinn react in the same way, and since each pair is unable to stop the next pair, the number of Stormies and Quinns keeps growing until the brig is filled with them and they have to start referring to each other by which iteration of the loop they came from (i.e. Quinn 1, Quin 2, "the 7s", etc). Eventually time itself is getting so screwed up that weird alternate versions of them start showing up too (like Quin as [[StarWars Jabba and Stormy as his pet]]). The Quinns band together to try and think of a solution, while the Stormys play dodgeball. Ultimately, one of the Stormys reveals that they've been using their communicator watch(es) the whole time (but only with already locked up Stormys). One of the Quinns borrows it to call the version who is out stealing cable and ''finally'' ends the loop by averting the next explosion. Then, [[StatusQuoIsGod instead of using the combined brain power of dozens of genius Quinns to solve major world problems]], Captain Murphy has all the duplicates [[GladiatorGames fight to death in the gym for his amusement.]]
* ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatam'' screws up it's time travel rules quite confusingly. Sonic and Sally try to travel back in time to before Robotnik's coup in order to stop him, but soon discover that this is impossible and they can't change the past, merely [[StableTimeLoop act out or ensure predetermined events]] (Sonic causes Robotnik's arm to be robotized, saves his younger self from getting captured, etc.). However at the last moment Sally attempts to change the fate of her nanny by telling her future information and it works, even though it logically shouldn't have. Even more confusingly, RippleProofMemory is in effect, so Sonic and Sally don't remember interacting with someone they now logically should. [[LampshadeHanging Sonic is appropriately confused]].

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* One of the first episodes of ''WesternAnimation/{{Sealab 2021}}'' shows Stormy and Quinn trying to steal cable for Captain Murphy and inadvertently cause a rift that sends them back in time to just before they left Sealab (about 15 minutes). They try to prevent themselves from causing the rift, but past Captain Murphy is convinced they are evil dopplegangers not time travelers, so he has them locked in the brig. When their past-selves cause the rift (again), they experience the same events but somehow the original pair is ''also'' in the brig when they get there. So now there's 3 Stormys and 3 Quinns running around. Since the time difference is only 15 minutes, each successive Stormy and Quinn react in the same way, and since each pair is unable to stop the next pair, the number of Stormies and Quinns keeps growing until the brig is filled with them and they have to start referring to each other by which iteration of the loop they came from (i.e. Quinn 1, Quin 2, "the 7s", etc). Eventually time itself is getting so screwed up that weird alternate versions of them start showing up too (like Quin as [[StarWars [[Franchise/StarWars Jabba and Stormy as his pet]]). The Quinns band together to try and think of a solution, while the Stormys play dodgeball. Ultimately, one of the Stormys reveals that they've been using their communicator watch(es) the whole time (but only with already locked up Stormys). One of the Quinns borrows it to call the version who is out stealing cable and ''finally'' ends the loop by averting the next explosion. Then, [[StatusQuoIsGod instead of using the combined brain power of dozens of genius Quinns to solve major world problems]], Captain Murphy has all the duplicates [[GladiatorGames fight to death in the gym for his amusement.]]
* ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatam'' screws up it's time travel rules quite confusingly. Sonic and Sally try to travel back in time to before Robotnik's coup in order to stop him, but soon discover that this is impossible and they can't change the past, merely [[StableTimeLoop act out or ensure predetermined events]] (Sonic causes Robotnik's arm to be robotized, saves his younger self from getting captured, etc.). However at the last moment Sally attempts to change the fate of her nanny by telling her future information and it works, even though it logically shouldn't have. Even more confusingly, RippleProofMemory RippleEffectProofMemory is in effect, so Sonic and Sally don't remember interacting with someone they now logically should. [[LampshadeHanging Sonic is appropriately confused]].



** A short summary for all the non-Americans who can't see the video: [[spoiler:The Prince and his three attendants, one of whom is named Schlorb, crash land on a planet. Tek Jansen arrives (and to clarify arrives means appear out of nowhere with a time machine) from the future to protect them. Then a second Tek Jansen arrives from further in the future and shoots the first Tek Jansen. Tek explains that in five minutes the first Tek would have eaten a couple of berserker berries, gone insane, and attacked them. He then eats the berries and goes insane. A third Tek Jansen arrives from sometime and shoots the second Tek. He says that Schlorb explained everything to him, but does not remember when. A fourth Tek arrives from the future and sends the third Tek into the past because Schlorb has an important message for him. A fifth Tek accidentally arrives naked with some lady on top of a console. The fourth Tek leaves (and to clarify leaves means disappear with the time machine) with them. A sixth Tek walks on screen with two clean shirts and does not recognize the Prince or his attendants. A seventh Tek arrives and shoots the sixth Tek because one of the shirts had too much starch in it. The seventh Tek is then eaten by a slime monster. An eighth Tek arrives in some sort of armor and asks if he was eaten by the slime monster yet. The kids say yes and Tek leaves frustrated. [[OverlyLongGag A ninth Tek arrives and says that he is pretty sure that he needs to take Schlorb into the past, and proceeds to do so. A battered tenth Tek arrives and warns the kids to stay out of caves, then leaves. An eleventh Tek arrives and says he knows of a great cave that they can camp out in. A twelfth Tek arrives, shoot the eleventh Tek, hands the group an egg beater, tells them to hand it to the next Tek that appears, and leaves. The Prince points out that this is pretty fucked up. A thirteenth Tek arrives fighting a giant egg. Tek grabs the egg beater and leaves, still fighting the egg. A fourteenth Tek arrives and explains that all this time travel has opened a chrono-rift in the space-time continuum. He is going to go fix it, but he wants the kids to do exactly what the next Tek tells them to. He leaves. But then a large group of Teks arrive all pointing in different direction. They proceed to fight each other, and the episode ends on a cliffhanger]]. This all happens in two minutes.]] You got all that?

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** A short summary for all the non-Americans who can't see the video: [[spoiler:The Prince and his three attendants, one of whom is named Schlorb, crash land on a planet. Tek Jansen arrives (and to clarify arrives means appear out of nowhere with a time machine) from the future to protect them. Then a second Tek Jansen arrives from further in the future and shoots the first Tek Jansen. Tek explains that in five minutes the first Tek would have eaten a couple of berserker berries, gone insane, and attacked them. He then eats the berries and goes insane. A third Tek Jansen arrives from sometime and shoots the second Tek. He says that Schlorb explained everything to him, but does not remember when. A fourth Tek arrives from the future and sends the third Tek into the past because Schlorb has an important message for him. A fifth Tek accidentally arrives naked with some lady on top of a console. The fourth Tek leaves (and to clarify leaves means disappear with the time machine) with them. A sixth Tek walks on screen with two clean shirts and does not recognize the Prince or his attendants. A seventh Tek arrives and shoots the sixth Tek because one of the shirts had too much starch in it. The seventh Tek is then eaten by a slime monster. An eighth Tek arrives in some sort of armor and asks if he was eaten by the slime monster yet. The kids say yes and Tek leaves frustrated. [[OverlyLongGag A ninth Tek arrives and says that he is pretty sure that he needs to take Schlorb into the past, and proceeds to do so. A battered tenth Tek arrives and warns the kids to stay out of caves, then leaves. An eleventh Tek arrives and says he knows of a great cave that they can camp out in. A twelfth Tek arrives, shoot the eleventh Tek, hands the group an egg beater, tells them to hand it to the next Tek that appears, and leaves. The Prince points out that this is pretty fucked up. A thirteenth Tek arrives fighting a giant egg. Tek grabs the egg beater and leaves, still fighting the egg. A fourteenth Tek arrives and explains that all this time travel has opened a chrono-rift in the space-time continuum. He is going to go fix it, but he wants the kids to do exactly what the next Tek tells them to. He leaves. But then a large group of Teks arrive all pointing in different direction. They proceed to fight each other, and the episode ends on a cliffhanger]]. This all happens in two minutes.]] minutes]]. You got all that?



** After [[spoiler: Thrust shoots Starscream with the [[{{BFG}} Requiem Blaster]],]] we see a shot of Rad as an eight year old waking up in his parents' car and asking tiredly where the Mini-Cons are (implying his "present" mind was momentarily in his past body). Then cut to all the kids - possibly in an alternate future - being told by a slowly dying Hot Shot that the Transformers have all been eaten by Unicron because they didn't know that [[spoiler: the Mini-Cons were servants of Unicron]] and were led to their doom. After this, cut to the kids now being at the moment of the Mini-Cons' creation millions of years ago [[spoiler: inside Unicron. Rad then touches High Wire's hand and frees him (and by association all the other Mini-Cons) from Unicron's control by reminding them of their past[=/=]future happiness together.]] The Mini-Cons then know to go to Earth after they leave Cybertron to meet Rad and the other humans. Cut back to the humans returning mere moments before [[spoiler: Thrust shoots Starscream, whereupon High Wire and his teammates [[CombiningMecha combine into Perceptor]] and knocks the gun away, causing Thrust to miss Starscream completely.]] And none of this is EVER EXPLAINED.
** The Mini-cons who prevented [[spoiler: Starscream from being blasted]] ''weren't'' taken along with the kids' inexplicable time-jump, and there is no reason for them to have done anything differently in the present. It can't even be due to the kids' actions in the past -- the Mini-cons would ''never have gone to Earth to kick off the events of the series'' if not for the kids, so it's not a case of the "old" High Wire [[spoiler: wanting Starscream to die but the "new" one saving him.]]

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** After [[spoiler: Thrust shoots Starscream with the [[{{BFG}} Requiem Blaster]],]] we see a shot of Rad as an eight year old waking up in his parents' car and asking tiredly where the Mini-Cons are (implying his "present" mind was momentarily in his past body). Then cut to all the kids - possibly in an alternate future - being told by a slowly dying Hot Shot that the Transformers have all been eaten by Unicron because they didn't know that [[spoiler: the Mini-Cons were servants of Unicron]] and were led to their doom. After this, cut to the kids now being at the moment of the Mini-Cons' creation millions of years ago [[spoiler: inside Unicron. Rad then touches High Wire's hand and frees him (and by association all the other Mini-Cons) from Unicron's control by reminding them of their past[=/=]future happiness together.]] The Mini-Cons then know to go to Earth after they leave Cybertron to meet Rad and the other humans. Cut back to the humans returning mere moments before [[spoiler: Thrust shoots Starscream, whereupon High Wire and his teammates [[CombiningMecha combine into Perceptor]] and knocks the gun away, causing Thrust to miss Starscream completely.]] completely]]. And none of this is EVER EXPLAINED.
** The Mini-cons who prevented [[spoiler: Starscream from being blasted]] ''weren't'' taken along with the kids' inexplicable time-jump, and there is no reason for them to have done anything differently in the present. It can't even be due to the kids' actions in the past -- the Mini-cons would ''never have gone to Earth to kick off the events of the series'' if not for the kids, so it's not a case of the "old" High Wire [[spoiler: wanting Starscream to die but the "new" one saving him.]]him]].
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* "Fanfic/BrotherOnBrotherDaughterOnMother" attempts to make some sense out of the trope as it applies to ''Franchise/StarTrek'' (with the obligatory ShoutOut to the TropeNamer) with a variant of the many worlds theory wherein time is actually a ''rope'' made of strands of probabilistic outcomes that can tangle up. The purpose of the TimePolice is to prevent that rope from "fraying" due to major temporal incursions; smaller incidents are usually papered over by the inertia of time itself.


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* ''WesternAnimation/StaticShock'' has a one-shot time-traveling metahuman who briefly teams up with Static and Gear, only to decide her powers are too dangerous, go back in time to before the Big Bang, and steal her past self's bicycle so she couldn't get caught up in it. Would be a classic paradox were it not for the fact that Static and Gear ''still remember the previous version of what happened''. [[LampshadeHanging Upon pointing this out, Gear comments that if you try too hard to figure it out, your head will explode.]]
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