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26th Apr '16 11:11:16 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* In the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' books, the three curses ''[[AgonyBeam Crucio]]'', ''[[HypnoRay Imperio]]'', and ''[[OneHitKill Avada Kedavra]]'' are deemed "Unforgivable," and anyone who gets caught using them automatically gets a life sentence in [[HellholePrison Azkaban]].
16th Mar '16 7:00:56 AM Sapphirea2
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** In "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E10FaceTheRaven Face the Raven]]", the immortal Ashildr is involved in a plot that results in the unexpected [[spoiler: death of the Doctor's companion, Clara]]. The Doctor threatens Ashildr, "I will '''end you''' and everything you love" before Clara talks him down. After the deed is done, the Doctor makes it clear to Ashildr that forgiveness is not on the table. In the SeasonFinale "Hell Bent" two episodes later, in which the Doctor has become a DrivenToMadness WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in the wake of said disaster and a stint in a torture chamber, their paths cross again, and [[spoiler: while he doesn't forgive her onscreen, he does allow her to follow him into the TARDIS rather than leave her to die at the end of time]]. The same episode suggests that with regards to the Last Great Time War ''and'' their role in the aforementioned plot, he sees [[spoiler: Rassilon and his underlings on the High Council]] as unworthy of his forgiveness, and [[spoiler: exiles them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them]].

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** In "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E10FaceTheRaven Face the Raven]]", the immortal Ashildr is involved in a plot that results in the unexpected [[spoiler: death of the Doctor's companion, Clara]]. The Doctor threatens Ashildr, "I will '''end you''' and everything you love" before Clara talks him down. After the deed is done, the Doctor makes it clear to Ashildr that forgiveness is not on the table. In the SeasonFinale "Hell Bent" two episodes later, in which the Doctor has become a DrivenToMadness WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in the wake of said disaster and a stint in a torture chamber, their paths cross again, and [[spoiler: while he doesn't forgive her onscreen, he does allow her to follow him into the second TARDIS rather than leave her to die at the end of time]]. The same episode suggests that with regards to the Last Great Time War ''and'' their her collaborators' role in the aforementioned plot, plot AND their work as architects of [[spoiler: the Last Great Time War]], he sees [[spoiler: Rassilon and his underlings on the High Council]] as unworthy of his forgiveness, and [[spoiler: exiles them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them]].them]]. Keep in mind that this particular Doctor, the Twelfth, is one of the '''''most forgiving''''' incarnations. His unwillingness to forgive Ashildr is personal: He's the one who saved her from death's door in a way that made her functionally immortal to begin with and, as centuries passed, believed in her goodness even when she did not and worked to protect her -- and she chose to betray him (and hurt others as the hanging judge mayor of the trap street) for all that. As for her collaborators, [[spoiler: they '''were''' partially responsible for the worst war the universe ever saw, one '''he''' brought to an end for them...and look how they repaid him, all out of fear of a prophecy]], and they are '''not''' the sort of people likely to atone and apologize anyway.
16th Mar '16 6:52:27 AM Sapphirea2
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** In "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E10FaceTheRaven Face the Raven]]", the immortal Ashildr is involved in a plot that results in the unexpected [[spoiler: death of the Doctor's companion, Clara]]. The Doctor threatens Ashildr, "I will '''end you''' and everything you love" before Clara talks him down. After the deed is done, the Doctor makes it clear to Ashildr that forgiveness is not on the table.

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** In "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E10FaceTheRaven Face the Raven]]", the immortal Ashildr is involved in a plot that results in the unexpected [[spoiler: death of the Doctor's companion, Clara]]. The Doctor threatens Ashildr, "I will '''end you''' and everything you love" before Clara talks him down. After the deed is done, the Doctor makes it clear to Ashildr that forgiveness is not on the table. In the SeasonFinale "Hell Bent" two episodes later, in which the Doctor has become a DrivenToMadness WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in the wake of said disaster and a stint in a torture chamber, their paths cross again, and [[spoiler: while he doesn't forgive her onscreen, he does allow her to follow him into the TARDIS rather than leave her to die at the end of time]]. The same episode suggests that with regards to the Last Great Time War ''and'' their role in the aforementioned plot, he sees [[spoiler: Rassilon and his underlings on the High Council]] as unworthy of his forgiveness, and [[spoiler: exiles them from Gallifrey after bloodlessly overthrowing them]].
15th Mar '16 7:30:44 AM kyojikasshu
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* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': In "[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS04E01E02TheWayOfTheWarrior The Way of the Warrior]]", Worf convinces Chancellor Gowron to stand his forces down, as an all-out war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire is exactly what the Dominion wants. Gowron withdraws his forces, but leaves with this warning for Sisko (and Worf):
--> '''Gowron''': You have sided against us in battle, and this we do not forgive... or forget!
14th Mar '16 10:58:57 PM skidoo23
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** In "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E10FaceTheRaven Face the Raven]]", the immortal Ashildr is involved in a plot that results in the unexpected [[spoiler: death of the Doctor's companion, Clara]]. The Doctor threatens Ashildr, "I will '''end you''' and everything you love" before Clara talks him down. After the deed is done, the Doctor makes it clear to Ashildr that forgiveness is not on the table.
2nd Mar '16 1:18:15 PM MorphinBrony
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To the western ear, it seems quite [[{{Narm}} anti-climactic and quaint,]] [[ValuesDissonance but to the Japanese, this is ]]''[[ValuesDissonance serious]]'' [[ValuesDissonance business.]] It is the Challenge, and it is rarely defeated. Specifically, it has to do with a notion in the Japanese culture of narrowing possibilities; if the subject can't be forgiven for a transgression, then the only ''other'' option is that [[DisproportionateRetribution he's about to get his head ripped off or otherwise punished in a severe fashion]][[note]]The act, being a form of DisproportionateRetribution might cause the person committing it to [[HeWhoFightsMonsters become the same person as the victim in terms of morality]].[[/note]]. It also has to do with the fact that in Japanese culture, being able to both ask for forgiveness and accept it are considered a virtue, therefore refusing to accept their forgiveness holds a lot more weight. And the person who can't forgive ''won't'' give this up. Most of this has to do with Japan's brutal code of {{honor|BeforeReason}} dating back to the Medieval times. Back in the era of the {{samurai}} and the like, this had even more teeth, since the person who made this challenge very likely ''would'' chase you to the ends of the earth for revenge, [[RevengeBeforeReason even if it's detrimental]]. Basically, it's only said to someone who (in the speaker's opinion) has crossed the MoralEventHorizon, but also entails a burden: the speaker is ''so'' offended that a RoaringRampageOfRevenge is the ''only'' option. Obviously, it can overlap with PreAsskickingOneLiner, so expect serious butt-kicking in the following RightMakesMight fight.

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To the western ear, it seems quite [[{{Narm}} anti-climactic and quaint,]] [[ValuesDissonance but to the Japanese, this is ]]''[[ValuesDissonance serious]]'' [[ValuesDissonance serious business.]] ]]'' It is the Challenge, and it is rarely defeated. Specifically, it has to do with a notion in the Japanese culture of narrowing possibilities; if the subject can't be forgiven for a transgression, then the only ''other'' option is that [[DisproportionateRetribution he's about to get his head ripped off or otherwise punished in a severe fashion]][[note]]The act, being a form of DisproportionateRetribution might cause the person committing it to [[HeWhoFightsMonsters become the same person as the victim in terms of morality]].[[/note]]. It also has to do with the fact that in Japanese culture, being able to both ask for forgiveness and accept it are considered a virtue, therefore refusing to accept their forgiveness holds a lot more weight. And the person who can't forgive ''won't'' give this up. Most of this has to do with Japan's brutal code of {{honor|BeforeReason}} dating back to the Medieval times. Back in the era of the {{samurai}} and the like, this had even more teeth, since the person who made this challenge very likely ''would'' chase you to the ends of the earth for revenge, [[RevengeBeforeReason even if it's detrimental]]. Basically, it's only said to someone who (in the speaker's opinion) has crossed the MoralEventHorizon, but also entails a burden: the speaker is ''so'' offended that a RoaringRampageOfRevenge is the ''only'' option. Obviously, it can overlap with PreAsskickingOneLiner, so expect serious butt-kicking in the following RightMakesMight fight.
15th Feb '16 11:04:53 AM Anddrix
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* In ''Literature/{{Divergent}}'', Will, Christina and Tris treat [[spoiler:Al this way after he assists Peter and Drew in attempting to kill Tris]]. They become more ambivalent after [[spoiler:Al kills himself]] but never speak of it again.
4th Feb '16 7:43:24 PM Gamermaster
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* [[MahouSenseiNegima Negi]] uses it the [[http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/71/mahou_sensei_negima/chapter.11094/page.11/ first time he confronts Fate Averruncus]], this is a subversion, since Fate way out-classes Negi. Later [[OldMaster Evangeline]], however, [[IAmNotLeftHanded kicks much butt]].

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* [[MahouSenseiNegima Negi]] Negi from ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'' uses it the [[http://www.mangafox.com/page/manga/read/71/mahou_sensei_negima/chapter.11094/page.11/ first time he confronts Fate Averruncus]], this is a subversion, since Fate way out-classes Negi. Later [[OldMaster Evangeline]], however, [[IAmNotLeftHanded kicks much butt]].
30th Jan '16 6:02:14 AM StFan
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* In ''WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'', Hawkeye's "You're dead to me!" is a particularly harsh variation reserved for a former friend, Black Widow.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/AvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'', ''WesternAnimation/TheAvengersEarthsMightiestHeroes'', Hawkeye's "You're dead to me!" is a particularly harsh variation reserved for a former friend, Black Widow.
28th Jan '16 11:11:59 AM DarkHunter
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* ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDxD'': PlayedForLaughs in the Issei Hyoudou vs Vali Lucifer fight. Azazel claims that Vali will use his Divine Dividing ability to shrink the breasts of the girls around them. An enraged Issei roars that he will never forgive Vali for that, gains a massive power boost, and beats the shit out of him. Since Vali doesn't really care about sex, he can't understand what Issei is saying.

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* ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDxD'': PlayedForLaughs in the Issei Hyoudou vs Vali Lucifer fight. Azazel claims that Vali will use his Divine Dividing ability to shrink the breasts of the girls around them. An enraged Issei roars that he will never forgive Vali for that, gains a massive power boost, and beats the shit out of him. Since Vali doesn't really care about sex, is completely dumbfounded by this, his tone of voice in rest of the battle making it clear that he can't understand cannot ''believe'' what Issei is saying.he's hearing.
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