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2nd Jan '16 8:59:54 AM Cieloazul
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* Symbolism with tigers and dragons are common in Asian martial arts, and one Shaolin myth has it that to prove themselves worthy of a black belt, students would have to fight their way through 100 wooden enemies and lift a 500 pound vase blocking the exit of the testing room. The vase was imprinted with a tiger and a dragon, and was hot enough that it would brand the symbols into the chest or shoulders of the student as proof of success.
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* Symbolism with tigers and dragons are common in Asian martial arts, and one Shaolin myth has it that to prove themselves worthy of a black belt, belt-equivalent rank, students would have to fight their way through 100 wooden enemies and lift a 500 pound vase blocking the exit of the testing room. The vase was imprinted with a tiger and a dragon, and was hot enough that it would brand the symbols into the chest or shoulders of the student as proof of success.
12th Dec '15 7:31:38 AM Izuyanai
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Whether it's just competing companies, martial arts, board games, or whatever, the dragon and the tiger will likely be used to represent these similar-but-different forces. The person representing the dragon will usually be wise, tempered, patient, humble, plucky, and/or any other traits usually seen as "laid-back". The person representing the tiger will probably be passionate, driven, enthusiastic, wild, and/or other traits seen as "HotBlooded". The dragon is almost always represented by the protagonist or by another good character if the tiger is represented by an antagonist.
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Whether it's just competing companies, martial arts, board games, or whatever, the dragon and the tiger will likely be used to represent these similar-but-different forces. The person representing the dragon tiger will usually be wise, tempered, patient, humble, plucky, and/or any other traits usually seen as "laid-back". The person representing the tiger dragon will probably be passionate, driven, enthusiastic, wild, and/or other traits seen as "HotBlooded". The dragon is almost always represented by the protagonist or by another good character if the tiger is represented by an antagonist.
12th Dec '15 7:30:11 AM Izuyanai
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Felt that some facts were switched around.
The Chinese have an interesting idiom; "the tiger and the dragon". This refers to two spirits so wildly different and yet at the same time similar, mortal enemies intricately linked together by destiny. Both the Dragon and the Tiger are Buddhist symbols, with the tiger lunging straight ahead to bulldoze through his opponents, while the dragon is revered more for patience and wisdom from which he then derives fighting power. With neither able to conquer the other, these kingly beasts represent a balance of power, "hard" and "soft" styles coming together to form a harmony between [[DragonsUpTheYinYang Yin and Yang]]. They can also be seen as the Dragon representing Spirit/Heaven, and the Tiger representing Matter/Earth. This is why you see lots of Dragon/Tiger tattoos. They're as Eastern as Yin and Yang. Bonus points if they're in the same picture as a Yin and Yang (which isn't Buddhist, per se, but Taoist).
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The Chinese have an interesting idiom; "the tiger and the dragon". This refers to two spirits so wildly different and yet at the same time similar, mortal enemies intricately linked together by destiny. Both the Dragon and the Tiger are Buddhist symbols, with the tiger dragon lunging straight ahead to bulldoze through his opponents, while the dragon tiger is revered more for patience and wisdom from which he then derives fighting power. With neither able to conquer the other, these kingly beasts represent a balance of power, "hard" and "soft" styles coming together to form a harmony between [[DragonsUpTheYinYang Yin and Yang]]. They can also be seen as the Dragon representing Spirit/Heaven, and the Tiger representing Matter/Earth. This is why you see lots of Dragon/Tiger tattoos. They're as Eastern as Yin and Yang. Bonus points if they're in the same picture as a Yin and Yang (which isn't Buddhist, per se, but Taoist).
21st Nov '15 2:12:05 AM RoseUnity
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[[folder: FanFiction ]] * In ''FanFic/PlanetOfTheCats'' it's a motif commonly used symbolically between the two sides (Humans being Dragons and Catians being Tigers, of course). [[/folder]]
31st Oct '15 10:57:28 AM MarkLungo
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20th Sep '15 9:21:46 AM MyFinalEdits
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Examples Are Not Arguable, and it goes without saying that the trope must be consciously addressed in the work
* Possibly unintentional, but in ''RockyIV'', Rocky, previously represented by the song "Eye of the '''Tiger'''", faces Ivan '''Drago'''. ** What's even stranger is that those roles are reversed in their fighting styles: Drago is hailed for his raw power and Rocky for his toughness. * The ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda'' series' ShipTease with Master Po the Dragon Warrior and Master Tigress feels even more appropriate with this Chinese symbology in mind. ** And of course there's Po, at the end the calm, collected Dragon Warrior, against Tai Lung, the brutal, aggressive Snow Leopard. Neither of them are EXACTLY Dragon or Tiger, but they're both close enough.
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* Possibly unintentional, but in In ''RockyIV'', Rocky, previously represented by the song "Eye of the '''Tiger'''", faces Ivan '''Drago'''. ** '''Drago'''. What's even stranger is that those roles are reversed in their fighting styles: Drago is hailed for his raw power and Rocky for his toughness. * The ''WesternAnimation/KungFuPanda'' series' ShipTease with Master Po the Dragon Warrior and Master Tigress feels even more appropriate with this Chinese symbology in mind. ** And of course there's mind. There's also Po, at the end the calm, collected Dragon Warrior, against Tai Lung, the brutal, aggressive Snow Leopard. Neither of them are EXACTLY Dragon or Tiger, but they're both close enough.

* Creator/JohnBrunner's ''Literature/{{Telepathist}}'' has Howson, the therapeutic telepath, entering the absurdly detailed Oriental fantasy dream-state of a catatonic patient. After a series of events, he brings the patient out of the fugue by naming Tiger City as the tiger, and his sword, which had slain a dragon, as the dragon. Both objects then turn into their respective animals and fight. Howson wins because "the tiger is the second strongest animal", and the other man wakes up. [[spoiler:Subverted, as the patient was also a telepath -- he'd put such blatant [[WeaksauceWeakness weaknesses]] in it because he'd created the fantasy as a sort of ''holiday'', and wanted to be brought out of it easily.]] ** [[spoiler: In at least one version of the book, printed under the title ''The Whole Man'', the catatonic telepath is caught completely by surprise. He'd set up [[MagicAIsMagicA the laws of magic]] in his fantasy so that the above fight was possible with minimal {{Inception}}-style "cheating" on Howson's part, but he'd expected the people on the outside to send a less experienced therapeutic telepath, who would screw up and get noticed, at which point the catatonic guy would wake up on his own.]]
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* Creator/JohnBrunner's ''Literature/{{Telepathist}}'' has Howson, the therapeutic telepath, entering the absurdly detailed Oriental fantasy dream-state of a catatonic patient. After a series of events, he brings the patient out of the fugue by naming Tiger City as the tiger, and his sword, which had slain a dragon, as the dragon. Both objects then turn into their respective animals and fight. Howson wins because "the tiger is the second strongest animal", and the other man wakes up. [[spoiler:Subverted, as the patient was also a telepath -- he'd put such blatant [[WeaksauceWeakness weaknesses]] in it because he'd created the fantasy as a sort of ''holiday'', and wanted to be brought out of it easily.]] ** [[spoiler: In at least one version of the book, printed under the title ''The Whole Man'', the catatonic telepath is caught completely by surprise. He'd set up [[MagicAIsMagicA the laws of magic]] in his fantasy so that the above fight was possible with minimal {{Inception}}-style ''Film/{{Inception}}''-style "cheating" on Howson's part, but he'd expected the people on the outside to send a less experienced therapeutic telepath, who would screw up and get noticed, at which point the catatonic guy would wake up on his own.]]

** Perhaps a better case can be made for Ryuki's and Tiger's [[Series/KamenRiderDragonKnight Western counterparts]], Dragon Knight and Axe. Dragon Knight's main priority in the series is helping his father; while Axe is out to avenge his brother (Kamen Rider Spear, whom Dragon Knight [[FateWorseThanDeath "vented"]]).

** In an unintentional case, ''Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers'' has Tommy Oliver, who goes from the evil-but-redeemed dragon-based Green Ranger (based on ''Series/KyoryuSentaiZyuranger'' footage) to the heroic tiger-based White Ranger (from the above-mentioned ''Dairanger''). The Green Ranger powers were somehow revived via EvilTwin in a second-season two-parter, leading to a Green vs. White battle before being sealed away for good.

* In ''Franchise/AceAttorney'', Phoenix Wright finds himself at particular odds with Furio Tigre. This becomes far more relevant in the Japanese version, where Phoenix Wright and his Japanese name ("Ryuuichi Naruhodo") represent the dragon rather than a phoenix. ** If you look closely, you'll notice Tigre's shirt features a tiger chomping on a dragon's neck. * In ''VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou'' Mitsuki Konishi's noise form is a tiger, Megumi Kitaniji's is a dragon. [[spoiler:Konishi plans to usurp Kitaniji as Conductor, or Composer, even.]] ** Also, the brands Tigre Punks and Dragon Couture. The former is all about grunge and grittiness while the latter is more stylized, lofty and Eastern.
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* In ''Franchise/AceAttorney'', Phoenix Wright finds himself at particular odds with Furio Tigre. This becomes far more relevant in the Japanese version, where Phoenix Wright and his Japanese name ("Ryuuichi Naruhodo") represent the dragon rather than a phoenix. ** phoenix. If you look closely, you'll notice Tigre's shirt features a tiger chomping on a dragon's neck. * In ''VideoGame/TheWorldEndsWithYou'' Mitsuki Konishi's noise form is a tiger, Megumi Kitaniji's is a dragon. [[spoiler:Konishi plans to usurp Kitaniji as Conductor, or Composer, even.]] ** ]] Also, the brands Tigre Punks and Dragon Couture. The former is all about grunge and grittiness while the latter is more stylized, lofty and Eastern.

* Very subtle, but in a ''[[WesternAnimation/{{Animaniacs}} Chicken Boo]]'' sketch. Chicken Boo was a in a karate tournament. He was [[PaperThinDisguise disguised]] as "Moo Goo Gai Boo" from the ''Dragon'' Dojo, up against Gwai Yan Kee from the ''Tiger'' Dojo. The sensei even references the mythology: "The boastful tiger will yield to the serene whisper of the dragon". ** Also a BilingualBonus: "Moo Goo Gai" is a Cantonese dish with chicken, so it ends up meaning [[MeaningfulName "Chicken Boo"]] in Cantonese. "Gwai Yan Kee" [[AsLongAsItSoundsForeign means nothing]]. It just means "white yankee" (technically, "ghost yankee") in Cantonese, which could be a statement about "black belt" mills frequently being run by white guys with no real training. This is also strange because Cantonese don't fight with karate (Karate is Japanese); they fight with a style of kung fu called ''hakka kuen'' (which is where all those "Dragon style", "Mantis style", "Crane style", et al come from). Then again, it ''is'' Animaniacs we're talking about, [[RuleOfFunny so it's not like we should be expecting total accuracy]].
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* Very subtle, but in a ''[[WesternAnimation/{{Animaniacs}} Chicken Boo]]'' sketch. Chicken Boo was a in a karate tournament. He was [[PaperThinDisguise disguised]] as "Moo Goo Gai Boo" from the ''Dragon'' Dojo, up against Gwai Yan Kee from the ''Tiger'' Dojo. The sensei even references the mythology: "The boastful tiger will yield to the serene whisper of the dragon". ** Also a BilingualBonus: dragon". "Moo Goo Gai" is a Cantonese dish with chicken, so it ends up meaning [[MeaningfulName "Chicken Boo"]] in Cantonese. "Gwai Yan Kee" [[AsLongAsItSoundsForeign means nothing]]. It just means "white yankee" (technically, "ghost yankee") in Cantonese, which could be a statement about "black belt" mills frequently being run by white guys with no real training. This is also strange because Cantonese don't fight with karate (Karate is Japanese); they fight with a style of kung fu called ''hakka kuen'' (which is where all those "Dragon style", "Mantis style", "Crane style", et al come from). Then again, it ''is'' Animaniacs we're talking about, [[RuleOfFunny so it's not like we should be expecting total accuracy]].
20th Sep '15 6:57:37 AM LentilSandEater
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* ''Film/CrouchingTigerHiddenDragon'', though InNameOnly.
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* ''Film/CrouchingTigerHiddenDragon'', though InNameOnly.''Film/CrouchingTigerHiddenDragon'': ** WordOfGod suggests that the title is intended to refer to the obvious threat of Jade Fox (the 'crouching tiger') and the secret but far more significant threat of [[spoiler:Jen]] (the 'hidden dragon').

** WordOfGod suggests that the title is intended to refer to the obvious threat of Jade Fox (the 'crouching tiger') and the secret but far more significant threat of [[spoiler:Jen]] (the 'hidden dragon').
16th Sep '15 8:20:10 PM ultimomant
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* The ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' episode between the [[Series/MightyMorphingPowerRangers Tigerzord]] and the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Gundam Epyon]] evokes this trope, with the HotBlooded teenager Tommy piloting the Tigerzord and the experienced war veteran Zechs piloting the draconic Gundam Epyon.
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* The ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' episode between the [[Series/MightyMorphingPowerRangers [[Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers Tigerzord]] and the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Gundam Epyon]] evokes this trope, with the HotBlooded teenager Tommy piloting the Tigerzord and the experienced war veteran Zechs piloting the draconic Gundam Epyon.
16th Sep '15 8:18:18 PM ultimomant
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* ''Anime/YuGiOhZexal'' had taken the aforementioned Tiger Dragon and made a baby version of it, Baby Tiragon.
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* ''Anime/YuGiOhZexal'' ''Anime/YuGiOhZEXAL'' had taken the aforementioned Tiger Dragon and made a baby version of it, Baby Tiragon.
22nd Aug '15 9:15:16 PM nombretomado
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* The ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' episode between the [[Series/MightyMorphingPowerRangers Tigerzord]] and the [[Anime/GundamWing Gundam Epyon]] evokes this trope, with the HotBlooded teenager Tommy piloting the Tigerzord and the experienced war veteran Zechs piloting the draconic Gundam Epyon.
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* The ''WebAnimation/DeathBattle'' episode between the [[Series/MightyMorphingPowerRangers Tigerzord]] and the [[Anime/GundamWing [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing Gundam Epyon]] evokes this trope, with the HotBlooded teenager Tommy piloting the Tigerzord and the experienced war veteran Zechs piloting the draconic Gundam Epyon.
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