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11th Jul '17 7:52:56 AM Shadowgazer
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Sometimes the [[DesignatedHero "forces]] [[KnightTemplar of good"]] in a story treat an [[DesignatedVillain "evil"]] character badly enough, for long enough, that the "evil" character just gives up trying to show the heroes that he's not evil and becomes a villain for real. Prolonged exposure to the cynical side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism has conditioned this character to accept the fact that HumansAreTheRealMonsters, and if he wants to get anywhere in life, he has to [[FaceHeelTurn be every bit as dirty and cruel as they are.]]

The villain normally gets to this point by being rejected by the resident morality enforcers and treated to {{demonization}} and assumptive behavior. Whether it's due to being of a different nationality, hailing from a [[FantasticRacism stereotypically]] AlwaysChaoticEvil [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch species]], [[DoomMagnet having bad things happen wherever they go]], or [[NeverLiveItDown having had a few evil moments in the past]], they just ''cannot'' get a break; even if they try to do good deeds, it will only lead to being [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished horrifically punished]] for them at worst and having them be disregarded or treated as insincere attempts at fostering good will at best. As they see it, their reputation is so tarnished that there's absolutely no way of changing anyone's mind that they're not a monster, so what's the use of [[HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster trying to be anything other than the monster they're seen as]]?

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Sometimes the [[DesignatedHero supposed "forces]] [[KnightTemplar of good"]] in a story treat an [[DesignatedVillain "evil"]] character badly enough, for long enough, that the "evil" character just gives up trying to show the heroes that he's not evil and becomes a villain for real. Prolonged exposure to the cynical side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism has conditioned this character to accept the fact that HumansAreTheRealMonsters, and if he wants to get anywhere in life, he has to [[FaceHeelTurn be every bit as dirty and cruel as they are.]]

The villain normally gets to this point by being rejected by the resident morality enforcers and treated to {{demonization}} and assumptive behavior. Whether it's due to being of a different nationality, hailing from a [[FantasticRacism stereotypically]] AlwaysChaoticEvil [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch species]], species]] in somewhat more justified cases, [[DoomMagnet having bad things happen wherever they go]], or [[NeverLiveItDown having had a few evil moments in the past]], they just ''cannot'' get a break; even if they try to do good deeds, it will only lead to being [[NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished horrifically punished]] for them at worst and having them be disregarded or treated as insincere attempts at fostering good will at best. As they see it, their reputation is so tarnished that there's absolutely no way of changing anyone's mind that they're not a monster, so what's the use of [[HaveYouTriedNotBeingAMonster trying to be anything other than the monster they're seen as]]?



* {{Discussed}} but ultimately {{Averted}} in ''Disney/{{Tangled}}''. After Rapunzel [[CallingTheOldManOut calls her out]], Gothel finally decides once and for all to [[BeneathTheMask forgo the pretense]] of being a good mother (which she was [[AbusiveParents never really good at]] anyway):

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* {{Discussed}} but ultimately {{Averted}} in ''Disney/{{Tangled}}''. After Rapunzel [[CallingTheOldManOut calls her out]], Gothel finally decides once and for all to [[BeneathTheMask forgo the pretense]] of being a good mother (which she was [[AbusiveParents never really good at]] anyway):anyway) and shows her real face:
5th Jul '17 7:55:37 PM eowynjedi
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* Lightning toys with the idea in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' after her sister is TakenForGranite and she herself is branded a l'Cie, which means everyone in the world will be hunting her down. She suggests making herself an enemy that they should ''really'' fear by destroying the chief god in the fal'Cie pantheon. Ultimately she doesn't go through with it, the reaction being mainly one of grief and rage rather than reason.
27th Jun '17 9:34:31 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* In ''Manga/OnePiece'', a child named [[spoiler: Charlotte Pudding]] [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds snaps]] after being called a monster one too many times [[spoiler:over her ThirdEye]]. During the appropriate flashback, she cries BerserkerTears as she chases the bullies [[KnifeNut with a knife]].
* A much more lighthearted version plays out in the second episode of ''Anime/YugiohArcV''. After Yuya created Pendulum Summoning he draws a big crowd to where he and Yuzu are dueling. The crowd all came for Yuya and couldn't care less about Yuzu and they end up disliking her over her chewing out Yuya for getting a big head. This leads to Yuzu declaring herself the villainous heel of the game, and allows Yuya to trade quips with her.

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* In ''Manga/OnePiece'', a ''Manga/OnePiece'':
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child named [[spoiler: Charlotte Pudding]] [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds snaps]] after being called a monster one too many times [[spoiler:over her ThirdEye]]. During the appropriate flashback, she cries BerserkerTears as she chases the bullies [[KnifeNut with a knife]].
** Not played for laughs, Robin was a victim of this. As a child, she was labeled a demon by the World Government, who feared the ponegraphs she was able to read. After being hounded by angry mobs for twenty years on the lam, she joined Crocodile's criminal organization, becoming something of TheDragon to him during the Alabasta Arc. (Ironically, while not evil now, she's become ''far'' more lethal and brutal post-HeelFaceTurn, but then, she's gained a ''lot'' of pent-up aggression I her life.)
* ''Anime/YuGiOh'':
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A much more lighthearted version plays out in the second episode of ''Anime/YugiohArcV''. After Yuya created Pendulum Summoning he draws a big crowd to where he and Yuzu are dueling. The crowd all came for Yuya and couldn't care less about Yuzu and they end up disliking her over her chewing out Yuya for getting a big head. This leads to Yuzu declaring herself the villainous heel of the game, and allows Yuya to trade quips with her.
25th Jun '17 6:05:46 PM Vir
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25th Jun '17 6:04:38 PM Vir
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[[caption-width-right:341:Not even a [[TheCape Cape]] like Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} will put up with abuse and insults forever]]

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In some cases, a [[BewareOfTheNiceOnes genuinely innocent person]] being repeatedly [[FrameUp framed up]] for [[ArrestedForHeroism commiting things he never did]] into a stage where he has no chance to redeem himself might as well [[StartOfDarkness becomes what he's exactly being framed as]] and [[TheDogBitesBack repay their favors]] [[RevengeByProxy onto everyone]].

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In some cases, a [[BewareOfTheNiceOnes genuinely innocent person]] being repeatedly [[FrameUp framed up]] for [[ArrestedForHeroism commiting committing things he never did]] into a stage where he has no chance to redeem himself might as well [[StartOfDarkness becomes what he's exactly being framed as]] and [[TheDogBitesBack repay their favors]] [[RevengeByProxy onto everyone]].
21st Jun '17 4:24:38 PM spectertv
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* This happened to Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} [[TheCape of all people]] in ''Comicbook/ActionComics #362''. A descendant of Mxyzptlk commands everyone in the 40th century to believe Supergirl is a criminal. Supergirl is captured with Kryptonite, tried, and sentenced to have the word "OUTLAW" branded on her forehead. Afterwards Kara is marginalized, insulted and bullied until she cracks and decides that "[She's]] been branded an outlaw, so [she'll] be one!" Subverted, since [[spoiler:she had realized that Mxyzptlk was behind everything, and she pretended to crack to fool him]].

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* This happened to Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} [[TheCape of all people]] in ''Comicbook/ActionComics #362''. A descendant of Mxyzptlk commands everyone in the 40th century to believe Supergirl is a criminal. Supergirl is captured with Kryptonite, tried, and sentenced to have the word "OUTLAW" branded on her forehead. Afterwards Kara is marginalized, insulted and bullied until she cracks and decides that "[She's]] "[She's] been branded an outlaw, so [she'll] be one!" Subverted, since [[spoiler:she had realized that Mxyzptlk was behind everything, and she pretended to crack to fool him]].



* The original version [[ComicBook/TeenTitans Blackfire]]. As the first princess born from Tamaran's royal family in centuries, her birth was supposed to be a joyous day. Then the day she was born was marred by the Citadel destroying a city and slaughtering its three thousands inhabitants ''in her name'', and a childhood illness robbed her of the ability to fly. Because of this, ''everyone'' hated her, treating her like a villain and passing her birthright to her little sister Starfire, who became the focus of Blackfire's rage. Then one day she snapped during training and tried to kill her sister, and was exiled... And when she returned on Tamaran, it was ''leading the Citadel's armies to conquer Tamaran'', relenting only when Starfire too was stripped of her birthright and made her sister's slave. To add salt in the wound, it's eventually found out that [[spoiler: Blackfire is a born queen, as shown when she takes over Tamaran and quickly becomes a much better ruler than her father ever was]].

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* The original version of [[ComicBook/TeenTitans Blackfire]]. As the first princess born from Tamaran's royal family in centuries, her birth was supposed to be a joyous day. Then the day she was born was marred by the Citadel destroying a city and slaughtering its three thousands inhabitants ''in her name'', and a childhood illness robbed her of the ability to fly. Because of this, ''everyone'' hated her, treating her like a villain and passing her birthright to her little sister Starfire, who became the focus of Blackfire's rage. Then one day she snapped during training and tried to kill her sister, and was exiled... And when she returned on Tamaran, it was ''leading the Citadel's armies to conquer Tamaran'', relenting only when Starfire too was stripped of her birthright and made her sister's slave. To add salt in the wound, it's eventually found out that [[spoiler: Blackfire is a born queen, as shown when she takes over Tamaran and quickly becomes a much better ruler than her father ever was]].



** Similarly, after spending several episodes as a VillainBallMagnet to Quagmire, and facing gratuitous outbursts and criticisms, has started to snap back, committing genuinely callous acts against him such as stealing his dream girl or scamming him out his life savings, complete with Quagmire having the nerve to exclaim he didn't think he was ''that'' low before.

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** Similarly, after spending several episodes as a VillainBallMagnet to Quagmire, and facing gratuitous outbursts and criticisms, Brian has started to snap back, committing genuinely callous acts against him such as stealing his dream girl or scamming him out his life savings, complete with Quagmire having the nerve to exclaim he didn't think he was ''that'' low before.
13th Jun '17 11:30:04 PM Gamermaster
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* 'VisualNovel/FateStayNight'':

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12th Jun '17 6:21:32 PM Az_Tech341
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* In ''Literature/AWorldLessVisible'' former WideEyedIdealist Zeke is framed for his lover's severe beating. When he learns his comatose lover isn't receiving proper medical care but is instead being allowed to waste away, he quickly proves the dangers of angering a MadScientist.
12th Jun '17 5:52:02 AM Gosicrystal
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--> '''The Arishok:''' Fixing your mess is not the demand of the Qun, and ''you should all be '''grateful!'''''

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--> ---> '''The Arishok:''' Fixing your mess is not the demand of the Qun, and ''you should all be '''grateful!'''''



* One interpretation of the final ending of ''VideoGame/TheBindingOfIsaac [[UpdatedRerelease Rebirth]]'', where [[spoiler: after Isaac's mother tries to kill him to save him from sin after God told her to, and after all the horrors he faced in the Basement and beyond as a result, Isaac finally locks himself in the chest and [[TheAntiChrist transforms into a demon]]. [[SlasherSmile And he's alright with that]]]]

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* One interpretation of the final ending of ''VideoGame/TheBindingOfIsaac [[UpdatedRerelease Rebirth]]'', where [[spoiler: after Isaac's mother tries to kill him to save him from sin after God told her to, and after all the horrors he faced in the Basement and beyond as a result, Isaac finally locks himself in the chest and [[TheAntiChrist transforms into a demon]]. [[SlasherSmile And he's alright with that]]]]that]]]].



* 'VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker': In the ending, [[spoiler:Big Boss makes a speech about how the world will view MSF differently as time goes by; either as revolutionaries, dogs of war or terrorists and he is willing to accept that role as a villain]]. Anyone who stuck with the series long enough will know this was how Outer Heaven was founded.

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* 'VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker': ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidPeaceWalker'': In the ending, [[spoiler:Big Boss makes a speech about how the world will view MSF differently as time goes by; either as revolutionaries, dogs of war or terrorists and he is willing to accept that role as a villain]]. Anyone who stuck with the series long enough will know this was how Outer Heaven was founded.



* Invoked by Snow and Lightning in FinalFantasyXIII in order to scare civilians out of harms way.

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* Invoked by Snow and Lightning in FinalFantasyXIII ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII'' in order to scare civilians out of harms way.



--->''"Since your name has been disgraced already, why not hoist the flag and wreak havoc...? The "other you" who exists within desires it thus... [[ArcWords I am thou... thou art I...]] There is no turning back... The skull of rebellion is your flag henceforth!"''

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--->''"Since -->''"Since your name has been disgraced already, why not hoist the flag and wreak havoc...? The "other you" who exists within desires it thus... [[ArcWords I am thou... thou art I...]] There is no turning back... The skull of rebellion is your flag henceforth!"''
12th Jun '17 3:58:28 AM GardenGoblin
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* In ''Literature/AWorldLessVisible'' former WideEyedIdealist Zeke is framed for his lover's severe beating. When he learns his comatose lover isn't receiving proper medical care but is instead being allowed to waste away, he quickly proves the dangers of angering a MadScientist.
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