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18th Sep '16 7:23:59 PM GoblinCipher
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* [[PapaWolf Michael]], good Christian paladin type in ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' forgives and gives another chance to anyone and anything, even the odd EldritchAbomination here and there. But, in the short story "The Warrior," when a WellIntentionedExtremist priest kidnaps one of his daughters (knocking her unconscious in the process), ''ties her up in det-cord'' (explosive-stuffed rubber tubing) and rigs her with an electronic detonator -- and ''then'' insists that a WalkingTechbane wizard, whose very presence could have caused a malfunction in the detonator and set off the cord, be the one to release the girl -- ''all bets are off''.

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* [[PapaWolf Michael]], good Christian paladin type in ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'', forgives and gives another chance to anyone and anything, even the odd EldritchAbomination here and there.EldritchAbomination. But, in the short story "The Warrior," when a WellIntentionedExtremist priest kidnaps one of his daughters (knocking her unconscious in the process), ''ties her up in det-cord'' (explosive-stuffed rubber tubing) and rigs her with an electronic detonator -- and ''then'' insists that a WalkingTechbane wizard, whose very presence could have caused a malfunction in the detonator and set off the cord, be the one to release the girl -- ''all bets are off''.
18th Sep '16 7:20:27 PM GoblinCipher
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To the western ear, it seems quite [[{{Narm}} anti-climactic and quaint,]] [[ValuesDissonance but to the Japanese, this is ]]''[[ValuesDissonance serious business.]]'' It is the Challenge, and it is rarely defeated. Specifically, it has to do with a notion in the Japanese culture of narrowing possibilities; if the subject can't be forgiven for a transgression, then the only ''other'' option is that [[DisproportionateRetribution he's about to get his head ripped off or otherwise punished in a severe fashion]].[[note]]The act, being a form of DisproportionateRetribution might cause the person committing it to [[HeWhoFightsMonsters become the same person as the victim in terms of morality]].[[/note]] It also has to do with the fact that in Japanese culture, being able to both ask for forgiveness and accept it are considered a virtue, therefore refusing to accept their forgiveness holds a lot more weight. And the person who can't forgive ''won't'' give this up. Most of this has to do with Japan's brutal code of {{honor|BeforeReason}} dating back to the Medieval times. Back in the era of the {{samurai}} and the like, this had even more teeth, since the person who made this challenge very likely ''would'' chase you to the ends of the earth for revenge, [[RevengeBeforeReason even if it's detrimental]]. Basically, it's only said to someone who (in the speaker's opinion) has crossed the MoralEventHorizon, but also entails a burden: the speaker is ''so'' offended that a RoaringRampageOfRevenge is the ''only'' option. Obviously, it can overlap with PreAsskickingOneLiner, so expect serious butt-kicking in the following RightMakesMight fight.

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To the western ear, it seems quite [[{{Narm}} anti-climactic and quaint,]] [[ValuesDissonance but to the Japanese, this is ]]''[[ValuesDissonance serious business.]]'' It is the Challenge, and it is rarely defeated. Specifically, it has to do with a notion in the Japanese culture of narrowing possibilities; if the subject can't be forgiven for a transgression, then the only ''other'' option is that [[DisproportionateRetribution he's about to get his head ripped off or otherwise punished in a severe fashion]].[[note]]The act, being a form of DisproportionateRetribution might cause the person committing it to [[HeWhoFightsMonsters become the same person as the victim in terms of morality]].[[/note]] It also has to do with the fact that in Japanese culture, being able to both ask for forgiveness and accept it are considered a virtue, therefore refusing to accept their forgiveness holds a lot more weight. And the person who can't forgive ''won't'' give this up. Most of this has to do with Japan's brutal code of {{honor|BeforeReason}} dating back to the Medieval times. Back in the era of the {{samurai}} and the like, this had even more teeth, since the person who made this challenge very likely ''would'' chase you to the ends of the earth for revenge, [[RevengeBeforeReason even if it's detrimental]]. Basically, it's only said to someone who (in the speaker's opinion) has crossed the MoralEventHorizon, but also entails a burden: the speaker is ''so'' offended that a RoaringRampageOfRevenge UnstoppableRage is the ''only'' option. Obviously, it can overlap with PreAsskickingOneLiner, so expect serious butt-kicking in the following RightMakesMight fight.
12th Sep '16 11:04:25 AM WillKeaton
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Someone might be [[NiceGuy the kindest, most laid-back person in the world]], but sometimes even they get [[BerserkButton pushed too far]]. Then they say ''"This is unforgivable!"''[[note]]''"Yurusenai!"'' or ''"Yurusanai!"'' in Japanese[[/note]], and the audience knows that an asskicking of epic proportions is about to start.

To the western ear, it seems quite [[{{Narm}} anti-climactic and quaint,]] [[ValuesDissonance but to the Japanese, this is ]]''[[ValuesDissonance serious business.]]'' It is the Challenge, and it is rarely defeated. Specifically, it has to do with a notion in the Japanese culture of narrowing possibilities; if the subject can't be forgiven for a transgression, then the only ''other'' option is that [[DisproportionateRetribution he's about to get his head ripped off or otherwise punished in a severe fashion]][[note]]The act, being a form of DisproportionateRetribution might cause the person committing it to [[HeWhoFightsMonsters become the same person as the victim in terms of morality]].[[/note]]. It also has to do with the fact that in Japanese culture, being able to both ask for forgiveness and accept it are considered a virtue, therefore refusing to accept their forgiveness holds a lot more weight. And the person who can't forgive ''won't'' give this up. Most of this has to do with Japan's brutal code of {{honor|BeforeReason}} dating back to the Medieval times. Back in the era of the {{samurai}} and the like, this had even more teeth, since the person who made this challenge very likely ''would'' chase you to the ends of the earth for revenge, [[RevengeBeforeReason even if it's detrimental]]. Basically, it's only said to someone who (in the speaker's opinion) has crossed the MoralEventHorizon, but also entails a burden: the speaker is ''so'' offended that a RoaringRampageOfRevenge is the ''only'' option. Obviously, it can overlap with PreAsskickingOneLiner, so expect serious butt-kicking in the following RightMakesMight fight.

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Someone might be [[NiceGuy the kindest, most laid-back person in the world]], but sometimes even they get get, [[BerserkButton pushed too far]]. Then they say ''"This is unforgivable!"''[[note]]''"Yurusenai!"'' or ''"Yurusanai!"'' in Japanese[[/note]], Japanese,[[/note]] and the audience knows that an asskicking of epic proportions is about to start.

To the western ear, it seems quite [[{{Narm}} anti-climactic and quaint,]] [[ValuesDissonance but to the Japanese, this is ]]''[[ValuesDissonance serious business.]]'' It is the Challenge, and it is rarely defeated. Specifically, it has to do with a notion in the Japanese culture of narrowing possibilities; if the subject can't be forgiven for a transgression, then the only ''other'' option is that [[DisproportionateRetribution he's about to get his head ripped off or otherwise punished in a severe fashion]][[note]]The fashion]].[[note]]The act, being a form of DisproportionateRetribution might cause the person committing it to [[HeWhoFightsMonsters become the same person as the victim in terms of morality]].[[/note]]. [[/note]] It also has to do with the fact that in Japanese culture, being able to both ask for forgiveness and accept it are considered a virtue, therefore refusing to accept their forgiveness holds a lot more weight. And the person who can't forgive ''won't'' give this up. Most of this has to do with Japan's brutal code of {{honor|BeforeReason}} dating back to the Medieval times. Back in the era of the {{samurai}} and the like, this had even more teeth, since the person who made this challenge very likely ''would'' chase you to the ends of the earth for revenge, [[RevengeBeforeReason even if it's detrimental]]. Basically, it's only said to someone who (in the speaker's opinion) has crossed the MoralEventHorizon, but also entails a burden: the speaker is ''so'' offended that a RoaringRampageOfRevenge is the ''only'' option. Obviously, it can overlap with PreAsskickingOneLiner, so expect serious butt-kicking in the following RightMakesMight fight.
4th Sep '16 7:05:55 AM CatelynTsukino
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** Also in ''Anime/DigimonAdventure'', a similar is what [[spoiler:activates Mimi's crest and makes Togemon evolve to Lilimon]]. In the original dub, at least.
24th Aug '16 1:26:32 AM Dravencour
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* Subverted in ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry 4'', wherein Credo utters this to Sanctus, who blatantly used Credo's sister as bait in his plans and thus the one thing that shook Credo's loyalty to the Order. The kicker? [[spoiler:He said it ''after'' Sanctus fatally wounded him, and got his ass further kicked for his trouble]].

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* Subverted in ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry 4'', wherein Credo utters this to Sanctus, [[BigBad Sanctus]], who blatantly used Credo's sister as bait in his plans and thus the one thing that shook Credo's loyalty to the Order. The kicker? [[spoiler:He said it ''after'' Sanctus fatally wounded him, and got his ass further kicked for his trouble]].
14th Aug '16 10:04:05 AM nombretomado
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* Played straight several times in ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'', but [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] when the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI Warrior of Light]] confronts [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]].

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* Played straight several times in ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'', ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'', but [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] when the [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyI Warrior of Light]] confronts [[VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]].
13th Aug '16 12:05:22 PM nombretomado
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* In ''DGrayMan'', someone once managed to get [[AllLovingHero Allen]] angry enough to say this. EPIC asskicking ensued, but even so he was rather hopelessly outnumbered, and it took [[spoiler:some timely assistance from the generals]] to take out all the {{mooks}}. [[spoiler:Then things went downhill...]]
** Also, occurs in episode 56 from Allen to Tyki.

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* In ''DGrayMan'', someone ''Manga/DGrayMan'':
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once managed to get [[AllLovingHero Allen]] angry enough to say this. EPIC asskicking ensued, but even so he was rather hopelessly outnumbered, and it took [[spoiler:some timely assistance from the generals]] to take out all the {{mooks}}. [[spoiler:Then things went downhill...]]
** Also, occurs Occurs in episode 56 from Allen to Tyki.
3rd Aug '16 11:06:12 PM WillBGood
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->'''Jonathan:''' ''[enraged]'' N-nani wo surunda!? ''YURUSAN!!''

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->'''Jonathan:''' -->'''Jonathan:''' ''[enraged]'' N-nani wo surunda!? ''YURUSAN!!''
30th Jul '16 2:55:34 AM Morgenthaler
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* In Episode 13 of ''GIJoeSigma6'', after having heavily damaged his ability to assume battle mode by blowing up his Power Stone in front of him, Duke battles it out with COBRA Commander in a one-on-one duel without weapons to have him prove how tough he is. After taking a few blows from the villain, he shouts out, "I've had it with you!" before fighting back and besting him with some more punches.

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* In Episode 13 of ''GIJoeSigma6'', ''WesternAnimation/GIJoeSigma6'', after having heavily damaged his ability to assume battle mode by blowing up his Power Stone in front of him, Duke battles it out with COBRA Commander in a one-on-one duel without weapons to have him prove how tough he is. After taking a few blows from the villain, he shouts out, "I've had it with you!" before fighting back and besting him with some more punches.
24th Jul '16 5:39:40 PM nombretomado
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* When Chrono and Rosette discover Aion's plan in ''ChronoCrusade'' (right after [[spoiler:destroying much of New York City in the process of executing it]]), they fly into a rage and shout "Aion, we will never forgive you!"

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* When Chrono and Rosette discover Aion's plan in ''ChronoCrusade'' ''Manga/ChronoCrusade'' (right after [[spoiler:destroying much of New York City in the process of executing it]]), they fly into a rage and shout "Aion, we will never forgive you!"
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