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12th Mar '17 5:10:21 PM superkeijikun
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* In the ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'' DLC ''Nuka-World'', you can lead a gang of raiders and take over settlements for them. When you talk to Preston Garvey after taking over a settlement, though, he'll proclaim that any kind of friendship you two once had is gone.
-->'''Preston Garvey''': You've crossed the line, General! There are some things I can't forgive!
11th Mar '17 11:08:27 AM nombretomado
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* In the first season of ''MermaidMelodyPichiPichiPitch'', [[MagicIdolSinger the heroines]] say this most of (if not all) the time to their enemies (be it the Dark Lovers or the Black Beauty Sisters) for whatever it is that they did that terrorized the seas or the people, be it making a theme park only to destroy it, chase down a boy who assaulted them with a water hose and retaliate by attacking, or even planning to force-feed chocolates to girls (which would turn the Mermaid Princesses to mermaid form).

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* In the first season of ''MermaidMelodyPichiPichiPitch'', ''Anime/MermaidMelodyPichiPichiPitch'', [[MagicIdolSinger the heroines]] say this most of (if not all) the time to their enemies (be it the Dark Lovers or the Black Beauty Sisters) for whatever it is that they did that terrorized the seas or the people, be it making a theme park only to destroy it, chase down a boy who assaulted them with a water hose and retaliate by attacking, or even planning to force-feed chocolates to girls (which would turn the Mermaid Princesses to mermaid form).
7th Mar '17 5:38:38 PM nombretomado
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* Western animation equivalent: WesternAnimation/BugsBunny's declaration, "Of course you realize, ThisMeansWar!" heard (as per Chuck Jones) when the happy-go-lucky wabbit is finally pushed to the wall. Cue asskicking, etc. [[MarxBrothers Groucho Marx]] [[OlderThanTheyThink said it first]].

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* Western animation equivalent: WesternAnimation/BugsBunny's declaration, "Of course you realize, ThisMeansWar!" heard (as per Chuck Jones) when the happy-go-lucky wabbit is finally pushed to the wall. Cue asskicking, etc. [[MarxBrothers [[Creator/MarxBrothers Groucho Marx]] [[OlderThanTheyThink said it first]].
1st Mar '17 8:47:50 PM Nakayama90
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To the western ear, it seems quite [[{{Narm}} anti-climactic and quaint,]] [[ValuesDissonance but to the Japanese, this is ]]''[[ValuesDissonance serious business.]]'' It is the Challenge, and it is rarely defeated. Specifically, it has to do with a notion in the Japanese culture of narrowing possibilities; if the subject can't be forgiven for a transgression, then the only ''other'' option is that [[DisproportionateRetribution he's about to get his head ripped off or otherwise punished in a severe fashion]].[[note]]The act, being a form of DisproportionateRetribution might cause the person committing it to [[HeWhoFightsMonsters become the same person as the victim in terms of morality]].[[/note]] It also has to do with the fact that in Japanese culture, being able to both ask for forgiveness and accept it are considered a virtue, therefore refusing to accept their forgiveness holds a lot more weight. And the person who can't forgive ''won't'' give this up. Most of this has to do with Japan's brutal code of {{honor|BeforeReason}} dating back to the Medieval times. Back in the era of the {{samurai}} and the like, this had even more teeth, since the person who made this challenge very likely ''would'' chase you to the ends of the earth for revenge, [[RevengeBeforeReason even if it's detrimental]]. Basically, it's only said to someone who (in the speaker's opinion) has crossed the MoralEventHorizon, but also entails a burden: the speaker is ''so'' offended that UnstoppableRage is the ''only'' option. Obviously, it can overlap with PreAsskickingOneLiner, so expect serious butt-kicking in the following RightMakesMight fight.

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To the western ear, it seems quite [[{{Narm}} anti-climactic and quaint,]] [[ValuesDissonance but to the Japanese, this is ]]''[[ValuesDissonance serious business.]]'' ]]''SeriousBusiness.'' It is the Challenge, and it is rarely defeated. Specifically, it has to do with a notion in the Japanese culture of narrowing possibilities; if the subject can't be forgiven for a transgression, then the only ''other'' option is that [[DisproportionateRetribution he's about to get his head ripped off or otherwise punished in a severe fashion]].[[note]]The act, being a form of DisproportionateRetribution might cause the person committing it to [[HeWhoFightsMonsters become the same person as the victim in terms of morality]].[[/note]] It also has to do with the fact that in Japanese culture, being able to both ask for forgiveness and accept it are considered a virtue, therefore refusing to accept their forgiveness holds a lot more weight. And the person who can't forgive ''won't'' give this up. Most of this has to do with Japan's brutal code of {{honor|BeforeReason}} dating back to the Medieval times. Back in the era of the {{samurai}} and the like, this had even more teeth, since the person who made this challenge very likely ''would'' chase you to the ends of the earth for revenge, [[RevengeBeforeReason even if it's detrimental]]. Basically, it's only said to someone who (in the speaker's opinion) has crossed the MoralEventHorizon, but also entails a burden: the speaker is ''so'' offended that UnstoppableRage is the ''only'' option. Obviously, it can overlap with PreAsskickingOneLiner, so expect serious butt-kicking in the following RightMakesMight fight.
18th Feb '17 8:04:06 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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*** Happens so often in the original manga its practically Yami's catchphrase. What's especially hilarious is when he does it several ties to the same person.

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*** Happens so often in the original manga its practically Yami's catchphrase. What's especially hilarious is when he does it several ties times to the same person.
23rd Jan '17 7:47:14 AM Gaby007
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* To the Straw Hat Pirates - Luffy most of all - dreams are SeriousBusiness. So when they are confronted to the Nightmares in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7387687/18/Asteria-Nightmare Asteria Nightmare]]'' - a EldritchAbomination race feeding on dreams while leaving their prey a soulless husk - they immediately go on the warpath. An irate Luffy even declares he will ''kill'' the Nightmare Queen for daring to think it could steal his crewmates' ambitions, ''and he does''.
21st Jan '17 5:35:58 PM harotype
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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' has Kira Yamato and Athrun Zala go through this with each other, appropriately named the Cycle of Hate, when they kill each other's respective friend in battle. [[spoiler:The cycle only breaks when Athrun seemingly kills Kira himself. Kira actually survives and is nursed back to health by Lacus, Athrun's ex-fianceé. Ultimately subverted because as time passes, the complicating politics of the situation make each realize there are bigger things to worry about. They, Lacus, and Cagali actually end up uniting [[MeleeATrois on a third front]].]]

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* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' has Kira Yamato and Athrun Zala go through this with each other, appropriately named the Cycle of Hate, when they kill each other's respective friend in battle. [[spoiler:The cycle only breaks when Athrun seemingly kills Kira himself. Kira actually survives and is nursed back to health by Lacus, Athrun's ex-fianceé. Ultimately subverted because as time passes, the complicating politics of the situation make each realize there are bigger things to worry about. They, Lacus, and Cagali actually end up uniting [[MeleeATrois [[TakeAThirdOption on a third front]].]]]]
** [[SilkHidingSteel Lacus herself]] notably threatens this early on in a {{Foreshadowing}} moment for both her and the enigmatic ZAFT Commander [[ManInWhite Rau Le Creuset]]. He internally questions her timing at pulling this out, but says "I understand", and backs down.
18th Jan '17 12:57:02 PM FringeBenefits
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* In ''{{Tasakeru}}'', Zero says this [[spoiler: after N'Ktane pulls an incredibly cruel sneak attack in Book IV.]] As he's a former {{Samurai}}, the usage is deliberate.

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* In ''{{Tasakeru}}'', ''{{Literature/Tasakeru}}'', Zero says this [[spoiler: after N'Ktane pulls an incredibly cruel sneak attack in Book IV.]] As he's a former {{Samurai}}, the usage is deliberate.
31st Dec '16 8:57:02 PM nombretomado
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* Subverted in the ''FruitsBasket'' manga. Kyo thinks that [[spoiler:Tohru's mother]] said this to him [[spoiler: as she was dying after her fatal accident, and that she died hating him for not saving her]]. However, a flashback near the end of the series reveals that what she was trying to say was "If you don't pay your bill, I won't forgive you," an effort to remind him of [[spoiler:the promise he made to look out for Tohru]].

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* Subverted in the ''FruitsBasket'' ''Manga/FruitsBasket'' manga. Kyo thinks that [[spoiler:Tohru's mother]] said this to him [[spoiler: as she was dying after her fatal accident, and that she died hating him for not saving her]]. However, a flashback near the end of the series reveals that what she was trying to say was "If you don't pay your bill, I won't forgive you," an effort to remind him of [[spoiler:the promise he made to look out for Tohru]].
16th Dec '16 2:39:05 PM Adam43
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* Towards the end of ''Anime/Pokemon'' ''Black and White'' Season 1, after [[spoiler: Meowth betrays Ash and the group, Pikachu becomes extremely furious with Meowth for even doing it, and decided that the final straw. He freed the group's Pokemon to assist in the escape, and when Team Rocket retreats, Pikachu has to be held back by Ash.]]

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* Towards the end of ''Anime/Pokemon'' ''Black ''Pokémon Black and White'' Season 1, after [[spoiler: Meowth betrays Ash and the group, Pikachu becomes extremely furious with Meowth for even doing it, and decided that the final straw. He freed the group's Pokemon to assist in the escape, and when Team Rocket retreats, Pikachu has to be held back by Ash.]]
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