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27th Jun '16 2:19:30 AM Midna
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Simple: declare war on straw! You're the writer, aren't you? You control what the "other side" has to say. All you need to do is present the opposing position as a laughable shadow of its former self and you can easily knock it over. You'll always be the winner! Everybody loves a winner.

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Simple: declare war on straw! You're the writer, aren't you? You control what the "other side" has to say. All you need to do is present the opposing position as a laughable shadow of its former self and you can easily knock it over. You'll always be the winner! Everybody loves a winner.
winner. Bonus points if the opposing side is violently murdered afterwards (with the killer [[KarmaHoudini never being punished]], naturally, because why would you ever punish someone who's ''right?'').
24th Jun '16 8:47:01 PM Chariset
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So, you want to bring up politics, or have AnAesop, but can't bring yourself to fairly represent the other side of the argument? You didn't read up on the other side's position, and hope to patch your argument with a little [[LogicalFallacies dodgy logic]]?

Well, there's only one thing to do: declare war on straw! You're the writer, aren't you? You can control what the "other side" has to say. So have them present the opposing position as a laughable shadow of its former self so you can easily knock it over. You can win every time! And everybody loves a winner.

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So, You've set out making your latest work with the intention to speak your piece on some contested issue, but you've found it's harder than you want to bring up politics, or expected. You have AnAesop, but to write both sides of the issue, after all, and what do you do when you can't bring yourself to fairly represent the other side of the argument? You didn't read up argument. What if you're not entirely clear on what the other side's position, and hope to patch your argument with a little [[LogicalFallacies dodgy logic]]?

Well, there's only one thing to do:
side ''is''?

Simple:
declare war on straw! You're the writer, aren't you? You can control what the "other side" has to say. So have them All you need to do is present the opposing position as a laughable shadow of its former self so and you can easily knock it over. You can win every time! And everybody You'll always be the winner! Everybody loves a winner.
5th May '16 6:57:15 PM MsChibi
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4th May '16 11:05:47 AM MsChibi
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17th Oct '15 4:49:09 PM eroock
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[[caption-width-right:250:Your argument did not address his, but nice try. ]]

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[[caption-width-right:250:Your argument did not address his, but nice try. ]]]]
17th Oct '15 4:48:56 PM eroock
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[[quoteright:200:[[VisualPun http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Strawmanguthing_1968.jpg]]]]
[[caption-width-right:200:Your argument did not address his, but nice try. ]]

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[[caption-width-right:200:Your [[caption-width-right:250:Your argument did not address his, but nice try. ]]
11th Aug '15 9:13:06 AM TheKaizerreich
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Some of the tropes here are not strawmen every time they appear; for instance, a CorruptChurch, AnimalWrongsGroup, or AmoralAttorney can sometimes be used as a villain a la AcceptableTargets [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotDidactic without any (deliberate) intention]] of making a larger political statement. Sometimes people use those things with the justification that [[PoesLaw they do exist in reality]] to a limited extent -- but they are still strawmen when used, implicitly or explicitly, to try to make a larger argument against anyone who shares their beliefs.

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Some of the tropes here are not strawmen every time they appear; for instance, a CorruptChurch, AnimalWrongsGroup, or AmoralAttorney can sometimes be used as a villain a la AcceptableTargets [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotDidactic without any (deliberate) intention]] of making a larger political statement. Sometimes people use those things with the justification that [[PoesLaw they do exist in reality]] to a limited extent -- but they are still strawmen when used, implicitly or explicitly, to try to make a larger argument against anyone who shares their beliefs.
beliefs (especially if they happen to be particularly extreme and/or alienating to even other people who ''do'' share them but are decidedly more moderate about the topic in question).
13th Jun '15 7:22:01 AM justanid
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24th Apr '15 1:03:52 AM Chariset
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Well, there's only one thing to do. Declare War On Straw!

You too can fight against positions that would make an outside observer say WhatAnIdiot! Just don't fight anything that has any resemblance to reality, and you should win easily!

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Well, there's only one thing to do. Declare War On Straw!

do: declare war on straw! You're the writer, aren't you? You too can fight against positions that would make an outside observer say WhatAnIdiot! Just don't fight anything that control what the "other side" has any resemblance to reality, and say. So have them present the opposing position as a laughable shadow of its former self so you should can easily knock it over. You can win easily!
every time! And everybody loves a winner.



The flip side (where the target is ''so'' wacky it's hard to parody) is PoesLaw.

When the War on Straw is being lost, its StrawmanHasAPoint.

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The flip side (where the target a position is ''so'' wacky so off-the-wall that it's hard impossible to parody) distinguish between a genuine statement and an exaggeration/parody) is PoesLaw.

When you fought the War on Straw is being lost, its straw and the straw won (in the opinion of your readers/viewers), it's StrawmanHasAPoint.
3rd Jul '14 9:18:29 PM helix
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