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5th Oct '16 7:14:19 AM erforce
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** Even the [[spoiler:anti]]villainous Barbossa abides by this... up to a point. When Elizabeth rejects his NoMrBondIExpectYouToDine proposal, he says that the alternative is to dine with the crew, and without the dress he was offering her.

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** Even the [[spoiler:anti]]villainous Barbossa abides by this... up to a point. When Elizabeth rejects his NoMrBondIExpectYouToDine proposal, proposal in the [[Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanTheCurseOfTheBlackPearl first film]], he says that the alternative is to dine with the crew, and without the dress he was offering her.
30th Sep '16 12:03:14 AM aaronupright
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30th Sep '16 12:02:30 AM aaronupright
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Too many aversions go to the opposite extreme, painting whatever era or world they're set in as a NoWomansLand CrapsackWorld, which is an oversimplification at best, sometimes outright {{Demonization}}. Modern audiences like to be told that they're [[SocietyMarchesOn much more civilized than their ancestors]], even if their ancestors have to get varying degrees of HistoricalVillainUpgrade in the process. History itself is often taught this way, as well, because it's useful to whatever ideology dominates an educational system to try and show how much better the ideology has made things since the Bad Old Days.

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Too many aversions go to the opposite extreme, painting whatever era or world they're set in as a NoWomansLand CrapsackWorld, which is an oversimplification at best, sometimes outright {{Demonization}}. At the same time, this Trope was played straight throughout history and infact was more likely to happen then not. Commanders like to maintain discipline and order amongst the ranks, an Army without either is basically a mob, and there are few better ways to cause such breakdown then letting the troops run wild over womenfolk.

Modern audiences like to be told that they're [[SocietyMarchesOn much more civilized than their ancestors]], even if their ancestors have to get varying degrees of HistoricalVillainUpgrade in the process. History itself is often taught this way, as well, because it's useful to whatever ideology dominates an educational system to try and show how much better the ideology has made things since the Bad Old Days.


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* Without breaking the prohibition against real life examples, as stated above in order to maintain discipline, Commanders throughout history have tried to enforce this trope.
* Indeed some of the well known aversions of this occurred when Commanders lost control of their troops, although it is often disputed how much effort they made to maintain said control. A perfunctory face saving "tsk tsk" was very common. Though too be fair, so were determined but ill fated efforts to prevent rapes.
25th Aug '16 8:00:17 AM StFan
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* Subverted in the firth book of ''Literature/BlackCompany''; after invading a new city, members of the company start raping Amazons. Croaker says they deserved it because they fought. Of course, the mercenaries are not exactly portrayed [[GreyAndGrayMorality as pure of heart]].

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* Subverted in the firth book of ''Literature/BlackCompany''; ''Literature/TheBlackCompany''; after invading a new city, members of the company start raping Amazons. Croaker says they deserved it because they fought. Of course, the mercenaries are not exactly portrayed [[GreyAndGrayMorality as pure of heart]].



* In the ''Literature/BelisariusSeries'' it is an awful crime that only the most barbaric minions of the bad guys do. Worthy Opponents like the Rajputs and the Kushans do not engage in this, and though some Romans do, when Belisarius hears about it he simply hangs the perp.
** Or he calls for [[OffWithHisHead Valentinian]].
* In ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' the Silver Horde of barbarian warriors do not rape. However, this may be because they're all over 80, and is possibly subverted somewhat when the Ankh-Morpork Guild of Historians distinguishes between rape and ravishment. "It's a question of style. There were never any actual ''[[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization complaints]]''."
** Of course, there is an exchange between Rincewind and Cohen in Interesting Times which suggests that the Silver Horde do not rape for more.... [[TheLoinsSleepTonight practical reasons]]. Speaking about an 85 year old Barbarian.....
--> '''Rincewind''': "Rape? That's not very...."
--> '''Cohen''':"He's an old man. Don't go spoiling his dreams."

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* In the ''Literature/BelisariusSeries'' it is an awful crime that only the most barbaric minions of the bad guys do. Worthy Opponents like the Rajputs and the Kushans do not engage in this, and though some Romans do, when Belisarius hears about it he simply hangs the perp.
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perp. Or he calls for [[OffWithHisHead Valentinian]].
* In ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' the Silver Horde of barbarian warriors do not rape. However, this may be because they're all over 80, and is possibly subverted somewhat when the Ankh-Morpork Guild of Historians distinguishes between rape and ravishment. "It's a question of style. There were never any actual ''[[NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization complaints]]''."
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" Of course, there is an exchange between Rincewind and Cohen in Interesting Times ''Discworld/InterestingTimes'' which suggests that the Silver Horde do not rape for more.... [[TheLoinsSleepTonight practical reasons]]. Speaking about an 85 year old Barbarian.....
--> '''Rincewind''': "Rape?
85-year-old Barbarian...
-->'''Rincewind:''' Rape?
That's not very...."
--> '''Cohen''':"He's
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'''Cohen:''' He's
an old man. Don't go spoiling his dreams."
21st Aug '16 11:14:23 AM nombretomado
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* ''{{Nodwick}}'': A somewhat-outnumbered human army is standing against an Orcish Horde, when the protagonists bring in a small army of mercenaries to help the beleaguered humans... unfortunately, the mercenaries are... well, ''mercenaries'', and it soon turns into a bidding-war between the human forces and the orcs. Finally, the Orcs offer the mercenaries a fat percentage of the looting, "And your pick of the women!" to which the mercenaries respond with a resounding "SOLD!" But of course, Nodwick manages to turn things around in his usual, understated fashion, by playing the virtues of the Stupid Good poster-child, Piffany, against the mercenaries' ruthlessness. Realizing that if they sell out to the orcs, it'll make her cry, they turn on the orcs with unbridled fury...
* Averted in the world of ''{{Drowtales}}'', which is a CrapsackWorld with GreyAndGrayMorality, and shows that even in a society where the political and war leaders are women this can still happen with it apparently being more about power than the genders of the perpetrators and/or victims. Quain'tana's daughter Mel'arnach was repeatedly abused by her mother's men [[spoiler:and at one point Quain'tana herself ordered it to try and conceive an heir through Mel]] and Vaelia, the only human in the main cast, says that this is true of the human armies in the world as well.

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* ''{{Nodwick}}'': ''Webcomic/{{Nodwick}}'': A somewhat-outnumbered human army is standing against an Orcish Horde, when the protagonists bring in a small army of mercenaries to help the beleaguered humans... unfortunately, the mercenaries are... well, ''mercenaries'', and it soon turns into a bidding-war between the human forces and the orcs. Finally, the Orcs offer the mercenaries a fat percentage of the looting, "And your pick of the women!" to which the mercenaries respond with a resounding "SOLD!" But of course, Nodwick manages to turn things around in his usual, understated fashion, by playing the virtues of the Stupid Good poster-child, Piffany, against the mercenaries' ruthlessness. Realizing that if they sell out to the orcs, it'll make her cry, they turn on the orcs with unbridled fury...
* Averted in the world of ''{{Drowtales}}'', ''Webcomic/{{Drowtales}}'', which is a CrapsackWorld with GreyAndGrayMorality, and shows that even in a society where the political and war leaders are women this can still happen with it apparently being more about power than the genders of the perpetrators and/or victims. Quain'tana's daughter Mel'arnach was repeatedly abused by her mother's men [[spoiler:and at one point Quain'tana herself ordered it to try and conceive an heir through Mel]] and Vaelia, the only human in the main cast, says that this is true of the human armies in the world as well.
12th Aug '16 1:51:50 PM Morgenthaler
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* Used in Juliet Marillier's ''BrideiChronicles'' to highlight the virtues of the title character. He goes ballistic when he catches men from his own army about to rape captive women -- despite the fact that a Pict in the 6th century probably wouldn't have such respect for women's rights.

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* Used in Juliet Marillier's ''BrideiChronicles'' ''Literature/BrideiChronicles'' to highlight the virtues of the title character. He goes ballistic when he catches men from his own army about to rape captive women -- despite the fact that a Pict in the 6th century probably wouldn't have such respect for women's rights.



* Very noticeable in the ''{{Conqueror}}'' books. The Mongols were certainly fond of rape, and Genghis Khan did it so much that five per every thousand people living today have him as an ancestor. However, in the books, the Tartars are the only group known to actually commit rape.

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* Very noticeable in the ''{{Conqueror}}'' ''Literature/{{Conqueror}}'' books. The Mongols were certainly fond of rape, and Genghis Khan did it so much that five per every thousand people living today have him as an ancestor. However, in the books, the Tartars are the only group known to actually commit rape.



* Subverted in the firth book of ''BlackCompany''; after invading a new city, members of the company start raping Amazons. Croaker says they deserved it because they fought. Of course, the mercenaries are not exactly portrayed [[GreyAndGrayMorality as pure of heart]].
* ''BirthOfANation'' ''is'' this trope. The entire thing is about the Ku Klux Klan killing black men and carpetbaggers who raped white women.

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* Subverted in the firth book of ''BlackCompany''; ''Literature/BlackCompany''; after invading a new city, members of the company start raping Amazons. Croaker says they deserved it because they fought. Of course, the mercenaries are not exactly portrayed [[GreyAndGrayMorality as pure of heart]].
* ''BirthOfANation'' ''Literature/BirthOfANation'' ''is'' this trope. The entire thing is about the Ku Klux Klan killing black men and carpetbaggers who raped white women.



* Surprisingly subverted in the otherwise rather lighthearted ''[[TheElenium Sparhawk]]'' series. The fierce Peloi Tribesmen of the Great Plains (FantasyCounterpartCulture to the Mongols/Huns) are loudly and clearly in favor of the full RapePillageAndBurn trinity, and are staunch allies to the heroes, the [[ThePaladin Knights of the Church]]... who are not only unsurprised, but somewhat tolerant of the Peloi's predilections. During one memorable scene in the first trilogy, Sparhawk has to politely but firmly explain to their Peloi allies that there will be no rape, plundering or burnination during the invasion of a particular city, because it was one of their ''own'' cities that they were ''liberating'' from an occupying force. The implication being that if it was a ''foreign'' city, they'd mostly just stand aside and let the Tribesmen take what they wanted. The leader of the tribesmen is obviously depressed about this, but agrees--with a sigh--since they're old friends. The same Peloi chieftain winds up being a fairly major character in the second trilogy... and, somewhat amusingly, [[spoiler: winds up marrying one of the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Atan people]]--who had previously murdered any number of would-be rapists during her stay in foreign lands.]] What ''she'' thought of his past hobbies remains unsaid.
* In the HeraldsOfValdemar series, the Eastern Empire, despite being an antagonist, is like this. They have very strict laws about rape that get imposed whenever they conquer a new land. Basically, any woman that gets raped is granted the status of a divorced spouse, which means that half the perpetrator's possessions and wages go to the victim for five years if there is no child and sixteen if there is one. If the child is a daughter, the guy has to provide a dowry, and if it's a son, he has to pay for the outfitting when the son is conscripted into the military. If the perpetrator doesn't have means to pay, then he gets sent to a government labor camp with his wages paying for it. If a guy is stupid enough to rape again, then he undergoes physical and magical punishment that leave him outwardly intact but unable to repeat the act.

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* Surprisingly subverted in the otherwise rather lighthearted ''[[TheElenium ''[[Literature/TheElenium Sparhawk]]'' series. The fierce Peloi Tribesmen of the Great Plains (FantasyCounterpartCulture to the Mongols/Huns) are loudly and clearly in favor of the full RapePillageAndBurn trinity, and are staunch allies to the heroes, the [[ThePaladin Knights of the Church]]... who are not only unsurprised, but somewhat tolerant of the Peloi's predilections. During one memorable scene in the first trilogy, Sparhawk has to politely but firmly explain to their Peloi allies that there will be no rape, plundering or burnination during the invasion of a particular city, because it was one of their ''own'' cities that they were ''liberating'' from an occupying force. The implication being that if it was a ''foreign'' city, they'd mostly just stand aside and let the Tribesmen take what they wanted. The leader of the tribesmen is obviously depressed about this, but agrees--with a sigh--since they're old friends. The same Peloi chieftain winds up being a fairly major character in the second trilogy... and, somewhat amusingly, [[spoiler: winds up marrying one of the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Atan people]]--who had previously murdered any number of would-be rapists during her stay in foreign lands.]] What ''she'' thought of his past hobbies remains unsaid.
* In the HeraldsOfValdemar Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar series, the Eastern Empire, despite being an antagonist, is like this. They have very strict laws about rape that get imposed whenever they conquer a new land. Basically, any woman that gets raped is granted the status of a divorced spouse, which means that half the perpetrator's possessions and wages go to the victim for five years if there is no child and sixteen if there is one. If the child is a daughter, the guy has to provide a dowry, and if it's a son, he has to pay for the outfitting when the son is conscripted into the military. If the perpetrator doesn't have means to pay, then he gets sent to a government labor camp with his wages paying for it. If a guy is stupid enough to rape again, then he undergoes physical and magical punishment that leave him outwardly intact but unable to repeat the act.
10th Jul '16 5:05:16 PM kraas
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** Fett pointed out that what he was doing (pursuing bounties) was technically legal, and that he sees his relationship with Jabba as strictly business.
** He also opines that once the Rebellion is crushed, the Empire will likely deal with Jabba, but right now he's a lesser evil to them.
** This isn't the only time Fett has acted this way. ''Usually'', he isn't a cruel man; he's just completely uncaring of whoever he's hired to apprehend. (And there was no real profit in hurting Leia, especially since she was already a prisoner.)
** Later ExpandedUniverse stories turn him into an already-married man (and father) who is completely loyal to his (estranged) wife (this [[CanonDiscontinuity contradicts earlier text]] which states he's never even ''held'' a woman, let alone had sex with one).

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** Fett pointed out that what he was doing (pursuing bounties) was technically legal, and that he sees his relationship with Jabba as strictly business.
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business. He also opines that once the Rebellion is crushed, the Empire will likely deal with Jabba, but right now he's a lesser evil to them.
** This isn't the only time Fett has acted this way. ''Usually'', he isn't a cruel man; he's just completely uncaring of whoever he's hired to apprehend. (And there was no real profit in hurting Leia, especially since she was already a prisoner.)
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) Later ExpandedUniverse stories turn him into an already-married man (and father) who is completely loyal to his (estranged) wife (this [[CanonDiscontinuity contradicts earlier text]] which states he's never even ''held'' a woman, let alone had sex with one).
10th Jul '16 5:04:15 PM kraas
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** Largely averted with the Ironborn, who have a general philosophy that MightMakesRight leading to a lot of DeliberateValuesDissonance (but then, none of them are particularly "heroic"). They consider murder and theft more honourable than trade, and the forcible kidnap of "wives" as the prerogative of any conqueror.

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** Largely averted with the Ironborn, who have a general philosophy that MightMakesRight leading to a lot of DeliberateValuesDissonance (but then, none of them are particularly "heroic"). They consider murder and theft more honourable than trade, and the forcible kidnap of "wives" "salt wives" as the prerogative of any conqueror.
30th May '16 4:37:17 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* ''TheSwordOfTruth'' series has [[PunctuatedforEmphasis every. single. bad guy.]] be a rapist. For example the books constantly point out that Jagang's (the villain) army is full of rapists. We couldn't even begin to guess how many times it's mentioned that some soldier or soldiers are/were raping women and children. The armies of the good guys, on the other hand, are super professional and would never rape anyone.

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* ''TheSwordOfTruth'' ''Literature/TheSwordOfTruth'' series has [[PunctuatedforEmphasis every. single. bad guy.]] be a rapist. For example the books constantly point out that Jagang's (the villain) army is full of rapists. We couldn't even begin to guess how many times it's mentioned that some soldier or soldiers are/were raping women and children. The armies of the good guys, on the other hand, are super professional and would never rape anyone.
20th May '16 5:12:14 PM TheSinful
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* Played with in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2565609/135/Odd-Ideas Dungeons & Drow]]'' with regards to [[Literature/HarryPotter Harry's]] new pet, the titular Drow. Harry doesn't intend to torture or rape her because it's [[PragmaticVillainy a waste of a potentially useful tool]], but admits that should she attempt to flee or kill him then flee, she will be captured and raped by his men.
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