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29th Jan '17 1:07:23 PM Grudgeal
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* Deconstructed in ''Webcomic/UseSwordOnMonster'', where a side effect of magic being introduced to the world is the theory becoming physical law to go along with it. Heroes using the magic automatically show up when magic does, as does magical monsters and demons for them to fight, because that's what heroes and monsters ''do''. This implies that [[BigBad the Dragon]], which seems to be the source of all magic, may also be its slave because its role as God of Magic means it's also been turned into the BigBad by narrative necessity.
16th Jan '17 9:31:39 AM RacattackForce
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* A major aspect of ''WesternAnimation/PennZeroPartTimeHero'': the main characters are DimensionalTravelers who must fill in for the heroes of whatever world they find themselves and [[AndTheDayIsSaved save the day]]. All the characters are fairly GenreSavvy, with solving the problem of any given dimension coming down to figuring out what genre ([[GenreBusting if any]]) a dimension falls under and how to work with or against it.

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* A major aspect of ''WesternAnimation/PennZeroPartTimeHero'': the main characters are DimensionalTravelers {{dimensional traveler}}s who must fill in for the heroes of whatever world they find themselves and [[AndTheDayIsSaved save the day]].day. All the characters are fairly GenreSavvy, with solving the problem of any given dimension coming down to figuring out what genre ([[GenreBusting if any]]) a dimension falls under and how to work with or against it.
16th Jan '17 8:29:17 AM RacattackForce
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* A major aspect of ''WesternAnimation/PennZeroPartTimeHero'': the main characters are DimensionalTravelers who must fill in for the heroes of whatever world they find themselves and [[AndTheDayIsSaved save the day]]. All the characters are fairly GenreSavvy, with solving the problem of any given dimension coming down to figuring out what genre ([[GenreBusting if any]]) a dimension falls under and how to work with or against it.
31st Dec '16 6:08:27 AM DrPopo
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* Early in his career, ComicBook/RedHulk punched Uatu, the Watcher, which made a vastly powerful villain take an interest in him. Much earlier than he was supposed to, which, according to another Watcher, changed the history to one where said villain would kill Red Hulk. Seeing this as Uatu's fault and violation of Watchers' oath to never interfere, other Watcher tried to fix it. When the villain came looking for Red Hulk, the Watcher hid him in a fake reality where he had similar adventures ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk had during ''ComicBook/PlanetHulk'' story and pulled him out later, so he could confront the villain when he was originally supposed to. Watcher used this trope to justify why this isn't further interference - since Red Hulk is a character derivate from the original Hulk, it means [[RecycledPremise something like that was very likely to happen to him in the future anyway]].
19th Dec '16 9:50:58 AM Spindriver
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* The ''TabletopGame/DiscworldRolePlayingGame'' actually has rules for invoking this: A spell that lets you twist narrative tropes, as well as a caution that just because you set yourself up as the Hero Who Saves the World From the Evil Troll doesn't mean you're not actually One of the Dozen Hapless Characters Who Get Killed by the Troll Before the Hero Shows Up or, if the story is being told from a troll perspective, The Devious Little Human Squashed By The Troll Hero. ("Troll fairy-stories are not very subtle.")
** It also includes the character sheet of a GrandVizier who was pushed by narrative causality into growing a pointy beard and cackling, when he's really a good, quiet person who'd really rather make sure the budget is balanced.

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* The ''TabletopGame/DiscworldRolePlayingGame'' actually has rules for invoking this: A spell this, including magic that lets you twist narrative tropes, tropes and even draw power from them, as well as a caution against taking too much for granted...
-->"A character who tries to cast himself as the [[FarmBoy Brave Peasant Lad]] Who [[GuileHero Outwits The Troll]] may find
that just because you set yourself he's actually one of the [[SacrificialLamb Twenty Poor Peasants Eaten By The Troll]] Before [[KnightErrant The Knight Comes Along]]. He might even end up as the Hero Who Saves the World From the Evil Troll doesn't mean you're not actually One of the Dozen Hapless Characters Who Get Killed by the Troll Before the Hero Shows Up or, if the story is being told from a troll perspective, The [[{{Trickster}} Devious Little Human Human]] Squashed By [[BrainsEvilBrawnGood The Troll Hero. ("Troll fairy-stories are not very subtle.")
** It also includes the character sheet of a GrandVizier who was pushed by narrative causality into growing a pointy beard and cackling, when he's really a good, quiet person who'd really rather make sure the budget is balanced.
Hero]]. (Troll [[FairyTale fairy-stories]] [[ThudAndBlunder arenít especially subtle]].)"
8th Dec '16 8:34:36 AM N1KF
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Warning: This law may not apply if you've found a missing [[ShaggyDogStory shaggy]] [[ShootTheShaggyDog dog]].

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Warning: This law may not apply if you've found a missing [[ShaggyDogStory shaggy]] {{shaggy|DogStory}} [[ShootTheShaggyDog dog]].



* In seasons 5 & 6 of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', after the first couple of Friendship Missions directed by the [[MagneticPlotDevice Friendship Map]], the mane characters realize that the map calls specific ponies because of their specific talents, abilities, and personalities. When Rarity and Applejack are called to Manehattan to solve a problem, they comment that the problem could have been solved quickly and easily with Princess Twilight's Alicorn magic, but the map must have good reasons for only summoning the two of them. The result is a community building experience that wouldn't have happened if the more mundane matters had been fixed with a wave of a magic horn.

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* In seasons 5 & 6 of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', after the first couple of Friendship Missions directed by the [[MagneticPlotDevice Friendship Map]], the mane characters realize that the map calls specific ponies because of their specific talents, abilities, and personalities. When Rarity and Applejack are called to Manehattan to solve a problem, they comment that the problem could have been solved quickly and easily with Princess Twilight's Alicorn magic, but the map must have good reasons for only summoning the two of them. The result is a community building experience that wouldn't have happened if the more mundane matters had been fixed with a wave of a magic horn.
5th Dec '16 10:59:06 PM ultimomant
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* The ''Creator/DCComics'' villainess the Queen of Fables has the power to bring characters, items, and scenery from fairy tales to life and trap people inside fairy tales. She has no choice but to follow the rules of whatever story she uses. For example, she puts Superman inside a tale of a child who would either be granted a wish or be enslaved based on if he could complete a task for an enchantress, casting herself as the enchantress. Superman completed the task and she had to grant his wish.

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* The ''Creator/DCComics'' villainess the Queen of Fables has the power to bring characters, items, and scenery from fairy tales to life and trap people inside fairy tales. She has Her victims usually have no choice but to follow the rules of whatever story she uses.uses, but the same applies to her. For example, she puts Superman inside a tale of a child who would either be granted a wish or be enslaved based on if he could complete a task for an enchantress, casting herself as the enchantress. Superman completed the task and she had to grant his wish.
4th Dec '16 9:56:32 PM ultimomant
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* The ''Creator/DCComics'' villainess the Queen of Fables has the power to bring characters, items, and scenery from fairy tales to life and trap people inside fairy tales. She has no choice but to follow the rules of whatever story she uses. For example, she puts Superman inside a tale of a child who would either be granted a wish or be enslaved based on if he could complete a task for an enchantress, casting herself as the enchantress. Superman completed the task and she had to grant his wish.
3rd Dec '16 6:15:54 PM jormis29
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** The seeds for this go back to JMS's run on ''Thor'', where he used the "Human memory keeps gods alive" idea to revive the character. After him Gillen's ''Journey into Mystery'' ran with it, defining things so that we got this trope, not GodsNeedPrayerBadly, when he let Loki rewrite Cul by forging his tale, then more recently ''Loki: Agent Of Asgard'' was all about him trying to rewrite his own story to escape his past as the God of Evil, while the BigBad [[spoiler: his evil future self]] tried to ensure that it came about. At the end of ''Agent of Asgard'', he then faced down Those-Who-Sit-Above-In-Shadow, previously established during the Ragnarok arc as being behind the constant cycle of death and rebirth, feeding off it, before Thor ultimately saw behind the curtain and destroyed their control. Loki effectively talked them into submission, having become the God of Stories, and promptly decided to sit out ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' since there were already plenty of Lokis on Battleworld, and took a shortcut to the post ''Secret Wars'' multiverse. We could say that Marvel's cosmology got terribly meta in the last decade.

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** The seeds for this go back to JMS's run on ''Thor'', where he used the "Human memory keeps gods alive" idea to revive the character. After him Gillen's ''Journey into Mystery'' ran with it, defining things so that we got this trope, not GodsNeedPrayerBadly, when he let Loki rewrite Cul by forging his tale, then more recently ''Loki: Agent Of Asgard'' was all about him trying to rewrite his own story to escape his past as the God of Evil, while the BigBad [[spoiler: his evil future self]] tried to ensure that it came about. At the end of ''Agent of Asgard'', he then faced down Those-Who-Sit-Above-In-Shadow, previously established during the Ragnarok arc as being behind the constant cycle of death and rebirth, feeding off it, before Thor ultimately saw behind the curtain and destroyed their control. Loki effectively talked them into submission, having become the God of Stories, and promptly decided to sit out ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' since there were already plenty of Lokis on Battleworld, and took a shortcut to the post ''Secret Wars'' multiverse. We could say that Marvel's cosmology got terribly meta in the last decade.
3rd Dec '16 9:04:38 AM narm00
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** The seeds for this go back to JMS's run on ''Thor'' where he used the "Human memory keeps gods alive" idea to revive the character. After him Gillen's ''Journey into Mystery'' run with it and defined so that we got this trope not GodsNeedPrayerBadly, when he let Loki rewrite Cul by forging his tale, then more recently ''Loki: Agent Of Asgard'' has been all about him trying to rewrite his own story to escape his past as the God of Evil, while the BigBad [[spoiler: his evil future self]] tries to ensure that it comes about. At the end of ''Agent of Asgard'', he then faced down Those-Who-Sit-Above-In-Shadow, previously established during the Ragnarok arc as being behind the constant cycle of death and rebirth, feeding off it, before Thor ultimately saw behind the curtain and destroyed their control. They tried their tricks on Loki, who effectively talked them into submission, having become the God of Stories, and promptly decided to sit out ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' since there were already plenty of Loki's on Battleworld and took a shortcut to the post ''Secret Wars'' multiverse. We could say that Marvel's cosmology got terribly meta in the last decade.

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** The seeds for this go back to JMS's run on ''Thor'' ''Thor'', where he used the "Human memory keeps gods alive" idea to revive the character. After him Gillen's ''Journey into Mystery'' run ran with it and defined it, defining things so that we got this trope trope, not GodsNeedPrayerBadly, when he let Loki rewrite Cul by forging his tale, then more recently ''Loki: Agent Of Asgard'' has been was all about him trying to rewrite his own story to escape his past as the God of Evil, while the BigBad [[spoiler: his evil future self]] tries tried to ensure that it comes came about. At the end of ''Agent of Asgard'', he then faced down Those-Who-Sit-Above-In-Shadow, previously established during the Ragnarok arc as being behind the constant cycle of death and rebirth, feeding off it, before Thor ultimately saw behind the curtain and destroyed their control. They tried their tricks on Loki, who Loki effectively talked them into submission, having become the God of Stories, and promptly decided to sit out ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015'' since there were already plenty of Loki's Lokis on Battleworld Battleworld, and took a shortcut to the post ''Secret Wars'' multiverse. We could say that Marvel's cosmology got terribly meta in the last decade.



* ''{{Austraeoh}}'': At one point in ''Eljunbyro'', Bellesmith and Pilate discuss the possibility that fate/destiny is actively protecting Rainbow Dash from death.

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* ''{{Austraeoh}}'': ''Fanfic/{{Austraeoh}}'': At one point in ''Eljunbyro'', Bellesmith and Pilate discuss the possibility that fate/destiny is actively protecting Rainbow Dash from death.



* In ''Series/DoctorWho'', The season five finale ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E13TheBigBang The Big Bang]]'' The Doctor, upon [[spoiler:facing annihilation and erasure from time itself]], a surprisingly common situation for him, says to Amy:

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* In ''Series/DoctorWho'', The season during the series five finale ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E13TheBigBang The Big Bang]]'' The Bang]]'', the Doctor, upon [[spoiler:facing annihilation and erasure from time itself]], a surprisingly common situation for him, says to Amy:



* ''Series/{{Scrubs}}: The narration for the episode ''My Old Lady'' starts with the fact that in hospital, one in three patients who are admitted (with a couple of exceptions) will die there. Our three POV doctors each get a patient and so we "know" that one of them will die. [[spoiler: In fact, all three die.]]

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* ''Series/{{Scrubs}}: ''Series/{{Scrubs}}'': The narration for the episode ''My Old Lady'' starts with the fact that in hospital, one in three patients who are admitted (with a couple of exceptions) will die there. Our three POV doctors each get a patient and so we "know" that one of them will die. [[spoiler: In fact, all three die.]]



** TabletopGame/DarkHeresy and it's related games have "fate points". They are refreshed every play session and can be used to gain rerolls or manipulate results in various ways. They can also be permanently burned to allow a doomed player to survive in some contrived fashion.

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** TabletopGame/DarkHeresy and it's its related games have "fate points". They are refreshed every play session and can be used to gain rerolls or manipulate results in various ways. They can also be permanently burned to allow a doomed player to survive in some contrived fashion.



** ''Changeling'' (and by extension, the entire ''[[NewWorldOfDarkness World of Darkness]]'') embodies this trope, as the Wyrd, which is the life's blood of all things fae and of which Faerie and the True Fae are essentially manifestations, is the fundamental narrative force of the universe, incorporating time and fate, destiny and chance, predestination and free will. The above-mentioned Talecrafting works because, due to the Wyrd, the World of Darkness runs on tropes.

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** ''Changeling'' (and by extension, the entire ''[[NewWorldOfDarkness World of Darkness]]'') ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' setting) embodies this trope, as the Wyrd, which is the life's blood of all things fae and of which Faerie and the True Fae are essentially manifestations, is the fundamental narrative force of the universe, incorporating time and fate, destiny and chance, predestination and free will. The above-mentioned Talecrafting works because, due to the Wyrd, the New World of Darkness runs on tropes.



* In ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "Homer Goes To College", he treats the entire situation like he's a character in an 80's college movie. To elaborate, he keeps pulling pranks, insulting and demonizing the Dean (who's the nicest guy in the whole campus) and never studies, simply because that's how he's seen it in fiction and believes that its what he's meant to do. {{Reality ensues}}.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "Homer Goes To College", he treats the entire situation like he's a character in an 80's college movie. To elaborate, he keeps pulling pranks, insulting and demonizing the Dean (who's the nicest guy in the whole campus) and never studies, simply because that's how he's seen it in fiction and believes that its it's what he's meant to do. {{Reality ensues}}.
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