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27th Mar '18 8:26:10 PM randomtroper89
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You can expect the [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge fireworks to start]] once the secret is revealed. Alternately, Bob might instead kidnap one or all of her friends and family in order to more directly control her, or as a backup since their murder [[strike:can]] ''will'' backfire. If Charlie wanted to make Alice pull a MookFaceTurn [=/=] HeelFaceTurn (or at least leave/betray Bob) revealing this VillainousDemotivator is sure to work.

A more sinister variation happens when Bob is a PoisonousFriend who [[TheFarmerAndTheViper wants to "help"]] Alice by killing her LivingEmotionalCrutch and MoralityChain. The reason? "[[TitleDrop They were holding you back]] from achieving your true potential."

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You can expect the [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge fireworks to start]] once the secret is revealed. Alternately, Bob might instead kidnap one or all of her friends and family in order to more directly control her, or as a backup since their murder [[strike:can]] ''will'' backfire. If Charlie wanted to make Alice pull a MookFaceTurn [=/=] HeelFaceTurn MookFaceTurn[=/=]HeelFaceTurn (or at least leave/betray Bob) revealing this VillainousDemotivator is sure to work.

A more sinister variation happens when Bob is a PoisonousFriend who Bob [[TheFarmerAndTheViper wants to "help"]] Alice by killing her LivingEmotionalCrutch and MoralityChain. The reason? "[[TitleDrop They were holding you back]] from achieving your true potential."



* In the manga version of ''Whistle!'' Shigeki does this which can at times be connected to ''FriendlyEnemy'' when [[spoiler:When he defects to the other side and challenges Sho's team. This angers Mizuno in the process]]

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* In the manga version of ''Whistle!'' Shigeki does this which can at times be connected to ''FriendlyEnemy'' when [[spoiler:When he defects to the other side and challenges Sho's team. This angers Mizuno in the process]]



* In ''Series/{{Smallville}}'', [[AdaptationalVillainy Jor-El]] does this to Clark, a lot. In ''Arrival'', he tries to freeze [[spoiler:Chloe]] to death because of this, leading to an extremely heartwarming moment.

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* In ''Series/{{Smallville}}'', [[AdaptationalVillainy Jor-El]] does this to Clark, a lot. In ''Arrival'', "Arrival", he tries to freeze [[spoiler:Chloe]] to death because of this, leading to an extremely heartwarming moment.



** He does it again, arguably worse, in a deleted scene between [[spoiler:''Blue'' and ''Persona''. Jor-El intends to trap Clark in a crystal until all his loved ones have died so he won't be held back by anything, but luckily [[GodzillaThreshold he has to release him to defeat Bizarro.]]]]

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** He does it again, arguably worse, in a deleted scene between [[spoiler:''Blue'' [[spoiler:"Blue" and ''Persona''."Persona". Jor-El intends to trap Clark in a crystal until all his loved ones have died so he won't be held back by anything, but luckily [[GodzillaThreshold he has to release him to defeat Bizarro.]]]]



** In ''Action'', a random psycho tried to kill [[DamselScrappy Lana]] because of this. Lana [[HilariousInHindsight actually admits she is holding Clark back]] in ''Power''.

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** In ''Action'', "Action", a random psycho tried to kill [[DamselScrappy Lana]] because of this. Lana [[HilariousInHindsight actually admits she is holding Clark back]] in ''Power''."Power".



* ''Very'' narrowly averted in an episode of ''Series/BurnNotice'', in which Tom Strickler offers Westen a chance at his old life back, if he does some morally questionable jobs, which he eventually agrees to. Then Strickler [[spoiler:kidnaps Fiona, who he claims is holding Michael back, and tries to give her to her enemies. Michael rescues her at the last minute, and shoots him.]]

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* ''Very'' narrowly averted in an episode of ''Series/BurnNotice'', in which Tom Strickler offers Westen a chance at his old life back, if he does some morally questionable jobs, which he eventually agrees to. Then Strickler [[spoiler:kidnaps Fiona, who he claims is holding Michael back, and tries to give her to her enemies. Michael rescues her at the last minute, and shoots him.]]
28th Feb '18 1:35:07 PM animenutcase
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* In ''LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai'', [[spoiler:Shirazumi Lio]] is convinced that the only thing holding Shiki back from a murderous existence is [[MoralityChain Mikiya]], and attempts this along with MurderTheHypotenuse. [[spoiler:Mikiya survives, but thinking he's died pushes Shiki enough that she eviscerates Lio, but she gets pulled back by Mikiya, implying that Lio is correct. Ironically, Lio himself takes Mikiya's "death" pretty badly himself]].

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* In ''LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai'', [[spoiler:Shirazumi Lio]] is convinced that the only thing holding Shiki back from a murderous existence is [[MoralityChain Mikiya]], and attempts this along with MurderTheHypotenuse. [[spoiler:Mikiya survives, but thinking he's died pushes Shiki enough that she eviscerates Lio, but she gets pulled back by Mikiya, implying that Lio is correct. Ironically, Lio himself takes Mikiya's "death" pretty badly himself]].badly]].
28th Feb '18 1:21:17 PM animenutcase
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* In ''LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai'', [[spoiler:Shirazumi Lio]] is convinced that the only thing holding Shiki back from a murderous existence is [[MoralityChain Mikiya]], and attempts this along with MurderTheHypotenuse. [[spoiler:Mikiya survives, but thinking he's died pushes Shiki enough that she eviscerates Lio, but she gets pulled back by Mikiya]].

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* In ''LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai'', [[spoiler:Shirazumi Lio]] is convinced that the only thing holding Shiki back from a murderous existence is [[MoralityChain Mikiya]], and attempts this along with MurderTheHypotenuse. [[spoiler:Mikiya survives, but thinking he's died pushes Shiki enough that she eviscerates Lio, but she gets pulled back by Mikiya]].Mikiya, implying that Lio is correct. Ironically, Lio himself takes Mikiya's "death" pretty badly himself]].
3rd Dec '17 11:06:00 PM Gideoncrawle
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* A popular trope within the Franchise/HarryPotter fandom - the idea is that Evil Dumbledore has intentionally set things up to leave Harry with his abusive relatives and keep away anyone who might help him for the first eleven years of his life, to ensure that he gets an impulsive, angry hero who doesn't rely on adults.
** In ''FanFic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'', Harry becomes briefly afraid that Dumbledore will dispose of his family once he realizes that they ''aren't'' abusive (and therefore might be holding him back) and thus pretends to be miserable. Much later in the story, this is played deadly straight when [[spoiler:Professor Quirrel]] ''does'' try to remove Harry's friends in order to limit their influence on him. This is done by [[spoiler: framing Hermione for Draco's attempted murder, and then ''killing'' Hermione.]] It turns out to have been [[TheUnfettered a bad idea.]]

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* A popular trope within the Franchise/HarryPotter fandom - the idea is that Evil Dumbledore has intentionally set things up to leave Harry with his abusive relatives and keep away anyone who might help him for the first eleven years of his life, to ensure that he gets an impulsive, angry hero who doesn't rely on adults.
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In ''FanFic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'', Harry becomes briefly afraid that Dumbledore will dispose of his family once he realizes that they ''aren't'' abusive (and therefore might be holding him back) and thus pretends to be miserable. Much later in the story, this is played deadly straight when [[spoiler:Professor Quirrel]] ''does'' try to remove Harry's friends in order to limit their influence on him. This is done by [[spoiler: framing Hermione for Draco's attempted murder, and then ''killing'' Hermione.]] It turns out to have been [[TheUnfettered a bad idea.]]
11th Sep '17 11:03:35 AM CosmicFerret
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* This was somewhat the reason why the second Zoom attempted to kill [[TheFlash Wally West's]] wife Linda (and succeeded in [[spoiler:temporarily causing the deaths of their unborn children]] in Geoff Johns' Flash run. He felt that Wally needed a great personal tragedy in his life to strive to become a better hero, and Linda being alive in a happy relationship with him was preventing this from happening.

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* This was somewhat the reason why the second Zoom attempted to kill [[TheFlash [[ComicBook/TheFlash Wally West's]] wife Linda (and succeeded in [[spoiler:temporarily causing the deaths of their unborn children]] in Geoff Johns' Flash run. He felt that Wally needed a great personal tragedy in his life to strive to become a better hero, and Linda being alive in a happy relationship with him was preventing this from happening.
10th Sep '17 11:35:39 AM GrammarNavi
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* The ending of ''HarpersIsland'' reveals that [[spoiler:Henry is an example of the second variant. He brought Abby back to the island and started killing people with John Wakefield because he believes it's their destiny to live on the island together, with no one else. She doesn't take it well when she finds out.]]

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* The ending of ''HarpersIsland'' ''Series/HarpersIsland'' reveals that [[spoiler:Henry is an example of the second variant. He brought Abby back to the island and started killing people with John Wakefield because he believes it's their destiny to live on the island together, with no one else. She doesn't take it well when she finds out.]]
21st Apr '17 12:16:59 PM gophergiggles
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* [[spoiler:Penelope]] in ''VideoGame/SlyCooperThievesInTime'' cites this as her reasoning for selling out Sly's team and joining Le Paradox's crew, when giving her MotiveRant and trying to get Bentley to come with her. [[spoiler:Bentley agrees 100% that she is right, but that he simply doesn't care because all ''he'' has ever wanted in life was to be with Sly and Murray.]]
19th Apr '17 11:09:50 AM FuzzyBoots
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* The "good guys" attempt to do this to the protagonist in ''Literature/RepairmanJack''. His remaining parent is killed and they put his lover and unborn child into a dying state. He strongarms them into reversing the first, but they refuse to fix the latter to remind him that he only has as much power as they give him.
--> "A spear has no branches."
9th Dec '16 3:07:13 PM Morgenthaler
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* In ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine'', this is apparently why Victor kills Kayla. [[spoiler: Only it turns out, it was Stryker's plan, not Victor's, and Kayla is not actually dead.]]
* In Franchise/StarWars it is elaborated upon in the Expanded Universe that Palpatine had plans to kill off Padme anyway, he felt that Vader's love for her was holding him back.
** This is very, very common in Sith training in general. Removing the "weakness of compassion" by killing a loved one is usually the last step in becoming truly devoted to the Dark Side. See [[Literature/LegacyOfTheForce Jacen Solo]].

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[[folder:Film]]
* In ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine'', this is apparently why Victor kills Kayla. [[spoiler: Only it turns out, it was Stryker's plan, not Victor's, and Kayla is not actually dead.]]
* In Franchise/StarWars it is elaborated upon in the Expanded Universe that Palpatine had plans to kill off Padme anyway, he felt that Vader's love for her was holding him back.
** This is very, very common in Sith training in general. Removing the "weakness of compassion" by killing a loved one is usually the last step in becoming truly devoted to the Dark Side. See [[Literature/LegacyOfTheForce Jacen Solo]].
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* A less malignant version of this is what drives the main conflict of ''Film/TheAdjustmentBureau'': the Bureau doesn't try to kill Elise but aims to keep her and David apart because David's drive to become a politician and make a positive difference in the world was his means to cope with the loneliness he felt after losing his parents at an early age (also due to the machinations of the Bureau). According to the Bureau, if David and Elise remain together, David won't become President and change the world for the better. Likewise, Elise would fail to become one of the greatest ballet dancers in the world.
* In the French film ''With a Friend Like Harry...'', Harry tries to clear all obstacles to his favorite writer's progress, including family.


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* In ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine'', this is apparently why Victor kills Kayla. [[spoiler: Only it turns out, it was Stryker's plan, not Victor's, and Kayla is not actually dead.]]
* In Franchise/StarWars it is elaborated upon in the Expanded Universe that Palpatine had plans to kill off Padme anyway, he felt that Vader's love for her was holding him back.
** This is very, very common in Sith training in general. Removing the "weakness of compassion" by killing a loved one is usually the last step in becoming truly devoted to the Dark Side. See [[Literature/LegacyOfTheForce Jacen Solo]].
* A less malignant version of this is what drives the main conflict of ''Film/TheAdjustmentBureau'': the Bureau doesn't try to kill Elise but aims to keep her and David apart because David's drive to become a politician and make a positive difference in the world was his means to cope with the loneliness he felt after losing his parents at an early age (also due to the machinations of the Bureau). According to the Bureau, if David and Elise remain together, David won't become President and change the world for the better. Likewise, Elise would fail to become one of the greatest ballet dancers in the world.
* In the French film ''With a Friend Like Harry...'', Harry tries to clear all obstacles to his favorite writer's progress, including family.
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15th Jul '16 8:43:30 AM Willbyr
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* In ''BattleAngelAlita'', when Yasugun comes to his sensei to talk about fear of death, he is told that a perfect machine he is striving to be should feel no emotion and if its his sister that is the source of the doubt, he should kill her.

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* In ''BattleAngelAlita'', ''Manga/{{Gunnm}}'', when Yasugun comes to his sensei to talk about fear of death, he is told that a perfect machine he is striving to be should feel no emotion and if its his sister that is the source of the doubt, he should kill her.
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