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6th Aug '17 1:13:14 PM faunas
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* Sadly the PlayedForLaughs angle this usually has in fiction is not always the case in real life. In most Western Democracies municipal government is constantly strapped for cash and either legally unable to raise taxes or raising taxes would be political suicide. What they ''can'' do is raise municipal fees and penalties for their violation. And most fines that don't exceed the "parking ticket" level are not set in relation to the income or net worth of the offender even in countries where criminal sentences usually are. Thus there are people who just shrug off the 300 fine for going 20 km/h over the speed limit and there are people to whom a parking ticket can literally mean bankruptcy. While most of those people would really just want to pay the fine and get it over with, they just ''can't''. It's not always possible to pay it back in multiple installments and failure to pay often incurs more fines, creating a vicious cycle that might [[DisproportionateRetribution end people up in prison]]. ''Series/LastWeekTonightWithJohnOliver'' did [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto a video]] on this as it applies in the US (plus the [[EvilDebtCollectors private probation companies]] they use), but the US are far from the only country where things like that happen.

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* Sadly the PlayedForLaughs angle this usually has in fiction is not always the case in real life. In most Western Democracies municipal government is constantly strapped for cash and either legally unable to raise taxes or raising taxes would be political suicide. What they ''can'' do is raise municipal fees and penalties for their violation. And most fines that don't exceed the "parking ticket" level are not set in relation to the income or net worth of the offender even in countries where criminal sentences usually are. Thus there are people who just shrug off the 300 fine for going 20 km/h over the speed limit and there are people to whom a parking ticket can literally mean bankruptcy. While most of those people would really just want to pay the fine and get it over with, they just ''can't''. It's not always possible to pay it back in multiple installments and failure to pay often incurs more fines, creating a vicious cycle that might [[DisproportionateRetribution end people up in prison]]. ''Series/LastWeekTonightWithJohnOliver'' did [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto a video]] on this as it applies in the US (plus the [[EvilDebtCollectors [[EvilDebtCollector private probation companies]] they use), but the US are far from the only country where things like that happen.
6th Aug '17 1:12:47 PM faunas
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* Sadly the PlayedForLaughs angle this usually has in fiction is not always the case in real life. In most Western Democracies municipal government is constantly strapped for cash and either legally unable to raise taxes or raising taxes would be political suicide. What they ''can'' do is raise municipal fees and penalties for their violation. And most fines that don't exceed the "parking ticket" level are not set in relation to the income or net worth of the offender even in countries where criminal sentences usually are. Thus there are people who just shrug off the 300 fine for going 20 km/h over the speed limit and there are people to whom a parking ticket can literally mean bankruptcy. While most of those people would really just want to pay the fine and get it over with, they just ''can't''. It's not always possible to pay it back in multiple installments and failure to pay often incurs more fines, creating a vicious cycle that might [[DisproportionateRetribution end people up in prison]]. ''Series/LastWeekTonightWithJohnOliver'' did [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto a video]] on this as it applies in the US, but the US are far from the only country where things like that happen.

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* Sadly the PlayedForLaughs angle this usually has in fiction is not always the case in real life. In most Western Democracies municipal government is constantly strapped for cash and either legally unable to raise taxes or raising taxes would be political suicide. What they ''can'' do is raise municipal fees and penalties for their violation. And most fines that don't exceed the "parking ticket" level are not set in relation to the income or net worth of the offender even in countries where criminal sentences usually are. Thus there are people who just shrug off the 300 fine for going 20 km/h over the speed limit and there are people to whom a parking ticket can literally mean bankruptcy. While most of those people would really just want to pay the fine and get it over with, they just ''can't''. It's not always possible to pay it back in multiple installments and failure to pay often incurs more fines, creating a vicious cycle that might [[DisproportionateRetribution end people up in prison]]. ''Series/LastWeekTonightWithJohnOliver'' did [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto a video]] on this as it applies in the US, US (plus the [[EvilDebtCollectors private probation companies]] they use), but the US are far from the only country where things like that happen.
6th Aug '17 12:39:29 PM faunas
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->''I am not, technically, a lawyer, but I did watch numerous episodes of 'Franchise/PerryMason', and on one occasion, when I got a traffic ticket, I represented myself in court, successfully pleading nolo contendere (Latin, meaning "Can I pay by check?").''

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->''I am not, technically, a lawyer, but I did watch numerous episodes of 'Franchise/PerryMason', and on one occasion, when I got a traffic ticket, [[AFoolForAClient I represented myself in court, court]], successfully pleading nolo contendere (Latin, meaning "Can I pay by check?").''



* Sadly the PlayedForLaughs angle this usually has in fiction is not always the case in real life. In most Western Democracies municipal government is constantly strapped for cash and either legally unable to raise taxes or raising taxes would be political suicide. What they ''can'' do is raise municipal fees and penalties for their violation. And most fines that don't exceed the "parking ticket" level are not set in relation to the income or net worth of the offender even in countries where criminal sentences usually are. Thus there are people who just shrug off the 300 fine for going 20 km/h over the speed limit and there are people to whom a parking ticket can literally mean bankruptcy. While most of those people would really just want to pay the fine and get it over with, they just ''can't''. It's not always possible to pay it back in multiple installments and failure to pay often incurs more fines, creating a vicious cycle that might [[DisproportionateRetribution end people up in prison]]. LastWeekTonight did [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto a video]] on this as it applies in the US, but the US are far from the only country where things like that happen.

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* Sadly the PlayedForLaughs angle this usually has in fiction is not always the case in real life. In most Western Democracies municipal government is constantly strapped for cash and either legally unable to raise taxes or raising taxes would be political suicide. What they ''can'' do is raise municipal fees and penalties for their violation. And most fines that don't exceed the "parking ticket" level are not set in relation to the income or net worth of the offender even in countries where criminal sentences usually are. Thus there are people who just shrug off the 300 fine for going 20 km/h over the speed limit and there are people to whom a parking ticket can literally mean bankruptcy. While most of those people would really just want to pay the fine and get it over with, they just ''can't''. It's not always possible to pay it back in multiple installments and failure to pay often incurs more fines, creating a vicious cycle that might [[DisproportionateRetribution end people up in prison]]. LastWeekTonight ''Series/LastWeekTonightWithJohnOliver'' did [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto a video]] on this as it applies in the US, but the US are far from the only country where things like that happen.
16th Feb '17 1:52:35 PM marcoasalazarm
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* One episode of ''Series/PersonOfInterest'' featured a guy who once wrote a 78-page legal brief to get out of paying a ticket (the problem being that he's currently a target for assassination by the CIA because he knows about (very little) The Machine, this detail is brought up by Finch as proof that the man is a {{Determinator}}). In another episode, Reese gets ticketed for illegal parking. He makes a token effort to try to get the officer to let him off with a warning, and when it fails, he pays it out of [[ArbitrarilyLargeBankAccount Harold's petty cash]]. The bigger problem was that as the [[BadassInANiceSuit man in a suit]], [[FishOutOfWater he stuck out quite significantly in the suburbs.]]

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* One episode of ''Series/PersonOfInterest'' featured a guy who once wrote a 78-page legal brief to get out of paying a ticket (the problem being that he's currently a target for assassination by the CIA because he knows about (very little) about The Machine, this detail is brought up by Finch as proof that the man is a {{Determinator}}). In another episode, Reese gets ticketed for illegal parking. He makes a token effort to try to get the officer to let him off with a warning, and when it fails, he pays it out of [[ArbitrarilyLargeBankAccount Harold's petty cash]]. The bigger problem was that as the [[BadassInANiceSuit man in a suit]], [[FishOutOfWater he stuck out quite significantly in the suburbs.]]
16th Feb '17 10:10:57 AM marcoasalazarm
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* One episode of ''Series/PersonOfInterest'' featured a guy who once wrote a 78-page legal brief to get out of paying a ticket. In another episode, Reese gets ticketed for illegal parking. He makes a token effort to try to get the officer to let him off with a warning, and when it fails, he pays it out of [[ArbitrarilyLargeBankAccount Harold's petty cash]]. The bigger problem was that as the [[BadassInANiceSuit man in a suit]], [[FishOutOfWater he stuck out quite significantly in the suburbs.]]

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* One episode of ''Series/PersonOfInterest'' featured a guy who once wrote a 78-page legal brief to get out of paying a ticket.ticket (the problem being that he's currently a target for assassination by the CIA because he knows about (very little) The Machine, this detail is brought up by Finch as proof that the man is a {{Determinator}}). In another episode, Reese gets ticketed for illegal parking. He makes a token effort to try to get the officer to let him off with a warning, and when it fails, he pays it out of [[ArbitrarilyLargeBankAccount Harold's petty cash]]. The bigger problem was that as the [[BadassInANiceSuit man in a suit]], [[FishOutOfWater he stuck out quite significantly in the suburbs.]]
11th Sep '16 6:14:55 PM Jhonny
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* Sadly the PlayedForLaughths angle this usually has in fiction is not always the case in real life. In most Western Democracies municipal government is constantly strapped for cash and either legally unable to raise taxes or raising taxes would be political suicide. What they ''can'' do is raise municipal fees and penalties for their violation. And most fines that don't exceed the "parking ticket" level are not set in relation to the income or net worth of the offender even in countries where criminal sentences usually are. Thus there are people who just shrug off the 300 fine for going 20 km/h over the speed limit and there are people to whom a parking ticket can literally mean bankruptcy. While most of those people would really just want to pay the fine and get it over with, they just ''can't''. It's not always possible to pay it back in multiple installments and failure to pay often incurs more fines, creating a vicious cycle that might [[DisproportionateRetribution end people up in prison]]. LastWeekTonight did [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto a video]] on this as it applies in the US, but the US are far from the only country where things like that happen.

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* Sadly the PlayedForLaughths PlayedForLaughs angle this usually has in fiction is not always the case in real life. In most Western Democracies municipal government is constantly strapped for cash and either legally unable to raise taxes or raising taxes would be political suicide. What they ''can'' do is raise municipal fees and penalties for their violation. And most fines that don't exceed the "parking ticket" level are not set in relation to the income or net worth of the offender even in countries where criminal sentences usually are. Thus there are people who just shrug off the 300 fine for going 20 km/h over the speed limit and there are people to whom a parking ticket can literally mean bankruptcy. While most of those people would really just want to pay the fine and get it over with, they just ''can't''. It's not always possible to pay it back in multiple installments and failure to pay often incurs more fines, creating a vicious cycle that might [[DisproportionateRetribution end people up in prison]]. LastWeekTonight did [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto a video]] on this as it applies in the US, but the US are far from the only country where things like that happen.
11th Sep '16 6:14:08 PM Jhonny
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* Sadly the PlayedForLaughths angle this usually has in fiction is not always the case in real life. In most Western Democracies municipal government is constantly strapped for cash and either legally unable to raise taxes or raising taxes would be political suicide. What they ''can'' do is raise municipal fees and penalties for their violation. And most fines that don't exceed the "parking ticket" level are not set in relation to the income or net worth of the offender even in countries where criminal sentences usually are. Thus there are people who just shrug off the 300 fine for going 20 km/h over the speed limit and there are people to whom a parking ticket can literally mean bankruptcy. While most of those people would really just want to pay the fine and get it over with, they just ''can't''. It's not always possible to pay it back in multiple installments and failure to pay often incurs more fines, creating a vicious cycle that might [[DisproportionateRetribution end people up in prison]]. LastWeekTonight did [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UjpmT5noto a video]] on this as it applies in the US, but the US are far from the only country where things like that happen.
4th Aug '16 6:47:43 PM MsChibi
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A good bet in a SitCom is that when a character gets ticketed by a cop for a traffic violation, he won't shrug, say "Ah well," and pay the fine. He will decide to take it to traffic court, fight in the name of the little guy, and do his best Franchise/PerryMason[=/=][[Comicbook/{{Daredevil}} Matt Murdock]][=/=][[Franchise/AceAttorney Phoenix Wright]] impersonation. He'll spend more money fighting the ticket than just paying it off and going about his business.

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A good bet in a SitCom is that when a character gets ticketed by a cop for a relatively minor traffic violation, he won't shrug, say "Ah well," and pay the fine. He will decide to take it to traffic court, fight in the name of the little guy, and do his best Franchise/PerryMason[=/=][[Comicbook/{{Daredevil}} Matt Murdock]][=/=][[Franchise/AceAttorney Phoenix Wright]] impersonation. He'll spend more money fighting the ticket than just paying it off and going about his business.
23rd Jun '16 8:36:37 PM marcoasalazarm
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* In one episode of ''Series/MalcolmInTheMiddle'', Lois fights a traffic conviction in the face of clear video evidence against her, because she refuses to admit that she could be in the wrong. [[spoiler:When she finally accepts the verdict, Hal and the boys find a tape shot from another angle that exonerates her, but destroy it since they're tired of her always being right.]]

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* In one episode of ''Series/MalcolmInTheMiddle'', Lois fights a traffic conviction in the face of clear video evidence against her, because she refuses to admit that she could be in the wrong. [[spoiler:When she finally accepts the verdict, Hal and the boys find a tape shot from another angle that exonerates her, but destroy it (and strong-arm the security guard that showed it to them into staying silent) since they're tired of her always being right.]]
22nd Nov '15 7:01:30 AM Nohbody
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->''I am not, technically, a lawyer, but I did watch numerous episodes of 'Franchise/PerryMason', and on one occasion, when I got a traffic ticket, I [[AFoolForAClient represented myself in court]], successfully pleading nolo contendere (Latin, meaning "Can I pay by check?").''
-->-- '''DaveBarry''', "Courtroom Confessions"

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->''I am not, technically, a lawyer, but I did watch numerous episodes of 'Franchise/PerryMason', and on one occasion, when I got a traffic ticket, I [[AFoolForAClient represented myself in court]], court, successfully pleading nolo contendere (Latin, meaning "Can I pay by check?").''
-->-- '''DaveBarry''', '''Creator/DaveBarry''', "Courtroom Confessions"



* In the film ''[[{{Film/Tron}} Tron]]'', it's implied that Kevin Flynn has a few [[{{NoodleIncident}} unpaid parking tickets]] when he is arrested after being zapped into the computer world; he thinks they are arresting him for not paying his fines.

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* In the film ''[[{{Film/Tron}} Tron]]'', ''{{Film/Tron}}'', it's implied that Kevin Flynn has a few [[{{NoodleIncident}} unpaid parking tickets]] when he is arrested after being zapped into the computer world; he thinks they are arresting him for not paying his fines.



* Subverted in the ''Series/SmallWonder'' episode "Vicki for the Defense": Ted parks illegally in hope of teaching Jamie a lesson about not perverting justice, and doesn't resist arrest.
** Unfortunately, he has a [[SpringtimeForHitler little trouble actually getting a ticket.]]

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* Subverted in the ''Series/SmallWonder'' episode "Vicki for the Defense": Ted parks illegally in hope of teaching Jamie a lesson about not perverting justice, and doesn't resist arrest.
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arrest. Unfortunately, he has a [[SpringtimeForHitler little trouble actually getting a ticket.]]



** Not only that, but [[spoiler:they threaten the man who showed it to them to never mention it. Dewey saying in a low voice, "No one," acts as the stinger to the episode.]]



* In an early episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', Homer is pulled over as he's speeding to get back home to Marge (after believing he only has a matter of hours to live.) He insists that the cops just give him a ticket so he can get going, but the cops decide that they don't ''want'' to give him a ticket and throw him into a jail cell instead. In another episode, Homer responds to Chief Wiggum's sarcastic question, "Where's the fire?" by pointing to a massive conflagration in a nearby police station. In addition to the speeding ticket, Homer ''also'' gets a fine for "pointing out police stupidity".
** In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E1TheCityOfNewYorkVsHomerSimpson The City Of New York VS Homer Simpson]]", Barney is appointed the designated driver, but "forgets" to return Homer's car, which he then drives to Manhattan and abandons at the World Trade Centre. Homer has to travel to New York to retrieve his car, which is covered in tickets and booted.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''
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In an early episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', episode, Homer is pulled over as he's speeding to get back home to Marge (after believing he only has a matter of hours to live.) He insists that the cops just give him a ticket so he can get going, but the cops decide that they don't ''want'' to give him a ticket and throw him into a jail cell instead. In another episode, Homer responds to Chief Wiggum's sarcastic question, "Where's the fire?" by pointing to a massive conflagration in a nearby police station. In addition to the speeding ticket, Homer ''also'' gets a fine for "pointing out police stupidity".
** In "[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS9E1TheCityOfNewYorkVsHomerSimpson The City Of New York VS Homer Simpson]]", Barney is appointed the designated driver, but "forgets" to return Homer's car, which he then drives to Manhattan and abandons at the World Trade Centre.Center. Homer has to travel to New York to retrieve his car, which is covered in tickets and booted.
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